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Brooklyn, how are we doing . I am luke rustin, the host and greater director of Msnbc Live. We are excited to welcome you to our very first and sold out fan focused event. Thank you. This is where you get to meet and greet your favorite msnbc personalities live and in person and i can let you in on a little secret, Steve Kornackis khakis are just as glorious in real life. Over the course of the day jen psaki, Joy Reid and so many others will give you their take on the state of this wild and crazy election. Let us get this thing kicked off. Please welcome to the stage, the charthorb himself, the man with the most incredible map who is the hardest Working Man in politics and online almost 24 hours in a day. Steve Steve Kornacki but hold on. He will be joined by the pride of los angeles, katie turner. Steve, katie. On Election Nights, usually start off by telling us certain places you will look for early to give us a hint on where this election is going. Give us a clue now. What districts and counties will you be watching to see where this is headed . One of the first Poll Closings you will get is in indiana. It is a county that could offer us a lot of clues. The complicating factor is not every county reports the vote out with the same speed. There is a lot of different places with virginia closing relatively early. Suburbs of richmond and d. C. , they could be tallying with the Virginia Beach area. It may take a while to get a complete picture. One place we can count on to get pretty complete and quick results will be florida. Florida closes at 7 00 p. M. Within half an hour under State Law every county has to report out its early vote and its male vote. That about two thirds of all the vote. Anytime after that, they report out the rest, within an hour. You have tons of florida counties that are 100 in within two hours you know where the state is going. When i think of ford i think of Hanging Chad and days of waiting. To see florida is so good at this, they make a turnaround. Democrats have written florida off. They do not believe that florida will be a win for them. If you are watching florida and it is red, what are you watching for with in florida . It is not one of the Battleground States but you are looking for a trend. One thing we will show on Election Night as a florida comes in is just county by county. Let us say we get Pasco County from the gulf coast, 100 . You will see the result on Election Night and right next you press a button. An adorable open and will. How the county voted in 2020. Harris Losses County has she lost it by less than biden . Is she losing it by more . And then you can see that in a florida when you get the most complete picture of what that trend looks like. There can be geographic specific trends. Something happening in florida thats not happening elsewhere. Florida will give our most early complete look of the possibility. We do commercials and you probably have an idea. If you go to his office, what hes doing every single day right now is looking at maps. Looking at counties understanding the history of individual counties, how they voted in the past. You could probably name any county in this country right now, if it is certainly a Battleground State and steve will tell you the history of that county, right this second while he is sitting there on the stage. He is the savant. It is true. Let us focus more on battlegrounds. You talked about pennsylvania. There is some interesting Senate Races that i think Id Love to focus on with you. There is the race in pennsylvania. There is Senate Race in arizona. A Senate Race in florida that gets a little chatter. And then there is one in texas. What are the chances that democrats take any seats in those states . The big question when it comes to the Senate Races and House Races is what is going to win out in minds of the states . Are they going to look at the ballot and treat the Senate Race as two distinct elections . Arbor split Ticket Voters . Correct. In the two previous Lumbar Donald Trump has been a candidate, there was a Grand Total of one state in both elections where the winner of the Senate Race came from a different party as a winner of the president ial race. That state was maybe there were some folks from there, maine, 2020, susan collins, republican was reelected and then Joe Biden. Using polling in a pace with pennsylvania. Razor thin there. Democrats doing better in the Senate Race. Seeing that in arizona and a bunch of state, michigan. Does that hold or is there a convergence In The End if Donald Trump were to get just over the top in pennsylvania, does he lift up mccormick and bring him just over the top or is there more separation. Certainly looking at the polling, im open to the idea that we may see some split ticket voting. I balance that in my mind i think we thought there would be some in 2016 and it ended up there wasnt. Abortion is a big issue in a number of states, florida is one of those states. Do you see democrats being helped by abortion being on the ballot in a florida or do you see, from what youre reading in the number so far, republicans who support access to abortion, going out and voting to make it enshrined in the constitution in that state. Voting for that amendment but going and feeling safe to vote for the republican, Donald Trump. The evidence as this became a state with the overturning of roe v. Wade is that voters are making a distinction between their view of the issue and whatever their partisan orientation is. A good example of this would be ohio. Which has become a fairly Red State in the trump era. Ohio had a Ballot Referendum on abortion in the prochoice won the ballot very easily and republican counties. You have to play that against the backdrop of the gubernatorial race in 2022. You had a prolife republican governor and a democratic nominee who is Making Abortion for the centerpiece of her campaign and the prolife republican governor easily won but we see that with Brian Kemp In Georgia and Kim Reynolds in iowa. Politically, the benefit of abortion for the democrats has been, i think we have seen it, in special elections. They are generally low turnout events. Abortion is one of those issues that is galvanizing democratic voters to turn out in disproportionate numbers in special elections. In president ial elections, that advantage might be washed away. What about Gun Violence because we talk about georgia and whether that goes better blue. Corey bush is a representative from georgia who won a race based on her experience with Gun Violence and being strong in believing that he speak gun control. The Gun Issue is it going to be a Difference Maker . I have yet to see it. I can remember the wake of sandy hook, just 12 years ago now, it was a very big push in the u. S. Senate for a Background Check and that was the Joe Manchin democrat, west virginia. And the republican of pennsylvania got together. There was a lot of talk in the polling of Background Checks. It was literally 9010 supporting it. Filibuster ended that effort in the senate. There was a lot of Talk And Effort that went into take a bunch of these senators who filibustered it. This is a 9010 issue. Not a single one lost. Not a single one lost and not a single One Of Them underperformed in a way that you could not link to that issue. That is creating, in my mind, i go back to that. Im always willing to have my mind changed. I have not seen any political development that have changed that basic, what we saw then. The polls themselves, there was a lot of talk after 2020 or 2016 that the polls were inaccurate. They did not actually show what was going to happen. Hillary clinton lost. The polls had showed her ahead for the entire race. Can people trust polling right now . Can they look at the numbers and say those are accurate . You like at the polls right now and you should put an asterisk when you see them. Particularly in the Northern Tier of Battleground States. Wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania especially wisconsin and michigan the volatility in polling, the big polling mess. We talk about 2020. Biden went into Election Day was seemingly huge lead nationally in all these battlegrounds and trump came with and 42,000 vote across three states of winning the presidency with the Electoral College. It had everything to do with trump supporting bluecollar white voters in these northern states. They were underestimated in the polls. There is a lot of theories about nonresponse bias. Was this because those voters when reached did not want to take part of polling . And just hung up the phone in disproportionate numbers or posters failing to reach them, is it an issue that trump supporters have a lot of voters to only vote for him once every four years. , whatever the explanation is, we saw this twice. The this in 20 there was an abc poll about three weeks before Election Day. It had Joe Biden im not kidding you i 17 points in that state. The final margin was about half of a percent. In michigan, there were polls, the Poll Average on Election Date was invited by eight points. It was not eight points. Tradition cancels they do not believe the polls, go out and vote. Do not get complacent. To make sure to get out there. Coming up, Ari Melber and Andrew Weissmann Dive into trumps ongoing legal troubles as we countdown to Election Day. Stephanie ruhle, Joy Reid, jen psaki, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Hayes, special Guest Kate Shaw and the hosts of the weekend take the stage. Rachel maddow and Lawrence Odonnell are here too. Stick around. 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And there is a president ial election in the balance. Here to talk about all of that are the Stud Msnbc legal eagles , the host of The Beat mc Ari Melber and Law Professor and cohosts [ applause ] look at this guy. Let us start with Donald Trump tried to overthrow and steal an election he lost and is now running for office again. We have seen the legal System Work in some ways and falter in others. The federal coup case, is scheduled to continue in a narrower form after the election, basically. What can you tell us is the latest briefing and how do you feel as someone whos worked in the justice permits you to play out in this way . Big picture is in Case Anyone in the audience does not think the Supreme Court is on the ballot, and obviously you can look at all sorts of decisions starting with dobbs that the Supreme Court of president ial Immunity Decision is the gift that keeps on giving for Donald Trump. Your comment about the fact that it mero the case in d. C. Is totally fair. The Superseding Indictment that was brought by Jack Smith substantially was narrowed not because of Jack Smith wanted to. It was because of the Supreme Court and the same thing is happening in New York where Judge Mershon has to make a decision, which many of you are going how could i possibly be the case because the new York Case has nothing to do with what he was doing while he was president. As president , it was personal. The Supreme Court said, not only do we give him president ial immunity but when he is acting in an official capacity, nothing from that time period can be used as evidence in a trial even for unofficial personal conduct the reason that Judge Merchan has difficulty here is he put off not just the sentencing but he also put off the decision on the immunity question, which is also pending. One thing that is a Silver Lining. Im not saying he should have put it off. But one Silver Lining is putting off the Immunity Decision and the sentencing as it keeps this case out of the clutches of the Supreme Court. [ applause ] if trump wins the election, we all got the refresher about how a sitting president is not chargeable under the rule. If he loses, then you expect him to go on trial in d. C. For the attempted coup. Absent the Supreme Court, you know, where it was 63, 54 , someone keep your eye on because she did not go along with all of that outrageous parts of the decision. Really interesting. It showed some good faith dealing with the issues. The big issue that will remain is how much the Supreme Court continues to mess up that case. If Donald Trump does not win, the case goes forward and it will go back to the Supreme Court, however, before there is a trial. There will be a Second Bite Of The Apple on that. I am confident that Judge Merchan will not dismiss the case on his own. No way. [ applause ] ultimately, if he does that, eventually, Donald Trump will take that to the Supreme Court to evaluate. In a world where Donald Trump is loss, you can only hope that the Supreme Court, there are not five justices to continue doing what we have seen. I am not the only legal analyst that was just shocked at the decision and the president ial Immunity Decision. I will just add, i think people have felt a lot of passion, fear, anger, a lot of different questions about what kind of republic we are in the maga era. My thought is it is worse than it looks but better than you thought. When you went to Law School and i did, there was a lot of emphasis on understanding the legal doctrines, like that is how they make decisions. I think if you taught about this court, it would look more like teaching about congress. If you know somebody is red or blue party, you know a lot about how they will rule on the big political issues. It is not supposed to be like that and has not all been like that. That is the part that is worse than it looks worse than you even thought. Why it is better than it looks is because on a lot of the key questions, including Donald Trumps efforts to overthrow the election of 2020, a similar court said no to all of that and did not want to go as far as actively stealing elections. They will actively try to politically help him and some of them will enrich themselves and take gifts and all of these problems. They did not go that far. I get a lot of questions about this campaign season. I think if it is a close outcome, you can expect a lot of the appeals and losses that you get. If either candidate wins by several states, biden won by three, the president would not suggest this report is trying to become a dictator court. That is my thought. I want to give you a response. We do have a couple more questions. I teach at nyu. I am used to grading. If i were to translate the our legal system in terms of how it holds top political leaders, start with the presidency in account, it is an f. [ applause ] we think of American Exceptionalism and we think our legal system is so much more advanced and better than other countries and we have this very, sort of, myopic view of our world in this country. If you look at brazil, argentina, italy, france. A whole host of countries have had timely, fair trials and political leaders. That is not to say there should be a verdict of guilt or not guilt. The idea that we have not, other than Judge Merchan, who gets a ton of credit for doing it that we have lived through what Judge Cannon has done, with the Supreme Court has done it by having a delay of eight months and just clearly, to me, is undermining the public right to a trial. [ applause ] more from this conversation as they get personal and take questions from the audience. 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I will say that even though we hear from andrew and her other great lawyers a lot, they spend most of their careers avoiding any comment whatsoever. You made a big job. If any of you know, 50 Cent said i let my Cart Walk for me and let my by which he meant, he did not have to say much. He let his Successor And Work do the talking. That is what andrew did for many years in government as a prosecutor in this Brooklyn District we are in. As general counselor in the fbi. In the Mueller Probe we would call in and never get a comment from anyone including andrew. How did you go from that quiet mode of work to what you do now we used to say that our Press Person did the best job ever. It was being paid a full salary to say two words, no comment. When i left the Mueller Probe and i was going into the private sector, one, i had seen so many people try to translate what was going on inside to an external audience. I thought having had that experience, i might be good at it. It might be useful. On a more personal level, having been vilified by the right, i think it might be better to Base Judgment based on who i actually am rather than the character. [ applause ] enough about me. I want to tell one story. The part about whether i would be good at it. The very first time i was on air, and there is all these incredible people. Savannah guthrie, lester holt, a really highpowered group. You do not know the questions beforehand. It is all impromptu. It was pretty nerveracking. It was not what i have been trained to do at all. Afterwards, the head of talent said, do you have any comments . If you have any thing that i should learn from . No, it was fine. I knew was not true i said, give me the feedback. I really need it. Well, you have any other glasses . [ laughter ] i was like, yes, but why . Are those Transition Glasses you are wearing . Alayna, are you telling me that it looked like i was wearing sun glasses on air . And she was like, yes. You can go back and see that my very first appearance, one person look like a rap artist. [ laughter ] real rock star energy. I have a question for you. It is interesting because i had it but karen from schenectady had a similar question. Which is so i admire which you may know my taste in music is from the 18th century. Which is white being right here kind of feels right, given its history. Here is the question. How do you become so interested in music and so indepth at quoting musical lyrics . Which we just saw. Respect. We have a couple questions from all of you we will get into. You and karen asked that. I do not always tell it in the program but i went to garfield High School in seattle, that is jimi hendrixs High School. I met some of you out there and there were some people from seattle tacoma area. It is Quincy Jones High School. It has a rich musical tradition but it is i diverse school in seattle. I do not think two ways about it. We were all into hiphop and they had a big marching band, jazz band. I grew up also on my parents finals. I used to go through it. All of this, is preinternet streaming era. Music mattered and you were training the vinyl or the cds because you did not have unlimited access to everything i develop the interest then and i have always been interested in words with the lyrics parts came to me naturally. The other thing i will share analyst about this on air either, i am always quoted lyrics In My Life. For most of my life, it was seen as quirky or annoying. [ laughter ] guess what . [ laughter ] may be it still is. But back in the day, i would do that in school, i would be in class. It is like tupac said and they would be like a, stop. I do have friends from school, we did give you a hard time on that but it did not stop you. You clearly just keep beating yourself. That was the thing. When we have Senator Booker on once and it was a relatively serious newsday. And at The End of the interview i said, senator, thank you for coming on. There are different moments. You do not always have to be dead serious. It was one of those days. At The End he looks me and goes, no lyrics at all . [ laughter ] you have something else. Okay. Knowing that you are a fan of lyrics, i have a little test for you. All right. Seriously, he does not know. I am going to give you one hint , which is, it is appropriate for where we are. It is the history of the place. The vengeance of boyles in my cart, Death And Despair claim about me. Which may describe how many of us felt this past summer. [ laughter ] this is a lyric . It is a lyric. Is a song after 1960 . I am giving it so the answer is, no. [ laughter ] another hint. Go ahead. This is good because it is ari but this is an aria. When you lose, you lose it fast. I was thinking some kind of opera. Anyone . Okay. It is mozart queen of the night opera. Shut up, mozart. I want to mention again, so great to be here and see you back every night, all of our colleagues. We are looking into the screen and we know you are out there it is cool as a community to see Each Other. [ applause ] we have two more. One is, from karen in seattle. Ari , coming from a city like seattle, which karen does know, is a progressive place. How do you think we can bridge the gap between so many polarized regions in our country . We have two minutes. I have the solution and then we will be good as a nation. And then leah from athens, georgia, set what is your Election Night playlist . I love it. I have already given mine. Exactly. I do think that polarization and people living in different pseudorealities, especially with the media and the internet is a growing problem. It is also one we have had for a long time. We have had worse periods spanning racial division, political violence, the founders were worried about factionalism. I take some comfort in the fact that this is not the worst ever and we have been through worse problems before. My view is, if you get out of the political clash. Oddly, if you show up at a rally and you have a jersey and have opposite jersey, i dont know how much bonding you will do. And where life is lived and your Parents Association was School Or Committee or if you worship in those places, if you listen and talk back and forth, a lot of people still want to learn about Each Other and engage in packs. Sometimes the things that we find are shared most from our program are factual breakdowns or interviews were things were learned and not just another rant or opinion. I have optimism about that. I think that is part of it but not the full solution. On the playlist and in an its the last word. My honest answer is, when im getting ready to go out to work , i usually go for the highest energy, high tempo littlejohn, classic jayz. I love reggae on the weekends but i love classic rock n roll. We had Graham Nash on our program recently. Yes, if youre actually asking about Election Night a big night, music works better than caffeine. If i put on the right song, i get a natural left for a little while and that of the crash with cappy. Andrew, technically they have given you a minute and five seconds for anything you want to close us out with. I was hoping the question was not going to be about a playlist but what kind of gin you will be drinking. [ laughter ] and whether you are shaken or stirred. Whether you are olives our twist of lemon. The big downside of msnbc. I know this is like a little secret but no drinking. None. Obviously, if you are doing the coverage on Election Night and there is no legal issues, then i will have my own form of a playlist. [ laughter ] there you have it. Join me in thanking andrew. Thank you so much. 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Every person in this country deserve to be financially secure, socially free, physically safe and we have a chance to talk about The American Dream because every american deserves it. You have seen the polling, the economy seems to be the number one issue every single day. The latest Jobs Report came out was not the best or the worst. Where do you see the state of the Economy Today . It is always about the economy. People say they vote with their profit books. Millions of love to say i am not a money person. I dont want talk about money or think about money. We need to because it is hugely important. How is the economy right now . Here is the thing, we are country of 330 Million people. There is not one economy. Your entire family is not facing the same economic picture. For the most part we are good. Think about where we were right . Covid is like childbirth. The Human Body forgets what is like to give birth. We forget what is like during covid. It was an economic disaster for this country and the world. We have had an extra neighbor covering. Businesses have been built. We are still out there hiring, wages are up it has been a great recovery. Compare the united states to every other developed country, we have a better economic recovery. Inflation is real. I can tell all of you but look wages are up. When you get a raise, you credit yourself with that you got a raise because youre great at your job. When everything costs more, you blame the government that is just human nature. The problem with inflation, we see it in every element of our life. For young people trying to rent an apartment and people trying to buy their first home, it has been brutal. Because the Jobs Picture is slowing, we are not in a bad situation but because it is slowing we are going to get the interest rate cut, which will really things a little bit the problem, politically with inflation, is that if you and i went out to dinner right now and we got a burger and two beers. You drink beer . You definitely. Our meal might be 90 bucks. The problem is, we would talk about that for the next 15 minutes. That is why americans do not feel good about the economy. Vice president harris put out an economic proposal. There was a lot of stuff that was properly, a certain rant for startup businesses. It seems like she was penalized for specificity where Donald Trump can say, i will cut taxes and that is it. We are Price Controlling and it will be a socialist takeover. It seems like everyone ran with that narrative. It is hard for democrats to speak about that because it seems as though the more they put out, the more they get attacked. Democrats need to stop apologizing. [ applause ] and just own it. The media is doing a significant better job at how we are covering it. [ cheers and applause ] i dont have a political background, i have a business background. I would love nothing more than for both parties to put out actual policy proposals. Heres what is stunning, her plan is more probusiness. Is more centrist than President Bidens. What is truly twisted is that people are not taking the time to see that. And when people really just say, she is super progressive, what theyre really saying, she is a black woman. That is the only thing they are saying. [ cheers and applause ] they are assuming that because she is a black woman, she will want x, Y And Z because she is a black woman that is amazing part of her but has nothing to do with what her economic policies are going to be everyone should Take A Look. Because the terrorists, Donald Trump says i will be here to cut your taxes. The greatest Tax Hike we will see is if we have the unilateral tariffs on everything. The last time we saw the tears put in place we ended up needing a huge farm a package because our farmers are suffering. Let us talk about Dp Harris for a second. She is different from President Biden. She is someone who has strong connections with Silicon Valley and it seems that Wall Street is at least more open to her than President Biden. 80 ceos came out endorsing her. [ applause ] remember, for Big Business out there, they are not super political. They want to sell products. They do not want to be in politics. They do not want chaos. They want stability. The unpredictability that we will get in a Donald Trump presidency is something the majority of Business People are not looking for. There is a huge portion of the country that saying the country is not working. I want change. If you are the person over here and it is all working, i want to keep things just as it is. That is not great for our country but that is why we are seeing that. I want to make the point when you hear people say, im not so crazy about Donald Trump a Business Perspective or an economic perspective know, from an economic perspective, we are in a very strong position. Joe biden is presiding over a very good economy. [ applause ] and i invite you to Take A Look at the specific Business People who are backing Donald Trump. What that is, in my opinion, are people who are saying, it does not matter what he does to the overall economy but how can a Donald Trump presidency served me and my business . Remember, regulation not all regulation is good, but smart regulation is good if you run a business and you get no regulation and a tax cut, that is candy. That sounds great. We will get tax cuts. You have to pay for it somewhere. I will write anyone other one Donald Trump says we will cut taxes and i will extend the corporate tax cut. Donald trump ballooned our deficit and the one thing he said over and over, i will cut corporate taxes again. He has yet to articulate how he will pay for them. At some point, you have to pay the bills. Do not go anywhere, we are just getting started. Joy Reid And Alex are up next. Great stories from the day. Then Rachel And Lawrence share the stage for the in Person Version of their Monday Night handoff. Handoff. Honey and how do i keep my protection against covid19 up to date . With a covid shot this season, designed for recent variants. You can get your Covid19 Shot when getting your flu shot, if youre due for both, as recommended by the cdc. The fresher, the better. Ask your Healthcare Provider about getting this Seasons Covid19 Shot when getting your flu shot. Leo hes there when we wake up, hes there when we leave, hes there whenever we come back home from school, hes just there always. Mash it up doofus. 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This is how business goes further with tmobile for business. bounce back fast from heartburn with Tums Gummy bites, and Love Food back. for welcome back to Msnbc Live democracy 2024 at the beautiful Brooklyn Academy of music. Nearly a dozen of your favorite msnbc hosts are still to come. Plus, hear from Lawrence And Rachel and hear someThing Theyve never discussed before. First, here are Joy Reid and Alex Wagner. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. No, wait, i want to do that again. Got to get the selfie. Its so smart. Hello. Thank you all for coming. How amazing is this amazing. Thank you, brooklyn. [ cheers and applause ] so you know, i think we are just going to jump right in. Right now we are just re creating what happened at the democratic national convention. With fewer potato chips. And no table even if we had the chips they would not have a table. They would be in our bodies. Can we talk about how much fun we had . We had too much fun. I did actually worry, i felt bad for everyone. Hoosier was at the convention . Anybody . It was more amazing than i thought, and i got to soak it in with one of my greatest friends, and we had an endless supply of fried snacks, and then Kamala Harris got the nomination, so what could be better than that . Whats interesting is weve had a journey. One of the first shows i used to go on on a regular basis, and one of the first people who let me fill in for her was Alex Wagner. Weve seen a lot of elections come and go. Yeah. Rank this one in terms of the intensity of the vibes and the feelings around this. So listen. I think this one holds even more weight, because when Barack Obama was running he was not running against Donald Trump. So there is the Trump Factor of it all which is us standing on the precipice of end times. And then theres the kind of, the candidacy that Barack Obama represented, and one that Kamala Harris represents the trajectory of american society and culture, and what it means for us, whether we are trending towards more inclusive, more diverse society. In the Post Obama Trump years i think a lot of people question, was Barack Obama, did he come too soon . Was he an aberration . Was it us glimpsing prematurely into a future that was a long way off . And Donald Trump seemed to be the Harris Candidacy i think represents an affirmation that the path that Obama Sort of opened up for the country might actually need its destiny. And that [ cheers and applause ] and so you know, its, its not just a democrat might save the country from Donald Trump, its a democrat who can meaningfully move the ball forward and finally shatter that last glass ceiling. So, exponentially the levels of import, the stakes are so incredibly high, and i think that has given rise to a joy that is a joy a joy that is really powerful. Its interesting, because if you think about the trajectory in 2008 you had this incredible thing that happened, a country that was born a slave colony, a series of slave colonies elects its first black president. Four years later hes re elected, and it seemed this path was toward a woman being president , and out was a rough interruption by Donald Trump. Then that produces The End of roe v. Wade. The end of a right that for a lot of women was an unthinkable right they would never lose, and now thats part of the context of now another woman stepping forward, getting the nomination, and it is remarkable that the question of whether the country was what President Obama represented or what it was trump represented was a really live question i think for a lot of people. And increasingly theres a sense that maybe trump is the aberration, and i think thats an important thing maybe we will see if that goes. If that happens, one of the people who will deserve the most credit is an elder white man, named Joe Biden. Joe biden. Yeah. [ cheers and applause ] right . And by the way, you were there, alex, in the Spin Room on the night of the debate that kicked all of this off, and so at the time what people were doing in the Spin Room was they were trying to spin it as hard as they can, like ducklings and their legs are kicking quickly under the surface of the water. All the republicans came out, stephen miller, matt gaetz, all the trump people that nobody wanted to this turned into gavin newsom. The panic that said in that debate is unlike anything ive ever witnessed. Our phones were blowing up. And there was this huge question, so many questions about biden, about the party, about the country, and what has unfolded in the course of the last eight weeks, six weeks, i have no sense of time its been 2000 years yeah. Is like, just to talk about the Joe Biden of it all, this man who will potentially be seen is the fulcrum around two black President S, and the first woman. Yeah. So hes there, and provides a very important role for obamas candidacy, and his presidency, and as president himself in the wake of the Covid Disaster , and economic calamity that were largely the fault of Donald Trump, and then potentially does something No One has ever done other than like George Washington is to see the power, and to make sure the line of succession is clear and final. Yeah. The extraordinary factor of those odds will never be forgotten. Absolutely. And the thing about it is i have likened him to a character in Game Of Thrones who faced Nancy Pelosi the most powerful woman other than Kamala Harris ever in american history, right . The most successful and powerful speaker, i would argue ever in history most successful speaker and somebody, its not as if she was the only person. Across the democratic party there was incredible anxiety. She was just to say it out loud on television. Its not as if she is orchestrating, but she was willing to put herself out there because of her power and the esteem she holds within the party, and she said this is what needs to happen. And it was not just her, again, its important to say its not just her. But when President Biden says all right, im going to exceed to the wishes of my party but do the thing that in my view confers the most power, which, im going to name my successor. Im doing this on my terms, and i name this person as my successor. Thats a power move. I think they just have to contrast the two parties in this moment, because as you say its Nancy Pelosi leading the charge. And insofar as you lead the charge its a difficult position, but doing it in the most respectable way i think to try and do such a thing the democratic firmament managing the troops heading to the public sometimes, democratic voters, making their wishes known, and when Kamala Harris steps in rallying around this person with an Enthusiasm And Joy and electricity that none of us could have predicted it is a party. And i say this after cheney announcing he i mean come on listen [ cheers and applause ] you want to see what a high functioning inclusive welloiled machine looks like . Thats it. Look at the democratic party. 100 . That was so remarkable about the convention. He saw former remember you saw former members of the Trump Administration getting the love. Adam one political party that is sort of everyone is included, everyones invited. Its prodemocracy. 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This is how you build america, it is the immigrants that come in, and they come in and become America Pg has stepped up in a way many failed to anticipate, because they werent covering her and did not anticipate her. As to make who did cover and pay attention to her it wasnt surprising. Lets talk about how she stepped into it. We can have an Agreement Campaigns dont need to be two years long. Three months and done. Nobody needs two years of it. I think its like certainly there media is a huge part of this, also Kamala Harris has grown. She is able to define herself, she is able to speak with confidence. She is able to laugh and be joyful in a way that is exhilarating ive said this before, for women who have watched other women have to sacrifice so much of themselves to the national figures, god its just a thrill to watch someone there who looks like shes having fun. Yes. Who looks like shes relishing this not only because of duty, but she wants to be there and like goes and talks to people on the Campaign Trail and enjoys it. Talks to kids to conduct herself with Confidence And Ease has come to the forefront, and experience in washington, like now you are a swamp creature. The reality is you can learn some things on the job and maybe having someone who has learned a couple things is a good prerequisite. She would be one of the most experienced figures ever to take office if she were to win the White House, but we have got to talk about her running mate. Your first big decision as a candidate is to choose your partner. President obama made it, you got to choose your buddy, and President Obama chose Joe Biden. In many ways it was one of the most effective Vice President s ever he gave him demographically what he needed, he gave him the Washington Experience he needed. Very smart choice. Lets talk about coach walz, yall first of all [ cheers and applause ] first of all he knows how to order a donut, which i think should be one of the prerequisites going forward. If you guys have not seen the Jd Vance in the donut shop video, like it is people actually, we played it on Alex Wagner tonight, and people were mad at me, like why did he subject that to me. Painful. Its worse than cringe. Almost as painful of him being on the podcast with a gentleman who said good thing you had the indian Motherin Law to nanny your kids when Jd Vance starts talking about Ovulation And Menopause i turned on the volume. But i will say when, there are so many wonderful things about being at the convention, but before you can tell with the mood of the convention speaker, the main speaker is going to be when they bring out these long signs, right . Thank you, joe, or We Heart Joe was the first night. Then i guess it was Tuesday Abscess wednesday, walz was coming out they brought out signs that said coach walz. And this was like going to be like a pep rally, because hes the governor of minnesota, it didnt say governor, congressman, mr. Walls, it was like coach walz. You could hear marching bands, and we were like turning this into homecoming. 100 . By the way when i tell you i think the Minnesota Delegation is still in the arena. They were leaving. We were literally leaving, people were cleaning around them, and they were like nope, still partying. We are here. We are happy. Everyones country we dont care. No music playing. They didnt care. They were still there. Aint nothing like a walz party. Weve got to talk briefly about the other side, because its been a challenging phew months for trump and vance. Theyve had a rough time. They have, im thinking this is something we need to discuss with our neighbors more. Much of the year was spent talking about Joe Bidens cognitive abilities. If youve listened to Donald Trump the man is giving rambling incoherent answers that very much begs the question, if he is still playing with a full deck of cards. 100 . And that part of the conversation, im not trying to be a just, my mom is 80, and she could out debate Donald Trump in a heartbeat. But, i do think if we are concerned about the mental Health And Acuity and Cognitive Skills of the commander of our armed forces, and one of the most powerful leaders in the free world we all should have the conversation all democrats had about just how high functioning Donald Trump is. Yes. And i think absolutely. Its even more important to have a conversation, because you have a group of people from the Heritage Foundation and from his former administration that have already made a plan to run the country. Theyve already written it down, its called project 2025. And if Donald Trump is not at his full cognitive capacity then one wonders, who would be making policy . Who would be Making Decisions . And the answer, the obvious answer, is that the readymade playbook is what we would be living under. Its things like getting rid of the department of education, national abortion ban. Health and human services, called the the life essentially having a Handmaids Tale near which robert f. Kennedy jr. Which be attached to that in some way or fashion, thats the reality of what we are staring down. Are we going to have bear carcasses in the White House being served for dinner . Thats how you get a warm brain. Thats how you get a worm brain, finding that bears on the side of the road. Im not much of a fan of what cheney has done with his Life Backyard being generous. Yes. I think its indicative of how these parts of the party have atrophied. The most hardline conservatives feel like they have no place. Absolutely. First of all, there are huge questions bart about our two Party System. What becomes of the republican party, what are its values, what is it mean to have a two Party System when one is not interested in governance at all or preservation of democracy. And when it is protected by end arcane electoral College System that advantages it when it cannot win majorities. We have a problem in an anti Majority Democracy and low and a Supreme Court that is run by conservatives its a lot. This was fun. I know we have some legal experts like Chris Hayes but thats adts for later. Coming up, my favorite part of the show happens to be the highest rated part of the show. Which is the moment when rachel says good evening to me. You watch their handoff every Monday Night on msnbc. Now Lawrence Odonnell and Rachel Maddow take the stage together. You dont want to miss this. You are watching Msnbc Live Micro C 2024. I dont think i have to say their names, because right about now its going to be 9 59 p. M. On a monday. [ cheers and applause ] that does it for us tonight. Now its time for the last word with Lawrence Odonnell tonight. Lawrence, congratulations. Hi. Right to be here rachel be ready to go on the first show. We are all pulling for you and are better excited. Thank you to the smartest Cable Tv News thank you, rachel. Lawrence, stop it. I love doing that, its my favorite thing. Keep the camera on, dont cut. Have to go, see you. Senator, did you and rachel see me during that last commercial break standing over in the corner of the studio . What i was going to do, i am not there now, but when i was going to do was beg you to come on this program at your convenience at some point in the future. I got to spend some real time hanging out with your mother and father, and her brother, just a little over a week ago. I will tell Everybody Lawrence came with his brothers. It was fantastic. It was really nice, and i, i did not get to see you, lawrence, at the event at all, but you sat with my family, and they are all in love with you. I hobbled in here on a cane tonight, but rachel, we are weeks away from You And Me back on the dance floor, Saturday Nights like we always do in this town. You know. Its true. Doing that you know, Patrick Swayze Thing we do every saturday night. The thing i like is we get to switch off hugh gets to be who gets to be jennifer. Ive got some serious work to do here now. [ cheers and applause ] [ laughter ] twirl. No no no, twirl twirl. Twirl. Throw me, i throw you, god. Now i twirl you. No . [ laughter ] before the night is over you will let me to you. That was not in the rehearsal, rachel. [ laughter ] i forgot to go to the rehearsal. I think its obvious to everyone here, and i think ive said this publicly, my favorite part of the show happens to be the highestrated part of the show. Which is the moment when rachel says good evening to me. [ laughter ] which some of you may have noticed i might enjoy a little too much. But, is what happens to me here. When i run into fans of msnbc, on the street, the very first thing we will say to me is my favorite thing about your show is the rachel handoff. [ laughter ] and i get it. It happens to be my favorite part of the show. Im sure they speak for millions when they say that. But [ cheers and applause ] but, thanks to twitter, there are other views of the handoff. For example heres one. This is important, the timing on this. It was written at 10 04 pn 10 04 p. M. See you can imagine the depth of feeling of this particular tweet, okay . To me. Okay . I cant watch the handoffs i always have to change the Channel I Cant Watch Rachel being taken hostage. [ laughter ] i think that side of the audience deserves a fair hearing. So my favorite thing about the handoff is that i have no freaking clue what you are going to say. Ever. Like you know what . There are other shows, and there are other handovers, where i think the producers talk to Each Other and say you know my host was going to ask about The Sun Coming Up on the show, or i know my host is interested in this thing that does not happen. With me and lawrence. So it could be me and your mom are talking about what we are going to do for thanksgiving. Like that could come up. It could be this thing you just did, i have a better guest than you on that Coming Up. It could be this thing that you said in your a block which i forgot, because it was 44 minutes ago, which was interesting, i would like to ask you some indepth followup questions on it, and i dont remember what it is, so i think the one thing to note is do i look frozen in that moment . Because, if you are speaking i feel like the one thing we have worked out, is that i might look like i might be paralyzed. Lawrence knows to keep talking until i come out of the other side of the shock and have something to say. Weve never talked about it before, it is the issue in your relationship that is not going badly, so you dont bring it up at therapy. Because its not broken. In this is, we dont have time for this this is all the stuff we dont have time for on tv, i need a favor. Okay. I am a giant trouble with my publisher. I am literally years behind on the deadline for my next book which will be my third book, which No One knows, because theyre so much distance between the books. You have a title . Yeah. Thats painful. So when i am making my excuses to the publisher about will i got to cover the trump trial, ive got to cover the campaign, and all of that, i know that lurking in the background, and they say this out loud every once in a while, is the fact that in the number of years this book has been overdue you you have chosen to produce a couple of giant podcasts or as much work as a book, One Of Them Steven Spielberg will now turn into a movie, you have a documentary about, oh, and youve produced a book or two in the number of years ive delivered nothing. So my favorite is rachel, would you please stop . [ laughter ] would you like to write a book together . Or do a podcast . We could do that. Lets do that. And if, now we are getting somewhere. So i was going to say if you cant stop, because i have a suspicion you cant, do you believe it could ever be possible to teach a guy from dorchester to multitask . I mean listen. The reason that ive been able to get the stuff done that you so generously described is because i have driven myself down to be a near husk of a person whereas you have a full, rich life, with humans, activities, relatives lawrence into my Book Event by boat. Who goes to a thing by boat . Because, he was boating. I dont boat. Can i ask a Politics Question . You can. Before President Biden decided not to run you were very outspoken about your belief that he would win. He did not need to drop out in order to win, that if he stayed in the race he would win. And a very different take on it than many of your colleagues, and when i think that was a real lifeline for a lot of people in this country, including in my own Family And Friend group. Now that President Biden is not running do you think that Vice President harris has the same, better, or worse chance of winning than he did . I think she now has a better chance of winning, and i [ cheers and applause ] so look, theres a couple things about that whole period that i found difficult. The period actually began in january. I mean there were oped. The pieces were coming in, and i just raised a very simple thing. In defense of the biden candidacy, which is he was polling better than anyone else, and the next one down was Kamala Harris. They made this pretty clear that everyone who wanted to get rid of Joe Biden also wanted to get rid of Kamala Harris much everyOne Of Them. They thought she would be a terrible nominee. So they were imagining some dreamscape, a convention of some sorts that would be contested and all that, and when they came up with that i simply pointed out here are your challenges and possible nightmares with a contested convention. As it became a more pointed issue, and after that debate with trump when Joe Biden busily had failures on the stage, what i kept saying every night was i dont know whats going to happen tomorrow. And i dont know if biden is going to stay in. At a certain point i certainly didnt know what should happen, but i knew it was an extremely difficult decision, because its never happened before, and i am an extremely conservative analyst of politics, which is to say i am always going to choose the most conservative careful choice in governing in politics were campaigning and always did when i was in it. Im not the one whos going to experiment with the Thing Theyve never done before. So, Joe Biden made the decision, Thats Something that has to always be numbered. Hes the one who decided. Joe biden knew better than i did every single day. Joe biden knew better than i did every day what he was a bubble of. He knew better than i did how to calculate on any given day on the calendar what should we do tomorrow . Because its politics is. It is what we should do tomorrow. So uncertain dates, he thought out to do an interview with lester holt, try a campaign speech. There came a Saturday Afternoon where he decided that we should do tomorrow is hand this campaign to Kamala Harris and make absolutely sure make absolutely sure that it is a seamless and instantaneous Emanation Transition to Kamala Harris, and that there is no contest. And i think you achieved that with the timing. Literally if he had done it The Sunday before i do not know. If he did it seven days before what a Candidate Jump up and say me . Maybe, i dont know. So i was just watching everyone make, everyone had a wish of like i wish we had a younger nominee. What i would point out to everyone wishing that was i understand. But here are all your challenges in trying to jump from this iceberg to that iceberg, and theres a lot of Cold Water in between. When we come back Lawrence And Rachel take questions from the audience, and lawrence gets personal about why rachel is so important to him. Stay right here. Ay right here. What makes it possible is unmatched Connectivity And 5g solutions from tmobile for business. Tmobile connects 100,000 Delta Airlines employees. Powers Tractor Supply stores nationwide with reliable 5g business internet. And helps Red Bull revolutionize coverage of live events. This is how business goes further with tmobile for business. Han is 22 years old. Hes not just a pet, he really is a part of our family. Knowing that hes getting good nutrition, thats a huge relief for me and my dad. sings old Bean Piglet Head yes that is your name. If you saw his Piglet Head you would say the same. Toot toot. Missing out on the things you love because of asthma . 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And shes reinventing downtown to make our City Vibrant again. Shes building 82,000 new homes and helping first time homebuyers, just like us. And londons Hiring Hundreds of police officers, and arresting drug dealers. San francisco has been through difficult times, but our hard work is paying off. Working together, were building a better future for the city we all love. Ad paid for by reelect mayor London Breed 2024. Financial disclosures are available at sfethics. Org. I love Rachel Maddow, and i love lawrence. This election is crucial. Everyone should get out and vote. Take a look. I have a question from the audience for you. It is from sharifa. Hi, sharifa. Hi, pa. How do you decide topics and questions for guests and contributors . There is an easy answer, thats the easiest part of the job deciding exactly what not to say on a specific thing, but what to talk about. What counts as the news of the day that you want to say something about that you think you have something to offer that you want to hear from a guest about, and that process, that process to me is the most difficult and most intellectually engaging and most rewarding part of it. Much more rewarding and much more difficult than the actual writing what there is to say about it. And i value the Editorial Freedom we have got. Msnbc is not one of those networks where there is some loss chomping a cigar who says these are the six things you are going to cover today, and you are booking my frat brothers. We are not that kind of a place, they trust us enough to abide by Msnbc Rules and standards to make our own decisions about whats newsworthy. And that is a blessing. And something protected quite frankly. So yeah. Its the art of what we do, not a science, and i love it. Yeah, i tried to come to it as late as possible. By the way, now, so i, i am a collector of lazy excuses that are legitimate okay . The first one that i ever had was on my first book that was so long ago Larry King had a Radio Show. [ laughter ] Larry King, who had the biggest Radio Show was a big deal for a book. Washington, d. C. And he turns to me just before we start, and he says i never read the books. Its talk radio, right . Because if i read the books i might think you are too interesting. I have to hear it here, i have to hear the way they are hearing it. And good evening, and he starts thats the last thing i hear and think this is genius, this is the laziest possible choice. Totally legitimate. And Marlon Brando at The End of his career, he never read a script, never read a line, because it would be fed into his ear, and Marlon Brando would go to say his line, and No One knows what they are going to say. A heroic cause. In the spirit of that i tell myself that i need to come to it as late as possible, because i might find myself too attached to something at 10 00 a. M. That i am no longer caring about at 2 00 because something happened at 12 00 and all of that. And it kind of is totally, it is justifiable. You can be the judges of whether it works. I do that with guests, but i dont like to book Guest Way in advance. Its not a very guestdriven show. When it comes to who will talk about on the show, i think that is magic, how do you persuade a person to come on television and talk about a story . I dont know. Im too afraid to call people, so other people have to do that work, and i make everyone do it late in the game, which is cruel. And never ask to be on the show. Every single such request was treated as a burden, and he turned down 99 out of 100. He always did tim russerts sure, because tim use to work for him. But, ive always seen the Invitation Or Request to be on my show as a burden, so by the way, you might notice, its also lazy that i have never asked anyone. But, right . There is a legitimacy to that reasoning. Lets go back to the handoff. They just showed our very first handoff from my first show which was up there. Then we stopped doing it for years. Do you remember when we resumed it . You dont well, it was a little more important to me. And [ laughter ] everybody who accuses me of being so needy in those handoffs is underestimating the neediness involved. So, i got knocked out of the show for almost four months in 2014, i was in the backseat of a taxi, and broke a lot of bones, and i can walk for a long time, and i had to learn to walk again. Ari melber filled in for three months. It was great. When i came back it was like throwing a baby into The Deep End of the pool. I had no idea how to come back to that. I signaled that by coming on without a necktie. I had a beard that had grown in three or four months when i came on. I had these external signals of its not really me, and i dont know quite what im doing. And at the very last minute, the very last minute, i said, Ask Rachel to say good evening to me tonight. We had stopped doing it, because in those days i could pretape the show on thursday night, fly to l. A. At 9 00 p. M. Thursday night, drive my daughter to the School Bus Stop friday money, pick her up from school on friday, and so i thought i cant do a handoff on the taped show on thursday, therefore i can never do one, so it stopped, and i had not done them in years. The only thing i was conscious about in asking that rachel saying good evening to me was i felt like i needed an introduction. It is the Ari Melber show now. They will remember this guy, rituals a good evening to me, and we will get going. And this miraculous thing happened, because i was in the studio in l. A. Rachel was in New York. And she did that thing youve all seen, the good evening, lawrence and i, who was completely, really disoriented to the point where i wasnt sure that i could get to the first commercial. I wasnt sure i could get through this weirdness that i was doing of coming back to the show. And which is a good evening and started talking to me, and the one thing i knew, the one thing i knew to do was talk to rachel. And so we talked. And she really was you dont notice, and ive never said this, but [ cheers and applause ] what she, what she was really doing in this astonishingly maternal way that she didnt even, she was using a power she didnt even realize in that moment, she was reaching down to that little boy and picking him up off the floor into his high chair, which which was a high chair, because i couldnt actually sit, i had to sort of lean, and, saying, its going to be okay. You can do this. So yeah. It means a lot. [ cheers and applause ] and so, so the next the next night, the next night i said to greg korda, Tell Rachel to say good evening to me every night. And shes been stuck for 10 years. Whatever you do for work, whatever Organizing Principle that involves other people in your life first of all make sure you have something in your life that involves other people even if you work alone some aspect of your life has to have regular engagement with people with whom you look in the eye. And if you are lucky enough to have colleagues who are mutually supportive, mutually respectful, brilliant, and kind , even in difficult circumstances, and when you even disagree, dont Let Go of that person. Thank you. [ cheers and applause ] dont go anywhere. Coming up in our next hour, jen psaki, Andrea Mitchell, Chris Hayes, kate shaw, and the host of the weekend. Well be right back. When we started Feeding Bogie the Farmers Dog, he lost so much weight. Preportioned packs makes it really easy to keep him lean and healthy. In the morning, he flies up the stairs and hops up on my bed. In the past, he would not have been able to do any of those things. A Mystery Jessie loves playing detective. But the real mystery was her irritated skin. So, we switched to tide free gentle. It cleans better, and doesnt leave behind irritating residues. And its gentle on her skin. Tide free and gentle liquid is epa safer choice certified. Its gotta be tide. Welcome back to democracy 2024 where a sold out crowd got a chance to meet their favorite hosts live and in person at the Brooklyn Academy of music. Were not done yet. Coming up Chris Hayes interviews his wife kate shaw, and we hear from the weekend hosts. But first, here are jen psaki, senator claire mccaskill, and Andrea Mitchell. Thank you, thank you. Thank you this is such a good crowd okay thank you guys for having us okay, so let me start with you, claire. Vice president harris does not, i mean she obviously would be a historic president on multiple fronts. She doesnt wear that on her sleeve. She didnt wear white the night of her speech. She does not talk often about being the first. What do you think, what does that tell us about her . You know her well. Why is that . I think she understands that to be elected president of the united states, you first have to convince the american public that you are qualified to do the job, that you are capable of doing the job, and some things can be left unsaid. If you lead with that, then it becomes the topic. She doesnt want the topic to be her gender or whether she is black or whether shes south asian. Any of that. She wants the the conversation to be about what she can do for you. Thats what she wants the conversation to be about. And the the discipline shes showing about doing that, not going there, you do see a lot of pictures not by accident, they call them otrs. Off the records. Out and about she stops for young girls. If you notice youll see in the media shes talking to young girls. Thats sending that message without her having to say a word. And its a much more effective way to do it. But she wants to make sure the american people know shes ready to go Toe To toe with kim jong un. Thats what shes doing. Yeah, i mean, youve covered, you covered the Clinton Campaign very closely. Youve covered other prominent female candidates. Is this a sign of progress, is this a sign of a different strategy . I mean, what is it a sign of . I think it is a sign of progress. Its so excited to me as someone who broke into a business, frankly, where i was first the only woman in the newsroom in philadelphia, a pretty big town that i started out in. And in this radio newsroom, i could only get a job doing the Night Shift where i wouldnt be seen during the day, and i was called copy boy. I was a copy boy. So theres a lot thats changed. I mean, you know, in your profession just look at the women leading our networks. Our bosses are women, our camera people, all kinds of editors, and my colleagues and anchors. But the difference in politics has been so profound. I covered Hillary Clinton when she was the First Lady in 1991 and 92 first running. So for all those years i was a white House Correspondent with them. And Hillary Clinton, by talking so much about gender, and perhaps was not a good tactic for her to emphasize it as much as she did, made it possible for Kamala Harris not to have to talk about that. And the other piece of that is that she was so active on, after the dobbs decision, so she has been the primary advocate against dobbs and for reproductive rights for the administration. That has been one of her signature role. Yeah, no question. And one thing, i havent won a difficult Senate Race or covered president ial politics since 1972, but i can tell you when i became the White House press secretary. The first day, i was so relieved, it was on honor, and this wonderful woman texted me and said you did great, you did great. One suggestion, you should look like maybe youre wearing some makeup when youre out there. And it was not a bad thing. I use this as an example, and i want to ask claire this, theres all sorts of pressures on women. Are you likable, if you friendly, are you approachable, also strong and fierce. Its a lot of, im not going to do the barbie monologue, but you get my gist. Campaigning is a lot of work on candidates, and you have to kind of look good for pictures. What are the things that people arent aware of that are challenging when youre running for high Level Office as a woman . Well, i think one of the brilliant things Kamala Harris has done, is she has adopted a uniform. Yeah. Right . Um, i always was jealous because, you know, i couldnt decide do i wear a suit like they do with the Floppy Tie or can i wear pants all the time, do i need to wear a dress . She just, from day one, said its Pants Suits baby. Its Pants Suit. She rocks the Pants Suit. Its Pants Suit all day long. I wont be surprised if she turns up in a Pants Suit for the inaugural ball. I think she has figured out that if we focus on the things that are irritating to us as women, we take up too much energy. Like, have you noticed, have you noticed how much shes embracing loving to cook . Yeah . I mean, i love that. You might have noticed a bake. Huge baker. So that is a huge progress because back in the day, if you were a woman candidate, when i first started running years ago, you know, we would never, i never would have done that. When i was running for Da In kansas city, i wouldnt even put my children in the picture because i was afraid theyd think oh, shes abandoning her children to be the prosecutor, and shes not tough enough to be the prosecutor. So theres been huge progress. We can now cook, we can bake, and we can be Commander In Chief all at the same time. Absolutely. You know, and even someone at the pinnacle, weve got a supreme Court Justice, ketanji brown jackson, who i know from washington, i know her as a clerk at the court, as a judge, now a supreme Court Justice and she write this is book about the turmoil she felt because her husband was in medical school, she had two small girls, and she had to figure out how to pick up the kids at school. We all share that on gender, we share that, and that is a bond, and ive learned that in my profession with Women Reporters that is unbreakable. If you respond as people and dont feel you have to hide that part of your life. No, thats such a good. I will tell you Andrea Mitchell is like the kindest person to other women. She is. It wont surprise you at all. It is very true. Very true. Okay, i want to get to some audience questions, i could keep talking to you forever, but we have other panels. We always short hand this as october surprises, it could be september, but its the things unexpected. I want to take you back to the editorial meetings and room because by the Way Everyone News Organization And Campaign plans for the things that could happen. Andrea, what are the things, as a long time journalist, youre watching for could happen, may not happen . Just think about the iran hostages and jimmy carter and what happened right before his election. The night before the election he was out crossing the country, flew back. I was standing on the south lawn, and he had to come back because there was a possibility she would be released. They were released by iran at 12 01 when Ronald Reagan was just sworn in. That was the worst possible october surprise. There was Access Hollywood. It was a couple of days before the debate, it was a huge october surprise. Then the debate had to be, you know, the Trump Campaign tried to trot out all these women that made accusations about Hillary Clintons husband in the Past And Seat them in the front row, and the president ial Debate Commission Wouldnt let the debate start until they moved them aside just to create that stir and a distraction. So there were a lot of october surprises. And the fact is this is going to be a close election, everybody, and nobody should make a prediction about this. We could talk about blue walls, we could talk about 270 and Steve Kornacki is the expert, but he knows better than anyone that anything can happen. Ask Hillary Clinton about 11 days before when suddenly were flying to iowa and they come up with a new laptop and more emails and the Fbi Director says two days before the election Sunday Night in new hampshire oh never mind, we were wrong. And they saw the polls just go down. Well all remember. And remember the Access Hollywood tape came out, i think we all remember where we were. It was the same day that the u. S. Government, and i was in the u. S. Government at the time, finally put out the statement that russia was behind the the hack. It was the same day. Youre like oh, Access Hollywood, that will change things, but it didnt. Claire, what about you . Youve run many tough campaigns. What are they red teaming about in the harriswalz world right now . Well, if you look all the things you just discussed, probably they were not discussed ahead of time. Thats why they were surprises. So i dont know that i can guess what the surprise is going to be, because if i knew what it was, it wouldnt be a surprise, id be telling you guys right now. Fair. But ill tell you what im holding out for. Im holding out for a Philadelphia Rally where the the warm up act is Beyonce And Taylor swift. [ applause ] we love it. Now the audience questions. Claire, let me start from you. This is from cora b. From new jersey, if youre hear give a little shout and let us know where you are. But the question is if trump loses this election, do you think it will finally dismantle maga, what will the gop look like posttrump . Thats a biggie. You have 40 seconds. Im just kidding. Yeah, put me on the clock its a really good question. I dont think, i mean, im from a state where they main lined Donald Trump. I mean, keep in mind i won on election by like 15 points in 2012 and lost my 6 in 2018 to a guy, um, who was hugging trump, trump came into the state time after time after time. Was there two nights before with sean hannity. He won by 20 in my state. So what happened . The main line of grievance. And thats still going to be there after trump is gone. Im not sure maga goes away. You notice vance and some jerk named Josh Hawley and others are taking this mantle up and actually embracing it. Now, most of the republicans in the United States Senate think its awful. Theyre too scared to say it out loud, but they think its awful. But theres a Core Number of house members and senate members that think theyll be the next Donald Trump. And they will try. It remains to be seen if this cult of personality the transferable. I dont get it so its hard for me to explain it and hard for me to prognosticate around it. But i dont think youll immediately return to the republican party of romney, bush, and reagan because you know have this nationalism baked into the base of the republican party, and someone will want to take advantage of that. Coming up, Chris Hayes brought a very special guest to join him on stage. Youre watching Msnbc Democracy live 2024. And 5g solutions from tmobile for business. Tmobile connects 100,000 Delta Airlines employees. Powers Tractor Supply stores nationwide with reliable 5g business internet. And helps Red Bull revolutionize coverage of live events. This is how business goes further with tmobile for business. 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Welcome back, Chris Hayes brought a special guest, constitutional Law Scholar Kate show who also happens to be his wife. Take a look. Hi guys hey babe, how are you . Im great whos got our kids . Kidding, im kidding so were going to talk a little about the election Coming Up, and particularly the the legal landscape around it. Something that youve spent a lot of time thinking about. Youve been sort of a practitioner too. In a previous life you worked a little on the campaign and in the transition, the White House counsels office. So i just wanted to start with a question about how folks that are not necessarily legal experts watching this, what youre looking for in terms of issue spotting. Because obviously theres a lot of information in the 2020 election. It was all frivolous. It didnt really amount to anything. But what youre looking out for in the legal landscape both now until Election Day and the postelection period. Sure. I think at the outset margins are everything. We had this idea of a margin of a litigation. If a election is close enough in a particular state, litigation could turn an l into a w. We were spared really having a state within the margin of litigation in 2020. So you had pretty close outcomes in wisconsin, arizona, and georgia. But not in the couple hundred votes or even low thousand votes that i think might have put us within the margin of litigation and really thrown into question the outcome in those states. So if we have states closer this cycle, then i think a lot of the focus will shift to the courts. So we are seeing right now some of the Ground Work for some of the potential postelection lawsuits filed around things like absentee ballot, return deadlines. The ability to correct a ballot with an Omission Or Error on it. Theres a strong presumption if you file a lawsuit after the fact, challenging election rules in place before the election, thats a very, very, you know, steep hill to climb to succeed. I think thats what weve seen some of the lawsuits filed now. So i do think the likelihood of success and potential impact on the national electoral map will determine how close the results are in the critical Battleground States. So lets stay on that. The notorious Donald Trump Phone Call to georgia, you guys all remember that. Boo, yes, i disapprove of that. Whoever said that, bad call. Theres the quote he said fellas, i just need 11,000 votes. Thats like a lot of votes you cant, you know, in the case of florida famously 200 that margin was 5,037 votes, something like that. Yep. So the margin really does matter. What youre saying is if youre in the category of 10,000 votes, even 5,000 votes, litigation is not going to be determining it either way. Its unlikely. Its honestly the margin and what the legal teams look like in some ways. This is something, especially since the dick cheney announcement, there could be this moment of reckoning for the legal profession because Donald Trump has said hes not going to accept any outcomes where hes not the victor, so hell bring lawsuits to challenge results in states that he loses. We know this. And how plausible the the lawsuits will be is in part on how close the results are, but also the team of lawyer hes able to assemble, and i really do think this is a moment when conservative lawyers, republican lawyers could basically say you cannot sign on to facilitate on antidemocratic effort. An effort thats just a Power Play in search of a legal theory. Because thats what it would be. An effort to subvert results in a state losing whatever plausible legal claims you could manufacture. But you Cant Sign onto that and remain a good Standing Member in a profession. I think that would be a powerful message. Yeah, i mean, you know, this is someone saying we already have enough votes, we dont need enough votes. He told dr. Phil the other way, why, i dont know, that if jesus counted the votes in california, he would have won california. I missed this. True, i did not make that up. So his contention is its impossible for him to lose, and anything he loses is rigged. The other thing that i wanted to talk about a bit, and you wrote a Book Review of let the people choose the president , which is a bookmaking the argument for a popular democracy in the u. S. Get rid of the Electoral College. And you made this point before and made it to me in private and also publicly in the New York times Op Ed page. Theres a lot of reasons the Electoral College is bad on first principle democratic grounds. The fact that huge swaths of the country has basically no say over the electoral outcome. Thats bad. But the Electoral College is like an attractive nuisance. Its like an uncovered swimming pool for Donald Trump to go play in. Its like, because its a complicated machinery, theres all these dates and points of intervention that will be around the next time. Right. Its not just the antidemocratic character, but the complexity of the Electoral College. The different deadlines in each state and then in congress. Each of those is a potential Vulnerability And Opportunity for exploitation and mischief, and that is, i think the democratic deficits of the Electoral College are a big problem, but this is an enormous problem as well. Theres been some reform, the electoral Count Reform Act somewhat cleans up parts of the 1887 statute that governs a lot of the process of translating votes into the election of president. But there are still opportunities for exploitation and mischief, and i think thats a huge part of the problem. If we needed another reason to be deeply skeptical of the Electoral College, its susceptibility to mischief. And if you take away anything about how margins matter, Thest Whichest Election of our lifetime, which was 2000, the national popular vote, al gore won by 500,000 votes. He lost florida by 500 votes. Its impossible to imagine a national popular Vote Margin thats 500 points. Even in a close race, the law of large numbers is tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. But a dividing state, pennsylvania could come down to A Thousand votes. So youre also inviting a situation in which the determining result was within the margin of litigation. If everyone just counted the vote across the nation, you wont end up in that. And Joe Biden won by nearly 7 Million votes. Its likely going to be a big popular Vote Victory for Vice President harris. But if it comes down to a state like pennsylvania where were within a couple thousand votes only because of the Electoral College could we be in a position where the courts will be deciding who the next president is. Coming up. 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Um, which relates to this and i think people have on their minds which is the account Supreme Court overturn the 2024 election if Donald Trump loses . Well, we did see, you talked about bush versus gore, the Supreme Court decided the outcome in that election. And so there is absolutely precedent for the court deciding the outcome of a close president ial election. I think, as we have been talking about, that only becomes a realistic possibility if theres one, maybe two states in which things are close enough for a lawsuit, that is again well lawyered enough that it has plausibility and throws into question the result in that state, and yes, someone could get the case before the Supreme Court and, i think Theres Reason to be very, very alarmed about what weve seen from this Supreme Court in the last few years and what it might do if given the power to decide the outcome of a president ial election. Yeah, you dont want to give this crew a second run at Bush V. Gore. That just seems like a bad idea. This one comes from Beth G. From your hometown of chicago, illinois. Is chicago in the house . Nice. Does ms. Shaw, thats you, believe president President Biden or president harris if the she wins the election, adding more justices to the Supreme Court. The crowd likes it. Yeah. So far you guys are down on the Phone Call and up on more on the Supreme Court. We agree. What do you think . I have come around on increasing the size of the Supreme Court. I am an institutionalist by nature, and that is a significant and serious step, but ive come to believe its entirely warranted. Also expansion of the Supreme Court has the advantage of being achievable by ordinary legislation. All it takes is a democratic Congress And President , and maybe a filibuster reform, and the size of the Supreme Court is not set in the constitution. You could by ordinary legislation just add a few justices. I think that has the potential to really change the Supreme Court in a way that other needed and important Supreme Court reforms like ethics reform. So that should be a no brainer, but it would change some aspects of, you know, being a supreme Court Justice. But in terms of impact on the composition of the court, thatmight incentivize retirements. I want to ask. Wait, sorry, i had one here. Here we go. Anthony this detroit. I thought it was a great question. Is there an effective way for me to better frame how impactful the overturning of chevron is without boring my friends to death . [ laughter ] i too struggle with this. My students, my friends. Because people understand viscerally why overturning roe v. Wade was so important. No one has to really struggle to explain that. Its more difficult to explain why overturning chevron versus natural Resource Defense Council was also really important, but it was. The Supreme Court overturned a 40yearold Precedent called chevron. And heres the best way to i think communicate its stakes. Congress passes a lot of laws, and some have very general terms in them. If congress passes a law saying workers in hazardous work places have to wear sufficient protective equipment, someone has to decide what sufficient means. And you have a couple of choices. You have experts in agencies like the department of labor, osha, who study work places and understand the kinds of protective equipment is available, would be effective. So they could decide what sufficient means. Or clarence thomas with a dictionary could decide what is sufficient. And the Supreme Court said last term the guy with the dictionary is going to decide what statutes mean instead of experts at agencies. And that has potentially catastrophic consequences for things like work place safety, but also all of our safety, health, well being around food, drugs, and the air we breathe and water we drink. Its a very, very reaction their Supreme Court whether than the act cities deciding what all these statutes mean, and to my mind thats an incredibly troubling development. Dow get that anthony . Thats good. So this is from, this question is from sharifa in york, pennsylvania. Were hoping shes registered to vote and going to vote and all her friends. Is that funny . What a bizarre system that its like oh, pennsylvania, your vote counts she asks both of us what percentage of the day do you both discuss politics . [ laughter ] what would you say . Um, well, we have a little screen time app that tells us, you know at The End of the we should. A fair amount of time. I mean, obviously the vast majority of what we talk about is the logistics of our children. Yes, their sports practices. Basketball. And then probably the latest registration data out of pennsylvania. Thats next. In that order. This is a very Law Professor answer, but in constitutional law you think about high politics and low politics. I would say partisan politics not much at all, but high politics, thinking about the nature of government. I mean, were not talking about that every day either, but i would say we do. Theres a combination of the too, but actual partisan politics, Horse Race politics, not that much. We were on vacation when the announcement came from President Biden that he was going to not pursue the no, nomination and endorsed Kamala Harris, so we did talk about it on vacation just a little. One more sort of personal question, and well go to a final question, which is an important one about the election. The other one is how many people are on your team to research the topics you present on the news and how do you and your wife get Rest And Perspective during intense news cycles . Well, we have about 22 to 25 folks on our team to produce the show. Thats people doing booking producers, line producers, segment producers, folks doing graphics, senior producers, executive producers. Its a team around there. In terms of perspective and rest. I need to sleep a lot, so i tend to go back to sleep. Like, we get up in the morning, get the kids to school, and i go back to sleep. Chris is a champion napper. Hes one of the best nappers. I am, its true. Its like his superpower. He can catch a little nap basically anywhere at a moments notice. And then start right back up. Its like plugging in your phone. Just plug him in. Sometimes you restart him and its great. But i think for awhile you were a little, well, for a long time you were sheepish about this. Its humiliating but its incredibly important and means that during your waking hours youre like unbelievably productive and present. If thats the way the day has to break down for you, theres nothing embarrassing about it. This is a good step in embracing. She gets like four hours asleep a night, runs ten miles away. I dont need that much sleep, but i think when you need it, you should take it. This is a question about the election, probably the most significant with 90 seconds to go. The big question is what happens if election officials refuse to certify election results. We saw, this was the big one. In wayne county, the closest it came was wayne county. Theres a bipartisan county board. No majority. Republicans balked at certifying the election result, then switched back to certifying, then lobbied by trump and tried to rescind their certification. One republican crossed over at the state level. Theres all this talk about County Level or state level. What happens if they dont certify . So, we dont have a good script for this. A little bit is playing out right now in georgia where the State Election Board issued a new regulation that seems to remove the obligation to certify thats in a state statute. Theres already litigation challenging the lawfulness of that regulation. So i think hopefully the preelection litigation will make clear certification is an obligation, and that will remove suspense about it. Saying you have to certify on a certain date in december. But i think were probably back where we started the conversation which is that because this is somewhat uncharted terrain, we could end up back before this Supreme Court making a determination under the federal constitution, and that may be where we are. Up next, our weekend warriors breaking down how some voters are responding to the socalled switch. Theyll explain after the break. Recipes that are more than their ingredients. [smoke alarm] recipes written by hand and lost to time. Can now be analyzed and restored using the power of Dell Ai. Preserving memories and helping to write new ones. My moderate to severe Plaque Psoriasis held me back. Now with skyrizi, im all in with clearer skin. 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So since the switch a lot of voters are thinking about what theyll do in the election, black women chief among them. Who will make a difference in the margins. The reason i bring it is up because i think it opened an aperture for a lot of different demographics. I focus a lot on the latino vote that will be huge in arizona and nevada. But its also going to play a big role in pennsylvania, in wisconsin, in north carolina, and in georgia. To your point, not the same Vote Share as in arizona or nevada, but this is going to be an election thats played and won on the margins. There was something that happened with latino voters when there was the switch, which was when it was biden and trump, there were a lot of latino voters who just didnt like their choices. With harris at the top of the ticket, those numbers have changed. Theyve normalized. Theyre not at 2020 levels of support for biden. At that theyre certainly nowhere near obama levels of support. I think a lot of folks look at that and say well, why, whats happening . And i think there are a few things happening. I think number one, its important to recognize the majority of latinos are going to vote for democrats. Theres also some Softness And Openness to Donald Trump. Our colleague has a great book coming out about this where she dives into the socio cultural stuff. But it comes down that they still see him as a businessman. But it is indelible and intractable, and they know what they think about him. So the new information is going to be about what he is going to do in a second term, and the new information is going to be about her. Theres still a lot of voters who want to know more about Kamala Harris. And you see that her campaign is already doing that. Theyre out on the trail, theyre talking about her economic agenda. She just did the radio interview, and theyre going to have to go out and play hard for those votes, which youve advocated for since your time at the rnc. You show up for voters, theyll show up for you. We put together an amazing array of coalitions in the 2010 cycle. And the Irony Today is that then, because obamacare, the affordable Care Act was a major portion of the conversation, there was a conversation about the individuals right to choose and make choices for their health care. And here we are today, my party is sitting here saying you dont have that choice, ladies, when it comes to your own Body And Health care. And that, for me, is one of those areas where coalitions, which were already seeing begin to form in places like kansas and ohio where republican women are not alined with their party on this issue, which is why you see the Harris Team making a concerted effort in the national Bus Tour to have the more personal one on one conversation with this emerging coalition of voters around that issue. But also around a number of the issues you mentioned a little before that dont have a partisan tag attached to them. Why . Because we havent done policy in a long time until the biden era. Where we got infrastructure, we got inflation down and a number of other issues. And by the way, republicans signed off on that as well. They were a part of the vote it was a bipartisan it was a bipartisan, which again says a lot about this President S ability to lead and the way he has led has been, from my perspective, as someone who mucks around in politics, was good at it. But im going to throw it to you, but im going to throw it to you this way. One of the aspects of this whole, i know, right . One of the aspects of this whole Coalition Thing i find somewhat amusing is that trump has been plying the black community with cheap Ple Ather sneakers and menthol cigarettes. This is the appeal to black men. What i tell republicans now as i told them in 2010 and 2009 is that brother is going to be fine until he gets home. And all of the sudden hes not going to be standing there looking at, you know, Donald Trump going oh yeah, im with him. My point is thats not how you build a coalition. And the fact that you think so little of our community and the black and brown Community Toe think thats how and why were going to vote for you. The outreach, if we can even actually call it outreach. But the outreach the Trump Campaign has done for communities of color and women mirrors frankly the outreach hes done to his base. I think it shows he thinks little of them because voters deserve a high Level Conversation on the issues that are confronting them. And folks are in the polling and say when you see these polls and they say oh, people feel like the economy is going in the wrong direction. When you break it down and look at the Cross Tabs Tabs or looking at focus groups, people are talking about affordability, housing, their ability not to have to work so many hours and jobs to enjoy the things they want with their family. Theyre talking about child care, the rent is too high, housing is literally unattainable. So they want policies to do something about that. And you would not know thats what the voters want in the various demographics, if you will, unless you talk to them. Youre doing actual outreach. My notes that i brought with me, um, i dont like the polls. I dont like polls, i dont like national polls. I definitely am not here for polls of registered voters because theyre not likely voters. But i dont even like polls of likely voters because the Voter Registration Boom since the witch is astronomical. Let me give you some of the numbers. Young people are surging. During the week, about a month ago, a month ago in 2020 voters under 30 were 20 of new registrants. 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