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But she was perfect for me. Craig melvin and when her daughter became a mom, life itself seemed perfect, but not for long. Dayna herroz called the sergeant, and said, please, tell me that this isnt true. He said, i cant. Craig melvin but who wanted her daughter dead . She had lovers, not enemies. Josh mankiewicz how did tori describe her relationship . Friends with benefits. Craig melvin the question for police, which friend was the father, and which the killer . Josh mankiewicz it doesnt seem as if she always made the best choices in men. No. Hello, and welcome to dateline. Single mom Tori Vienneau was surrounded by love. In addition to her baby, dean, she had a boyfriend, a Best Friend, and a mother who adored her. The Grown Ups worked as a team caring for dean, but when tragedy struck, Toris Mother realized the only way left to help was to fight for justice. Heres Josh Mankiewicz with complicated. Josh mankiewicz in some families, the birth of a child can change everything. Dayna herroz i wouldnt have cared if we had a boy or a girl, but it was going to be nice to have a little boy. Josh mankiewicz Dayna Herroz was over the moon when her first grandchild was born. Dean Robert Springstube came into this world on september 26, 2005, weighing 7 pounds, stretching out to 20. 5 inches. Dayna herroz he was beautiful. I was madly in love with him. Josh mankiewicz her husband, roy, felt the same way. You were charmed. Roy herroz i was absolutely charmed, yes. Josh mankiewicz the babys mother, daynas daughter, Tori Vienneau, was just 21, and not ready for the challenges of parenthood. But as Baby Dean grew from a newborn into a happy infant with a sweet smile, tori grew, as well. Dayna herroz he was something that we didnt know we were missing, until he came, and he was one big, Fat Ball of love. And he opened up my daughter. Its like you could just see her heart go huge. It was a beautiful sight to see, watching her become a mom. I think every mom should be able to see that with their child. Josh mankiewicz all of that joy turned to horror on the evening of july 26, 2006. Josh mankiewicz we tell a lot of sad stories here on dateline. And while this one isnt easy to tell, it might make you think about the relationship you have with your kids or your parents. What happened here in San Diego turned a happy Mother And Grandmother into a fighter, who now wants the world to know what happened to her family. Because, she says, there are lessons here. Theyre about life, about trust, and theyre about the choices we make. And what shes learned might be a gift to Someone Elses family. Before we go ahead here, i want to ask you something. Are you sure you want to do this . Yes. Yes. Because this isnt going to be pleasant. Mmhmm, but i think its important. I think its important to do. Tori could have been any girl. Josh mankiewicz but of course, she wasnt any girl. She was daynas. Dayna Herroz Tori was the perfect daughter for me. She wasnt perfect, but she was perfect for me. And from the minute she was born, we were two peas in a pod. She was perfectly flawed, i believe. Most mothers probably would argue that their daughters dont have any flaws. Theyre perfect. No, she had flaws. Josh Mankiewicz Dayna says tori would get so focused on a goal that she sometimes ignored signs of problems along the way. Stubborn. Yeah. And it doesnt seem as if she always made the best choices in men. No. Theres a flaw there. Josh Mankiewicz Toris Best Friend Daniel Moen remembers how tori always seemed to fall for the wrong guy. What kind of guys was she going out with . To me, they werent they werent stable guys. Bad boys . Kind of, yeah. Guys that werent that nice to her . Yeah. Not nice to her, and probably, not nice in general. Maybe that shouldnt be a surprise, given that our relationships as adults often reflect The Ones we witness as children. Tori was barely two when her father left and cut all ties with her and dayna. And though stepdad, roy, filled his shoes later on and certainly loved her, tori spent years dealing with her mothers issues. Dayna herroz ill say this from the jump. Im a recovering alcoholic, and up until she was 16, her life was fairly normal, and then, i crashed. I think ive always been an alcoholic, but it came to a head at this point. Although you were drinking, you were functioning. Dayna herroz i was functioning, but then, i could no longer function. And then, what . Dayna herroz and then, i just couldnt stop. I woke up, and i had a drink, and id take my daughter to school. Drunk. Yeah. Yeah. Josh mankiewicz as many children of alcoholics do, tori helped her mother cover up the drinking. Hiding bottles. Denying there was a problem. And for a while that worked, but at 16, tori felt she couldnt take it anymore. Dayna Herroz Tori said, i love you, but i hate you when you drink, and i will not watch you destroy your life. And i found a place for you to interview for recovery home, and you get one shot. And if you fail at this, im not coming back. I need my mom back. That had to feel good, knowing that whatever mistakes you might have made you had raised a daughter who had that kind of backbone. I was very proud of her. Josh mankiewicz and so dayna went off to rehab for nearly a year. Roy moved away to deal with the Familys Collapse in his own way. And tori, still in High School, lived with friends, worked as a waitress. When dayna emerged nine and a half months later dry and sober, it was toris turn to be proud. Dayna herroz i wanted her to see that you could stand back up when you fall. And you could get your life back together, put our marriage back together, put our family back together. Josh mankiewicz over the next few years, Tori And Dayna became closer than ever. Then one day, tori came home with some news of her own. Dayna herroz she kept hemming and hawing, and i said, just spit it out and tell me, and well deal with whatever it is. And she said, im pregnant. Josh mankiewicz it should have been the beginning of a happy new chapter in the lives of both mother and daughter, but sometimes, as we told you earlier, the birth of a child can change everything. Craig melvin coming up, and so can a Phone Call Dayna Herroz he said, havent the police contacted you . And i said, why would the police be calling me . When dateline continues. When you have moderate to severe eczema, its okay to show off. With dupixent, show off your clearer skin and less itch. Because you have plenty of reasons to show off your skin. With dupixent, the 1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, you can stay ahead of your eczema. It helps block a key source of inflammation inside the body that can cause eczema to help heal your skin from within. 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Most times, he was my Best Friend. Really . Yeah. I mean, i watched him every day while everyone was at work. Josh Mankiewicz Dayna was amazed and amused by the Threeway Child Care that tori had figured out. The three of them were comical, and dean was just filled with love. Josh mankiewicz but by the summer of 2006, when Baby Dean was 10 months old, Tori And Neil had broken up. Daniel had moved home with his mom. Though, he continued to help out daily with deans care. Mother and baby were living in Lowincome Housing in a rough part of San Diego, but even so, Grandma Dayna still thought life was good. The last time you saw them was, you were in the pool together. Mmhmm. She had gotten into a bikini, and she was very proud of that. Josh mankiewicz she lost the baby weight. Dayna herroz yeah. And daniel was in the pool with dean, and roy was in the pool with dean. And dean had learned how to splash. He realized it was his hand that was making the water splash, and he would just roar with laughter, and thought it was just the funniest thing. And i said, isnt our life perfect . Weve come full circle. Doesnt that sound like music from heaven when he laughs . Josh mankiewicz that was what day . That was sunday sunday. The 23rd of july. Josh mankiewicz three days later, on a wednesday night, dayna was struck by a News Story about a mother and her baby. That night i saw on the news that, i think, they said a mother that was 27 and a child that was eight months had been murdered. Reporter one of the roommates came home to the Southcrest Complex just before 9 00, and found Dayna Herroz i said a prayer for that family. Thought, that is horrible. Went to bed. Thought nothing more of it. Josh mankiewicz but the next day, dayna got a call from toris workplace. She hadnt shown up. She called daycare. Baby Dean Wasnt there. So she called Daniel Moen, who was with Tori And Dean nearly every day. And daniel, in an almost matter of fact way, told dayna the worst News Shed ever heard. He said, havent the police contacted you . And i said, why would the police be calling me . And he said, the Mother And Child on the news Last Night was Tori And Dean. Josh mankiewicz it was too terrible to hear. Dayna herroz i was engulfed in heat. And i know when i went back to the phone, the line was dead. Josh Mankiewicz Dayna called police to find out more. They confirmed the news that both her Daughter And Grandson were dead. They held back the details because it was a gruesome crime, but soon enough, dayna would hear it on the news. Tori had been beaten. Both she and 10monthold Baby Dean had been strangled. Dean was still in his crib. I called the sergeant and said, please, tell me that this isnt true. He said, i cant tell you that. And then, the nightmare began. Josh mankiewicz by the time dayna had learned what had happened to her Baby Grandson and her daughter, police had already gone through the Apartment Dusting for prints, searching for dna, looking for anything that might explain this Double Murder. First of all, what could you tell from the Crime Scene . Just that it appeared to be a violent assault. Josh Mankiewicz Lieutenant Kevin Rooney supervises the San Diego police homicide unit. There was no forced entry into the apartment, but it wasnt uncommon for tori and her two roommates to leave the door unlocked. Sexual assault. Robbery. What do you guys think . She was clad with a bra, but there were some tears to her clothing. So at the beginning, yeah, we were open to the possibility that maybe it was an intruder who had attempted to rape her. But if this was an attempted rape that went wrong, why kill a 10monthold Child who wasnt going to be able to testify. Exactly. I mean, a 10monthold Boy who doesnt speak. Josh mankiewicz right away, The Cops started bringing in toris friends. You didnt kill her, did you . No. Wednesday night you talked to her. I talked to her wednesday night. Yes. Josh Mankiewicz Toris Best Friend daniel, The One who had taken such good care of Baby Dean, was also brought downtown. Its your typical interrogation. Little, tiny room. Yeah. Little, tiny room. Light on me. Talking. What did police ask you . They asked me where i was. Josh mankiewicz take your fingerprints . Daniel moen yes. Confiscate your Cell Phone. Yes. Did you feel like a suspect . I didnt feel like a suspect the first night, no. That changed. That changed big time, yeah. Craig Melvin Dateline returns after the break. Craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. So he sublet half his real Estate Office to a pet shop. Theres a smarter way to save. Comcast business mobile. You could save up to an incredible 70 on your wireless bill. So you dont have to compromise. Powering smarter savings. Powering possibilities. Switch to comcast Busines Internet and mobie and find out how to get te latest 5g Phone on s with a qualifying tradei. Dont wait call, click or visit an xfinity store today. Josh mankiewicz Tori And Dean were gone. San Diego Detectives were piecing together toris life. Her mother, dayna, was planning a double final farewell. How do you get through a funeral for your only child and her brand new baby . Dayna herroz in a daze. In a daze. Did you think about drinking, again . Never. Because it seems like that would be a time when you would think about it. I would never dishonor her that way. I made mistakes when she was growing up with my drinking. I wasnt going to make them in death. Josh mankiewicz but dayna was aching. She bought 43 books on grieving, hoping in vain that one would yield a clue to living through the brutal murder of a Daughter And Grandson. She also looked for answers from the San Diego police, but didnt find them there, either. They told her they were working the case, but nothing more, which is typical police procedure. Frustrating . Extremely. And that made you angry. I was angry from probably, week two. I felt that they were sweeping Tori And Dean under the carpet. Josh mankiewicz so this grieving Mother And Grandmother decided she had to do something. Maybe, what she did was a form of therapy, or maybe it was just that she needed to scream something at someone at the top of her lungs. Were not going away. Were just getting bigger, and were getting louder. Josh mankiewicz she organized candlelight vigils. She worked with groups like Crime Stoppers and put out Playing Cards with Tori And Deans photos. Cards that said, please, call if you know anything. And in frustration, dayna held a Press Conference Right in front of the headquarters of the San Diego police. Nobody deserves to die this way, and certainly not an infant who could not get away. He couldnt speak. He was a baby. Josh mankiewicz all along, she kept calling lieutenant Kevin Rooney, asking for details. And he wasnt giving up anything. Kevin rooney when were investigating a murder, there were many details, progress that we wont reveal. Dayna was very angry, and i understand it. And she feels like you guys are getting nowhere. Oh, she was very upfront about that. Josh mankiewicz of course, police were making progress, but progress in a real homicide rarely happens as quickly as it does in a tv crime drama. Subpoenas have to be issued for things like Cell Phone records and computer hard drives, and all of that would take weeks, if not months, to come in. What police did learn quickly about tori was that she didnt seem to have any enemies. She did, however, lead a very complicated life. Tori was juggling not just work and motherhood, but also, three men. Her boyfriend, neil springstube, her pal, Daniel Moen, and an old boyfriend, Dennis Potts. The cops quickly established that neil was in florida at the time of the murders so that left two. Just give me a brief sort of capsule of each one of them. Dennis potts knew tori since High School. They attended the same High School. They had what was described as a not exclusive relationship. For whatever reason, they were constantly drawn back to one another, and did have a sexual relationship that existed over the years since High School. Josh mankiewicz Daniel Moen never qualified as a boyfriend. Maybe he was too nice or just, too shy. Daniel knew her for a long time from when they had an earlier job together. He described them as Best Friends, but he wanted more. I believe he loved her, and he wanted a romantic relationship with her. And you knew that, that sometimes made daniel, if not angry, at least unhappy. It sure seemed as, though, of the three people, the three men in her life, he seemed to be The One on the outside looking in. Josh mankiewicz however, in the weeks before tori was killed, things were beginning to change between tori and daniel. She seemed open to the possibility of making their relationship more than just friends, but she wasnt sold on it. She wasnt quite as into that whole idea as you were. I dont think so, no. That bother you . No, not really. I dont believe you. I was upset that she also still talked to dennis and other people, but i knew how she was before so i kind of had to accept her how she was. Josh Mankiewicz Daniel had spent years being forgiving of toris weaknesses. Despite that loyalty, dayna told Detectives Something didnt seem right to her about daniel. Specifically, how he knew so much so soon about the murders. You had to, during that time, sort of flash back to how much more daniel was into tori than tori was into daniel. Dayna herroz and it scared me the way that he knew that they were dead, and the way that he told me they were dead. That kind of scared me, is what i told the police. Josh mankiewicz and in turn, police made sure daniel knew he was in their sights. The cops start coming at you pretty hard. Yes. Frightening . After they told me that i was the main suspect, yeah, a little frightening. They said you were the main suspect . I believe, i was the only suspect at that time. Josh mankiewicz with the pressure on, daniel told The Cops, he didnt do it, and he wanted to help find out who did. He shared with them, these unusual Text Messages he received from tori a little before 7 00 pm that night. Daniel said it was soon after he got back to work from a break. It was also around the time police believed Tori And Dean were killed. Thats why i left my phone with them that night because i said i got a lot of texts before, some scary guy. I dont know if that has anything to do with it. Josh mankiewicz theres some scary Guy Standing by my car looking into my place, read one. Daniel told the police that was odd because tori didnt think of her shared apartment as her place. He also told detectives about another text he thought was even stranger. Dean was sleeping like a dead dog. She said that dean was sleeping like a dead dog . Yeah. Was that the way she talked . No, not at all. In an age demographic, which has reduced to Text Messages, emotions as complex and different as love and hate, desire and friendship, tori texted words to daniel are suddenly full of mystery. She texts you at one point, i love you. I want to be with you. And then she says, my plans with dennis fell through. Why dont you come over . Yeah. And thats funny because i never knew that they were going to meet. Josh Mankiewicz Tori had told daniel she was going to see her mom, dayna, that evening, but in reality, she was going out to dinner with Dennis Potts, her old flame from High School. The third man in her life. 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Josh mankiewicz the Police Investigation of the Double Murder of a mother and her child had focused on two men, toris Best Friend, Daniel Moen, and her old boyfriend, Dennis Potts. Tori had Met Dennis in High School in bonita, california. A Welloff Enclave Southeast of San Diego known for its Golf Course and horse trails. Theyd gone out for a few months their senior year, even though they didnt run in the same circles. Denniss father was a corporate executive. His mother a realtor. Toris Father Wasnt around, and her mom was in rehab. Denise gunter went to High School there at the same time. Denise gunter it was a richie rich school, in my opinion. I was among the middle class, i guess, but it was definitely, a middle to more wealthy High School. Josh mankiewicz in that rarefied world, Dennis Potts stood at the top. In High School that means money, new cars, prestige. Tori didnt have any of those. Denise Gunter Tori saw the idea of somebody who was popular in school or the idea of somebody who had it well off, and maybe thats what attracted her to dennis. Josh mankiewicz while their Dating Relationship didnt last, their sexual relationship did. On again, off again. It survived both High School and several other relationships. How did tori describe her relationship with Dennis Potts . Pretty much, just, i guess, friends with benefits. They would sort of Hook Up this was back in High School and then afterwards. Yeah. High school, yeah, and then all the way through as long as i knew her for. He was always sort of there in the background. Correct. Yes. Josh mankiewicz he was apparently in the background when tori was living with neil. In fact, once a Paternity Test showed that toris then boyfriend, neil springstube, wasnt Baby Deans father, tori told her mother it must be dennis. Dayna herroz so they did a mailin Paternity Test to the same place that her neil did, and the results came back that Dennis Wasnt the father. Did that make sense to you . No. Josh mankiewicz so tori asked dennis for another test. The results were the same. Dennis was not the father. And she calls me at work, and shes hysterical. And then, she said dennis wants neil to take another test because he thinks he falsified it. And i said, tori, neil wanted nothing more than to be deans father. He wouldnt falsify a Paternity Test. Theres something wrong with dennis. Josh Mankiewicz Dayna urged tori to go to court and have a Judge Order a Paternity Test, but tori was reluctant. Dayna herroz she didnt want to hurt anyone else. She said, i already hurt neil, and i chose to have dean, and i dont have the right to ruin anyone elses life. Ive already ruined neils. And and your answer was, ok, theres Somebody Else whos responsible here. Dayna Herroz Roy stepped up, and said, honey, this isnt about you. This is about dean. Josh mankiewicz and so tori agreed. Shed ask Dennis Potts for a third test. Josh Mankiewicz Police were also talking to dennis. Two days after the murders, Dennis Potts came downtown to have a conversation in that same small room in which Daniel Moen had spent so much time. Where did Dennis Potts say he was that night . He said that he had spent the time frame that would include the time of the murder between 5 00 in the afternoon and 8 00 in the evening at a friends house. A fellow by the name of Max Corn. And you checked with Max Corn. We did. And he backed that up . He vouched for him. End of story . No. No. Far from it. Cops know there arent that many reasons why people kill, and often it boils down to one of three things. Love, pride, money. Josh mankiewicz to police, Unrequited Love looked like a possible motive for Daniel Moen, but maybe Pride Or Money figured into a possible motive for Dennis Potts. And Josh Mankiewicz what did Dennis Potts tell you about his paternity and the whole issue of Child Support . He claimed he had only had sex with her one time during the period that she probably would have conceived the child. He used a condom during that encounter. Denied being the dad. Said he was supportive of toris efforts to figure out who the father was. Josh mankiewicz did you buy that . Well just to be on the safe side, we asked him for a Dna Sample that we could use for comparison. Josh Mankiewicz Dayna had long been suspicious of Dennis Potts because she believed dennis had somehow manipulated those Paternity Tests. In her Frustration And Hearing nothing from Lieutenant Rooney or his investigators, she went to Tv Station Kfmb and gave them a tip. One that would become big news as soon as it ran on tv, check out a guy named Dennis Potts. So you put denniss name out there. Yes, i did. Josh mankiewicz with that information, a producer from kfmb went to the home where dennis lived with his parents. Reporter where was he the night of the murder . He was right here. Reporter didnt he have a date with her that night . Woman shut the door [door slam] Josh Mankiewicz and the police come to see you, Lieutenant Rooney. Mmhmm. Josh mankiewicz and youre thinking, what, hes going to give you a big thank you. Uhhuh. And what did you get instead . Very angry. Josh mankiewicz and you were not happy. No. No. Not at all. I said, i cant have these details out there, and if it means, i dont tell you another thing until this thing is resolved one way or another, thats what ill do. Because my obligation is to your daughter and her son. Did she understand that . I think she did. Josh mankiewicz they hadnt solved the case, but rooneys Crime Lab did solve one issue. Dayna had been right. That a test ordered by police or the courts would come out differently. Dennis Potts Dna proved he was the father of Baby Dean, and his dna didnt match the Dna Sample that had been sent to the mail order Paternity Testing company. The Crime Lab said that Dna Sample came from Someone Else. Kevin rooney it was his friend, Max Corn, who vouched for him being at his house during the time frame that we believe tori was murdered. That had to make you very suspicious. Absolutely. And soon, another promising lead, Text Messages to tori on the day she was murdered. Coming up Kevin Rooney it just seems so out of left field to care whether shes alone at her apartment. Craig melvin when dateline continues. [coughs] when caroline has a cough, she takes robitussin. So, she can have those one on ones again. Hey jim can we talk about Casual Fridays . Oh sure. Whats up . 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Dayna herroz spent time with her Daughter And Grandson at the cemetery. Hi, my angel babies. Josh mankiewicz she wasnt close to being able to move on. Im sorry. I didnt protect you. Josh mankiewicz but police had moved on. Daniel moen was no longer a suspect. Investigators were now focused on Dennis Potts. The Prime Suspect continued to live at home with his parents and a fiancee, and to spend much of his time with the man who was his alibi for the murders, Max Corn, his Best Friend. They even got matching tattoos. Lieutenant Kevin Rooney and his team kept working the case. When the Cell Phone records finally came in, detectives were able to see how toris last day had taken shape. What did you learn about what toris plans were for that evening . It was her belief that dennis had made reservations at georges at the cove, a very nice restaurant in la jolla. She had arranged for a babysitter that she was going to drop dean off to. And there was this exchange of calls and Text Messaging that went on. Some of which we were able to recover. Josh mankiewicz all along, dennis had maintained he and tori never did see Each Other that night, and never intended to. Josh mankiewicz their texts told a different story. A little before noon on the day she died, tori texted dennis, ok, ill see you at 5 00. Are you bringing my surprise . What is it . His Response Isnt known, but the texting continued. At 1 47, she wrote, can i be casual in jeans . At 4 32 she wrote, you still coming . He wrote right back, duh, ill be there at 5 15. You home alone . She seemed giddy in the words that she used. Excited about going out to dinner, and that he said that he had a present for her, and that it was in the car. And then, of course, asked, are you alone . In retrospect, it just seems so out of left field and inappropriate to care whether shes alone at her apartment. Josh mankiewicz the Homicide Team also learned a little more about where dennis was. Again, from his Cell Phone records. Kevin Rooney Dennis said that nobody else had his phone, nobody else used his phone, and he was with Max Corn from 5 00 until 8 00 at night. Was his phone at Max Corns house . I dont think so. His phone moved around between 5 00 and 8 00. There were a number of calls that were made that did not use the Cell Site in benita, where Max Corns home was. And the Last Call that was made used a Cell Tower in national city. That was very close to toris apartment. Josh mankiewicz if dennis had his phone and his Phone Pinged off a tower near toris apartment, then police say he couldnt have been at Max Corns all night. So police applied pressure to max. Josh mankiewicz Denise Gunter remembers how in High School, Max And Dennis were well known for watching Each Others backs, and for not taking high School Life too seriously. Denise Gunter Max and dennis, i would say that overall, there wasnt a lot of accountability. It was kind of do what youd like, and well deal with the consequences later. Josh mankiewicz it was at denniss Parents House that police finally found the break they needed. We eventually ended up serving a Search Warrant on their home to recover some items, a computer and some other things. Josh mankiewicz when they dug into denniss hard drive, they found internet searches he had done. Searches that told them what Dennis Potts was thinking, and when. On june 24, dennis asks the internet for help on this topic, committing murder. June 26, one month to the day before the murders, dennis searches, courtordered Paternity Test procedure. Later that same day, he asks for Information On, how to cheat a swab Paternity Test. Two days later, dennis wants to know the best way to kill someone. Two days after that, hes asking about getting away with murder. July 7, dennis looks up Information On getting out of Child Support. July 19, performing chokehold. And later, how to kill someone. July 25 at 4 16 in the afternoon, dennis Searches Cyberspace again. His topics, knocking someone unconscious and knocking someone in the head. The next day was july 26, 2006. Tori and dean were murdered. Craig melvin coming up, an arrest, a trial, and a dramatic order from a judge Dayna Herroz he left the bench, came back, and you could tell hed been crying. Craig melvin when dateline continues. Introducing New Advil targeted relief. The only topical Pain Reliever with 4 powerful painfighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. For up to 8 hours of powerful relief. New advil targeted relief. Everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. They want that hollywood white smile. New sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24 7 sensitivity protection. I think its a great product. 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And actually, as you probably know by now, testified to that during the trial. Josh mankiewicz on the stand, dennis told the jury he thought Baby Dean looked like him, and said he suspected that if he didnt do something, he was going to have to deal with the obvious. I dont want to use the term buying some time, but i needed to figure out what i was going to do here, as far as raising a child or making Child Support payments. Josh Mankiewicz Dennis tried to explain away the online searches. Saying he was interested in esoteric topics like Mixed Martial Arts that involve knocking someone unconscious. He said hed written a paper about euthanasia for a Community College Class once, and thought hed like to write one on murder next, so he typed in how to kill someone, committing murder, and getting away with it. The problem was that Dennis Wasnt in school at the time, and hadnt signed up for any sort of writing class. On the stand, dennis also denied being a Double Murderer. I never thought about killing tori, no, or dean in any sense. Its not usually a thought that comes into anyones head. I mean, not any sane person. Josh mankiewicz whats wrong with the theory that Dennis Potts didnt want to be responsible for this child because it would embarrass him in front of his family, and in front of his girlfriend, and it wasnt his plan, and he didnt want to spend the money, and he did everything he could to fake a couple of Paternity Tests, and now when it looked like tori was going to agitate for a test that was going to be pretty much bulletproof, it pushed him too far, and he killed her. I never disputed that, that was a strong theory by the prosecution. What i argued was that there was a stronger reasonable suspicion that Someone Else actually committed the murders, and that was Daniel Moen. Josh mankiewicz Kerry Armstrong argued at trial that Daniel Moen had even more motive. That he was in love with tori, but that she had rejected him. Despite that he helped her out with Baby Dean, that he came over every day to bring him to daycare, and used his money to buy baby supplies. And of course, all of that was true, even the love, and maybe even the rejection. At trial, the defense said that you did it. I was their scapegoat. Hard to hear . Very hard to hear. Josh mankiewicz but daniel had an alibi that, unlike The One given by Dennis Potts, didnt rely on the word of a close friend. Heres daniel on the Store Security Camera at work the night of the murders. And his Cell Phone pinged on the tower near where he worked. Daniel was never charged. In the end, it was clear, he wasnt guilty of killing both a woman and a baby he loved. Woman we, the jury, in the above entitled cause find the defendant, dennis michael potts, guilty of the crime of murder. Josh mankiewicz a jury believed all the guilt rested with Dennis Potts. Dennis Potts Family has plenty of money. Whatever Child Support tori was asking for certainly wasnt going to break them. Better to commit murder than just pay the money . Maybe he was too smart for his own good. Maybe he thought it was going to work. Maybe he really just didnt want to be attached to whether it be tori or a son for the next 18 years. He had a girl that was in route to becoming his fiancee, and it was a nice little thing to do on the side, but i think it got a lot more complicated. Josh mankiewicz and there might have been more to denniss plan. Remember those strange Texts Daniel received the day of the murders . Police think that was dennis, who had already killed Tori And Dean, using Toris Phone to lure daniel to the scene. What would have happened if daniel had shown up . Thats something only dennis knows. Man theres no question that they lied. Josh mankiewicz in a separate trial, Max Corn was found guilty of conspiracy to obstruct justice and sentenced to three years. Dennis potts was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole, which is exactly what Toris Mother wanted. Dayna herroz before this, i believed in the death penalty. I would have been gung ho for this guy to get the death penalty. Not anymore. Too easy. Too easy. You want him to live with this. Absolutely. Josh mankiewicz at sentencing, dayna gave the judge a photograph of Tori And Dean together in their casket. We are not showing that to you here. Dayna wants to make sure that photo hangs in Dennis Pottss cell for the rest of his life. She requested exactly that from the trials judge. He left the bench, came back, and you could tell hed been crying after seeing the photo. Was wiping his eyes. Said, its so ordered. Josh mankiewicz Dayna Herroz not only came to understand why the investigation took so long, and to appreciate everything Lieutenant Rooney did, she became a victims advocate. Dayna won awards for helping other families of murdered children through their darkest days. In 2023, the year Baby Dean would have turned 18, dayna told me shed decided it was time to retire, and take care of herself. She believed, thats what tori would want. Tickle daddy. Josh mankiewicz Daniel Moen now has a child of his own, yet finds himself still missing that first baby that came into his life. Daniel moen i think about dean a lot when im playing with my own daughter. To think what he could have been. He never got to start talking or really getting out and walking and doing all those things. So every time my daughter does something new to me, i think, what would he have been like when he was getting to that age . Josh Mankiewicz Dayna still struggles with her own guilt, after pushing her daughter to take dennis to court for that Paternity Test. She would have let that go, wouldnt she . She would have let it go, yeah. Shed still be here. Now, i know theres no way you could have known what was coming next. No. Josh mankiewicz she would rather believe theres a more spiritual reason for what happened. Dayna herroz i believe theyre in heaven, and and i believe that god called them home, and i think dean came to take his mom home. And our children are on loan to us. I just forgot that. Josh Mankiewicz Dayna says she tries to remember only the happy times. The joy she experienced so briefly of being a grandmother. How they died, she says, was just a moment. How they lived is what she wants to remember. Thats all for this edition of dateline. Im craig melvin. Thank you for watching. Good morning, and welcome