The floor with Donald Trump, it has been obvious since the days since and he has been out there for every vote and he descended further and further down the conspiracy rabbit hole. Both are dostanding by and comi up first but as the republican ticket doubles down on the racist lies terrorizing ohio, we will be talking live in studio. Later, a Conspiracy Theorist has been by Trump Side all week long and Sarah Matthews joins me to talk about the mega match made in heaven. If getting embarrassed by Vice President harris in front of more than 67 Million debate watchers by the way this Week Tc made Donald Trump furious, and you know it did, it is clear the rest of the week has added to the rage. Lets take a look at the things that are making Donald Trump very mad right now. And just this morning a Poll D showed harris cutting the lead in iowa of all places and just to give you a sense of what it means, the poll had trump leading Joe Biden by 18 points. And he got iowa by nonpoints nine point since 2020 and hasnt been a Swing State since 2008. You must night at a dinner in Washington Harris mock trump for this line in the Debate R about having concepts of a plan and all week long she filled stadiums with Tens Of Thousands of people in crucial Swing States like North Carolina and pennsylvania and got the endorsement of Taylor Swift, which is clearly still driving trump nuts. If you happen to click over to truth social this morning, here is what you saw. I hate Taylor Swift. Clearly under his skin. It was so embarrassing for Donald Trump that Karl Rove basically called trump stupid in the editorial pages of the in wall street journal. So, yes, trump was embarrassed Tuesday Night and has been embarrassed every day since. In response, he is not retooling his Campaign Team are planning a Bus Trip across the United States to connect to voters. Of course not. He is going back to the same Xena Phobic and racist playbook that he thinks got him the at election in 2016. And he is appealing to his base with fear of immigrants, black and latino communities, and fear of anybody who doesnt look like him and his running mate, Jd Vance. The most dangerous step he took this week is doubling down on a claim debunked by the local police, the mayor, and the republican governor of ohio that haitian immigrants in ohio are eating pets. It was a claim hithat originate with a Facebook Post from one Wi Person who later disavowed it and faxed dont matter to him. He prompted the explosion of this theory himself by elevating it on the Debate Stage on tuesday. Later vowing Mass Deportation starting in springfield, ohio. The result of all this is a Po City being terrorized right now. Today Wittenberg University has been put on high alert as people threatened to shoot patients on Campus And Yesterday a Bomb Threat threatened to hospitals to go into lockdown in multiple schools and municipal buildings were evacuated or closed on thursday and friday due to similar threats. At least one of which used hateful language s toward haitians. Nbc news reports a Neonazi Group which pushed the false claim in the first iaplace is doing this to local residents have spoken out. Surprise surprise. Trump is doing absolutely nothing to calm things down. When asked yesterday if he denounced the Bomb Threats, he definitely didnt say yes. You denounced the Bomb Threats in ohio . I dont Know Hewhat happened with the Bomb Threats. I know it has been taken over by illegal migrants. That is a terrible thing that happened. Springfield was this beautiful town. They are now going through. When tHe Question is do you denounced Bomb Threats terrorizing an american city, the answer should be unambiguous, but of course trumps was not. In the next breath he lied about migrants who were in this country illegally. And we have seen this Pattern D before. Trump stoking Conspiracy Theories and commenting on them is this a casual Observer And Setting fire to the building and pours gasoline all over It T and then wonders out loud why it is burning. This is what he does and discuss anyone who was in the u. S. Capitol on january six. He may be a buffoon who was criticized for his comments at the debate but it doesnt make them any less dangerous. I think Kamala Harris Capture that dynamic perfectly at the democratic convention. In many ways, Donald Trump is an punserious man. But the consequences of putting Donald Trump back in the White House are extremely serious. Joining me now are two people who never hold back and who will have thoughts about all of this is Congressman Jasmine Crockett and george conway. I want to start with Donald Trumps refusal to condemn the Bomb Threats and what was your reaction to that . My Heart Aches that this election is close because it comes down to some basic Norms E and principles of what we should see in leadership for the greatest country in the World And Springfield is going through but they do because the guy who says he wants to be the Commander In Chief is actually bringing that to the footstepsn and he decided amplify ally on a national stage harming american citizens and that is a problem and when i talk about maga, i talk about the fact that when we finally swore in, we swore to defend against those that are coming against us, whether they are domestic or international. Right now, i feel like maga in general is a threat to us ne domestically. And we sIt Time and time again. And i think you see leaders coming together there is only one person qualified to be the commanderinchief and that is Kamala Harris. A letter signed this morning by people who worked for Ronald Reagan and i want to ask and talk about this as well but, lk george, you have been warning about this pattern, about stoking and feeding into conspiracies and letting it sit out there and doing nothing to calm it. What has been your reaction as you watch the events of the last few days in the absolute St Terror that has been unleashed on the people of springfield, ohio, as a result . What i have said for years is Donald Trump is a sociopath. They lie relentlessly. They have no Empathy Or Caring for other people. Who refuses to say that they condemn a Bomb Threat . A sociopath or psychopath. Somebody who has no Caring Or Feeling for other people and only cares for himself. It is all about him and how he thinks he can spur people on into Violence And Support him. He is just a dangerous person. E that is exactly why you see conservatives like me and the 17 people from the reagan Administration And Liz cheney and so many others speaking outa and saying we cant have you back because he is a danger that even when he isnt president. He is a Danger Campaigning causing all this estrouble and not rioting but the danger happening in springfield, ohio. That is what he does. One of the things, and i mentioned this and i would love your thoughts on this. This is a pattern. He loves to go after this is his playbook. He loves to go after communities that dont look like him. He goes after black and Latino M communities and those who have a large number of immigrants. It is a fear based approached. He does it in aurora, colorado,d as well. What should people understand and know about that . Haitian families ndare keeping kids inside with schools and hospitals being shut down. What should people know about that in the impact of communities . You see these communities impacted. He loves to say things such as they are illegal. Every time he talks about an immigrant, he makes it seem as if they have done something nefarious. Just because they are immigrants, it doesnt mean there is anything illegal about them. What is so wild about me is they never think about the facty that they literally have children of immigrants. Donald trump is married to an immigrant as well as Jd Vance. Your children are children of immigrants, and you are going out and attacking other immigrants every chance you get. Again, it comes down to basic decency in this country. I think the reason you see the Polling Numbers you see and i what is because people are waking up that we cant live ki this way. This cant be the guy supposed to protect us when it comes to people coming out against us. This is the same guy that couldnt say on the Debate Stage he wanted to have ukraine win. He doesnt understand who our friends are and doesnt understand who we d are as a nation which we are a Country Ti of immigrants. The demonization of any group of people, whether it is black folk and saying, you know what . We have to make sure that officers have immunity to go ahead and kill them criminally or whether we talk about those w he says, all of the hispanics coming in, they will rape your children. The problem isnt the people coming in but this guy and his people here doing the Bomb Threats throughout our country and domestic terrorism is a real thing. He is the guy who tstarts it. This is very much an american story, the city of springfield, ohio. People forget that. They need people to do jobs and brought people in and they asked haitian immigrants to come to this town to do these jobs and more to say on that but i want to start talking more. George, you are good at getting into the mind of Donald Trump. O what struck me about his behavior is it feels to me like, yes, sociopathic behavior to quote you, but also desperation. It feels like desperation when he feels under attack, when He Q is behind. He behaves this way. How has that struck you in this regard about what it says about his mental state . He is reaching his final destination, which is complete decomposition and decompensation. None of his tricks are working anymore. We are on to them. They dont excite anybody anymore. He is losing in the polls. He has to try to make things up in his own Vice President ial candidate basically said we are making up stories to win this election. It isnt working for him. He knows it and he knows he is going down. The more he feels he is going down remember, he is not wn running just for president but running from prison and you will see him engage in more desperate behavior and that is what you see with i hate Taylor Swift. He is lashing out and his people have lost control. The only person who seems to e have any control over him as ve the person who is telling him or whispering in his ear or doing something to tell him that everything is great and that is the allure. This is the ultimate implosion. We are watching it live. It will get worse. Laura loomer is a 9 11 truth or that he brings to a 9 11 memorial which in itself is crazy. He is self combusting himself as george has said but if you az are a Harris Team Member in the Vice President had a great moment when she talked about the concepts of a plan but what do you do with all of this . You talk about it or do you run a different game . A combination of all of it. One of the greatest things about the dnc is most people realized how deep the benches and the only people that will show up to a rally are the trump people. They will only show up for him but when it comes to Kamala Harris she can send us anywhere. We can go on the News Rrand Tal and make fun of him or go on Social Media and do our thing but she reminds people of who he is not by characterizing him herself but using his words and i think that is what is upsetting to him. She is using his words of concepts of a plan and mocking him just like we took over the black job rhetoric. We do have black jobs. It is to go vote in november and make sure this guy doesnt get back and. We are taking his words and we flipping them on him. It is sad. I think about the debate. One of the things that she isnt talking about again very much that i have seen is the fact that he double down on the Central Park Five. As people talk about black men and whether or not black men an are going over to the Trump E campus, i thought for sure he would better navigate the Central Park Five and anticipate having to anticipate dealing with that as well as his racist actions as it relates to renting or deciding not to rent to people of color. Instead, he doubled down. We know these black and brown k men were exonerated and paid over 40 million. Yet he still wouldnt retract what he said. That is why you would have somebody in a Hood Go To Connecticut for the purpose of a trump rally. That is who he oscaters to. At listen, i am so grateful to have both of you quiet wallflowers with me on the show today. Thank you so much. Congresswoman wicocker it Crockett And George conway, what has been a part of a horrible story and a pattern all week. Coming up, we talk up next about trumps new favorite Conspiracy Theorist, Laura Loomer. These are some of the headlines right now out of springfield, ohio. Jd vance was on the sunday shows this morning and decided to triple down. Ohio Congresswoman Chantel Brown is up next and she is coming up. Coming up. Funding the resear ch. The research is allowing for the treatments to happen. And those treatments provide cures. 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Vance himself acknowledged it was unsubstantiated and false but insisted they keep the cat means flowing thats pretty disingenuous. He knows it is false and he knows what he is doing and is doing it anyway and today he seemed to slip up and admit again he has been pushing this narrative on false pretenses. The american media ignored the stuff until Donald Trump and i started talking about cat means. If i have to create stories so the american media pays attention to the suffering of the american people, then that is what i will do, dana. You just said you are creating a story. Sorry. You said you were creating the story. You just said that this is a story you created. So the eating dogs and cats things is not accurate . Dana, it comes from first hand accounts for my constituents. I say we are creating a story means we are creating the american media focusing on it. Joining me now is Shontel Brown of ohio. We were sitting here watching this and both of us have seen it before but we are both shaking our heads watching it and its important to remember that you were elected to represent your constituents and Senator Vance was also doing that and the city is terrorized. He says he is creating stories and what is your reaction as you watch this . My reaction is it is dangerous. Thank you for having me. The racist rhetoric is rooted in damaging communities and this doesnt impact just black people. The City Council and City Hall had to be evacuated with the schools closed, hospitals impacted. This is dangerous rhetoric that impacts an entire community. It is an unfamiliar. These are the same people that Donald Trump said Torch Carrying people are fine people in this is the same president who had an opportunity to denounce a white racist supreme group called the proud boys and instead he told them to stand back and Stand By and on january six is a sitting president Donald Trump with the same people, put them into a frenzy and have them to send them the capital to have them overturn a an election where 81 Million people fired him which the Vice President stated during her debate which he is clearly having trouble processing. This is discrimination at its worst. And your previous guest talked about this long Standing Prejudice from not doing this for black people or calling for execution of the Central Park Five are questioning the Birth And Citizenship of our first black president from his very first kickoff of his campaign calling mexicans thugs and rapists and claiming he would build a wall and have them play pay for it and reminding the viewers that didnt happen. He continues to traffic and racist tropes throughout his entire life. Since we have known him, this isnt a foreign territory. This is what he does and who he is. The good news is if i may . We do love good news. I think we found his kryptonite. In july when he was on the stage with three black women, they had him in the Line Of Fire and he made the foolish mistake declaring that are now Vice President just turned black. Whether it is harris Faulkner Or Rachel scott, April Ryan and even are black president , the common thread is black women seem to be his kryptonite, strong intelligent black women. He cant handle It To your point. He was clearly uncomfortable when the Vice President went into his space of the debate the other night. You are right. Haiti was of course one of the country that was called and i will use a bad word and i am sorry but he is stoked fear and sat as an observer as i said earlier in the show and how do you explain . You talk to constituents all the time and its not your district but not far away but how do you explain to them when he and the senator from their state are doing this . I dont think it requires an explanation for them. The people of ohio Know Ohio has an abundance of riches. We are on the Great Lakes and we are the second largest Theater District only second to broadway. We have amazing talented people who come from the state of ohio to Steve Harvey to Drew Carey to Halle Berry and even springfields own John Lynch it legend. I feel they have a little Buyers Remorse as it relates to Jd Vance and he is not representative of ohio. He is a poor example of what leadership is in the entire nation. His goal to become Vice President should give Everyone Pause from Disrespecting Single Women who own cats to disrespecting the haitian community to making up and creating stories by his own admission about the things that they are doing is demonstrative of the lack of boundaries and standards that these two candidates have. It is an embarrassment to me as somebody from ohio that this is who the republicans wanted to nominate. You are not the only one. You have a very important base. Thank you so much for joining me , congresswoman. Coming up, when she is not making racist posters spouting her usual nonsense, one of the nations foremost Conspiracy Theorists is getting pretty close to Donald Trump. I have some thoughts about Laura Loomer when we come back. And help a partner like the World Food Programme as they provide more than food to people in need. Together, citi and the World Food Programme empower families across the globe. When my doctor gave me breztri for my copd, things changed for me. Breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare ups. Breztri wont replace a Rescue Inhaler for sudden breathing problems. It is not for asthma. Tell your doctor if you have a Heart Condition or high Blood Pressure before taking it. Dont take breztri more than prescribed. Breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. Call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, Mouth Or Tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or Eye Pain occur. Ask your doctor about breztri. As you know, there are a lot of shady characters in trump world. Felons, bigots, Conspiracy Theorists and you name it, they are all at the table. Donald trump basically invites anyone into the fold who wants to tell them what he wants to hear and for all of them circling in his orbit, one name manages to stand out above all the others this week. If you are not familiar with Laura Loomer, she is a far right activist and a proud islamophobia who is prowhite nationalism and gained notoriety for transferring handcuffing herself to twitter after being kicked off the platform for wildly disgusting and racist post. To give you a taste of what she is like, here she is calling for the execution she sees who are out to get Donald Trump. I truly believe that the people who engaged in the coup against Donald Trump and have caused civil Unrest And Chaos in our country for the last seven years through Crossfire Hurricane and also through what i believe are illegal witchhunts against the president of United States right now, unconstitutional witchhunts are treasonous and traders and should get the Death Penalty when they are jailed in the next the trump administration. She seems nice. Laura loomer. That is her, ladies and gentlemen. She said if Kamala Harris wins, we will have an islamic uprising this country and if you dont vote for trump you are an enemy of the country and i did get a little taste of her the summer and she encouraged her far right following to come and say hello. Now, i am guessing she wasnt recommending they come and bring me friendly hellos from her base of maga followers. All of that i went through is just the tip of the iceberg for Laura Loomer. The same Person Road with Donald Trump to Tuesday Nights debate in philadelphia. The very next day she accompanied him to events commemorating the anniversary of the September 11 attack which, by the way, Laura Loomer , last year, called an Inside Job. So yes, the former president and republican nominee took a 9 11Truth Or Truther to events that 911 and now all of a sudden trumps closest allies are super concerned about his relationship. Lindsey graham said the history of statements by ms. Loomer are beyond disturbing and in response to a racist week she posted about Kamala Harris, Marjorie Taylor Greene wrote this is appalling and extremely racist. They are correct. It is appalling and what she says is racist. Forgive me for not giving these folks a profile encourage award. They do know who the leader of their partys and they have met Donald Trump, the guy who built his political clout on the Birther Conspiracy and the guy this week who regurgitated racist lies about haitian immigrants in the guy who surrounds himself with a cast of Election Deniers and anti baxters and many white nationalists. Here is what that guy had to say this week. What would you say the republican colleagues are allies concerned about your relationship with Laura Loomer . I dont know what they would say. Laura has been a supporter of mine just like a lot of people are supporters. She has been a supporter of mine. She speaks very positively of the campaign and i am not sure why you asked that question. She is a supporter. I dont control her. She says what she wants. She is a free spirit. I dont know. I cant tell laura what to do. Laura is a supporter. I have a lot of supporters. She is a free spirit. That is one way to put it. Donald trump is the Conspiracy Theorist in chief. 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Donald trumps open admiration for her this week has also happened this year when she pushed her gross conspiracies. This woman is amazing. Laura loomer. Where is she . Where is laura . She is amazing. Every day we see another story about illegal aliens going to the Ritz Carlton or getting free flights or illegal aliens getting free close or free Cell Phones and somebody will snap. Somebody will snap. It is going to happen. You know what . I wont care when it happens. A fantastic woman. A true patriot, Laura Loomer. Thank you, laura. If Kamala Harris gets elected president of the United States, we will have an islamic caliphate in this country. It is great to have you. You work hard and you are very opinionated. You are a very opinionated lady. I can tell you that. Joining me now is Sarah Matthews serving as the Deputy Press Secretary during the Press Administration Trump administration. None of us are surprised by the things that trump does that help us understand how somebody who is a Conspiracy Theorist, a 911 truther and says all the things we talk about in this show goes from that to being on the plane to the Debate And Kind of in the unofficial Inner Circle of Donald Trump . You are the company you keep. This goes to show what his Character And Judgment is if this is who he chooses to surround himself with. Americans may not be familiar with her and she isnt in mainstream name but she is as french as it gets. It is scary. She now has the ear of the potential next president and to think that he even brought her to a 9 11Memorial Last week. This is somebody who just last year said 9 11 was an Inside Job and that is one of the many Conspiracy Theories she pushed. She said a lot of disgusting vile things i wont repeat On Air in particular about the Vice President , Kamala Harris. To think then that this is who Donald Trump keeps in his Inner Circle is concerning. No question about it. What is appealing about her . Is it because she is complementing him or more than that . She is willing to defend everything he says or does. He likes that. He is the ultimate sycophants she is angling for some sort of job in the administration i imagine and maybe be the press secretary. She has posted about that before. That is concerning for me. I posted who would be with him if he is president again and who would be staffing the second administration. During the first administration you did have people of good character who wanted to staff him and would push back but in the second administration you will get those like a Laura Loomer to help run the country. To think that he would be in the White House potentially and serving in one of the most important roles and she is clearly a known liar pushing Conspiracy Theories and her job could potentially be the spokesperson for the president . That is terrifying. So when i talk about the threat of a second trump administration, this is what we refer to. It isnt crazy to think that he will be surrounding himself with these crazy types of people who will be Yes Men And Women who say and do whatever he pleases. I do want to stop on this for a second. You worked for him in the past and you have spoken against him. You say this is a person that i just introduced to you who could end up having a prominent role in a second Trump Term and this is what we are looking at . Exactly. The type of person who could potentially have that year of the leader of the free World And Somebody who traffics in Conspiracy Theories and says racist vile things. It makes me nervous about what a potential staff could look like for a Second Term. When you think about the cabinet level, there is the Senate Confirmation Process and a little bIt There that he cant put people in posts who are as extreme. But for most, they wont have control of that. He could pick whoever he wants. Exactly. He could pick people like her and there are plenty of other people on his campaign also that are not willing to push back. You wont get the people like John Kelly or Mark Esper in the first administration who are willing to tell Donald Trump no to tell him that he lost the election, for example, and push back on some of his worst instincts. In the Second Term you will get these people encouraging it. There are a few people and we have talked about this before. You spoke publicly about Donald Trump and everybody has not chosen to do that and there are a number of people like Lindsey Graham and Marjorie Taylor Greene who spoke out about their concerns about Laura Loomer but Donald Trump was pushing conspiracies about haitian immigrants in ohio. They seemed to be okay with that or unwilling to speak out about that. What do you make of that . There isnt a lot of daylight between Laura Loomer and Donald Trump. They both push racialist Races Conspiracy Theory series. I am from ohio. To think these hospitals and schools are coming under Bomb Threats. When Donald Trump is asked about it, he doesnt say we should stop the political violence and its unacceptable in this country and we need to bring down the temperature but he pours gasoline on the fire. It is what he wants to do. It is why he killed the bipartisan Immigration Deal in congress because he wants to run on this issue and rile up his supporters and tap into peoples fears. He is willing to spread lies about it and Jd Vance said this morning that they created a story to try to get the media to care about this. I dont know if you are winning this election if you are out there saying things like they are eating the cats and dogs and you are hanging out with Laura Loomer and tweeting i hate Taylor Swift. Americans dont care about this. They want to talk about healthcare and jobs and being able to afford groceries and put food on the table and feed their families. Donald Trump Isnt talking about the thanks. No question. Thank you for joining me. I really appreciate it. Coming up, Taylor Swift and Oprah Winfrey had a lot in common this week, using their platform to shed a light on major issues. We will talk about that when we come back. Business internet. Employees get the information they need instantly. This is how business goes further with tmobile for business. [suspenseful music] trains. [whoosh] trains that use the power of Dell Ai and intel. Clearing the way, [rumble] [whoosh] so you arrive exactly where you belong. Chase really knows how to put the hart in your local community. See what i did there . Hey, jackie evan, My Guy youre helping them with savings, right . i wish i had someone like evan when i started. Somebody just got their first Debit CardIce Cream on you . Ooo, tacos i got you. 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In the future of us and one of the experts featured was just on this and somebody that she credits with bringing her up to speed on the advancements of a. I. Even more powerful forms are coming in the stated goal of openai is to build systems that are even smarter than humans because there are trillions of dollars to be made on the other side. Now is the time for us to say what are the choices we want to make about how this technology comes out . What do you want to see happen now . Openai, google, microsoft, they have to be held accountable for the harms they create so they are incentivized to pull back and go with the pace that they can help society be prepared and not overwhelmed. Who is holding them accountable . Many of us. He joins me now, the center for humane technology cofounder. Thank you for joining us and this is an important topic and i want to talk to you about this exchange with you and Oprah Winfrey. It sounds incredibly scary and you are one of the foremost experts. Help us understand what will happen if our elected officials dont act. It is great to see you. This is the most powerful and transformative technology that humanity has ever built in deep fakes that Taylor Swift brought to the Worlds Attention with her post are one of the issues we have to face in this technology is moving insanely fast and this is the slowest least useful and least powerful a. I. Will ever be and it will only go faster and become more powerful very quickly. With Taylor Swift, she is a powerful and wealthy person and powerless against a single deep fake being made of her. It isnt just her. Regular high school students, who are the victims of apps or teenagers whose voices are stolen to extort their mothers as we highlighted in this Oprah Winfrey special. These are some of the issues we are facing in the reason why oprah wanted to bring this to the Worlds Attention, to the american public to say how do we hold these companies accountable. It is an important topic. A lot of people dont understand it. You are one of the foremost experts including people in charge of making the laws to help put restrictions and that are necessary. How do you help bridge that Knowledge Gap with elected officials in our country . That is a great question. There is a great quote that personnel is policy. If you want good policy you need more a. I. Expertise in government. That is what the president s Executive Order on a. I. In October Of 2023 called for. We need so much more to happen with a. I. Right now we are builders of technology. We believe we can build a good future. Right now we are building our future with a. I. The way you play a game like suddenly anybody can make an amazing video with a click of the button but we had to pull out a foundational block like jenga were nobody knows what is true. This isnt a way to build our future. It is creating a wobbly foundation. We believe there is a different way starting with things like liability. If you are liable for creating new risks in society, and those risks happen, that would cause a company to go to Payson Invest In Resources and strengthening the foundation rather than adding risk because they are currently caught in this race to rollout or a race to take shortcuts for the purpose of market dominance. We dont want to live in that kind of future we need to act now and make laws that Hold Companies accountable. We could have a two Hour Conversation about this. I want you to come back and talk more but we are 50 days out from the election. That same special the Fbi DirectorChristopher Wray told Oprah Winfrey that america should be look out for disinformation from foreign actors and for people and how they can discern this information and how a. I. Can be used by these bad actors, what concerns you most about the upcoming election . That is a great question. Obviously, deep fake technology is getting better and better. It takes three seconds of taking Somebodys Voice to deep fake their voice to say something they didnt say. We see this happening in other elections around the world. There are videos and with deep fake it has gotten more powerful. Americans need to look out for not assuming that everything you see on Social Media is true. The social dilemma is what is the lesson we learn from Social Media . The Business Model Isnt going for accurate and true information but going for the most outrageous content and its easier with deep fake to create that outrageous content. Tristan harris, very rarely do people who are experts in Technology Talk about things like that in an accessible way. Thank you for being one of those people and i appreciate your joining us for those wanting to understand it. I hope you come back and join us again. Of course. Thank you. I have one more thing to tell you about today and we are back after a quick break. Because its completely changed our lives. That does it for me today but we are working on a Big Show for Tomorrow Night. The former president s niece, mary trump, will be joining me. She has a new book out and we will have a lot to talk about over the last several days. And Senator John awesome off will join me in Tomorrow Night it will happen and that is coming Tomorrow Night but for now stay where you are because there is more news coming up