Fantastic on that note, i wish you a great night. Remember, you can catch the Night Cap not just tonight but every night at 11 00 and you can see the Documentary Series my generation. Saturday, 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Tomorrow night, order in and watch tv all night. But for now, im signing off. For all of our colleagues on the networks of Nbc News, thanks for staying up late. See you at The End of monday. In august of 2020, Donald Trump was campaigning for reelection amid a series of ongoing crises. We were in the throws of the covid19 pandemic. The Summer Saw A Wave of protests and uprisings over the murder of george floyd. And, to top it all off, the state of california was experiencing its largest wild Fire Season in recorded history. And it was that last crisis that prompted Donald Trump to say this during a Campaign Rally in pennsylvania. And i see again the Forest Fires are starting. They are starting again in california. You got to clean your forests. They have many, many years of leaves and broken trees. And they are like, like so flammable. You touch them and it goes up. I have been telling them this now for three years. But they dont want to listen. The environment. But there are massive fires again in california. Maybe we are just going to have to make them pay for it. Maybe we are just going to have to make them pay for it. Trump bizarrely and falsely claimed Wild Fires were the cause of officials not cleaning the floors of the forest. And then threatened to make california pay for its own Disaster Relief. For the record, his claim has been thoroughly debunked. The state of california owns only 3 of its forest. The rest are owned by private groups or the federal government and they take regular steps to mitigate the debris in the forest. I dont know if that includes cleaning the floors, whatever that means but that didnt stop him from repeating the claim over and again. He tweeted i told Gavin Newsom from the first day we met he must clean his Forest Floors and then he come to the federal government for financial help. No more. Before that, it was the same thing. Almost like a california Wild Fire tradition. That year, trump tweeted billions of dollars are given each year with so many lives lost. All because of Cross Mismanagement of the forest. Remedy now or no more fed payment. That is how Donald Trump acted as president. During moments of national disasters. He blamed the libs and threatened withhold aid. He is still doing it. He threatened to withhold future Fire Aid if Governor Newsom didnt agree to change the States Water Usage rule. And Gavin Newsom is going to sign those papers and if he doesnt sign those papers we wont give him money to put out all his fires and if we dont give him money to put out the fires, hes got problems. Hes a lousy governor. That through the is not just bluster. He has tried to do this before. A Bomb Shell new report revealed that in 2018, President Trump actually did try to withhold Disaster Aid from california just because it was a Blue State to punish The Americans who didnt vote for trump. Mark harvey told the news he was only able to get trump to approve Disaster Relief for california by pulling up Voting Results from Conservative Leaning orange county. To show President Trump that his own supporters had been heavily affected by the fire. Harvey told the outlet we went as far as looking up how many Votes Trump got in those impacted areas to show him these are the people who voted for you. They also found as president , Donald TrumpDirected Fema to cover 100 of the costs in disasters like the Florida Panhandle while objecting to and slow Walking Aid for blue territories like Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands after hurricane maria. So he did manage to throw the people of Puerto Rico a few paper towels. Joe biden wrote on x you only help those in need if they voted for you. Its the most basic part of being president and this guy knows nothing about it. Right now, the biden administration is in the middle of trying to deal with the latest natural disaster to hit this country. The full extent of the damage from Hurricane Helene has yet to be realized. But right now, Nbc News reports 220 people have died as a result of that storm. And hundreds of people are likely still missing. Nearly 700,000 people are still dealing with Mayor Power outages. Loss of connectivity has made it difficult and impossible to reach people. Residents are dealing with a Health Risk posed by the lack of access to clean water and toxic contamination. Trump decided to use this disaster as fodder for his political campaign. At a rally last night, trump falsely claimed that Hurricane Victims are being denied Relief Money because the biden administration spent Fema Dollars on housing for migrants. Now, for the record, this is totally false. The White House has responded saying no Disaster Relief funding at as will used to all to fund housing. Trump himself diverted money from fema so the Border Control could use it for migrant detention. Trump it seemed to follow the bizarre rule that every accusation is a confession but that has not stopped the spread of misinformation among trump supporters especially online where he is aided by his Pal Elon Musk in a quest to propagate lies. Elon musk himself has been amplifying fake news. Things have gotten so out of hand here that fema has had to make its own Landing Page on the Fema Website dedicated to debunking these rumors about recovery efforts. In the meantime, trump traveled to Georgia Today for a Press Conference where he claimed without irony his focus is on people and not politics. Im not thinking about voters right now. Im thinking about lives. And, to be honest, it is much bigger than anything else. But we are thinking about lives. A lot of lives lost, a lot of people missing. Thats what i would be focused on now. Joining me now are michelle goldberg. George conway. Lawyer and contributor for the atlantic. Thank you guys both for being here. George, just for what does the clearly concessional nature of these accusations tell you about, i dont know, where his head is at right now . Well i mean, you are absolutely right. Its a form of projection. He attributes to others motives that he himself has. But it is more than that. I mean, the words that came to mind when i read about this Controversy Today is, Big Lie. It means Big Lie. It was a phrase coined by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf for a Propaganda Technique. Tell as Big A Lie as possible so people will believe the Big Lie. They believe bigger lies more than smaller lies. Because they think it is impossible for anyone to tell such an amazingly large lie. But Donald Trump does that as a matter of course. He is a pathological liar and a sociopath. This is par for the course for Donald Trump. Just as the lie about the supposedly stolen election in 2020. This is what he does. It is why he is a Cancer On American Public Life that must be removed once and for all. I will say. I wont speak german on this audience. I will save our audience from that. But the lies in particular are focused on people of color and migrants and the Pock Sisty has possibly ifive was even possible has increased in their sort of Poison Grade since the Springfield Debacle that the haitian immigrants were eating pets. This is what happened at a Trump Rally and this is evidence at how successful trump has been in poisoning his audience. Lets take a listen. This week, this week, we have learned that not only did 13,000 murders illegally cross our border, but fema is out of money because they have been providing 9,000 to every illegal. We must put americans first. How soon will you start supporting the deporting the murder ins. You are right about that. It is 13,099 to be exact. And, murders, many of these people murdered more than one person. One did seven. These are not people we want in our country. The Crime Statistics are a whole other kettle of fish. Some of that happened under the trump administration. The numbers have not been verified by Nbc News as far as i know. But to get to the point of this woman in the audience believes that fema gave 9,000 to migrants instead of spending it on Disaster Aid for georgia and north carolina. And this vicious demonization is the precondition for trumps Mass Deportation plan. When Jd Vance was asked what Mass Deportation looked like at the debate, he didnt want to give a straight answer. Because nobody wants to talk about what it would mean to have a network of Detention Camps dotted throughout this country. What it means to have the national guard going into neighborhoods and rounding people up. If you want to get The American people to consent to that and this does deserve probably some sort of german analogy. But you actually need to convince people they are not Human Beings like you and i. I just want to add on the Jd Vance answer, how are you going to deport . He outlined how One Million would leave because the Wages Wouldnt be what they wanted to be and the rest would self deport. There was no explanation of how that would work. George. I think even the attempt of the truth has become kind of a fulls errand. The year, 2024, Marjorie Taylor Greene, maybe one of the more rational actors in the republican conference in the house. Tweeted yes, they can control the weather. Its ridiculous for anyone to lie and say it cant be done. This is a member of congress. Part of the inner trump sanctum. The truth does not matter. They compete with Each Other to tell the biggest lies. They are all into that. And the phrase you are looking for. There is one. They are persuading The American public that people who come from other countries are beneath them. Beneath man. Beneath human. And this is the kind of poison that the republican party is spreading now. It is really, really sick. And it is difficult to chase it all down because they fell so many Big Lies quickly. I walked in and i saw a big headline in the new York Post about this big line. That the government had blown all of its money on migrants it is hard and difficult work and it gets in the way of people actually getting help. I will say it is laudable they have committed themselves to debunking the rumors, but about any number of right wing actors, you know. The unbridled Enthuse Yam for disinformation that is the internet. And i wonder if you have a thought about how Kamala Harris should be handling this. She came out with a statement. What is the Correcter Pushback on a topic where republicans have mud on their hands at best . They have consistently refused to fund fema. It is funded through the Stopgap Measures here. The irony is so thick you couldnt even slice it. I mean look. He has to go out and be on the ground and just talk about what the government is doing. And calling out Donald Trumps lies. Over and over again. But i dont think that is an antidote. A lot of times you can ignore that Elon Musk has spent this enormous fortune to buy himself a microphone for his own boundless narcissism you need reliable information. What they are doing is vicious and cruel to the people in those regions. Who need to know who they can trust. Some of the lies out there is that fema will confiscate your supply. It is instilling Fear And Par noah in people who are deeply paranoia in people who are already traumatized. There is going to be more and more climate related disasters, they can only explain that with recourse to ever escalating conspiracy theories. Yeah. That is such a good point. Red states tend to be on the forefront of climate change. They dont want to fund fema. The last Saving Grace for people in harms way. And they will lie about migrants who help propel The American economy in a fundamental way. George, do you have a thought . About what harris or democrats or anybody who still lives on earth one should be doing in a moment like this when the lies are so malicious . I think you have to point out and get people to understand the Propaganda Technique of the Big Lie being employed here. Because they are employing it all the time. Look at trumps. These lies are just as credible as the claim that the 80,000 Harris Supporters you saw populate her rallies after she became the presumptive nominee were all artificially created by ai. You know. There is no. He is just todaying out Big Lie after Big Lie after Big Lie and it cannot be understated. This man is a pathological liar. How much of a permission he has created for other republicans and supporters to pas on these lies. I think we have to nip it in the bud by pointing it out. And saying that you about to have a stable democracy under the rule of law, this has to be out of bounds. This is not shading about the margins about how great a particular Spending Program is. That it will create a lot of jobs and maybe you are exaggerating a little bit. This is just, these are flat out malicious and dangerous lies. They will harm people, harm our democracy. And it is a terrible thing to see in the united states of america in the 21st century. That we have a political party that subsists on this level of mendacity. Its a disgrace. No one can control the weather no matter what Marjorie Taylor Greene believes. Just putting it out there for the world. Good fact check. George, thank you both for your time. Coming up, the Trump Campaign is making a Big Bet On A NewfangledGround Game. Is it a smart strategy or a gigantic mistake . Well get into that next. Ke . Well get into that next. 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Well, Post Election Analysis pointed to what are referred to as low Propensity Voters. People who dont normally vote. Nowhere was the impact of these low Propensity Voters more noticeable than in florida. In 2020, trumps campaign carved up the Sunshine State into dozens of subgroups and picked out the communities where they believed targeted messaging could drive irregular voters and some traditional democrat to their side. They launched Outreach Programs targeting black men, jewish households and spanish speaking communities. Ultimately, trump won four in ten jewish votes in florida. The best performance by a republican in two decades. And he got a lot of surprising votes from areas with large cuban and Puerto Rican populations. In miamidade, he got 200,000 more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. Now. Four years later, trumps plan for this Years Election is to take that Florida Strategy and use it nationally bringing it to all of the Swing States across the country. But there is a big difference between what the Trump Campaign did in florida in 2020 and what it is doing nationally right now. Rather than the campaign itself doing this, the campaign is outsourcing that outreach to third parties like this. There is actually a website in the state of michigan where you can find people who would probably vote for the candidate you are voting for but dont vote. And you can look them up. The Voter Rolls are right there. You can go on there. And just contact people you know. That was Tucker Carlson telling people at his live show in michigan to go to this website. And to use it to find rightlinging contacts they know who dont typically vote. Low Propensity Voters and use the site to get them to vote. Now, this site does not appear to be affiliated in any official way with the Trump Campaign. It appears to just be the Side Project of a conservative guy in michigan. But that guys Side Project is what Tucker Carlson and the head of michigans republican party are directing their supporters to, that is fairly revealing. The Trump Campaign has seeded their work to superpacs like Charlie Kirks Turning Point action. And Elon Musks america pac. And so far, it seems like a risky strategy. There have been so many reports from republican operatives in Swing States saying they havent seen any Ground Game whatsoever that someone familiar with the work these groups are doing felt the need to say to politico, for those not seeing canvassers, the answer is no duh, were not running a traditional program. Is this really going to work . Ill get a view from the ground from ezra Coming Up next. From ezra Coming Up next. Sleep more deeply and wake up rejuvenated. Purple mattresses exclusive Gel Flex Grid draws away heat, relieves pressure, and instantly adapts. Sleep better. Live purple. Right now buy more, save more. Up to 600 off. Visit purple. 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The Harris Campaign is targeting low Propensity Voters as well, but it is also employing traditional Voter Outreach strategies, Opening Field Offices across Battleground States. Joining me now is ezra leven. The cofounder of a progressive group helping the Harris Campaign with the Get Out The Vote strategy. Thank you so much for joining me. The strategy you have seen on the left in terms of reaching low Propensity Voters, if you could talk to what you have seen and what you think of the strategy. Yeah. So i think reaching out can make a lot of sense for a campaign and then cans in which it makes sense for a campaign, is your side unified behind the candidate . Do you have your Base Support . Two, is there a lot of enthusiasm for your candidate . And three, do you have a really sophisticated Ground Game apparatus . Do you have a good system for reaching out to these voters . On the democratic side, we have that. Look, we are unified behind Kamala Harris. There is a huge amount of enthusiasm and we are running tested programming, tested tactics for reaching out to those voters. Trying to reach undecided voter. They can vote for trump or harris. The much, much, much larger population are the folks who would vote for harris if they turn out. But they night not turn out. The way we look at this is how can we get to these voters . How can we contact these folks . They are people that as much as we love you alex, they are not getting their news from cable. They are more likely to get their news from Tiktok Or Instagram or twitter. What we do, we mobilize neighbors to talk to their neighbors and then we target low Propensity Voters and get their neighbors to talk to them, not once or twice but four or five times to say we know you are not necessarily paying attention but the stakes are high and we know you dont want an Abortion Ban nationwide or project 2025. We know you dont want Tax Cuts for billionaires so come out to vote. That kind of strategy can make a lot of sense. I love they are turning their Couple Paining over to Charlie Kirk and Elon Musk. He has never knocked on a Voters Door in his life and Charlie Kirks claim to fame was running the program that lost statewide for blake masters. Our tested thing. Only, only because it is trump who seems to have this weird magnetic poll over the electorate do i consider this kind of Mystery Strategy because trump seems to operate independent of the weather and gravity. So i see what you are saying about their resources they are deploying. But i want to read a quote from a Trump Campaign insider who im obsessed with this approach. For those not seeing canvassers in traditional places, the answer is no duh. Is it possible this is some sort of campaign the likes of which we have never seen before that could go down to Trumps Benefit . Look, i understand that. And look, we should take nothing for granted. This is made up of folks who thought after 2016, what more could i do . Could i spend a little more time preventing trump from taking the White House . So we are not going to see a replay of that. But the fact of the matter is, in 2018, we built the largest midterm margin. Trump became the first one Term President in a generation. There was a supposedly inevitable Red Wave that never materialized. It is 2024 and i think the trend is pretty clear. Maga is an electoral loser. I would not, though, take that for granted. It is up to us to do the work. They fumbled the ball. We have to pick it up. I would encourage everyone to really internalize two things. One, there are more of us than there are of them. Really. There are more pro democracy americans. More americans who oppose project 2025 than support it. Really internalize that. Because that brings you to the second thing you really have to understand. Which is our challenge is an organizing challenge. It is just an organizing challenge. If we get our side together, we can actually win this. So i would encourage folks, check out indivisible. Org. Put in your address. Figure out a neighbor you can talk to, to get our majority out. Then were going to get it. Words of calm for people worried about Kamala Harris. Thank you for your time and thoughts. Thank you alex. Still to come, people who believe Donald Trumps Big Lie continue to pay the price for that belief. While the man they tried to help keeps evading accountability. But first, former President Barack Obama is trying to help democrats keep control of the upper chamber. The u. S. Senate. Well take a look at the races that matter the most with the great Adam Gentleson. Thats next. Great Adam Gentles thats next. Heres to getting better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help Fuel Today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. So, heres to now. 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Former President Barack Obama in the Home Stretch of the Election Season throwing his weight behind a handful of senate races including in the Battleground State of michigan. Democratic controls the senate in the next congress hangs by a thread. Republicans only have to get two of the democratically held seats and they basically have one in their column. The one vacated by joe manchin. Republicans are trying to slip seats in ohio, montana, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, arizona, nevada, and maryland. And democrats are fighting to keep what they have while eyeing a few republican seats in florida and texas. I thank you for being here tonight. I what havented to talk about the senate so long. We wont have nearly enough time to get to all of it. Bernie moreno is running against Jared Brown who is running for his fourth term. Bernie moreno said Abortion Shouldnt be an issue for women over the age of 50 and has been pushing the lie about haitian migrants eating pets. How is this still a Tossup Race . It is because ohio has gotten a lot redder over the last few election cycles. And you know, it wasnt that long ago that ohio was a purple state. Barack obama won it in 2008 and 2012. But you know, over the ten years since then, i hate to think it has been over ten years since obamas second term. But here we are. It has gotten a lot redder. And thats why it is a tossup. Brown is an incredible senator. An incredible fighter for working people in ohio. And across the country. And, the reason this race is competitive, the reason he is ahead right now is that he is such a strong fighter but he is fighting against very strong forces pulling to the right in that state. I just want to say one thing about that Bernie Moreno quote. That Abortion Quote was so amazing because he wasnt, this wasnt a tracker video. This Wasnt Someone pressing the question to him. When he said that, he went out of his way to sea it. He was answering another thing. That just shows what an extremist he is. How out of the mainstream his views on abortion are. As you said, this race is close and it will be close all the way down to the wire because the fundamental forces pulling to the right in the state of ohio. When you talk about those Big Seismic Forces Reorienting American Political Life in the 21est century i wonder how you think that plays out. Elyssa slotkin. Independent voters seem to be in the words of the political report Coming Home for her republican opponent mike rogers. In wisconsin, Tammy Baldwin is leading eric by two points. Again, that looks like it is independents moving toward the republicans. What do you attribute those independent votes going to right side of the aisle . Is that just ultimate sort of polarization . How do you look at that . Independents still exist. Undecided voters still exist. The fact they dont is still a myth of our culture now. But they are a much smaller group. That is true. In any of these Swing States they are hotly contested. A Sevenpoint Win by either candidate is not really in the cards anymore in our era of polarization it doesnt cause me any major panic having been through a number of these tight races to see a Sevenpoint Lead go down to four or three points. We are only a month from election day. As shocking as it is to say that. But that pool will break two thirds in One Direction. Or, big quarter ins One Direction and that is what you are seeing here, is that those leads are shrinking, but they are being maintained by the democrats. And so some undecided voters are Coming Home to republicans but enough of them are Coming Home to the democrats that they are still able to hang onto these statistically significant leads that ultimately brings them to victory. So that might be a ceiling. As the days tick on. I got to ask you about texas. Because i think there are probably a lot of people in the world that would like to see Ted Cruz take his Name Plate off the door in the senate. Kicking cruz out of the upper chamber has been something democrats have wonted for years now. Collin alred is only running four points behind Ted Cruz and the political report moved that race from likely republican to leaning republican. How much hope should democrats pin on that race . I think texas is always worth taking a serious look at in terms of investment. And i think democrats are right to invest in it because it is such a massive prize. And the margin is relatively small. And, because collin is a very talented, very strong candidate. Ted cruz is a weak opponent so it is worth it because it is such a prize in terms of electoral votes and in terms of culture and what it would mean for the democratic party to claim california, texas, and New York as the three most populous State Ins their column. So you know, democrats have some money to spend right now. I think they are smart to spend it in texas. He is running a very smart campaign. Ted cruz is a weak opponent. His Popularity Numbers are in the toilet. He has done nothing but preen and advocate for extreme causes since he has been in the senate. He has done nothing to serve the people of texas. This is a good race. A race worth investing in. And we may see a surprise. Preen is one word for it. I can think of another to describe the things Ted Cruz has been doing in the senate. But its a family program. Adam, our sage of senate dynamics. Thank you for your time this friday night. Great to see you. When we come back, the Big Lie claims another victim. But will Donald Trump face the consequences . Joins vance joins me Coming Up next. Joins vance joins me Coming Up next. I am, i cried [ laughing ] i am, said i and i am lost and i Cant Punch Buggy red. Even say why i am, i said hey, scott. This stuffs perfect for fall, right . 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Peters is convicted of multiple felonies for tampering with Voting Machines to prove the Big Lie though Donald Trump won her county in the 2020 election by nearly 30 points, joining me now, we have the cohost of the sisters in law podcast. Thank you for being here. I think a lot of people have heard trumps exhortations he plans ton pardoning January 6 rioters and could offer pardons for federal crimes. But for these State Level actors like Tina Peters, the calvary is not coming right . Absolutely right. Trump cannot give her a pardon for a state colorado crime she has been convicted of. She will serve about 50 of that sentence. She is eligible for parole once she serves 50 of it. Thats the most forgiveness she can look forward to. In your experience as a prosecutor, i wonder how much of a Deterrent Effect sentences like this, trials like this, comments by the judge. How impactful that is in terms of you know, warding off future crimes of a already sort and i think about that in the context of the 2024 election. They do have a deterrent Effect Alex and i suspect that was in the front of this Judges Mind as he sentenced. Because this was a defendant who did not admit she had committed crimes. With the 2024 election already underway, that had to have been a consideration that he engaged in. He told her she was a danger to her community and that danger comes in the context of future elections. From a sentencing, from a trial standpoint, when you have something as high profile as this unfolding, the sentence she has gotten. There are similar fake elector plots playing out in georgia, arizona, michigan, wisconsin. Do the judges look what is happening in colorado . How much is there sort of our eyes on whats happening here as a Potential Precursor to whats happening elsewhere in the country . Yeah. Its a great question. You know. If we are thinking about sentencing in federal sentencing, judges try to give defendants who engage in similar conduct similar sentences. There is a regulatory body of law called the federal sentencinglines and judges federal sentencing guidelines. This sentence is long in large part because of the fact that she showed no remorse. A sentence for all of those charges will run consecutively. You get to rather concurrently. You get to serve them all at the same time here the judge ran some of those sentences consecutively. She has to serve for counts one and four and other counts of that. And it stacks up to a nine yearlong sentence. Wow. I do wonder how this all shakes out for Donald Trump. We know this week, that he was supposed to reply to the filing from the special council and why he should not receive immunity. He has succeeded in pushing his deadline to respond until after the election. What does that mean here joyce . Well look. I think we need to think about it globally and we have to say that our criminal Justice System didnt work as smoothly as we would have liked for Donald Trump. That feels like a major understatement. Those words coming out of my mouth. But the reality is whether the Justice Department was slow off the mark. Whether the Supreme Court intervened in a way that had the stench of politics than of law. Or whether it was because trump manipulated the legal system. This is an individual who should have faced accountability a long time ago. At the hands of a jury. And whether that jury chose to convict or not would have been up to the jury. The process has been delayed. It has been slow and it has not served The American public well. So that is a question we will have to deal with obviously after the fact. But looking forward as Jd Vance likes to do, and thinking about what the future might hold something we can have confidence in is trump will face accountability if he loses at the polls and that is something to hold onto. Joyce, thank you for your time tonight. That is our show. Time tonight. That is our show. Leaving, allie. Im glad you brought up Tina Peters in colorado because that