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Store my President Biden gets tonights last word. The 11th Hour with Stephanie Ruhle starts now. Did evening, once again, and thank you for joining us for a Special Edition of the 11th Hour. Im Stephanie Ruhle live from Carnegie Mellon University In Pittsburgh where today, Vice President Kamala Harris laid out her economic vision for this country. We will have my full Oneonone Interview with her in just a couple of minutes. But first, there is major Breaking News in new York City tonight. The mayor, eric adams, is expected to face federal charges as early as tomorrow. Adams said that any charges against him would be entirely false and based on lies. I want to bring in former u. S. Attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. Joyce, i leave new York City for one single night, and the whole place goes on fire. What do we know, and where does this whole situation go from here . Right, so clearly you cant ever leave again. What appears to be the case here is that Federal Prosecutors have gone to a grand jury, they have obtained an indictment that has been sealed. That is why we dont know any of the details. Of course, while it is sealed, No One on the Government Side of the equation can release any details about the indictment or even its existence. So it is very likely that what we are learning comes from the Defense Side of the equation, but certainly not from Law Enforcement or prosecutors. What does it tell you that this is the same Department Of Justice that Donald Trump accuses of Conducting A Witchhunt against him, is now indicting a democratic mayor . Right, look, Donald Trumps allegations serve Donald Trump. And they are stirred simply not the truth. I am a 25 Year Veteran of the justice department. Federal prosecutors have a northstar, and that is the rule that you can only indict a case when you have sufficient evidence or you believe you have sufficient evidence to obtain a verdict at trial and to sustain that verdict on appeal. Every federal prosecutor i know evaluates their evidence against that standard. They dont worry about if it is a democrat or republican. They are worried about doing justice. That is what the Southern District Of New York will have had in mind as it conducted this investigation and prepared this indictment. Thank you, joyce. We will be all over this tomorrow morning, but for now, lets come back to pittsburgh. Because there are 41 days until election day, and today in a speech at carnegie mellon, Vice President harris gave details about her economic vision for the country. Afterwards she sat down with me for an exclusive interview, her first Oneonone Interview with a major network since becoming the democratic nominee. Sit back and take a look. Madame Vice President , you just laid out your economic vision for the future. But still, there are lots of americans who dont see themselves in your plans. For those who say these policies arent for me, what do you say to them . Well, if you are hard working, if you have the dreams and the ambitions and the aspirations of what i believe you do, you are in my plan. I have to tell you, i really love and am so energized by what i know to be the Spirit And Character of the american people. We have ambition. We have aspirations. We have dreams. We can see what is possible. We have an incredible work ethic. But not everyone has the access to the opportunities that allow them to achieve those things. But we do not lack for those things. But not everyone gets handed stuff on a silver platter. And so, my vision for the economy, i call it an opportunity economy, is about making sure that all americans, wherever they start, wherever they are, have the ability to actually achieve those dreams and those ambitions, which include, for middleclass families, just being able to know that their hard work allows them to get ahead. Right . I think we cant, and we should aspire to have an economy that just allows people to get by. People want to do more than just get by, they want to get ahead. And i come from middleclass. My mother raised my sister and me, she worked hard, she saved up. By the time i was a teenager she was able to buy our first home. And, you know, homeownership for too many people in our country right now is elusive. Gone is the day of everyone thinking they can actually live the american dream. So, part of my vision for the economy is lets deal with some of the everyday challenges that people face and address them with Common Sense solutions, such as affordable housing. Over the last four years there have been tremendous economic winds, and youve just laid out a big plan. But still, polling shows that most likely voters still think Donald Trump is better to handle the economy. Why do you think that is . Well, here is what i know in terms of the facts. Donald trump left us with the worst economy since the great depression, when you look at, for example, the employment numbers. It was during covid, and employment was so high because we shut down the government, we shut down the country. Even before the pandemic. He lost Manufacturing Jobs by most peoples estimates, at least 200,000. He lost manufacturing plants, ask the autoworkers how he lost auto plants. We have grown over 20 new auto plants. He has an agenda. Lets just deal with it right now, going forward, not to mention what happened in the past. He has an agenda that would include making it more difficult for workers to earn overtime, an agenda that would include cutting off access to Small Business loans for Small Businesses and an agenda that includes tariffs to the point that the average Working Person will spend 20 more on Everyday Necessities and an estimated 4000 more a year on those Everyday Necessities. To the point that top economists in our country, from nobel laureates to people at moodys and Goldman Sachs have compared my plan with his and said my plan would grow the economy, his would shrink the economy. Some of them have actually assessed that hiS Plan would increase inflation and invite a recession by the middle of next year. So, the facts remain that Donald Trump has a history of taking care of very rich people , and im not mad at anybody for being rich, but they should pay their fair share. But Tax Cuts for the billionaires and the top corporations in our country. And that not really paying much attention to middleclass families. My perspective on the economy is when you grow the middle class, Americas Economy is stronger. And there is empirical evidence to prove my point correct. And let me ask you about taxes. Because lots of people will say i dont like Donald Trump, but he cut my taxes. He did not just cut corporate taxes, he cut individual taxes. Now, that expires next year and there are some people confuse, saying i dont know whats going to happen next year. Under a harrahs administration, at what Income Level should someone expect their taxes to go up, and that state and local Tax Deduction that is currently capped and matters to a lot of people in blue states, they are going to lift that cap . So, first of all, when it relates to anybody making less than 400,000 a year, your taxes will not go up. Your taxes will not go up. And in fact, under my plan, taxes for 100 Million americans will actually be cut, including 6000 a year for young couples, for the first year of their childs life, and a taxcut, a tax credit, essentially. By expansion of the child tax credit. And why is that . Because during the first year of a young couple, of a childs life, they are going to need help buying a crib, buying a car seat, and we all benefit when they are actually able to do what they naturally want to do to take care of their child. And extending that child tax credit, or you mentioned housing before, getting that extra money for a first home. If you Cant Raise corporate taxes, or if gop takes control of the senate, where you get the money to do that . Do you still go forward with those plans and borrow . Well, but we are going to have to raise corporate taxes. We are going to have to raise, we are going to have to make sure that the biggest corporations and billionaires pay their fair share. That is just it. It is about paying their fair share. I am not mad at anyone for achieving success. But everyone should pay their fair share, and it is not right that the teachers and the firefighters that i meet every day across our country are paying a higher tax than the richest people in our country. Bill gates just added this week. If he was in charge of taxes he wouldve paid more. But how do you find that line, to make sure corporations are paying their fair share, but they are not leaving our country . Listen, i work with a lot of ceos. I have spent a lot of time with ceos. And i want to tell you, that the Business Leaders who are actually part of the engine of Americas Economy agree that people should pay their fair share. They also agree that when we look at a plan such as mine, that is about investing in the middle class, investing in new industries, investing in bringing down costs, investing in entrepreneurs like Small Businesses, that the overall economy is stronger and everyone benefits. Part of my plan for the economy is investing in new industries in a way that we have partnership with the private sector. I have worked with the private sector my entire career. Even as Vice President , working with some of the biggest banks and biggest Tech Companies to increase by billions of dollars the money going into community banks, to increase access to capital for Small Businesses. Why do those biggest corporations and ceos do that . Because they know those kind of investments, like in our Small Businesses, in startups and entrepreneurs actually strengthens Americas Economy overall, and everyone benefits. This is not about bilking anybody, it is certainly about saying lets make sure we create opportunities for everyone to grow wealth. I believe that it is not sufficient and it should not be our goal to just make sure everyone is working. That should be the baseline, that should be a given. And lets create an economy where people have the ability to buy a home, to start a business. To take a nice vacation from time to time. Right . For people who want to buy a home, yes, getting a 25,000 kicker would be great. But it is not just affording a home. We dont have enough in this country. You are absolutely right. And one of the main problems are regulations and rules, strict, strict rules at a local level. How does the federal government cut through all that Red Tape and get down to, i know, the suburbs of pittsburgh and say we have to a build affordable housing here. How do you connect the two . You are absolutely right. Across the country people are rightly concerned about the cost of housing. Homeownership, to your point, we need more supply. That is, without any question, part of the solution. Creating more supply under my plan includes creating tax incentives, to work with the private sector and homebuilders. Part of my goal and the plan would be to create 3 Million new Housing Units for rent and for ownership by The End of my first term. It includes also what we must do to cut Red Tape, you are absolutely right. It takes far too long and there is too much bureaucracy associated with homebuilding. And i say that as a devout public servant. I know that we have to reduce the red Tape And Speed up what we need to do around building. And that is going to require working from the federal level with state and local governments. And it is going to be different in different places, depending on the needs of that community, the needs of that local government, that municipality. But working in consultation and coordination, and also around incentives that we can create, for example, some of the work is going to be through what we do in terms of giving benefits and assistance to state and local governments around transit dollars. And looking holistically at the connection between that and housing. And looking holistically at the incentives within the federal government to create for local and state governments, to actually engage in planning in a holistic manner that includes prioritizing affordable housing for working people. When we come back, a whole lot more of my exclusive interview with Vice President Kamala Harris. We will talk about Donald Trumps broken promises for Union Workers, abortion, immigration, tariffs, and even the Vice President s time working at mickey ds. The 11th Hour getting underway on a very busy Wednesday Night from Carnegie Mellon University In Pittsburgh. Meet the jennifers. Each planning their future through the chase mobile app. Hellooo new apartment. One bank for now. For later. For life. Chase. Make more of whats yours. Thursday Night Football on prime. Its on. Ready to have some fun . Yeah, lets do it. The Dallas Cowboys take on the new york giants, as Thursday Night football is on. 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Which includes, again, back to the point of growing our economy and how i think about the economy overall, investing in new industries. There is not a new industry that i can imagine that is not going to require steel as a manufacturing as a fundamental part of what are the colleges. And having american workers in an american company manufacturing that steel for those new industries is going to be critically important, not only in terms of our economy, but also in the context of national security. Most people now realize, if we did it before the pandemic, and the strain on Supply Chains and an overreliance on foreign manufacturing, that we have to be intentional about u. S. Based manufacturing. And of the products that we have to prioritize, steel is one of them. And that is always going to be my priority. Still Workers Matter in this country. Unions matter. In 2016, Donald Trump connected with unions. He saw them, there was an emotional connection. But what he didnt do was deliver policy. In the last four years, we have seen huge wins in this country for unions, but not all unions have gotten behind you. I want to understand, when the teamsters decided not to endorse you, what was their reasoning . What are they looking for . Well, let me go back to our previous conversation. I am very proud to have The Endorsement of the still workers in almost every other major union in america, because i stand by workers and i stand by the importance of being able to join a union and to understand the benefit and the value of unions. And i understand the importance of investing in new industries and working actively with the private sector to grow our economy. But i am asking because there is this idea, we want something more from her. What is it . Heres the thing, back to your point about previous election cycles. Donald trump made a whole lot of promises that he did not meet. And one would argue broke. Look at lordstown. Dont sell your homes. Yeah, dont sell your homes. And what happened, it shut down. Outsourcing under Donald Trump. His policies that are about putting tends to hundred percent tariffs. John deere. Yes. Yes. So, part of the challenge, and i dont disagree that it is a challenge. You got to earn the vote of everybody. Reminding people of fact. Regardless of what somebody says in a small rally somewhere. And i think that is really important, and that is part of what i am doing in this campaign, to remind people, just like here In Pittsburgh, of the reality of who has stood with union labor, who stands for American Manufacturing, who stands for american jobs. Can i ask you about tariffs . Because you just mention it, it is not just with one company. Donald trumps Big Idea is this broadbased tariffs across the board. You and many others have said that would be not only disastrous, but it would be a direct tax on the american consumer. It would be a Sales Tax on the american people that, in The Ended up in It Economists have already measured this by the Sales Tax of doing a 20 tariff on all imports that he has described would be a 20 Sales Tax in essence on basic necessities for the average american worker, average american family, totaling almost 4000 a year. That is no small matter. Here In Pittsburgh, when i am talking to a group of folks who work here, who live here, and when they hear it might be 4000 more a year for them, look. People cant afford that. But tariffs are not unique to president trump. President biden has tariffs in place. He is actually looking to potentially implement more. What you come out on is there a good tariff, a bad tariff . Part of it is you dont just throw around the idea of tariffs across the board, and that is part of the problem with Donald Trump. Frankly, and i say this in all sincerity, he is just not very serious about how he takes about some of these issues. And one must be serious and have a plan, a real plan that is not just about some Talking Point Ending in an exclamation at a political rally, but actually putting a thought into what will be the Return On Investment and the economic impact on everyday people. And when you look at my plans, you will see what those benefits will be. 25,000 down Payment Assistance for firsttime homebuyers. You know what that means . Then you are creating the ability of that Working Person to build intergenerational wealth. Doing the work of a 6000 child tax credit, doing the work of a 50,000 Tax Deduction for first time Small Businesses, startups. It is a real plan. Because right now, and it is about paying attention to the detail and being serious about it. I am serious about my enthusiasm and, for Small Businesses, and my belief in what they will do as part of americas economic engine. So, looking at the fact that right now the Tax Deduction is 5000, No One in this year of our lord 2024 can start a Small Business with 5000. Very few can. So extending it to 50,000, Tax Deduction for startups, to generate the innovation and the ambition of the ideas that are present and among us but need the fuel to actually be able to achieve the goal. S Plan is not serious, when you lay it out like that. But a serious problem over the last few years has been inflation. Luckily it is cooling, but prices are still high. I agree with you. You say you want to take this on by going after those who engage in Price Gouging. But as somebody who supports free markets, who is a capitalist, how do you go after Price Gouging without implementing Price Controls . Because once we get in this zone, people start to get worried and they say i dont know what she stands for. So, just to be very frank, i am never going to apologize for going after companies and corporations that take advantage of the desperation of the american people. And as an Attorney General i saw this happen, in the midst of an emergency, whether it be in extreme Weather Event or even the pandemic we saw it, where those few companies, not the majority, not most, that those few companies that would take advantage of the desperation of people and jack up prices, yeah, i am going to go after them. Yes, i am going to go after them. And that is part of a much more conference a plan on what we can do to bring down the cost of living, including housing, including the everyday needs of the american people. When we come back, we talk immigration and i asked the Vice President what she says to communities strained by the surge in legal immigration when the 11th Hour continues. But just ok isnt ok. And i was done settling. 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And No One is eating cats and dogs in springfield, ohio, and i am glad not to be talking about that, but there are people there that are stressed, that feel that they are at capacity. Communities around the country that have legal immigration, many have said we are at capacity. And many feel that the government has said them well, adapt. Sit down, be quiet, this is how it is. What would a Harrison Ministration due for those communities who have taken in any, many legal immigrants but are at capacity . Well, first of all, we do have a broken immigration system. And it needs to be fixed. And if we take a step back, months ago, some of the most conservative members of the united States Congress came together with others and propose a border security bill. That would put 1500 new Border Agents on the border to help those hardworking Border Agents who are there right now working around the clock. Put more money into stemming the flow of sentinel, which is killing americans around our country and devastating communities. Would have put more resources into our ability to prosecute transnational criminal organizations, which, in my career, i have prosecuted. Donald trump got word of the bill, realized it was going to fix a problem he wanted to run on, and told them to kill the bill, dont put it up for a vote. He killed a bill that wouldve actually been a solution because he wants to run a problem instead of fixing a problem. That is part of what needs to be addressed, and my pledge is that when elected president , if the american people will have me, i will bring that bill back and i will sign it into law. And we need a comprehensive plan that includes what we need to do to fortify not only our border, but deal with the fact that we also need to create pathways for people to earn citizenship. And i want to ask you about a little job and a big job. The first one, just a fact check. There is no such thing as a little job. Fair, because your opponent almost every day seems to be talking about this. So i just want to ask you, yes or no. At any point in your life have you served two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, add a sesame seed bun. Working at mcdonalds, yes or no, thats it. I have. But it was not a small job. For a small period of time. But let me after a big job. But before your point, if you dont mind, before we get to the big job. Part of the reason i even talk about having worked at mcdonalds is because there are people who work at mcdonalds in our country who are trying to raise a family. I worked there as a student. I was a kid. They worked there trying to raise families and pay rent on that. And i think part of the difference between me and my opponent includes our perspective on the needs of the american people. And what our responsibility is to then meet those needs. Then to the big job. You have laid out policy in great detail, but the economy is an unpredictable beast, and you are running for a job that takes extraordinary instinct and guts. When is the last time you had to make a good decision . This is is very prescribed, it is very controlled. Yeah, probably the biggest good decision i have made most recently is to choose my running mate. Yeah. There were lots of good, incredible candidates, and ultimately that came down to a good decision. I know im out of time, but i just want to ask you a question from my gut. Because today we are talking about the economy. And people dont think often about reproductive rights being an economic issue. But it is. A Womans Ability to plan her future, her education, her life. Today, and in the last few days, Donald Trump keeps talking about it, and how it overturning Roe V wade, he helped women. He protected women. He says they are miserable today, they are poorer today, they are more vulnerable today. He said he will be the protector of women if elected. Can you respond to that . So, Donald Trump is also the person who said women should be punished for exercising a decision that they rightly should be able to make about their own body in their future. So, i think we would all agree that as a result of that perspective that he has about women, he also then chose three members of the United States Supreme Court who did as he intended, undid the protections of Roe V wade, and now, in state after state, you see laws being passed. That do punish women. Laws that, i mean, most recently a heartbreaking story resulted in a young woman dying. A mother of a sixyearold. Heartwrenching stories. And that is for the listener, much less their family. So, look. I think the thing about Donald Trump is i dont think the women of america need him to say he is going to protect them. The women of america need him to trust them. Can we trust you . Yes. Yes. I am not perfect. 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Our panel is here to discuss my interview with Vice President harris. Peter baker, chief white House Correspondent for the new york times. Stephen garrett, correspondent for bloomberg, and hosted the big tape podcast, claire mccaskill, and michael steele, former chairman of the Republican National Committee and former Lieutenant Governor of maryland. But you know him as the cohost of the weekend right here on msnbc. Claire, that is your former colleague who you know very well. What stuck out to you, this sort of return to normal politicians. Yeah, listen. I think she did a terrific job, so my big take away was lets do this more often. I think the more the american people see her in a situation where you are lobbing substantive questions at her, including some that were not easy, and she handled it calmly, thoughtfully, and the contrast, stephanie, that i think is most important, is that she made that entire interview about the american people. She made it about their needs, their desires, their aspirations, and how she can bend the economy in ways that we know is limited, but nonetheless, the policy that would matter to make a difference in their lives. It was not boastful. It was not full of eyes and knees. It was not full of fanciful phrases that were hyperbole. It was not full of sentences that make no sense whatsoever. When you apply them to the problem that is being asked about. The contrast was so significant, and i think the more the american people see that contrast, the more i think they are going to become full with her in the over office. Michael . Yeah, i would agree with that, in large measure. I think that she has done a good job of bypassing, very much like Ronald Reagan did, the mainstream media, if you will. The necessity of the media to be touched. They love to be touched. They want to be able to Sit Down and probe, and she has sort of sidestepped that in the first 40 days of this effort. And started that connection with the voters. Her Sit Down with you today was really the first formal okay, let me do it the Way Everybody thinks i should. But by then, she had already began to lay down some gold posts, laying down her vision for the countrys economy, already being on the record on a number of things with respect to the middle east, and europe. And so, i think she started the conversation on her terms and it continued in this excellent interview she had with you. It was very interesting, about the speech, one quote, a headline that i just love today. It was from the des moines register, it said harris economic speech lacked anger and racism. Whats wrong with her . And i thought that was the perfect sort of contrast to what we have seen from Donald Trump. And she did that expertly. So i would agree with claire. I think the more she is out here having this conversation, sitting down, you know what . She is going to show herself to be more president ial than the actual former president. And that may help her close the gap with some of those voters who are still a little bit skittish about her. Peter, for those who say what are we getting, what is she giving, we dont know her, are they seeing, or is she delivering in a way that, to michaels point, she is not giving them crazy. Yeah, look, i think probably the most important thing for her is not necessarily what she said in todays speech, or what she said to you in your interview, but the fact that she gave the speech on the economy and the fact that she took questions from you, serious questions, substantive questions on the economy and she gave answers. I am sure that there are economic experts out there, particularly conservatives, to pick apart her answers and say what about this, what about that. She didnt really answer your question, for instance, about how she paid for a lot of her goals if she cant really raise corporate taxes the way she says she wants to. There are a lot of questions about if these are all good ideas, like going after companies that are gouging people on prices, why didnt she and the biden administration do that earlier when inflation was at 9 . You could find ways to pick apart the things that she said in there, but i think what is most important is to say that she does have a plan. And that is what a lot of voters wanted to hear. Because up until now they did not necessarily know she had one. They had not heard her talk about the things that mattered to her, the value she wanted to express, and that she could empathize with people who are struggling with the economy, even though the economy is doing pretty well by a lot of measurements. So i think the fact that is most important, the economy has been trumpeds strongest political area, according to most polls. But she has been closing that gap, and i think this is something that she can go out there and say i have taken the hard questions, ive outline my plan, i care about you and as you say, it is not about crazy or about i and me. But peter, isnt it funny when we say well, maybe we have a better understanding of what and where her values are. Right . The same thing you just said. What are Donald Trumps . We dont even know what they consistently are. I can say i know what Ronald Reagans work, i know what mitch mcconnells work, think about Donald Trump in the last week saying he wants to put a cap on credit cards. That is what a socialist would want to do. Lets talk about Donald Trump and crypto in the last week, embracing cryptocurrency, something he once thought was nonsense. Doesnt that get us back to this place but here we are analyzing and saying well, we now know where her values lie. Where are her opponents . Do we ever asked for that . Yeah, he is all over the map at times. He offered to pay for Everybodys Ivf Treatment across the board as a way of trying to deal with his problem on abortion rights, and that is a pretty expensive proposition, how does that fit into your economic plan . He did not really say. He doesnt really have an economic plan so much as saying i will make it better. It is not so much about a specific plan as saying i did it before, i will do it again. Nevermind that obviously his economy was not the greatest in the world, as he likes to claim. There were plenty of issues with it. It was a good economy, obviously, before covid, but he likes to exaggerate. He does not deal with the details. The only detail he really talks about consistently are tariffs, and of course he does not say that tariffs are an effective tax on consumers. Anybody Buying Foreignmade products has to pay more as a result of terrace. He likes to pretend that this is all about foreign countries paying us money as if they are giving us dues or something like that, that is not the way tariffs work. But that is The One go to he has, and it appeals to sort of a protectionist moment we have in our country right now, but it is not a big economic plan. He decided that a dissolution of childcare, he will apply tariffs to china. So youre right that he has not laid out a coherent, consistent, thought through and seriously she was trying to hit him. He is not a serious actor here. David, what was your take away . I agree with a lot of what peter said. I think she clearly understood the assignment and a lot of people will say finally, this is a serious speech that she delivered today, a serious interview she did with you. And i think this all stems from what we have seen in all of these polls over the last few weeks. You look at the nbc news, the cbs news, the new york times, the thing that comes to the surface and each of them is how much the american electorate cares about the economy, cares about high prices, of course, you know that, i know that, it is something we have talked about a lot. But we are seeing it in those data. So she is responding to that, she is responding to something else in the polls, this eagerness among the election to know more about her, no more about what motivates her and how she would govern, and picking up on what you are talking with peter about that Speech Yesterday the Donald Trump gate. You have to look at them and complement. I was amazed at the beginning he delivered at savannah, and he said at the top this is not a rally, this is a serious economic speech. He seemed to think he understood the assignment, as well, but it evolved that really quickly. Really quickly. Serious proposal. A concrete economic plan. Put that forward today. We now have. Tariffs on john deere, it would be crushing to the american consumer who buys their products and it would devastate a great american business. Michael, what is your take . I ask Vp Harris what is your take on despite all of this. Donald trump does not have a coherent plan. There have bandage huge economic wins. Donald trump still polls better with likely voters on how he will handle the economy. Im almost embarrassed to say it but is it because he kind of rolls like a boss . He talks like he knows business . Yeah. I think its a lot of that. We will forgive you of it. Its late. But in many respects its a combination of a number of things. That all sort of chain together around the same time that created a perception that the democrats have had some trouble overcoming. Despite the successes that they have had with infrastructure and the chips act and a host of other major legislative achievements that included and republicans support it and voted for it and i think part of it was the communication around those achievements in the very beginning. I think it was the nostalgia which every president regardless of how yucky they are get from the american people because we are nostalgic. Though it was last week, we will rewrite the history. And say it was actually a really good week. No. But we find the better way to look at it and absent anything that is more clarifying, that nostalgic Look Framing is going to stick. And that was the first 18 months of the biden administration, where there was a stark contrast that people were making between what they just come to, forgetting about covid. The death of Family Members and how the economy flat lined. And skipped all of that and went back to when gas was 2 a gallon. So i think now there is a little cleanup on aisle 9 has taken place. And they have turned some important corners. And i think a lot of that was helped by Joe Biden making the switch. And so, there was a reset and a refresh of the conversation. And kamala certainly has evidenced by your conversation with her today has a plan. And has laid that out. Now the country can look at that and i think there will be a greater contrast to the fact that Donald Trump has nothing. To offer them. And he has no way forward except Child Care is Child Care and well just put a tariff on it. He did cut peoples taxes and for a lot of folks who say the government does nothing for me, they can point to the fact they got their taxes lowered. That expires next year, but The One group that remains interesting to me, our Union Workers, im right here In Pittsburgh. Obviously a steel town. Donald trump connected with Union Workers in 2016 on an emotional level but from a Policy Perspective he did nothing and they have had huge wins under President Biden. So why do you think Vice President harris though she has a great deal of union support, not as much as President Biden had. She didnt get the teamsters endorsement. I asked her what the reasoning was, what they told her. She didnt really answer that question. Why do you think she doesnt have it . Trump puts on a show. But they saw what he does. He didnt help them. Yeah, i think teamsters has bad leadership right now. I think the teamsters, i think he is trying to please everybody. Listen, a lot of Rank Tand Fil folks in unions, especially in the building trades want to give the middle finger to the system. And Donald Trump got that. He marketed that. He is all about giving the middle finger to the institution that makes america work. So she will have plenty of union support. I predict she will end up with a very strong pro Union Vote before all is said and done. I am so sick of the media saying she need to be specific. I want to ask them how drill, drill, drill makes sense. How deportation will solve any problems and how across the Ow Board tariffs will do anything but cause inflation, if the media doesnt get him tied down on that with specifics i dont want to hear another word about how she needs to be more specific. Well, we asked for an interview, well see what happens. Thank you all very, very much. You can catch my full interview with the Vice President on our youtube page. Well be right back. Utube page well be right back. My moderate to severe crohns symptoms kept me out of the picture. With skyrizi,. Feel significant Symptom Relief at 4 weeks. Many people were in remission at 12 weeks, 1 year,. And even at 2 years. Serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections. Or a lower ability to fight them may occur. 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