American people. Breaking economic news. The September Jobs report was coming in much higher. Than what congress had expected. Jd vance put a smoother sheen on trumpism. He blamed Donald Trump who has been the Vice President for the last threeandahalf years . If anybody took High School civics class, they would know what the Vice President can do and what the Vice President cant do. Did he lose the 2020 election . Im focused on the future. Thats a damning nonanswer. Explosive filing from Special Council jack smith. They rigged the election. I didnt rig the election. Donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. There is a place for you. Withs and in this campaign. I am proudly casting my vote for Vice PresidentKamala Harris. I look forward to casting my ballot for her. Come november 5th, ill be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. Good evening once again. Im Stephanie Ruhle and we are now just 32 days away from the election. And get your cards out because a lot is happening this week. We have what is likely the final debate as vp candidates Tim Walz and Jd Vance faced off. Kamala harris shared the stage with Liz Cheney. And new revelations about trumps efforts to overturn the 2020 election. The middle east, a Threeday Dock Worker strike. And the aftermath of Hurricane Helene could weigh on the outcome of the election. Im sure im about to say something corny. Because the campaigns i knew it, are going into overdrive. We have a lot to do it so lets bring in the Night Cap. They are awesome. Ron is absolutely fantastic. And ceo. Tell me everything on sirius xm. And Steve Modo is here for the first time. Former Executive Excuser of the daley show. Ceo. All right lets start with the debate, gang. It was the cleanest, shiniest, Brand NewJd Vance who did a better Job Peddling dangerous elements of trumpism than Donald Trump and Ron Desantis ever has. Is that the Jd Vance we are likely to get the next 30 days because its the opposite of the man on the Campaign Trail. I imagine it is. He was well spoken and articulate and lied through the entire debate. Dodged questions about the 2020 election. They used to call bill Clinton Slick willy. He got a way with a lot. Because Tim Walz didnt Fact Check him and do his job as the debate opponent. It would have otherwise gone differently had we seen him correct it from time to time. What does this say about your policies when you have to lie about what you actually want to do . It says that you know better. And dont care. One of the most amazing things, he wants to regain the american Peoples Trust on the abortion issue. What are you talking about regain trust . Hour, just a few hours before the debate. Donald trump had a rally. He had a complete Word Salad News cons friends. People lose their mind they didnt have enough detail. He didnt bust out a coherent sentence. Can we just talk about the double standard . It is not the first time. It is why some democrats are really frustrated about the double standard for joe biden. You know . Remember him . And so, the double standard is amazing and shocking. People are much more concerned about their underlying relief and the facts. As long as we are not grading somebody on honesty and character, Jd Vance did just great and Tim Walz failed miserablely about correcting him. His lies about how there is a rule you are not supposed to Fact Check. Tim walz failed. He failed to correct these lies so clearly, Jd Vance is the winner. I agree with ron. The senators Human Suit was fitting much better the other night. But he is still a petulant dishonest Eye Liner Model who will go down in the books in this campaign where trump started his career with a racist lie, maybe it is ending with legal haitian migrants. Jd vance is all of the kids. That is a absolute lie. Not one single cosmetic company and said they represent him. Well, but again, he will wait a few years before becoming a lobbyist. We were talking about Tim Walz. Havent seen him in a while. Yeah. Now or never . There is a month left. No. She has the historic benefit of running the shortest president ial campaign in history. And the last thing you want to do is put so much stuff out there you get destroyed in the home stretch. If i were her political adviser, i would be playing it just as safe. I would be in local spots. I would be traveling like crazy. I just want to say it plain. Black asian woman with a jewish husband got to play It Safe yall. Where we are debating where haitians eat dogs and cats of our neighbors. This is not, the first woman to actually be in this Position Meaning in this position. Question have 70 Million americans who dont care that Donald Trump incited a coup. There are different ways of playing It Safe. That person has to take it easy in some respects but there are bigger louder things they could be doing. The tariffs issue. I have not heard nearly as much about that as i would like to. It is terrible policy. Not just bad for consumers. It is terrible for business. Exports too. One of the main three things i hear from her over and over again. I guess the question is, look, we are talking about a race with a lot of people who made up their minds on one side or the other. And the question really becomes are you becoming those undecided. It is a narrow margin race. Im going to tell you having run. The things that we think motivate people to fill in that little Bubble And Slide that is often not the thing that motivates them. If you have to connect really directly. The fact that the economy is as strong as it is, and for the last four years, this White House has really not done a great job singing it from the rafters. You do not want to run a Victory Lap when so many people are suffering. I get that. And i said this before. Democrats are guilty of saying they are unwilling to sing happy birthday until every single child in america has a cup cake. And if you do not start singing there will be no cake. With all respect to maya. I live in the world where she is my mayor. I dont think the democrats are going for the undecideds anymore. After nine years, anyone who cant decide, i dont need to know what they think. They are going for the people who are decided but dont feel like voting. They are going for people who will vote to get them off the couch. Do it with bold policy. Tell us what you know. There are two kinds of undecided. As you say, there are people deciding who to vote for and people deciding whether to vote. Exactly. And if they do, they know it will go one way or the other. I think you have to take different approaches with each of them. You have to motivate your own side. And i think they are focusing more han that than focusing on changing anybodys mind. They have the momentum now as of this morning. The Jobs Number of was unequivocally strong wages are growing faster than inflation now. And have been for 18 months. You see it in peoples purchasing power. Over 160 trillion. The dow hit an all time high today. They are the worst communists i have ever seen. I agree with you on every single point. And i talked about this on morning joe. This is where i wish they would just connect the dots. Everything is right. But things still cost a lot of money when you go to a restaurant and that is not going to change. What i would like is democrats can start saying out loud, in a care economy, we are trying to pay people more. Right . We are low wage workers getting 20 an hour. They are getting benefits. Yes. In some instances there is Price Gouging and corporate greed. When we raise wages that means things will cost more. You have the same people saying i didnt believe that cost 26. I dont want to dominate. Dont worry. No chance of that. In california where they raised the Minimum Wage for fast food workers, 15 an hour, 20 an hour. There are now more fast food Workers Today than prior to the Wage Hike and mcdonalds is telling Combo Meals for 50 so it is not a universal truth every time you raise Wages Prices go up. That was true in the 70s. But how often are we just in our daily lives people are going out for a burger and a beer and going oh my gosh, i cant believe it Cost X now. And that ends up dominating the conversation. The prices are still high. The democrats have an opening to come say this is about corporate greed. We are also a country of small businesses and we have to be aware when we talk business, business also affects the little guy. Regulations are really difficult. We have to find a way to see all of them. Latest census data. Start up companies have created 7. 4 million jobs. I agree with every Data Point you have. You know who doesnt . The vibe in the economy and how people feel. So we have to start thinking about what is it that are making people feel this way. This is what obama faced in 2012, a recovery on paper people were not feeling. He was lucky to have this Aristocrat Romney to draw the visual contrast for the voters to see, you are running against a millionaire at birth who cut his own taxes and has a golden toilet. And Kamala Harris is the american success story. That is the narrative they need to be keeping. And people are not feeling as bad as they were a few months ago. They are starting to add up into a feeling that is going to help. They are responding to that when they hear about it. I dont know that we are completely disagreeing. We can try harder. I think what i mean is of course they have to do a great job of singing their own prizes about their success story. Of course. The thing that i find so frustrating about this kind of debate. About how bold they are being or not is it doesnt matter what she does. She gets criticized. That was my point about being a Black Asian woman married to a jewish guy. I also agree with we are, yes, you have to get the base. There are a lot of things to get the base. And she has the base. The energy is real. But it goes back to one of the things i think she is doing so well. She is talking about the future and when she is talking about the future, she is talking about small businesses. Hide care. And the cost of housing. The boldst comes in what am i going to fight for. That is what turns on voters. When you think about the three buckets she could go after, we saw her on the stage with Liz Cheney, next week, we have Cassidy Hutchinson and other former trump aides. Who did they pull from . When Liz Cheney coheadlines an event with Kamala Harris, i want to know who is on her Guest List . Two things. There is a small number of potential voters that. Basically people like Liz Cheney. Former republicans sick of it and looking for validation for those feelings and she is a terrific example of that. That Kamala Harris is bringing people together and Donald Trump is not. He is getting liberals like Tulsi Gabbard and rfk. She got taylor swift. Thats a big deal for a certain slice of the electorate. Young females. She need to go after young men in a way that it is just not resonating. I agree with you. Its amazing the success Donald Trump has had with young white. We watch this interview a few weeks ago. Black males two by The Way. It is successful how he is peeling them off. Part of it is that group of people dont feel like democrats are speaking to them. Yes. That is a problem. But how is Donald Trump speaking to them . He is selling racism. Peddling xenophobia. If he had policies that helped nonmillionaires they wouldnt shut up about them. It is saying something to them. And i dont think it is just the very nothingtive things. Lord of the Dude Bros. Everyone is trying to be joe rogan. That is something they are responding to. It is not something the democrats are offering. They are not talking to young men. Their response is much more spark than i would have expected but not entirely surprising. And,. Hold on, im with steve here. Just by us Min Mining them doesnt mean their votes dont count. I believe. Im the parent of one. So i believe that they feel like in a universe where inclusivity is so important, which it is. They are not only not seen, but they are attacked and i know that is not The Way democrats feel. But this is an opportunity to go speak to them and say i know you care about the economy and reproductive rights. Yes, but we need democrats to start to do that. They are the Party Fighting for these young men. Because young men care about roe v. Wade and Student Loan Debt forgiveness. They have a lot to offer and they are not making the case. Then why is it not working at all . Exactly right. They do feel put upon by The Rapid Social Changes that are taking place. And the fear of being canceled or having a particular Point Of View that is maybe more traditional than we would expect from 20yearold white boys. I wouldnt call it a 1950s style feel what they are going to, but there are challenges. And they do feel to a certain extent as if they are targeted. I talk to a group of kids from records this week. And they said that students dont feel like they can express views. Immediately people will say you are xenophobic, you are the worst. And you are toxic. And again, im not saying these boys are the greatest but im saying she wants every vote that counts and there is a way to think of every demographic out there and say how do we bring them in . So heres the problem. I agree. Everybody. True democracy means we are having the debates we need to have. We are understanding the experiences of all of our people. And everyone vying for Anybodys Vote is able to figure out how to talk to all of those demographics and that includes young men who are white. And black. And everything. My point is here i think we have to acknowledge that there is something going on in this culture that is deeply unhealthy and dangerous. And unless, it is very difficult to put it all simply on a politician running for office of what some of this undercurrent is. The reality of Rape Culture is quite real. Now when i say Rape Culture, i dont mean every young man is raping somebody. But the reality of Sexual Violence and other forms of violence are quite real. The reality of whats happening with the attacks on having programs that say we have to find a way to understander the experiences of others is quite real. The only reason im having trouble with this conversation. Its not the premise we should be vilifying. It is that it is also fundamentally a problem in our democracy that we are this deeply divided and that the solless that some seek is in the permission to be something other than accepting of the hard conversations on all sides. But in particular, what does it mean to say that Kamala Harris who has in my calculation worked so hard to be a unifying candidate, is falling short. Nobody is going anywhere. When we return, President Obama is back out on the Campaign Trail. And so are republican women who once worked for trump. And later how ideas can take off like wild fire. My conversation with Malcolm Bradwell when our Night Cap continues. T cap continues. If youre living with hiv, imagine being good to go without Daily Hiv pills. Good to go off the grid. Good to go nonstop. With cabenuva, theres no pausing for Daily Hiv pills. For adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, longacting Hiv Treatment you can get every other month. 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Listen, i think it makes a huge difference. Certainly for certain categories of voters and the energy level, on the encouragement to turn out level. And i think it is important to show again her big tents. I actually think it is Michelle Obama who will be the real ringer for her. Just as she was at the democratic national convention. Referee was true. In the coolest ways he knows it. A wise guy. He did a good job. She was the mic drop. Again, i think it is incredibly important for her that she keeps showing and demonstrating the breadth of the leadership and the Cross Section of support she gets. Heres the question. Another celebrity endorsement. So taylor swift, biggest celebrity on the planet endorses Kamala Harris. And in 124 hours, Donald Trump says i hate taylor swift. But for the most part, there is a good chance we are voting for Kamala Harris. Bruce springstein who is not red, he is not blue. He is red white and blue. Donald Trump Hasnt said a word about bruce springstein. What do you make of that. I think Donald Trump is a pretty Way Lee Character when it comes to celebrities. He is an old white guy, an old white audience. Just going to shut up about it. Amazing. Amazeing. Says nothing about the white celebrity. Donald trump has always been apoplectic with women. Always. A little bit sexist. Two things he is afraid of are a strong woman and a strong wind. I will pay money for that. I think Mark Cuban has been one of the most impactful surrogates out there. We were talking about young white men. They say i just want Deregulation And Tax cuts. He is talking tariffs. Economic tolseys. How trumps policies, staff riffs across the board. They would be recession their. And cuban has been making that argument everywhere you go. He has done it better than anyone else so far. We are talking all about Kamala Harris needs to reach all these different groups. She is going on 60 minutes this week. Donald trump is not. He pulled out of a 60minutes Interview because of Fact Checking. That tells you he is going to spend the next 30 days days not standing side by side with Nikki Haley. Donald trump avoids any media where he might be asked a followup question. He will not do it. Because he cannot stand up to scrutiny. He has never been asked an adequate followup. His fans still believe Obama Wasnt born here. Im not saying he doesnt repeat the lie over and over but he has gotten pushbacks. He lies and lies but he has done it. Last time i interviewed october of 2005. He hung up on me because my questions were too negative. It was wise to have Liz Cheney there. Because we saw Nikki Haley get up to onethird of the conservative republican vote in cities in the republican primaries. That is why we saw Liz Cheney on that stage this week. I have waited 20 years to see the gop punish Dick Cheney for telling lies. They punish Liz Cheney for telling the truth. But she is creating a Permission Structure for older republicans who dont feel good about this racist Clown Voting for a democrat. She will go on 60 minutes and it will go fine. If it goes better than fine, he will go out the next day and do something crazy and say something awful and steal all the headlines because the think he knows best is gobble up the attention and take eyes off of her. That is exactly what he did. What her campaign says is the more people who see her, the more they like it. He will just make it so people dont see her and pays to price for doing the crazy stuff. He is a tennis ball machine. And volleys the yellow balls. By the time they catch one, seven more balls have been launched out. All right,. You could beat him in a debate. I could. When we come back, what it takes for a single idea to go viral. My conversation with Malcolm Bradwell about his new book. And the Night Cap crew with their mvps of the week when the 11th Hour and Night Cap continues. 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Malcolm, this is such an honor for me. It is almost 25 years ago the world met you with tipping point. What made you decide to go back now . I dont want to say what was the tipping point. But what made you say yep, its time . Originally i was going to a revised silver anniversary of the tipping point. I hadnt looked at it in this entire time. It was like looking at your High School yearbook. It was like wow, that was a long time ago. I didnt want to revise it. Too much had happened. I would argue with myself about what i wrote 25 years ago so i thought i would write a whole new one. I just went in and wrote the book from scratch. I realized looking back at the First Book, the First Book was very hopeful. It was all about, it was written in My Mid 30s in the late 90s when the world just seemed like it was getting better and better and this is a book about how to make it better and now i feel like im a little more concerned about The Ways in which people have used epidemics for nefarious purposes. You where about this fear of bad actors taking over. A lot of people have those fears now. It is sort of framed by the Opioid Crisis and about a news story, a new way of making sense of it. Basically, it is about how the reason they were able to turn oxycontin into this extraordinary crisis is they took the lessons of Epidemic Change to heart. They didnt try to reach every doctor in the country. Epidemics work, it is always a very small number of people who are at the center of an epidemic. And they were able to identify a tiny handful of doctors susceptible to their Marketing Message who loved to be wined and dined by a sales rep. No problem with Writing Prescriptions by the thousands. That was the strategy. Find the one that matter and convince them to write mountains of prescriptions. When you think about bad actors taking over, is you said you are going to support Kamala Harris. Could we tie those two things together . Theres a number of reasons. Im half jamaican. She is half jamaican. She grew up in canada. I grew up in canada. I talk to my mom, its like kamala, kamala, kamala, kamala. My dad taught his dad. Her dad. My father taught her dad in 1960. I have so many points of connection. I would be a supporter even if i wasnt half jamaican. Among many provocative arguments, you criticize not just higher education but the ivy league. You are not alone in doing so. Your dad, i will ask you if you really dont want your doctors to go to princeton. That will be in two more years so explain to us why you feel this way. I was trying to make sense of this strange fact that Harvard University has more Varsity Sports than any other university in the country. They have more money. It is not about money. It is not about money. They are also obsessed with sports in this really bizarre way. There are, the front door is really difficult. Is most competitive school in the world. There is a Back Door if you are rich, if there is legacy, if you are a Faculty Kid and athlete. No more affirmative action, but if you are a Superstar Lacrosse Player come on in. They will lower their standards. They will recruit you from the other side of the world. Why do they care so much about filling their campus with athletes to the point where they take their own high standards and take them down to the Floor And Welcome in kids who row or fence or play rugby . I think it is about, it is a kind of strategy to maintain the group proportions of harvard. They like kids who play rich people sports. Because it is a way of maintaining a kind of, the culture of american, why american privilege at harvard. Walk through the argument about why that is the case. I dont think there is any other reason why they should be so obsessed with sports. We think about the University Of Alabama as being sports obsessed. Harvard is way more. You get why alabama is. You understand the hundreds of millions of dollars that Alabama Football brings in. But Harvard Rowing not so much. Thats not the game they are playing. Thats tied to an idea i play a with. That there are organizations. Institutions have Tipping Points when outsiders reach the magic third. They change the nature of the organization. And so, what i believe harvard is doing is trying to keep keep the nonprivileged elements of the school. You like to be provocative. Is it getting harder to be provocative at a time when we really like to put people in categories and if we say anything out of that, we are in a tizzy. And others who consider themselves provocateurs are really just flame throwers. I like to raise interesting and, interesting questions that prompt people to look at the world around them a little differently. Im not throwing bombs. But im trying to get people to say, to look from a different perspective. I have a chapter on a town called popular growth. It is the perfect suburb and their High School has had this ongoing crisis for the last 10, 15 years. And that story, it is a heartbreaking story, the moral of the story is sometimes the very things we do to ensure the best possible outcome for our kids are hurting our kids. Is that a provocative statement . I guess so. But it is making us think why are we doing the things we are doing . For the benefit of our children or because we as parents feel better when we create these hot House Environmenting for our kids . Nobody is going anywhere. Our Night Cap is back with their mvps of the week when the 11th Hour returns. 1th Hou by checking allstate first. 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A huge win for all of those worker and also, we got to meet harold daggett, the president of the union who is quite a character. I have not heard that good a New York accent. Melonia trump. Why . Because she tried to charge cnn, 250 grand to do an interview with her . And she plainly spoke about a womans right to choose. Now listen. I dont know. Do you actually buy this . She says she believes in a womans right to choose. Do you believe that is part of it . Or is it just to confuse people more . It was a maneuver that either she is saying something to upset the Apple Card and get even with him or confuse the situation. And there is a certain degree of i think it is interesting to me that she did it. I dont buy it for a moment. But i think it is a bit of a Show Stopper in a certain sense that the former president s wife did something that is antithetical to his Running Mate and muddying the waters when it comes to the republican position. A little late. Theres a lot of women out there who disagree with her husband about reproductive rights. And then secretly go and vote for democrats. Can you imagine . Thank you for supporting my position. Im not supporting rons position. But for me, it is Kate Barr who is running for State Senate in North Carolina on the I Cant Win slogan. I love this woman. So this is everything Jd Vance hate ins a woman. Advanced degrees, really smart. An entrepreneur. Does she have a cat . I have no idea. She has young kids and works. And she is running because her district is one of the most deeply gerrymandered in the country. And so she is running to say that someone can be on the ticket. We can raise some money, we can raise some hell and show how gerrymandering is working and everybody deserves a choice and i love it and she has a sweatshirt that says loser on it. Thats amazing. I choose melania trumps ghost writer. When i was very small, my dad pulled me out of bed and dragged me to the news to watch late news. Because they were reshowing jimmy carter. He couldnt believe that an American Christian brought peace to a corner of the middle east. To him that was everything that christianity could and should be. President carter won the Nobel Prize and created more jobs than reagan, trump, and Bush Combined and he is a model for the christians who read the word of jesus instead of waving him around like a prop. And he is a kind and nice man. Living for the service. When we come back, its time for my mvp. For my mvp. Look after you two. Yep, with flexible payment options. Ok, but why is shaq coming too . To show you how its done. For a great low rate, go with the general. Sleep more deeply and wake up rejuvenated. Purple mattresses exclusive Gel Flex Grid draws away heat, for a great low rate, relieves pressure, and instantly adapts. Sleep better. Live purple. Right now buy more, save more. Up to 600 off. Visit purple. Com or a store near you all right, my mvp of the week is someone you dont know but should. The Editor And Chief of the wacauga democrats. Moss brennan, a teeny tiny newspaper in New York. He began covering Hurricane Helene as a reporter but he realized this storm was so much worse than anyone in that region anticipated so this guy jumped into action. Performing Life Saving Swift water rescues getting his neighbors to safety. Then, he put his Reporter Hat back on and got information, Life Saving Information to the community. This guy drove around town in places that the Post OfficeStill Cannot get to. And he hand delivered the paper. On this show we talk about it all the time. The power and importance of local journalism. Well the watauga democrat, moss brennan, it is why local news matters. I dont care where you live. Get a subscription. Thank you all so much for being here, your first time. Did you like it . It was great. Fantastic. Come back soon. On that note, i wish you a great night. Remember you can catch the Night Cap not just tonight but saturdays at 11 00 p. M. Eastern on msnbc. Before that, you can see the new Documentary Series my generation. Its this saturday at 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Tomorrow night, order in and watch tv all night. But for now, im signing off. For all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. Ill see you at The End of monday. Thank you very much, really. And thank you. A very big thank you to pennsylvania. We