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I will fight these injustices with every ounce of my strength and my spirit. If im charged, i know im innocent. That was new York City mayor Eric Adams taking a defiant tone in the wake of a federal indictment. Well break down the timeline of events leading up to this moment, what the sealed indictment reportedly includes, and what could come next for the firstterm mayor. Plus, Vice President Kamala Harris and Donald Trump each at the Campaign Trail in key Battleground States offering competing visions for the economy. And just hours from now, ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy will meet with President Biden at the White House as zelenskyy seeks aid in ukraines fight against russia. Well go over what to expect. Good Morning And Welcome to Way Too Early on this thursday, september 26th. Im jonathan lemire. Thanks for starting your day with us, and we have a jampacked show, and well begin with the breaking news out of new York City. Mayor Eric Adams is expected to face charges by federal prosecutors out of the Southern District Of New York as early as today. Thats according to two sources familiar with the inmatter. The indictment was sealed as of last noegt, but cnbc is reporting that the indictment accuses adams of criminal conduct related to donations of his 2021 mayoral campaign. The source telling cnbc the indictment mentions up to 20 Million in donations that adams campaign received as a result of a matching Funds Program that the Citys Campaign Finance program offers candidates for small dollar donations made by new York City residents. The source also says the indictment alleges adams traveled to turkey to receive illegal contributions. Adams would be the first new York City mayor to be criminally charged while still in office. Now, its important to note the specific charges were not immediately clear, and spokespeople for both the fbi and the u. S. Attorney for the Southern District Of New York declined to comment late Last Night. Meanwhile, mayor adams released a statement in response denying any wrongdoing while vowing to stay in office. He then released a video addressing his fellow new yorkers. It is now my belief that the federal government intends to charge me with crimes. If so, these charges will be entirely false, based on lies, but they would not be surprising. I always knew that if i stood my ground for All Of You, that i would be a target and a target i became. Enough. I will fight these injustices with every ounce of my strength and my spirit. If im charged, i know im innocent. I will request immediately trials so new yorkers can hear the truth. As of now adams still intends to run for reelection next year. The Adams Administration was already reeling from a sear as of high level resignations from at least four federal probes. Earlier this Week Mayor adams tried to downplay several of those key staff departures including the police commissioner, city halls top attorney, and the citys health commissioner. The Schools Chancellor has also announced hes stepping away. And yesterday before the indictment was announced new york democratic Congressman Alexandria Ocasiocortez called on adams to resign, citing what she called a flood of ongoing resignations and investigations. Joining us here on set to talk about it, State Attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. Dave, great to see you this morning. So this had been rumored for a while. There had always been whispers about adams even before he was elected to office, and weve seen for about a year now word of these investigations. Talk to us about the series of what we know, a lot of we dont know, but talk to us about the seriousness of these potential charges. They are serious, john. If they involve the Campaign Contributions from turkey that violate the law receiving foreign Campaign Contributionings and violate the law on bribery because according to reports there was a Consulate Building a High Rise that the turkish government wanted completed, but the Fire Department put the kibosh on it because it wasnt up to code. Well, after the election they got their certificate of occupancy, at least a temporary one. So the question is was that because they apparently donated all this money to the future mayor, and then he took action . That could be the bribery count. So well see later today, i think, how serious this is. But, you know, if the feds have been looking at your phone and your ipad for over a year that its going to go down. Yeah, certainly his entire Inner Circle also seems to be under investigation as phones and ipads seized from many top officials. Walk us through the Time Line here. Lets say the indictment is indeed unsealed later today, what happens next to adams in terms of when he has to surrender . How quickly this might go to trial . And adams said he wants it to happen fast. And do we think he can survive this politically . No, politically. People were already calling for his resignation before this. And as far as the Time Line, well, i think the federal government will work out with adams lawyers a surrender. Youre not going to see a perp walk, and then youll have initial appearance where hell hear the charges and get a bond to be out pretrial. Hes not going to be kept pretrial in jail and the Big Question for me is does he resign or does the Governor Step in and remove him . And what does president ial candidate Kamala Harris say about it . Donald trump says the Department Of Justice is weaponized. Of course this puts the lie to that because this is a prominent democratic official. For a time adams and President Biden were aligned but adams turned critical of the biden policy from the White House and the two ive been told last Night Havent spoken for over two years. The White House had kisanced themselves from adamsven before these investigations. Lastly and briefly this is part one. There could be other charges coming. We dont know the fate of other probes. If it does remain this, is there a chance he could beat . Unlikely. 97 of these cases are guilty verdicts for the feds. They get their person. And unless youre mark cuban, for example, its a hard road to fight the feds. The best thing for Eric Adams to keep trying to rail against the feds as a political prosecution, but its getting harder to say that when its the same Department Of Justice also prosecuting Hunter Biden and congressman quaer, a democrat and its the same Justice Department that Let Matt Gates Go under charges even though he was being investigated by bill barr. I think he loses on that, and i think he ultimately loses in court because you have all these associates of him who are perhaps cooperating. At the very least their electronic devices were seized. There are strong rumors one of the challengers might be the former governor of new york, andrew cuomo. Well have more on this story throughout the morning. We switch gears now to the president ial race, and Vice President Kamala Harris is giving more details about her economic policy proposals. In a speech she delivered in pittsburgh yesterday, the democratic nominee called her agenda pragmatic and promised to build up the Middle Class by investing more in manufacturing and eliminating College Degree requirements for federal jobs. Harris also criticized Donald Trumps proposals saying hes simply a candidate for the wealthy. As president i will be grounded in my fundamental values of fairness, dignity, and opportunity. And i promise you i will be pragmatic in my approach. I will engage in what Franklin Roosevelt called bold, persistent, experimentation. Because i believe we shouldnt be constrained by ideology and instead should seek practical solutions to problems. I intend to chart a new way forward and grow americas Middle Class. Donald trump intends to take america backward to the failed policies of the past. He has no intention to grow our Middle Class. Hes only interested in making life better for himself and people like himself, the wealthiest of americans. You see, for Donald Trump our economy works best if it works for those who own the big skyscrapers, not those who actually build them, not those who wire them, not those who mop the floors. So while harris was in pennsylvania, trump was in North Carolina Yesterday to give his in Campaign Speech about the economy at a Pipe Manufacturing Plant near charlotte, trump spoke for over an hour. And as you might expect, he often veered off course. At one Point Trump went on a lengthy tangent about his personal experiences buying furniture, which prompted even Fox News to cut away from his speech. Lets Take A Look. North carolina was once the Beating Heart of american manufacturing. I know it very well. I was here many times to buy furniture for buildings. Id come and id look, and there was nobody like the craftsmen of North Carolina. It was filled with companies like this one and known everywhere for its incredible craftsmanship and skill. I know from personal experience, though, that i was a big buyer. I bought a lot of things here, that there was no place for furniture in particular like North Carolina you were the Furniture Capital of the world, but now so much of that business has been stolen from you and its made in china and other places. And by the way, its not as good. The quality is nowhere near you made furniture, you bought a Chair It was good for 30 years. You buy some of these chairs they sell you now, they break after about two months. The people are laying on the floor suing you. Then on top of it all, our government on top of it all you get sued because you fell out of a chair at a hotel. You made the best product and best furniture. After the twin betrayals of nafta, which i ended, and Chinas Entry into the wto, world trade, North Carolina lost over 300,000 Manufacturing Jobs quickly and including 60 of its Manufacturing Jobs until i came along were going to continue to to watch tis. We carried this economic speech in its entirety for almost an hour and a half yesterday. Were told his speech will echo very much what was said yaerd. Still ahead here the president of ukraine will meet with President Biden today but former President Trump wont. Well Take A Look why the campaign is now standing down on that possible visit. Plus growing tensions in the middle east. The united states and other allies are calling for a ceasefire between israel and hezbollah. Those stories and a check on sports and weather when we come right back. Check on sports and Weatherhe Wn we come right back heres to getting better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help Fuel Today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. So, heres to now. Now available Boost Max some of the mornings other top headlines. Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy will meet with President Biden at the white House Today where zelenskyy is expected to present his Victory Plan for the war in ukraine. During a speech at the united Nations Yesterday Zelenskyy warned Tat Russia appears to be preparing to attack on ukraines nuclear power plants, which he said could pipe out almost 80 of the Countrys Power ahead of what could be a bitter winter as well as lead to a nuclear disaster. During todays Meeting Biden is also expected to formally announce a 375 Million Aid Package for ukraine, the largest since the summer, and the 66th Aid Package the united states has provided the country since august of 2021. Its not quite clear whats in this Victory Plan, something that appears to be ukraine asking u. S. Permission to use american made missiles deep inside russia. At least to this point the biden administration has been hesitant to give that green light. Meanwhile, a meeting between former President Trump and zelenskyy will not be happening today. The two leaders had been expected to meet at trump tower. When asked why the meeting was canceled, a source familiar with the matter pointed to Zelenskyys Interview with The New Yorker earlier this week. In that interview the ukrainian president called trumps running mate, senator j. D. Vance, quote, too radical. At his Rally Yesterday Trump continued to slam zelenskyy. Look at the war in ukraine and i think its something we have to have a quick discussion about because the president of ukraine is here and hes making aspirations. There wouldnt have had to be a settlement, and i spoke to putin about it a lot. I got along very well with putin. I spoke to him a lot. I watched this poor Guy Yesterday at the united nations. He didnt know what he was saying. They just dont know what to do. Theyre locked into a situation. Its sad, they just dont know what to do because ukraine is gone. Its not ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people. Any deal, even the worst deal would have been better than what we have right now. If they made a bad deal, it would have been much better. They would have given up a little bit, and everybody would be living, and every building would be built. 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So the national wild Card Race that seemed headed for the final day of the regular season, well, it might require now an extra day as the final two games in a crucial series between the new York Mets and the Atlanta Braves have already been postponed because of Heavy Rain ahead of Hurricane Helene. The regular season was set to end sunday but the mets are scheduled to return monday for a doubleheader that could determine who goes to the playoffs. Meanwhile, in phoenix Diamondbacks Ace struck out 11 help arizona halt a three Run Skid can with an 82 over the san francisco giants. Arizona now tied with the mets for the second nl Wild Card spot, and they have a onegame lead over the braves. To the american league. The Baltimore Orioles remain hot in the bronx beating the yankees 97 Last Night with the help of this misplay by Outfielder Jason doming ez. The rookie losing track of it, overrunning the Fly Ball that falls in the lefthand corner. The orioles again prevented the yankees from clenching the Al East as they move within four games of the Division League but only four to play, yankees still likely to snag that. Meanwhile the tigers, royals, twins, and mariners all won yesterday, so that leaves the al Wild Card standings unchanged. Orioles already in, two up on seattle. And we want to mention week four of the nfl regular season kicks off tonight with the new York Giants hosting the dallas cowboys. Angie lassman is here with the forecast and that major hurricane. Its a major one, jonathan, and folks should start to finish their plans for evictions across this region because you can see the plentiful alerts we have stretching from those Hurricane Warnings from the Gulf Coast up into portions of of georgia. Now, weve got a category one hurricane. The latest update we see a little bit of a Pressure Drop and winds come up to 91 miles per hour. Still category one, but its got time to spend over the gulf of Mexico And Category 3, a major hurricane less than 12 hours and six hours of landfall, its still going to be intensifying. Well be looking at a really concerning situation here as we get into the late evening hours tonight. Were not done after that. Well still be dealing with likely a category one as it passes atlanta, so impacts to folks there and Itll Kind of meander around and weaken in parts of the tennessee valley. The Storm Surge one of the most concerning parts, 10 to 20 feet around the Big Bend area, those is unsurvivable. And tampa washed out roads. Its going to be a doozy when it comes to that and also got strong winds. Tallahassee could see winds up to 120 miles per hour, and on top of that, jonathan, weve got the chance to see 15 to 18 inches of rain so Flash Flooding Concern will be across the southeast as well. Unsurvivable Storm Surges. People should certainly heed the government officials and get out. 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Welcome back to Way Too Early. Its now a little after 5 30 a. M. Here on the east coast, 2 30 out west on this thursday morning. Im jonathan lemire. Thanks for being with us. And that was a moment from stephanie ruhles exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris that aired on our air Last Night. And joining us now is Politics Editor for bloomberg, laura davison. Lets talk about the economy. Polls suggest this election like many is top of mind for voters. It was an issue for most of this campaign where trump had a pretty significant advantage particularly when he was running against President Biden. Now polls suggest harris has cut into his lead. Give us your analysis on their dueling messages on the economy. What seems to be resonating with voters . Youve seen Harris And Trump go Toe To toe with how they would boost u. S. Manufacturing yesterday. Harris laid out the plan for tax credits, for employers who create Union Jobs in critical sectors, medals for things in aerospace, clean energy, nuclear energy, block chain, a. I. So she laid out this vision where the u. S. Economy should be going over the next 10, 20 years. Trump also has a plan he laid out this week. This is very trumpian in nature. He said he wanted to personally recruit foreign companies to come to the u. S. And become u. S. Companies and establish their manufacturing bases here. Thats a little bit more of a tall ask. We already have a lot of foreign companies who make things here. He specifically called out german car makers. He wanted them to become american car makers. Thats true. We do have a lot of volkswagen and Bmw Plants here, but its unlikely they would become american companies. And certainly harris has received some criticism largely unfairly shes not offered specifics for plans. She certainly did yesterday there in pittsburgh. Pennsylvania, of course, is perhaps the most important state on the electoral college map. And Donald Trump confirmed yesterday what had been widely rumored, that he plans to return to butler county, pennsylvania, at the exact same fair grounds where he was shot back in july. Now theyre going to have a rally there in early october. Talk to us what the campaign is trying to do. Obviously a lot of symbolism here. Yes. This was really the most iconic moment of the campaign, the image of him standing up, blood on his ear, raising his fist saying fight, is something his supporters really rallied out. It was a big Fundraising Outpour for the campaign. Him going back to focus on the campaign has turned into strength for him. Weve seen broadly theyve focused Orn Assassination attempts. There was one a couple weeks ago at his Golf Course in florida as well as the campaign has also said theyve been briefed about potential Assassination Attempts in the works by iran. So this is kind of where you see trump creating a message here about the, look, i am here to fend off forces of evil, essentially. And laura lastly, lets get an update on the workings in the building behind you. The Government Funding Deadline was looming. House and senate looks like theyve agreed to kick the can down the road for a while. Through december the government will be funded, so this Will Setup a christmas fight. Members of congress are back campaigning in their districts. If youre a member of congress you dont have to come to work until at least after the election. Pretty good gig. Politics editor for bloomberg, laura davison, thank you as always. Well talk to you again soon. Next up here well go live to cnbc for an early look whats driving markets this morning after the dow did end a fourday win streak. Plus analysts predict even more americans will use buy now, pay later services as we approach the Holiday Season. 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We mentioned the dow ended its Winning Streak yesterday. Hows the market shaping up so far today . Yeah, so it looks like were on set for a few gains actually to come back, and it looks like the market for what is supposed to be a tumultuous september where youre supposed to see great machinations, and great volatility, all three of those averages look they could be heading higher. Of course you see that bump in Interest Rate cuts from the federal reserve deciding indeed it was time to loosen the purse strings a bit there and the data has begun to soften a bit as well, offering perhaps more evidence that is needed to cut in future again. We are looking towards that weekly jobless claims number, youre quite correct. But pce data is also tew then tomorrow. The Big Question which matters more, and according to the fed they are focusing more on the employment market, meaning todays data may be just a little more significant than they pce Inflation Data that comes out on friday. All right, well certainly be checking on both of those. Hitting a couple other headlines now, a world economic body says the united States Economy will slow down a bit next year but still steer clear of a recession. Tell us more. Yeah, the oecd saying perhaps more could be installed here, thats really on the basis there still has been a resilient consumer. Youre actually finding even though Consumer Confidence has dipped off considerably and its lowest since august 2021, consumers are still spending as much as they have been previously. Its that spend that will continue to give retailers as well as consumers overall that the kind of confidence that they can continue to spend as well. So youre finding the oecd is raising its projections for growth not just in the united states but globally as well including the u. K. And other parts of europe as well, indeed believing that growth is still going to be able to be found even though it is not like before. But as rates continue to head lower, things could certainly get better. And lastly, shoppers here in the u. S. Are expected to spend a Record Amount this Holiday Season using whats known as Third Party buy now, pay later services. Talk to us about that, and what does it tell us about overall Consumer Spending trends . Yeah, so lets start with the overall Consumer Spending, actually, because thats about to climb, right, to a Record Figure here. 241 Billion u. S. Dollars will be spent between the first of november and The End of the year. Thats the expectation from adobe analytics, and thats an 8. 4 uptick then compared to the year prior. This is still despite what people were saying this was a tough economic environment in which consumers were strained because of high Interest Rates as well as higher inflation, which again began to ease off. Because consumers were trying to find bargains and thats what theyre set to do as well as we head closer to the year end, Bargain Hunting becomes a key part of this. Credit card delinquencies as well as household debt, thats set to go a little bit higher because youre going to get a lot more people actually looking for the buy now, pay later form of payment. In fact, thats anticipated to make up at least 18. 4 billion worth of the entire purchase. Thats a lot more than has been done previously, and this may certainly be the key worry when it comes to kicking the can down the road in the big picture, jonathan. All right, cnbcs Arabile Gumede live from london, thank you as always. Next up here the united states is calling for a ceasefire between israel and hezbollah. Well break down the proposal amid growing fears that the escalating attacks could lead to a wider war. Way too early will be right back. A wider war. 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Two american officials tell The New York Times they hope the ceasefire would then lead to a permanent end to the fighting at the israel lebanon border, which has threatened to throw the region into a fullscale war. A senior official tells Nbc News the president and hissed advisers have worked tirelessly to reach that proposal. Shuffling between arab and European Countries working on the proposals details. And we should note Secretary Blinken will be our guest coming up later this morning on morning joe. Joining us now, former Supreme Allied Commander of nato, retired fourstar Navy Admiral james stavridis, Chief International analyst for Nbc News. Lets get your reaction to this ceasefire proposal. Its obviously not done just yet, but weve seen a real escalation of violence between Hezbollah And Israel over the last week or so. Real concerns what could happen next. Whats your take . Unfortunately, the vibe im getting out of israel is not in favor of the ceasefire. My sources in israel are telling me that the rightwing of the Netanyahu Party is hard over on continuing the combat. The idf is being told the israeli Defense Force is being told be ready to go on the ground, two Reserve Brigades called up. The head of the idf is on the front lines kind of Raising Morale against the troops, so i am hopeful always that there could be a ceasefire. I give big kudos to the secretary in going after these things. I dont see it happening in the immediate future, but lets help. So the thought had been if this were to happen the ceasefire would come first, 21day pause and that might even create some Breathing Room to revisit ceasefire talks in gaza as well. Lets say youre right and sources are correct and this doesnt happen, what would an escalating conflict, a Ground War in Lebanon Look like . It would look a lot like 2006. 20 years ago the israelis came across that border, the conflict went on for quite a long period of time. It included israel attempting to hold the ground to the north all the way up to the letani river. It would be a pretty substantial incursion, thats the bad news. The good news such as it is, i think its unlikely it would spread beyond southern lebanon. I dont see the iranians coming into the combat. In The End the iranians will fight to the last hezbollahnese, if theres such a word, but theyre not going to bring their forces actively into this. If it happens, jonathan, look for it to be contained in and around that border. Again, lets hope for a ceasefire. Lets turn now to ukraine. A significant day potentially in the conflict. President zelenskyy heads to washington. Hell meet with President Biden and Vice President harris. We noted hell no longer be meeting with former President Trump. Hes going to be presenting his Victory Plan. Theres a lot about it we dont know yet, but the early sense it does involve the u. S. Given permission to use u. S. Made missiles deep into russia, ukraine could use them. Some officials, though, suggest there are fewer details in Thiez Plan they would like. What have you heard, and just do you think the u. S. Will eventually give permission to use weapons, and should they . I think the u. S. Will give that permission, and we absolutely should. What we should do is constrain it slightly in the sense that give them a Target Set Thats 300 miles, into russia, but not into moscow. No population centers. Go after those military targets that are pounding away at the Ukrainians Day after day, particularly as the ukrainians head into whats going to be, i fear, a long, Cold Winter for them. They deserve the right to strike deep. I think the administration ultimately will give that permission, jonathan. I think theres some concern that they might offer guidelines and restrictions, but ukraine may not follow them. Always a worry, as well. Overall, i think the ukrainians will do what they need to do, and they should. All right. Well learn more later today. Former Supreme Allied Commander of nato, retired four star Navy Admiral, james stavridis. Thank you. Well talk soon. Turning back to politics at home, as Donald Trump and Kamala Harris hold events in Battleground States. Well play for more some more of trumps remarks from his rally in North Carolina. Then, coming up on morning joe, well bring you the latest on new York City mayor Eric Adams federal indictment. A panel of legal experts standing by with a look at what the charges could be and the impact this could have in the nations largest city and beyond. Also ahead, former british prime minister Tony Blair will be a guest. Morning joe just a few moments away. Type 2 diabetes . Discover the ozempic® trizone. I got the power of 3. I lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. In studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. Im under 7. 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Or about pain in your hip, groin, or thigh, as unusual Thigh Bone fractures have occurred. Building new bone. We dig it. Want stronger bones . Ask your doctor about Building New Bone with evenity®. Our seniors have been devastated by inflation. Well have no tax on Social Security for your seniors. If any senior doesnt vote for trump, were going to have to send you to a psychiatrist to have your head examined. The jobs are going to illegal migrants that came into our country illegally. Our black population all over the country, our hispanic population are losing their jobs. Theyre citizens of america. Theyre losing their jobs. That was more from former President Trumps rally in North Carolina Yesterday. Joining us now, msnbc political analyst alexi mccammond. Good morning. Good to see you. Lets talk about North Carolina. This is a state that, during the republican national convention, the Trump Team was so confident. They said, we dont need to spend any more money there, dont need to spend time there. We have it in the bag. Polls were showing, more or less, a dead heat. Now, the gubernatorial candidate, mark robinson, is involved in a huge scandal threatening to bring trump down, as well. How does each Campaign View what now is an extraordinarily important battleground . North carolina has become perhaps the single most important Battleground State this cycle. In large part, because of the scandal going on with Lieutenant Governor Mark robinson, challenging the democratic attorney general Josh Stein to be governor of the state. Trump has embraced him. Trump has felt pretty good about his chances in North Carolina. Robinson has become a liability for Trumps Campaign in many ways, not least of which the folks in the state who have Known Robinson for who he is for decades before this. Now, trump is showing up to the state, and people are wondering, what is his relationship with robinson anymore . What we can tell you and what you know is that the Trump Campaign doesnt want robinson appearing with him in person. Meanwhile, im getting texts, calls, emails from democratic operatives and sources who are like, by the way, did you see robinson said this thing . Oh, have you seen this . We have this coming out. Theres a lot more to come with North Carolina, i would say. Again, just creates a liability for trump and his campaign. Yeah, trump didnt mention robinson in any of his recent North Carolina events but hasnt publicly disavowed him either. Alexi, lets talk about the rhetoric here from trump. Incendiary, inflammatory, also sort of tired, sort of same old, same old. Yet, his base still seems to be thrilled by it. Do we think some of the Swing Voters will be turned off or respond . I talked about this on my last podcast episode, in sync with alexi, so hopefully everyone will check it out. Whats fascinating, especially with Swing Voters, folks are looking for specific issues from trump on the ones they care about. On the economy, folks are looking for answers beyond a Tax Cut for every new constituency or a tariff hed impose on another country, not helping the economic situation of people in this country. In the speech you played from trump yesterday, what is most revealing to me is when he said that Senior Citizens who dont vote for him need a mental Acuity Test or cognitive test to prove theyre okay. A lot of voters wanted a debate with trump, many debates including trump to measure his cognitive fitness for office. In the Nbc News Poll you guys put out a couple days ago, i believe Kamala Harris had a 20 Point Advantage with voters on who they viewed as being mentally fit to hold office. I thought that was a staggering number on top of his comments yesterday, sort of willingly bringing up, voluntarily bringing up this idea that some people, not himself, needed cognitive testing. Right. To be sure. Alexi, lets get your 30,000 foot take on what the Harris Campaign Strategy has been. Theres been some democrats, just some, who feel maybe shes not doing enough, that theyre playing it too safe. Theyre not letting her and Governor Walz get out there and do more interviews, interact with voters more, things theyre good at. The Kid Gloves are still on. Do you think those fears are valid, or do you think, look, the campaign has had a meteoric rise. Theyre playing it smart and safe . What to you think they need to do in the last six or so weeks . Yeah, i think theyre playing it smart and maybe a little safe, but i do think that the comparisons are a little unfair. Of course, Donald Trump sits down with, like, youtubers who are actually illlliterate. Theyre sitting down with reputable organizations, answering questions. Harris and walz have questions and intellectually serious ideas they could put forward. Donald trump is sitting down with folks who traffic in Ufc Fights and online conspiracy theories. Jd vance is taking questions from reporters publicly at his rally almost as some sort of performance, to sort of say, look at me, im not afraid to take questions from reporters in front of All Of You. As you see, he takes a question from a reporter and berates them. I would say the Harriswalz Team will keep doing what theyre doing. Trump, at times, is being coached along in his answers by the person asking him the questions. Msnbc political analyst alexi mccammond, thank you for your insight. We appreciate it. Thank you to All Of You for getting up Way Too Early with us on this thursday morning. Morning joe starts right now. This next month, trump is