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Unprecedented campaign, a fact that is not lost on Vice President kamala harris, who had this warning for a Capacity Crowd of more than 10,000 People Last Night in madison, wisconsin. This is not 2016 or 2020, the stakes are even higher, because remember, two months ago, the United States Supreme Court basically told the former president that he will effectively be immune, no matter what he does in the White House. Think about that, just imagine, Donald Trump with no guardrails. He, who has vowed to be a dictator on day one, he, who has called for quote, the termination of the constitution of the united states of america. On the republican side, this critical moment seems to be bringing out some deeply, ugly, and racist tactics and rhetoric that do not at first glance appear to have much strategic value at all. On friday, Donald Trump addressed the israeliamerican counsel, warning that if he loses the election, it is the jews that will be partly to blame. Just watch. I did all of these things. I dont know the democratic Code Or Curse on you, you cant let this happen. 40 is not acceptable, in my opinion, the jewish people will have a lot to do with the loss if i am at 40 . That language has raised fears that Donald Trump supporters could be incited against jews amid a period of rising political violence. In edison to Scapegoating Jewish voters, trump also assailed the muslim community in the same speech, vowing to reinstate the muslim ban if he returned to office, which was not the only attack against muslims this week. On tuesday, during a hearing on hate crimes, Louisiana Senator John Kennedy verbally attacked meyer barry, the Executive Director of the arab american institute, despite her clear rejection of hamas, kennedy accused her of supporting the group, and then told the muslim community leader, who was providing expert testimony to quote, go hide her head in a bag. Meanwhile, neither trump nor his running mate, ohio senator j. D. Vance, have backed down from the exhausting lies among haitian migrants eating pets in springfield, ohio, even as the world watches the town buckle under threats of violence that have closed its schools, locked down its hospitals, and shuttered it city hall. Beth continue to attack springfields Haitian Population this week as illegal, despite the fact that they are here under government sanctioned program called temporary protective status, tps , not illegal at all. He pushed unfounded claims that they are spreading infectious diseases like hiv, a trope that has been used regularly against patients. This kind of talk, the jews are to if we lose, the muslim women should put their head in a back, the haitians are not just eating your pets, but spreading aids , this kind of talk can get people killed. History has demonstrated that. On friday, springfields mayor, robert, took the extraordinary step of invoking temporary powers to address the rising public safety concerns and the states republican governor, mike dewine, who still supports Trump And Vance, and blames the internet, not them, for spreading these lies, published an oped, officially begging them to stop targeting this town. Lets take a step back. It is exhausting, isnt it, trying to keep up with all of this hate . It is hard to imagine what Trump And Vance are gaining from it, because strategically, does not make sense to alienate so many different groups when trying to win a general election, unless, unless that is the only way you know to turn out your base, unless you help build a movement around division. Replaced Demagoguery Proposals with an us versus them narrative. Nativist rhetoric has become their entire strategy, their only strategy. Effectively declaring war on anyone who is not white, male, or christian, which again does not make strategic sense, because the majority of americans are not actually white, male, and christian. The Frequency And Severity of these attacks is only increasing as trumps Poll Numbers drop. Instead of course correcting, Trump And Vance are doubling down on scapegoating vulnerable groups, perhaps because that is the only political tactic that Donald Trump actually knows. And so, it follows that as trumps and vance falter, their taxes grow uglier and threaten to consume us all. The more desperate they become, the more dangerous they are to the rest of us, as the gop sinks deeper and deeper into the mud, an increasing number of conservatives are realizing that they no longer have a political hold. Just this week, more than 100 highprofile republicans endorsed Vice President kamala harris, warning in a letter that there candidates pick is quote, unfit to serve again. The republican disarray is not a cause for celebration. Having only one functioning political party is dangerous for, democracy. He writes quote, failed states are dangerous. They are inherently unstable. They are breeding grounds for ones legalism. Even if you live in an well functioning company country, having a failed border is field security. In the case of the republican party, this failed state is not sitting across the border, it is inside the house. At the end of the day, the republican partys problems are our problems too. Our democracy cannot be safe so long as the republican party is in disarray. And quote. For more on this, i am joined by president of the institute for the study of modern materialism, also Founder And Editor of the Un Populist on something. Professor of nyu, author of the lucid newsletter that follows threats of democracy and the Ark Alert Author of the book, strongman. Good morning to the both of you. Thank you for being with us. You are here because you have written about this a great deal. Recently you wrote quote, why do Trump And Vance continue to slip even deeper in the gutter . The simple answer, a campaign built on demagoguery has nowhere else to, especially when sleeping in the polls. It is based on an us versus them binary, where the us has to constantly rallied against the them. Fear mongering, resentment is baked into the cake and will be served up nonstop between now and november, and perhaps beyond end quote. Tell me more about this. Good morning, ali. Yes. I mean, we are in a populist moment and has written extensively about it. She is an expert on it. One of the things that categorizes a populist moment is that the dominant group decide that there is a social Out Group that is against its interest and the elites of the country are in cahoots with the social output. So, this is an inherently exclusionary movement. It cannot be inclusive. And the list of all the Out Groups are, continues to expand. You listed a whole bunch of them, jews, muslims , immigrants, illegal immigrants, especially dark skinned immigrants, they all become the enemy, and the reason you have to go after them is that, the elite will not stick up for the interest in the dominant group, in which case, dominant white male, and you need someone, a Strongman Figure that can pick up on these groups and stand against this corrupt elite, and that is what you are witnessing in this moment right now. Amazing, ruth, because we started the week with Senator John can in this hearing, in the united states senate, telling a muslim woman to put her head in a bag, a Reference One would assume, although one should not assume, because we dont know where he gets these things from, to a head covering. And we end the week with Donald Trump saying something that is deeply disturbing, if i lose the election, the jews will be to blame, or at least partly to blame, he said. The danger of both of these things, it is not about what the government will do, it is about what people will think and how they may act. Same thing with the haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio. It is what people may do to them because of the messaging of the belief. Yeah, and this is the basic of propaganda, which trump is the master of, and of course many of his enablers. Propaganda is not just about getting people to believe this or that individual life, even a big life like the 23 election. It is actually about changing the way people think about the world, and also themselves, and the associations they make. So, this is where trump has been hammering at immigrants, crime, disease, and of course having bring jews into the mix that already because propaganda works, it builds on narratives that people already accept. Many people already think jews are to blame for all kinds of things. Right . They are in control of things. That is in the mix too. One thing we know the history of authoritarianism, the leader and his cronies may have one group or two groups that they target at the beginning, but it inevitably expands, as i already said, to other groups. At for example, when the nazi built , the concentration camp, they built it for the first enemies of the left, socialist, communist, and in liberals, and then they put Jehovah Witnesses in, and then they put gay people, and then they put jews. Shikha, one of the things you talk about, Donald Trump when talking about immigrants, used the term, berman, and then started to get super specific about immigrants in springfield, ohio. Now, with kennedy telling this muslim woman to put her head in a bag, it is a part of a the humanization. We have seen it, as ruth has discussed with us, not just in nazi , germany, not just in italy, prior to World War ii, we have seen it in rwanda. It is surprisingly effective when you dehumanize people to get us to stop caring about them and move them to a place where they might be subject to attack. Right. Donald trump has comments about Mass Deportation rates against immigrants. Vances list of all the illegal immigrants who are worthy of deportation has grown youre not even legal immigrants like the haitians in springfield are actually illegal. What they want to convey is that there are some people, there are some groups who are so threatening to their american identity, they cannot inherently be a part of the american community, and haitians right now, and the group shifts. I mean, trump in his previous Term Targeted Members of, if you remember, those xwhole countries he deemed not worthy of being in the united states. Now, his rhetoric is getting more and more extreme because he wants to make sure that people understand that these people can never be real americans. They can never be you. It is always us versus them. That the division is continuing to grow and it will continue to grow, because that is the only way he can appeal to his white, as no base. Ruth, you are on my main indicator, whether democracy is slipping toward authoritarianism or not, but you studied these things, and there are actual indicators. There are actual measures that are used that you have in your brain, but the rest of us dont necessarily know. Where is the u. S. . When we worry about the fact that the u. S. Could slip down this road to authoritarianism, and we have seen this in democracies, including the u. N. , turkey, in hungry, where is the u. S. . Is there actually a danger that is measurable . Well, we are very unusual, because we only have the two parties, and it is a crisis. When you only have two parties, and one party has become effectively an autocratic party, dependent on propaganda, on corruption, on the threatened reality of violence, that is far greater danger than a multipart system. That is the other party, they dont have anywhere to go. So now, we have an interesting moment where there is the phenomena of republicans for terrace. The reason it is so dangerous for us is that it is escalating. That is the subject of this segment. It is no longer about just polarization, which is, me versus you, but we agree to disagree. It is now this active attempt to get people into a state of existential dread. So, it is me or you, and only One Of Us will survive the encounter. So, you are going to get disease. There is great Replacement Theory that you will be extinct, where trump says also, there will not be a country no more if you dont fight like hell, concluding with january 6th. We are in the face of active incitement and the dehumanization goes with that. We are far down the road, due to the strictures of our Party System come and the aggressiveness of the rhetoric right now. Thanks to both of you and the work you have both done on this. I dont know when you both started your work on authoritarianism, that you thought you would be asked Au Courant as you would be in this topic, was not something we talk about in america, now we talk about it every day. Shikha dalmia, president of the institute and the study of modern authoritarianism. Ruth benghiat, author of authoritarianism in the present. Coming up, a region on the edge, we will investigate the strategy behind israels recent attacks inside lebanon as the u. S. And regional players urge calm. 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Before that airstrike on friday, dozens were killed by Exploding Pagers and Walkie Talkies across lebanon, including some hezbollah members , and a 9 your older child. But Hezbollahs Leader has vowed revenge. Rocket sirens were activated just hours ago. Airspace is closed and residents have been advised to stay near shelters. The idf said, missiles were fired into israel, but no injuries have been reported so far. While we have been in this pattern of Fortat Retaliation between Israel And Hezbollah for months, this week feels like something of a shift. Israel Defense Minister justify defending his it really trips to Israeli Border shared with lebanon by saying, the war in the region is entering a quote, new phase. Meanwhile, Israels War on gaza wages on. Just this morning, at least 22 palestinians were killed by an israeli strike at a School Building In Gaza city, which houses thousands of displaced gazans. The idea Set Up at a Hamas Compound was located inside the building. Joining me now, Senior Editor at louisburg me thank you for joining us. Lets talk about what is going on in lebanon with the israeli attacks, and what the goal of these attacks would be. Generally speaking, had it not declared war, these types of things are supposed to discourage your adversary from doing something else, is that what we are seeing here . Well, you are right to say it does feel different from the sort of Fortat Exchange of Rocket Fire , attacks between Israel And Hezbollah that has been going on since October 7th. Since the Terrorist Attack that came from hamas in the south. This feels much more like preparation for a much larger operation. The exploding mobile devices, the walkietalkies, the pagers, that feels very much like a psychological operation, designed to put your enemy off their game, but to put uncertainty into them. The killing of abraham akhil, israel has been hitting a number of Hezbollah Rocket launches along the border. This feels like an attempt to degrade the enemy. These kinds of things, the grading of the enemy, this feels very much like a prelude to a much larger operation, whether that is the outbreak of an outright war, that is hard to tell, but this is much bigger than what was going on until a week ago. I heard you talking with Chris Hayes a couple of nights ago. Something you said caught my attention. Youve set it and people say its all the time, hezbollah, which operates out of lebanon, they are not hamas. They are two different things. They may share patrons, they may share certain goals that relate to israel, but the capabilities of hezbollah, which is getting deeper and deeper involved, are entirely different from those of hamas. Yes. Hamas is a terrorist organization and has with it describes as a military unit, but not like a Convention Military as we would regard the military, nothing like the military of a regular nation. Hezbollah, on the other hand, is much more wider. It has Tens Of Thousands of fighters, fighters that have previously fought wars against israel, fighters against entire divisions that have been actively fighting in syria for closing the nile for decades now. Combat veterans. It has enormous caches of ammunition, access to all the hardware of the israeli military, which includes tanks, which includes rockets, which includes Tens Of Thousands of rockets. It has received enormous supplies of missiles from iran. It is irans most powerful ally in the region. If israel goes into war with hezbollah, it will look completely different from what we have seen going on In Gaza. In gaza, it has been very, very onesided. You had October 7th, when hamas killed 8000 israelis or more, but since then, it has all been oneway. Gaza has flattened me and Tens Of Thousands have died for the casualties of the israeli side since October 7th is very, very small. A war with hezbollah would look much more evil. Israel still has much more superiority. It has allies like the united states and the western world, but hezbollah has the capacity to hurt Israel And Israeli this is something, israeli military has to keep in mind, but also, if leaders. Also, israelis will feel this war much more than they have felt In Gaza. As always, we are so grateful for your analysis. Bobby ghosh, Senior Editor at bloomberg. We will go live to lebanon on this quickly escalating situation. Plus, have another Trump Administration would manipulate the senses to make america seem wider than what it is. Todays inside Project 2025, breaking the senses and diluting the minority Voting Power. Worsening heart failure. So when i had carpal tunnel syndrome, lower back pain, and shortness of breath, i thought thats what getting older felt like. Thank goodness. I called my cardiologist. I have attrcm, a rare but serious disease. And getting diagnosed early. Made a difference. 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I want to draw your attention to an important programming note. Make sure to tune in tonight at 8 00 p. M. Eastern for a special Encore Presentation of from Russia With Lev. , an incredible documentary produced by my good Friend And Colleague rachel maddow. This takes us behind the scenes of the ukraine scheme that got former president Donald Trump impeached for the first time. His withholding of usaid, unless ukraine dug up Dirt Dirt on his political opponent, joe biden. There are things in here that ive covered the story really closely, and i did not know. The film features none other than this man, one of the central players involving Donald Trump, the former trump advisor, Lev Parnas. Following the Documentarys Premier on msnbc last night, i talked to him, which on the surface, appears to be a complex character, but whose complexities contributed to one of the darkest moments in u. S. History. Congratulations, my friend. Thank you, ali. It feels so great to have it out in the world. I have to ask you, did you like it . Not only did i like it, i was Set Up not to like it. If only for the reason that lev is a complicated character. It is a documentary about the complexity of lev. His Wife Talks about the complexity of lev, you talk about the complexity of lev. You have all those years ago. There is so much that i wanted to know about lev that i did not already know, and you stitched the whole thing together that makes me wish i knew all of this back then. It does matter that he is a very compelling person. You can tell this story in lots of different ways. You can tell the story from the perspective of Marie Yovanovitch, the ambassador you can tell from the perspective of president zelenskyy, the way he was extorted by trump, the crime against ukraine, at the heart of the impeachment, this culminating thing here, you can tell it from the perspective of Rudy Giuliani, you can tell it from the perspective of trump. Two tell it from the perspective of lev , obviously a very flawed person, very open about the fact that he has a background where he was a hustler. He was involved in organized crime, he came up in that environment. The whole reason that characters like Tony Audrey were going after him all those years is because he had all of these legal judgments and debts people were trying to collect from him. Definitely not a boy scout, but that is also a part of the story. That is a part of what is so amazing that he ended up in the White House, that he ended up being test tasked to do something by the president of the united states. And when you layer it on top of that, what i believe is genuine repentance, and the fact that is phone has terabytes of evidence about what all these people did, it is unlike any other story that i know of, from the whole trump era, or any of my time covering politics. The thing that makes this so great from the beginning, the degree in which lev leaves into the fact that he is a mop like character, and in some cases, actual mobsters were embedded into the Trump Administration, which makes you wonder, the conclusion ive come to after watching this, who is really calling the shots ring the Trump Administration, during this time that you cover . That is a part of a worrying thing. That is why it is not just a character flaw, it is a national Security Problem when you have got criminals involved in the u. S. Government. When the crooks take over the White House, that is not as bad for the american people, it is really bad for the crooks. It means anybody that is involved with people they should not be involved with, anyone involved in crimes also becomes susceptible to blackmail, to extortion, to doing all sorts of things that could pervert their work in what is supposed to be the public service. It is really bad to have crooks in charge. And in this case, in ukraine, the permeability of the White House, the fact that the guy who ran a nightclub called, Mafia Raid, in ukraine had access to the president of the united states was seen as being a fantastic piece of news for the kinds of guys who would know a guy who ran the Mafia Raid club in kyiv. Those sorts of characters should not have access to the american president , to the council of the american president , to the state department, to getting an ambassador fired who they wanted out of the way because she was anticorruption. Those sorts of people should not be able to do it, but that is how the Trump Administration ran. Had was a moment in the documentary when lev was relating the way in which he talked to Donald Trump about Marie Yovanovitch being the problem, the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine being the problem and needed to get rid of her, and how it literally Donald Trump looks over his shoulder and says, get rid of her, she is done. And you realize in that moment, the power that people like lev had in the Donald Trump circle. This is a real story about a fake story, essentially, and Lev Parnas was involved in creating the fake story, the part where he is in the control room, overseeing the story of the internal minister of foreign affairs, and he describes it well, old state Tiles Style Tv propaganda. You have spent so much time talking about the funnel of misinformation in america, and you basically have done a documentary about the funnel of misinformation. I mean, when lev says at one point in the film , i eventually realized that there wasnt anybody who fed us any piece of the story who was not either working for the russian government directly, or working for russian intelligence. This is a foreign Influence Operation to target the united states. The director of national intelligence has just said that russia is targeting our elections again in 2024 to try and get trump back in the White House is a part of their overall effort to try to harm and weaken the effort in the united states, using their best weapon against the united states, which they think is Donald Trump in power. They are doing it now, that is why we are seeing all of these indictments for example from the Justice Department in recent days. Famously, we all remember what they did in 2016 to try to get trump in power with the troll farms, wiki leaks, hacking the democratic party, clinton campaign, all of that stuff. That is 2016, 2024. In between what they did with lev. From Russia With Lev errors at 8 00 p. M. Again Tonight Right here on msnbc. It is a must watch. Every week here on velshi we hold Project 2025 two account, taking you inside this 920 page manifesto. It is two with books for me, by the way. Next up, we turn to chapter 21, the department of commerce. Not necessarily something we think about all the time and we will expose its plans to politicize the census count. O every thursday. Help Fuel Today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. So, heres to now. Now available Boost Max Youll love this Centrum Silver is clinically proven to support memory in older adults. So you can keep saying. You mastered it you fixed it you nailed it you did it with Centrum Silver. Clinically proven to support memory in older adults. Its difficult to keep track of all the scandals and difficulties that moderate Donald Trumps presidency. One legal battle has been all but forgotten, Donald Trumps attempt to overhaul the Census Bureau and its desire to add a Citizenship Question to the census. Less than a year into Donald Trumps presidency, he announced that the questionnaire would include the question of whether or not you are a u. S. Citizen. Immediately, lawsuits followed. The supreme court actually weighed in, eventually rejecting the effort to add the Citizenship Question. Adding a question of legal Status Or Citizenship to the u. S. Census might not seem like a big deal, but it would have significant consequences for all of us, including those of us who are citizens, for reasons i will explain shortly. The census, according to our laws is supposed to count every person in this country, not every homeowner, not every voter, not every citizen, it is supposed to count, as accurately as possible, every Human Being who resides in this country. And as directed by the constitution, the census helps to determine how congressional seats are allocated, how Congressional District maps are drone, how federal resources are distributed. And though trumps attempt to include the Citizenship Question on the 2020 census ultimately failed, the effort to overhaul the Census Bureau is far from over. Project 2025, the heritage Foundations Blueprint for the next conservative administration , has laid out detailed plans to exert strong, political influence over the Census Bureau. Heres how the section over the Census Bureau begins on page 679. Strong political leadership is needed to increase efficiency and align the Bureaus Mission with conservative principles, already Alarm Bells should be going off. Strong, political leadership is needed to align the Census Bureaus leadership. The Census Bureau is a statistical agency. Project 2025s Chief Recommendation spelled out in Plain English is to appoint a politically motivated head to carry out conservative goals for a statistical agency. Lets keep going. Among Project 2025s recommendations for the Census Bureau, laid out on page 680 quote, it is successful, conservative administration must include a Citizenship Question in the census. As i said, the census is not supposed to count citizens, it is supposed to count everyone who lives here, so that we can get an accurate picture of who we are, and the services we require, including this question in the census , will deter people from answering. Immigrants might be scared of getting deported, which is a valid fear. Many immigrant families and advocates worried that a Citizenship Question would be used for immigration abortion, because Donald Trump has promised the largest deportation in our history if elected. People are answering that question are not filling out the census at all, we now have an inaccurate Count And Representation of our population. Page 60 is a good one in Project 2025, also on the same page it reads quote, review forthcoming changes to Race And Ethnicity questions, and conservative administration should take control of this process and thoroughly review any changes. There are concerns among conservatives that the data under the biden administrations proposals could be skewed to bolster progressive political agendas. Here is the background on this one, the biden Administration Proposed Changes to the 2030 census to include more racing in the city options, so that people feel accurately represented. For instance, the census used to include middle eastern, north african, and some other identities under the white categorization, which they found led some populations to leave that Question Blank altogether. As i said, 680 is the gift that keeps on giving. Same page, a new administration should work to actively engage forces to promote responses to the centennial census. This will ensure the most accurate counts are conducted, leading to a more accurate proportionate of congressional Representation And Allocation of federal funds. Project 2025 is suggesting using federal funds to engage the conservative population specifically to ensure every conservative voice is represented on the census, meanwhile, completely disregarding historically undercounted groups like native americans, immigrants, and low income communities. Not only with these efforts effectively erase and underrepresent communities, they would have an impact on the Voting Power of those districts as well as take away federal funding allocated based on the total population. Again, i will discuss in a few moments by that is important. Communities would receive less funding for schools, hospitals, public infrastructures like roads and bridges. Under the Project 2025 changes to the Census Bureau, and the changes to congressional Representation And Resource allocation would erase undocumented people from the map altogether. That would cause severe undercounted of immigrant communities, even those immigrants who are legal residents or citizens of the united states. The census is not supposed to be a political tool. It is supposed to be an unbiased, apolitical Objective Collection of data. It is supposed to be a trustworthy Data Set by which we get an accurate read on what the country looks like. And Trump And Project 2025 have a clear agenda to skew the data. Beyond the injustice of that, beyond the injustice of depriving people from their fair representation, fair funding of schools and roads, project 2025s Plant is an attack on data and statistics, an overall plan to eliminate systems that are supposed to be unbiased and trustworthy. Ased. You just have to get in the seat. When my doctor gave me breztri for my copd, things changed for me. Breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare ups. Breztri wont replace a Rescue Inhaler for sudden breathing problems. 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A Thousand Years by Christina Perri i have died every day waiting for you we wouldnt be where we are without saint jude. And in turn, we wouldnt be where we are without those people that have donated. before the break, we told you about Project 2025s and to politicize the u. S. System Census Bureau. Joining me is former assistant u. S. Attorney with the southern district of New York civil addition. Shes the author of a new book titled, remember that you are a wily. A memoir. Good to see you all again. We discussed, when trump was trying to do this, the clearest conversation, why this is bad, and why this will affect everybody. You might be sitting around saying, i am a new Drug Citizen in detroit, why do i care if other citizens, not u. S. Citizens are counted on the senses . You explained this most clearly to me, that is, the census is used for all sorts of allocation resources. If the numbers are wrong, the resources will be allocated incorrectly, and 100 of us will suffer because of that. Ali, i dont know why i am here. You nailed it in the segment that led up to this. Let me just use an analogy, if you were having migraines, and you went to a Brain Surgeon to see if you had a tumor would you want that Brain Surgeon just feeling around your head and making a decision about your healthcare by just feeling through it, rather than putting you in a Cat Scan and seeing what the problem was or where it was . I think the answer is no, right . This is the equivalent of saying, we want to poke a finger in the eye of government and throw a patch over the other eye, so that it is really difficult to understand, who needs resources, where those resources need to go, and for what. And lets just use texas as an example. Texas in the 2020 census had an undercount of probably about 267,000 people. So, here is what that means. That means food stamps, that means medicaid dollars, that means mental Health Care dollars less to the state Of Texas, which means it was less to every single person in the state Of Texas who would have benefited from food stamps, who would have benefited from mental Health Care, who needed Medicaid Or Medicare dollars, unless the state itself had the money to make up that loss, that was just left for more people. It really is that simple. When you say you want to scare people away from being counted to me what you are saying is the same thing that even Rudy Giuliani said when he was mayor of New York city, he complained, he complained about undercounting people because of the dollars denied to New York. Even conservatives need to take care of their people, what a good census count, and that is what we should remember. And it is not just federal funding. These census is meant to be everybody depends on it. If youre trying to determine how many police you need, how many ambulances you need, or the things you are going to do, if you dont have a good count , because you need ambulances for 100 of the people here, you need police for 100 of people who are here, not just citizens. Those counts determine how many libraries you will have, how many services you will have. If i am in a place that has noncitizens or people who dont want to read if i dont want to register on the census, im suffering because we are discouraging them from doing so because i am splitting my services across more people that the government did not know where living here. Completely. Lets just take even covid dollars at the pandemic, state and local governments got about 750 Billion in covid relief, but it was state and cities that had to determine where that money went, to home. The irony here is that if you are a poor state, if you are a state that does not have a lot of revenue, honestly, a lot of these states are run by conservatives, have higher rates of poverty, but often dont have their own data, their own Data Sets like the kinds of data we get on housing and on the economy from the american community survey, which is one of the things that Project 2025 directly attacks. He does not like the idea of trying to fit quote, intrusive, and understanding where the needs are. There are some states that will find their own resources to do some of this. New york is going to be better off than arkansas when you do this kind of blinding on who we are and what we need. That is the irony here, if you are conservative, if you are white, if you are low income, this is going to hurt you. Maya, as always, thank you for this. My wily, President And Ceo of the leadership conference, former united States Attorney for the southern district of New York. 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