Transcripts For MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20240920

Soft and america has beaten back the unprecedented economic challenges of the global pandemic and the ensuing disruption to the economy. It is proof that the biden economic recovery has been nothing short of miraculous. Especially given the mess he inherited from trump and the u. S. Outperformed every other country on earth. Trump like so many republicans before him has enjoyed a pulling advantage with voters over the economy. That may be changing. Multiple polls in recent weeks suggesting harris is closing the gap and possibly even leading trump on economic issues. Harris has been helped by trumps inability to feign caring about the expenses of americans as he proved earlier this month with that rambling answer to that direct question in New York. It was Word Salad but with one under noticed but toxic ingredient that deserves more attention. If you take it in november, can you commit to making childcare affordable and if so what specific legislation will you advance . Childcare is childcare, in this country you have to have it. When you talk about those numbers compared to the numbers i am talking about, it will not stop them from doing business with us but they will have a substantial tax when they send product into the country. We will take in trillions of dollars and as much as childcare is talked about being expensive it is not as expensive compared to the numbers we are taking in. Trump obviously has no idea what he is talking about and he clearly has no plan for Child Care but there is something in the answer that truly is a plan. It is something he is serious about and obsessed with. Trumps central economic Policy Platform in the campaign is to raise taxes by trillions and trillions of dollars. Taxes that will be paid primarily by you. By working people in the form of a Sales Tax on Imported Goods. That is his magic lit. A enormous trillion dollar Sales Tax on Imported Goods except that is not what he calls it. He calls it a Tariff And Trump loves tariffs. It was a point he made last night including when he was asked again about ringing costs down for everyday americans. How are you going to bring down the cost of food and groceries. Our farmers are being decimated right now. Absolutely decimated. One of the reasons is we allow a lot of Farm Product into our country, we need to be like other countries, we will let our farmers go to work. Tariffs are the greatest thing ever invented. It is disturbing that a guy that has already been president does not seem to understand the first thing about how tariffs work. He is trying to sell them as a free lunch that China And Mexico is going to pay for. To him it is the perfect ponzi scheme, make other countries exporters pay and problem solved, that is not how it works. When a car is imported from overseas and a tariff is paid on it. The added cost gets passed on to you, the consumer. The Hondo Sedan may have cost 20,000 before the tariff, now it is 28,000 and you will pay it. You can make a argument why that is good policy for other reasons like helping domestic car production, what you cannot do is argue with a straight face that that tariff makes cars cheaper. It does the opposite. You pay more for the car because you pay the tax. Trump says tariffs will generate trillions and maybe they will, that is trillions more you will pay for Imported Goods so producers can pay the government. A tariff is a tax on you. That is not just me saying that, it is the conservative economists at the pro Trump Heritage Foundation at a 2019 paper criticizing Trumps Tariffs, titled do no harm tariffs hurt the homeland. Many people believe when tariffs are imposed on a country that country bears the cost however that is not the case. When the government collects revenue from tariffs it is collecting it from its own citizens, not from the citizens from the country upon the tariffs were imposed. As insane as it sounds. Trump already imposed tariffs as president and they raised costs for americans. A point made by a republican Ex Congressman that ran the office of budget under ronald reagan. He said Trumps Tariffs actually helped drive the inflation that hurt everyone over the past half decade. He basically decided i am going to levy a huge tariffs on imports coming in from china. Averaging 20 on 360 Alien Worth of imports, 75 Billion a year on taxes on consumers. To be clear the terrorist do not cost american consumers, they can also hurt producers. When trump was president he sold tariffs on Kraft Foods as a way to help farmers. Instead the tariffs sparked a Trade War with china which promptly stopped purchasing american agricultural exports, closing a massive market, ruining u. S. Farmers and forcing the Trump Administration to keep them afloat with enormous subsidy payments. As Haley Jackson reported in 2018. Before he formed this land in nebraska his dad did and his dad before that. These days it is tougher to turn a profit. The tariffs put in place by trump triggered a Trade War. To make the longer it goes on it makes it that much harder for us. Costs are going up all the time. Reporter now it is farmers like producers of soybeans, dairy, cotton and more getting a assist from the administration as the president helps people his own policies hurt. And you program is set to launch around Labor Day meant to offset the 11 Billion in losses farmers face. Does tariffs to raise revenue, 92 of which the trump had to spend bailing out the farmers whose businesses were decimated by the tariffs. The subsidies spent on farmers amounted to more, more than the budget for nasa. So his plan to cut down on costs for Child Care is to do a lot more tariffs. A woman asked how he will lower the cost of groceries and his answer is he will lower the taxes on groceries. No matter how many economists across the spectrum say this is a recipe for disaster, trump can impose tariffs unilaterally as president without congress, he does not need a bill from them. That is what he did the first time in the Trade War with china and the insanity of what he is proposing, trillions in new tariffs is not being grappled with by the media. It is being called Out By Vice President harris. My opponent has a plan called the trump Sales Tax, a 20 tax on everyday goods you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said the trump Sales Tax would result for middleclass families in about 4000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middleclass people paying for Tax Cuts for millionaires. First i have no Sales Tax, that is incorrect, we are doing tariffs on other countries. No, that is the thing, it is the same thing. Tariffs on the other country is a Sales Tax on you. Trump does not understand his own economic plan. A Plan Publican Economists say is a Sales Tax on americans. A plan that already devastated american agriculture the first time around. If he is elected nobody can stop him from making the same mistakes all over again. He is a Nobel Prize winning economists. He is also a New York times Opinion Column is and recently wrote about trump, stalinism and the Tariff Debate and he joins me now. It is great to have you for a little bit of econ 101 and i say this as someone that does not have a Economy Degree and yet, can you explain the basics of how a tariff works and who pays for it . Basically a tariff is a Sales Tax, a tax on sales of goods. It happens to be goods that are imported from foreign countries but it is the same thing. If you impose a tax on sales of cars from Car Dealers you expect them to pass that on to the buyers. If you impose a tax on stuff we purchase from china that will be passed on to consumers. Nothing changes if the sellers happen to be foreign. It is really weird. There is no constituency as far as i can tell for the types of Rings Trump is imposing. He has a bee in his bonnet about taxing foreigners and he has this magical belief that he can raise trillions from other countries without them doing anything or raising the prices were even retaliating. It is a big world out there. The u. S. Is not the sole economic superpower. The European Union is the same size as we are. If you think you can do this and you will not get what happened last time which is retaliation against u. S. Exports, it is the most bizarre thing. As you say there is a quirk with the way we have below written On Trade that allows president s a great deal of discretion on tariffs based on the belief that congress would take care of it and president s were responsible people defaulting to congress and now we have trump. The legal authority is wide ranging and the theory is tariffs are classic Winner And Loser corrupt Capture Sort of thing. I am the Corrupt Rissman from North Carolina and i do not want imported tobacco. So everybody has their own thing they want to protect and you quickly have wheel corrupt transactional politics from that and now you have to guy who is the most corrupt transactional politician ever and he will say i will unilaterally just have trillions of this stuff. Congress originally agreed to the way the Trade Laws were written to protect itself against its self. It was congress saying if you let us write the Tariffs Line by line been every single special Interest Group will get a line on us so please lets give the president the authority to negotiate Trade Deals and we have a single Up And Down vote that it presumes that the president will act responsibly, that the president will help preserve the global Trading System which the u. S. Created. We wrote the rules partly because we thought among other things, not just that trade was good for prosperity but for World Peace and now we have a president , i cannot figure out where he is getting this from. It seems to be something he is making up and he is searching for somebody to tell him that it is true. It is not just economic theory, we have evidence of the practice. We talked about the Trade War, the great Washington Machine Tariff of 2019 when trump slapped tariffs on imported Washing Machines and the new tariffs also raised prices for dryers because they use them as an excuse to raise the price of things not affected by tariffs because it gave Pricing Power to the manufacturers to jack up prices. Yes, funny thing is a lot of other companies not so much the Washing Machines but the other tariffs put on steel, those are things that are inputs into other things so it raised costs. Most of the estimates say the trump tariffs ended up reducing the number of manufacturing jobs because what they did to raise costs was more important than protecting some manufacturers from foreign competition. It is like a decimal. You could hardly do worse than the particular combination of stuff. But he wants to do it again except on a bigger scale. What he did was selected tariffs on a certain part of imports and it was pretty much china and now he is talking about a ring of around the collar for the entire u. S. Economy. 10 or 20 tariffs, the numbers are being pulled out of thin air or maybe someplace lower. Still, we are now talking about stuff that is huge and would among other things, it would become a freeforall globally. This is one thing that has not entered the debate. As a old teacher of mine once said if the u. S. Starts slapping on tariffs the retaliation is a big problem but a bigger problem is emulation. Once we do it everybody starts doing it and it is disruptive. To make a pleasure to have you on for this. Thank you. 48 days out, is trump about to force a Government Shutdown because of his Election Conspiracy Theory . Nancy pelosi on the and Aga Agenda and much more ahead. Ah so trump was supposed to spend the day in the courtroom, this was the date he was supposed to be sentenced for his conviction in the Election Interference Case but as per usual trump wriggled out of that one when the judge agreed to delay his sentencing until after the election. So instead of sitting in a court the president stopped by a Crypto Currency themed bar in manhattan taped an hourlong presence on trump to be an right now is hosting a Campaign Rally on nassau island. Everywhere he goes he continues his latest act, and a ludicrous attempt to buy out constituencies he is promising new Tax Cuts. When i am back in the White House we will past larger Tax Cuts for workers and we have a special tax that i think will do quite well, it is called no tax on tips. So waiters, waitresses, caddies, people that get tips who have been harassed by this government, we will have no tax on tips, it is a big ring. I am also announcing as part of the additional Tax Cuts, we will and all taxes on overtime. No taxes on overtime. If you are a Overtime Work or, if you go past 40 hours per week your overtime hours will be taxfree and for the seniors, which will be fantastic, they were devastated by inflation, this will make up for it, we have no tax on social security benefits. Trump never implemented any of those ideas when he had the chance, the major Tax Bill but now he has another one. As he rallies in Long Island he is promising to get rid of the scourge of Long Island voters in the republican representatives the cap on the state and local Salt Deduction. When you live in a place like Nassau County were state and local taxes are high you can claim the full amount no matter how much as a deduction on your federal income taxes. For a lot of high earners and amounted to thousands of dollars in savings but then some bad politician got rid of the salt capping the deduction at 10,000 and Hiking Taxes by thousands for all of those people. That politician was then president trump. Seen here getting rid of the Salt Deduction, a central part of his one big piece of lasting legislation the Tax Cuts and jobs act. As Chuck Schumer explains it was a deliberate attack meant to punish democratic voters. I have always been for eliminating the cap on salt, i think it was a nasty piece of legislation aimed at the Blue States which helped the people of the state in many ways. Trump himself moved his residence from New York to florida the year after the change went into effect. Meanwhile a lot of affluent New Yorkers and californians and residents of other Blue States have been losing money for five years which makes the Salt Act unpopular with them and in certain affluent Swing Districts where republican representatives are struggling to hold onto their seats so Tonight Trump is promising the people of Nassau County he will bring back the Salt Deduction. I will cut taxes for families, small businesses and workers including restoring the Salt Deduction saving thousands for residents of new York Pennsylvania New Jersey and other high cost states. The arsonist just showed up with the fire hose. It is more proof that all of his promises are meaningless. A lot of democrats have like to get the deduction back. One of the people that led the effort the first time, nancy pelosi, will join me next. Have you ever considered getting a walkin tub . 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I am joined by nancy pelosi. Good to have you on. It used to be something universal happen, the Party Leadership In The House bringing a bill to the floor that lost. It now happens all the time, i was not all that surprised today. What do you make of the vote . It is a example of ineptitude. It is also a example of the former president being a puppeteer, telling the republicans In The House that they must shut down the government effectively and as he usually does, shining lights on his puppet strings so they look bad. The fact is i am a appropriate or, that is were a Budget Bill comes from. We have always said left to their own devices that democrats and republicans on the Preparations Committee can find a compromise, a solution. You just have to want to do that. Apparently the republican leadership In The House has decided they do not want to leave it up to the appropriators who know the legislation well and they want to leave it up to trump who does not who wants to shut down the government which would be a tragedy. This seems like a situation where there is bipartisan consensus to avoid a Shutdown But Trump is obsessed with this piece of legislation which is essentially a institutionalization of the Big Lie. He said today on social media, including any things he accuses democrats of falsely registering illegal voters by the tens of thousands. He wants them to shut the government down so they can promote the Big Lie basically yes . His lips were moving, he was lying. That is the way it is. He sometimes has no idea what he is talking about and sometimes makes it up as he goes along and it is a tragedy. I only wish they would leave it up to congress to pass the legislation necessary to keep the government open. He is not in the government and yes he wants to shut it down. It was sad to see because this is the second time. We failed to pass it the first time now a week later they are failing again by a strong number of votes, 14 nose and to present, they can only lose four votes and they lost three or four times that. In any event, it is not a good idea for the american people to have the government be shut down. They should make every effort to keep it open. He may think it is politically advantageous because it makes us all look bad but he does not know that the republicans, every time they shut down the government, had to pay a price for it. We would rather just debate the issues rather than have a shutdown of government to prove how inept and how bad the former president is on these issues. I want to talk to you about the house and the prospect for democrats retaking majority In The House which i know is near and dear to your heart. There are a bunch of races, competitive races, in particular california and New York where the majority might get made. I really think, i did a whole bit on it, i do not know if you saw it, so he is in Long Island on a pandora tour, now he is promising the Tax Law he signed into law, whenever you think of it on the merits he signed and raised the taxes of some of the folks on Long Island, so he will get rid of it so some of the republicans can survive, what do you make of this astonishing 180 he is pulling . I do not know if it is a 180 or if it was just not telling the truth. He did want to punish Blue States, california, New York, parts of pennsylvania, connecticut and the rest by this thing. What people should understand about this is that State Governments depend on this deduction because it enables them to use the money people pay for that local tax to find the government but if they are not able to deduct it they may not engage in the purchase is or whatever it is, of Real Estate that enables those states to have those resources for government to work and that is what they want, they want the government to not have resources. They are antigovernance, anti science, antibiden of course, so here they go. You know, i am trying to be nice, we are seven weeks out one day. We think we will take the house, i feel strongly that we will. We made the decision to take it and we are making every decision in favor of winning and there are many races between california and New York where we think we can be successful. As you may recall, in the last election people said we would lose 3040 seats and i said that is impossible. We know our districts and our issues am a whether it is a Womans Right to choose, gun violence prevention, saving the planet, our democracy, we knew the distinction, the contrast between democrats and republicans in the districts and we lost five seats, five in New York and we hope to take those back but more across the country. I do not want to take five seats, i want us to take 15 so somewhere between five and 15 is our victory. Again, because we know that districts and we listen to the people and we can make the contrast. So when he tries to go to New York and talk about undoing something he did in a mean way, lets talk about what that was part of, that was part of his one Say Accomplishment as president and they had the majority. They did one thing. They gave a Tax Cut to the richest people in america. The Top 1 got 83 of the benefits. Top corporate and individuals. 83 of the benefits went to the top, 1 adding to truly to the national debt and then complaining to us when we have nutrition in our Farm Bill for people. Or in the Budget Bill when we want to have women and children having food. So a budget should be a statement of our values, it is not about values to them, it is just money to the richest people in america that find their campaigns and who say now, do not pay attention to what he says, they know he is a dolt, or they should, but most of them do. They know he is terrible. Just look at what happens to your Tax Return if you are in the 1 . It is shocking. That is your patriotism. The one group of high earners that did see the Tax Hike from the bill is the folks that Got Hit by the Salt Deduction, the only one. Nancy pelosi, thank you for your time tonight. Thank you, we fully intend to take it. Thank you. The growing calls for a censure of a republican senator who told a witness in a hearing she should hide her head in a bag. That unbelievable scene in the senate, next. Senate, next. Republican Senator John Kennedy of louisiana does not draw the same level of criticism as some of his more attention Thursday Colleagues like Ted Cruz but i think he should. Time and time again when given the Opportunity Kennedy uses the platform to disparage Arab American and Muslim American communities with bigoted poison. During a hearing on Hate Crimes yesterday the senator aint a disgusting land of questioning toward the head of the Arab American institute and the only muslim in attendance. You support hamas dont you . Please. I think it is disappointing that you are looking at a Arab American witness and saying you support hamas. I do not support hamas. I was very clear in my support i oppose you should have your head in a bag. To be clear, this is nothing new from senator kennedy, last year he accused a lawyer Named Adela who is nominated to be the first was an american on the federal Court Of Appeals of celebrating 911. Because of that disgusting attack the nomination is still stalled a year later. Accusing arabamerican of supporting terrorism is races, is homophobic telling the only arabamerican witness before your committee on Hate Crimes she should hide her head in a bag is frankly unacceptable. There should be real professional consequences for this disgusting display. In a normal world, we would be talking immediately about censuring senator kennedy, his colleagues would, there would be a discussion about him losing his seat, it is the Rank Bigotry that would get you fired from a regular job, somehow it is fine in the senate. Announcer what if you could whiten your teeth by simply brushing your teeth . 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Sources tell nbc that is real is behind it. The situation escalated when walkietalkies exploded, including at a funeral for those killed in yesterdays attack. These attacks will likely prompt another response from the militant group, they already fired thousands of rockets into northern israel, leading to a evacuation of israelis as well as a strike at a Soccer Field that left 12 children dead. The Israeli Army attacked and assassinated the leader as well as the head of hamas. In the aftermath of the October 7 attack by hamas the Butt Administration has had two main objectives, support Israels War against hamas while preventing the warp from spiraling into a larger regional conflict. As the war has dragged on, 100 hostages remain in custody, the Death Toll in gaza has reached over 40,000 including thousands of children, it is clear the biden administration wants some kind of offering. For months they have been working to secure a deal for a ceasefire and the release of its really hostages and hamas custody. The idea that this would also prevent the war from spiraling into a larger conflict but those two goals go Hand In hand quite clearly, the longer we go without a Ceasefire Deal the more likely a escalation becomes and the pentagon has been clear, we must avoid that outcome. If we were not concerned about the possibility of escalation and a second front to the north, we would not still be involved in such intense diplomacy. We do not want to see escalation and we do not want a second front and we are concerned. The israeli attack with pagers and walkietalkies is the latest in a series of violent attacks between israel, iran and iranian proxies. As time goes on avoiding a regional war becomes more and more important and we have become very close. Right now the majority of people in israel want a Cease Fire deal. They protested for it and the polling indicated. The israeli Defense Establishment once a Ceasefire Deal but the Prime Minister of israel fundamentally does not want one. He may fire his Defense Minister because they want to negotiate an end the war in gaza. The problem for american policymakers now is the chief objective to negotiate Cease Fire, get hostages home and avoid regional conflicts that can drag the u. S. Into a war is not on the table. The Prime Minister says no such deal is on the table. The current strategy to get a deal to avoid a bloodier war is not working so the question becomes, then what . Right now i am not sure there is a answer. He is a former democrat of maryland. He visited the region earlier this year. Senator, i will start by asking if you think there is a answer or if i got something wrong about how you see the path forward. Maybe you believe a deal is possible . Two things chris, first i join you in condemning the despicable and bigoted remarks of senator kennedy. Those remarks have no place in the u. S. Senate. Second i think you summed up the situation in the Middle East very well which is that the biden administration has been focused on getting a Cease Fire and a return of all the hostages. Both to address the terrible situation in gaza but also to prevent a escalation of the war. A situation where anybody can trigger a greater conflagration. So that has been the focus. It is very clear and i speak for Hostage Families whose members were taken hostage, i have spoken to families in the u. S. And israel and they see very clearly that a big part of the problem has been that prime Minister Benjamin has decided to put his own political Survival And Allegiance to the extreme government he has, over the u. S. Goal of achieving a return of the hostages and a ceasefire. You summed that up well and the risk of escalation as we have seen in the last 24 hours remain greater than ever. I want to follow up on that, one of the things that keeps me up at night having recently reread the history of the Lebanon War and 82 which has important precedents here. Ultimately what happened and 83 was 200 u. S. Marines were attacked in a barracks and killed. I tremble to think about what would happen if some of the thousands upon thousands of u. S. Service members were attacked in such a fashion, are you worried, independent of the concerns about civilian life in gaza and the lives of the hostages and regional security, are you worried about something like that happening the longer we continue to roll the dice . Yes. I am worried that the u. S. Can get sucked into a larger war. You mentioned what happened after the israeli attack on the syrian compound, the embassy compound, the iranians then launched a lot of missiles at israel, we were there and some of our arab partners as well to help Israel Intercept the missiles but clearly if they got through you would see a much wider expansion where the u. S. Could get sucked into the war which is why the biden administration has been focused on trying to deescalate and why they are very worried about some of these actions that can trigger escalation. Here is another tactic being proposed by Senator Bernie sanders. Two stop just using diplomacy in the sense of talking and actually use american leverage to force israel to the table for a deal and that comes at a resolution to disapprove of 20 Billion in arms sales. The senator says he will do that, many people think this is one way the u. S. Can exert leverage beyond the leverage it attempted to exert to try to get to a deal. Do you believe is a effective way to go . I will take a look at the Sanders Proposal but i will say this. A partnership between the u. S. And israel cannot be a oneway street. What we have seen recently is president biden make repeated requests, demands to the israel government only to be ignored on the ceasefire, return of hostages negotiations, Settler Violence and a host of other things so i do think the u. S. Can make more effective use of our leverage. I do not think the Biden Demonstration is using all the tools at our disposal and i do not believe we should be providing a Blank Check when it comes to Offensive Weapons. Taxpayer dollars should be tied to u. S. Objectives and values and you cannot have a situation where the Prime Minister of israel and his extremist government continuously rebuffed the president of the u. S. And is just rewarded. So i will look at this, i said previously i supported a pause in Offensive Weapons transfers, not defensive weapons. The Iron Dome and those systems are absolutely necessary and i do not support a Arms Embargo but i do support effective use of the tools of u. S. Diplomacy and i do not support a anything goes Blank Check. We do not do that with other Security Partners around the world. We say we want to provide help but we also have the objectives, in this case the objectives the president has laid out and therefore we should use all of the tools at our disposal so i will take a look at it. Thank you for your time tonight. That is all in on this wednesday night. Alex starts right now. Today started with what should have been Bombshell News from the Wall Street Journal. Jd Vance Team contacted officials in springfield to Fact Check claims about haitian immigrants eating pets. The City Manager told his people pointblank that there was no verifiable evidence or reports about immigrants eating pets. The City Manager told his team that the claims were tasteless. But still Jd Vance repeated them online. The next Day Trump Use one of the biggest platforms in the world, a president ial debate to push the claims again. Claims his campaign knew were lies. The new reporting from the Wall Street Journal should be devastating to the trump campaign. The stunning thing is, they probably will not care because Trump And Vance invocation of springfield was never about the truth to begin with. Springfield is less important as the actual place with actual people and more important as a symbol. You can see the four states that border springfield, ohio, nevada, maine and kentucky. And