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Thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. We are grateful to be with ari melber. Hi. We are all grateful. So grateful. Dupuis the Grateful Dead . Of course. Berkeley. We all grow up on the Grateful Dead. Im going to be honest. You grew up in berkeley. I dont think i knew that. I went to berkeley. I grew up about seven, i think turn miles away in arrenda. Respect. We have a big dead head here in our beat team. Now other people whats the campaign, the more you know . With the star. Good to see you, nicole. Have a good show. Thank you. Welcome to The Beat. Kamala harris looking to build on the momentum. Two nights ago Donald Trump and i had our first debate. And i believe we owe it to the voters to have another debate. Because this electiOn And what is at stake could not be more important. On Tuesday Night i talked about issues that i know matter to ac bringing down the cost of living. Investing in americas small businesses. Protecting reproductive Freedom And Keeping and keeping our nation safe and secure. But thats not what we heard from Donald Trump. Instead, it was the same old show. That same tired playbook that weve heard for years. With no plans for how he would address the needs of the american people, because you know its all about him. Its not about you. Well, folks, i said it then. Ill say it now. Its time to turn the page. Kamala harris clearly confident there saying she wants another debate. Trump today posting online, he doesnt want another debate. Make of that what you will about how they both think they did. Lets be clear, this week as we approach The End of It Top caps another milestone for harris in what is a compressed campaign. She raised 47 Million in 24 hours after the debate. Thats their best haul since she announced her candidacy, and this has become something of a pattern. It is worth recalling that initially harris was facing doubters before she entered the race, including a d. C. Press corps that had panned her work as vp. She initially quieted them with a strong start to the campaign. Many headliners said not only was it going well, but better than expected. What does expected mean . Compared to the same Headline Writers and other d. C. Types. Then she faced an often republicanled campaign saying she should do more press. She has done a national tv interview, Radio Interview and all positive reviews. Then there were questions about how she would handle trump as a debater. Its true, Donald Trump has rattled even experienced debaters, including the 2016 field. Thats a point we reported On And heard about earlier on this week on this program. Donald trump may be a crude liar, but that has not always made him easy to handle on that debate stage. Kamala harris handled him. New Polls Today show that among americans who say they are familiar with the debate, remember, 67 Million people watched it live, millions more saw some highlights or discussion or read coverage about it, will show you the results. Early polls say harris won the president ial debate and the numbers most say harris won double the share who say trump won, you can see that. Most Thought Trump stumbled. He was not sharp. Only one out of five voters thought of that of harris. Strong take away. Striking in our polarized electorate. 40 Back Trump. Even those who Back Trump dont say he won because its all the way down to 24 . Simple math. Some americans have heard from the conservative voices piercing trumps campaign claim about a great debate. There have been tough critiques of His Meandering performance. Let me break it down briefly. Not that complicated. Its politics, right . Not everyone is being honest. Some of the republicans saying trump blew it may just be telling the truth. Going about their lives and careers and saying what they see honestly. Others, for example, Trump Campaign surrogate Rfk Jr. May be hoping that theyre going to somehow get through to trump through the television, weve seen that before, and so they are actually trying to help him by giving him the truth that i just showed you, that he did poorly, the voters think he did poorly, including republicans, which is a problem when you are running for office. Theyre trying to say he did badly to get him to correct his mistakes before its too late. Against joe biden, that guy absolutely. Attacked and was ready with answers. That didnt here. What do you think happened here . Absolutely. She was loaded for bear, No Doubt about it. Donald trump lost and this is not the worst Debate Performance ive seen in my career but close to it. Vice president harris clearly won the debate in terms of her delivery, her polish, her organization. I think that he loses because of this Debate Performance. Wow. Last voice there is a right Leaning Pollster frank luntz. He is projecting out to the future, ive told you, well keep track of this together as we go towards election day. We cant say anything responsible about votes that havent been cast yet. Well start monitoring early votes and polling but No Ones happened. The debate may or may not result. As far as Rfk Jr. , he recently endorsed trump, looking for a job, he has every reason if you analyze them by their incentives, he has every reason to want trump to win. He might be saying something positive for harris, bad for trump, but it would be a reasonable conclusion that someone involved in the spin room, he was there, all of that, Trump Endorser wants a job thinks if they can get trump to realize how poorly he did, maybe they can improve him and help him get back on track and still maybe win. As for what debates do, they blast beyond the night of the thing even if so many people watch it live. And the people talking about what happened in the debate often are the people who have something to invoke or they think they won. So im going to show you new from Kamala Harris how she is using trumps debate answers to make points, and she would argue, to educate and Eddie Phi the voters about where he stands and why hes running and hiding from where he really stands. Donald trump intends to end the affordable care act. You heard what he said in the debate. He has no plan to replace it. He said he said, concepts of a plan. Oh, you all watched the debate . Concepts. Concepts. No actual plan. Concepts. Donald trump refused to say that he would veto a national abortion ban. Do you remember that . He refused to answer that question. Refused to answer that question. Well, im going to tell you, when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom, as President Of The United States i will proudly, proudly sign it into law. All who worked with him every day in the white house, sat with him in the Oval Office have warned america, Donald Trump is not fit to be President Of The United States and should never again occupy our nations highest office. Do we believe in freedom . Yes do we believe in opportunity . Yes do we believe in the promise of america . Yes and are we ready to fight for it . Yes and when we fight, we win harris, bridging some of those key moments she wanted to highlight from the debate, from a some speech. A remix powered by what she and her campaign thinks was a great night. After the charlotte rally, harris is in greensboro. Harris is in a colosseum with a 10,000 capacity. If she fills it up at all, she will be far more than tripling his crowd. A contrast democrats have been pushing, including a mobile billboard that will circle trumps rally. They have that ad with the same thing citing obamas speech. She had a big crowd. This weird obsession with crowd sizes. It just goes On And On And on. On and on. Both campaigns looking at the Swing States. Harris will go to pa tomorrow, trump to nevada. Theres the mood music. The u. S. Is facing all kinds of problem from the economy, to uncertainty abroad, wars raging. Thats one reason, remember, biden and harris have both faced headwinds. There are plenty of real reasons that have nothing to do with politicians but actual real world and economic realities that have people concerned in america but theres also some signs of a turning. Take a look at rupert Mourdocks Wall Street journal today. The most important financial publication. Im going to show you todays front page. The Blaring Headlines that are rattling the Trump Campaign. Inflation slowing to a threeyear low. Right next to it, both trumps Debate Missteps have gop fretting. This is what Wall Street and many leading conservatives are waking up to this morning. This is the music inside the paper an Op Ed from Karl Rove, a catastrophic performance. He likens trumps poor performance, his comparison, to a pig which cannot be prettied up. Interests no putting lipstick on this pig. Rove writes mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously said was, quote, dumb as a rock. What does that make him . Tough question from a republican. Now Karl Rove has clashed with trump. He can dismiss this as more trump antibias. The Harris Campaign would love that if trump continues to dismiss republicans trying to warn him hes doing poorly or his own supporters like Rfk Jr. Ignoring facts and Sound Advice and traditional, solid Debate Prep is what helped trump get into this mess this week. In fact, political reporter John Heilman said trumps two campaign people could lose their jobs for leveling about him about a poor debate. Is there anyone around him who at this point can say, hey, man, if the idea is to win a general election, what you did the other night is not helping . There are two people who can say that and i think who have said that and theyre both hanging by a thread with their jobs right now. Stephen miller and matt gaetz, people who went in and the great Debate Prepper of our time, gabbert and gaetz, which was kind of taking shape but who was not out there in the spin room, Suzy Wilds and tim lasaveda. They were not out there and that speaks to the reporting about whether trump can face facts. Democrats have had their own issues facing the facts. I bet you remember them. But Democrats Campaign assessed that it was doing so poorly this summer they didnt just change the style or the message, they changed the nominee. Now Donald Trump might change his campaign manager. Think about it. According to the report, it would be the opposite reason from democrats, right . Democrats said heres reality, we need to adjust. Trump would say, i dont like them telling me the reality, im going to fire the people saying it. Thats what heilman was saying. Trump Running Away from the reality. After the most eventful week of the whole harris trump matchup, where does this all leave us . Again, some things matter more than others. The fact here in the data that most people think harris won the debate is a big take away this week. Number two, top republicans say that and are searching for ways to move trump towards reality, to face that so he might improve his positiOn And hes resisting it. The trump does not want to hear that he lost the debate anymore than he can accept he lost the election. Ultimately others committed crimes over that lie. We know that story. Lying tactics that once hurt his opponents though or even confused his followers seem to be losing their punch and thats the third and important thing here. Trump is lying himself into sheer absurdity. Think about the pets. Our nation beholding this Aging Politician doubling down on his peteating delusions which, and this matters in politics, are boomeranging on him amidst the denunciations of the race baiting, immigration thing, theres also laughter, bemusement, political pity, which Harris Evinced For Americans in real tile. It was like a Reaction Video of a very, very bad uncle you dont want to hear from anymore . They say after the laughter comes the tears. Well, sometimes after the laughter people just look away. Is that happening here . Still a tight race in the key states. The debate clearly didnt help trump. Most people think he lost and it hurt him. Republicans are warning him to face that fact, and for him time could be running out. We are back with two experts to chop it up on this in just 90 seconds. Seconds. Lready know, its jeep . Probably the same way you know if a trex is chasing a jeep wrangler. Is getting away. Yep or if it takes you places that make you say, woah. 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Many americans said she won. Does that matter this week . Well, republicans have been saying for some time that theyre going with harris, theyre going to say that publicly. That does matter. The thing that is most exciting to me, ari, thats important that matters, we are seeing so many people stepping up to volunteer boots on the ground for the campaign. At The End of the day its fine for us to chop it up but at The End of the day what matters is getting voters out, getting voters motivated. You have 2,000 vol Lun Hers tears who just signed up on tuesday alone in North Carolina that say we want to do what we can to elect Kamala Harris. That kind of energy, you Cant Bottle it up when you have foot soldiers saying we are there for you. Doesnt matter what everyone is talking about, were going to do the work and make sure you can get elected. We have seen throughout history, molly, even in authoritarian states, dictators will go after political cartoonists, they dont want to be mocked. Trump famously was upset be being mocked by President Obama at the correspond departments dinner. Leaving that aside, people did find him entertaining. You can say it was unfortunate but there was a time especially in the right and middle he was seen as changing up, shaking up policies. Now hes become the joke. Yes. I said the old uncle. Apologies to uncles. Call him an old guy. You call it whatever you want. Hes become the joke. So on the pets, lets Take A Look at how thats playing across the internet. He was awful tonight. She, on the other hand, was very wellprepared. He was terrible tonight. Former President Trump did take a lot of the bait that she threw out. He took all the Bait And None of the opportunity. We heard so many of the old grievances that we all Thought Trump had learned were not winners politically. He went down a few Cat And Dog holes rather than Rabbit Holes tonight. Eating the dogs. Theyre eating the cats. Eat the cats. The people on television saying my dog was taken and used for food. Eat the cat. Eat the cat. They are eating the dogs. Theyre eating the cats. Theyre eating the dogs. Theyre eating the cats. Ill let you respond to the rest of what you heard. Talk about extreme. Molly . Hes gotten very good at shutting him down. Nobody is eating cats. Nobody is eating dogs. Its a lie, right . That is a lie. Its racist. Its othering. Its the same thing he did with the muslim ban, right . This is what Donald Trump likes to do, and its one of the hallmarks of authoritarianism. This other group is going to take away your stuff so we need to do very crazy and, you know, inhumane things to them. Thats the road were going down because that kind of othering only leads in one place. I would say shes done a very good job of just laughing him off, of shutting him down, of not giving him oxygen but in the same sense still standing up for herself and being able to claim the space for herself. She made a very good case. I was asking specifically about the reactions, too. Right. In other words, shes going to set the tone. Ten years ago a viral Debate Moment was the actual Debate Moment. Right. Nowadays, some of the Debate Moments, this is how people are getting their information, when you are being remixed like that and youre the butt of the joke, that lives for weeks. Right. People used to say, fact check him. Its like, nobody believes this. Right. Theres no fact check necessary, its embarrassing for him. Part of it, hes been are you being for president for a decade. People are used to what he says. Theyre on to him. Yeah. Aisha, weve been covering Taylor Swift. Rachel is calling this consequential. Taylor swift endorsed this and she urged registration. Take a look. One voter ready to speak now. Taylor swift is now in her endorsement era, get it. She says, quote, i will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. I am incredibly grateful to taylor vift. I say that as a cat owner. Fellow cat owner. Perhaps the most anticipated and potentially consequential celebrity campaign endorsement. If you shall over 18, please register to vote for something else coming up. Presidential election. I love you guys so, so much. First of all, how can you just not love Tim Walz . I want to hug him. He seems like an awesome guy. What is really incredible about the way Taylor Swift is using herr platform, i keep going back to mobilization. We can laugh, we can meme, we can remix all day long, but the mobilization is whats going to actually win this campaign. During the debate you did see this surge in people googling for how do i register to vote, but when she put out her endorsement, you saw a massive speak again. Something like over 300,000 people clicked on the link to go to a Voter Registration Website to figure it out. What is that telling us . Its telling us there are hundreds of thousands of people, presumably gen z, younger people, registering for the first time because they are motivated to participate. Thats the part of it i think we need to keep our eye on. It is hilarious to look at all of the memes and poke fun at this guy, but if that can be translated into all of these folks feeling inspired to go to the polls, were on to something. The other thing thats weird about living right now, molly, its like Everything Matters or nothing matters. Theres got to be some space in between. Right. The times is reporting after all of this, weve tracked the reaction to the debate, i want to include this, harriss strategy, they say, is to put herself in front of as many voters as possible. Her aides, harris aides believe at its heart after the good week they have, the race is fundamentally, quote, unchanged. Yeah. Its a little upsetting. What are we doing here . You know, Donald Trump is saying people are eating dogs and shes got policy plans. I mean yeah. It seems very asymmetrical, right . It does seem very asymmetrical, but the reality is i think what the Harris Campaign is doing, which is really smart, is theyre just going to keep campaigning. One of the reasons why she was a good candidate for this was because she is 59 years old and she is going to go through all of the Swing States on a bus and shes going to talk to people and shes going to buy spices and records and talk to local people and show them that she really is this very compelling candidate whos very competent and has more experience than many, many people running for president and who can do the job. All really interesting and, again, such a Big Week and then you see, well, whats left to move. Molly and aisha, thank you both. Thank you. Let me tell you both whats coming up. We have a live interview with kamalas trump. Di the Debate Prep work . 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Kamala Harris got Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney and now she has a new endorsement from a very high profile busch republican. Alberto gonzalez. He oversaw including how to deal with the Laws Of War and allegations of torture by the united states. His record, like many busch officials is mixed, but hes seen as a doj hawk, if you want to put it that way. Hes coming out for Kamala Harris. Quote, i cannot sit quietly by as trump perhaps the most serious threat to the united states in a generation, eyes a return to the white house. Dick cheney, your father, a beloved figure among democrats for many, many years, dune if he will be supporting or voting for, do you care to share with us . Dick cheney will be voting for Kamala Harris. Wow. These are no longer isolated instances. These are not just people who Say Cross Paths with Donald Trump or have personal animus as he and the republicans have sometimes tried to claim. We are well beyond a grouping and a pattern. We are witnessing something more like a republican bipartisan onslaught, both embracing Harris And Fighting against Donald Trump ever getting back into power. Over 200 bush, Mccain And Romney veterans have endorsed harris. We hear a lot about bipartisanship in america, in d. C. Debates. It would seen that if bipartisanship is judged according to an actual definition, two parties coming together about something, harris is the bipartisan choice by a landslide. We are joined by barbara comstock, also among that group supporting harris. She also worked in the Bush Doj and on bushs 2000 campaign. She here is posing with george w. Bush, former president. He has not announced a positiOn And is allegedly staying neutral. Welcome. Good evening. Good to be with you. Good to have you. I think its fair to say, i dont want to start out with labels, that you are not known for your wokism, Deep Progressivism and the like but i am curious why you have reached this position, what it means Cheney And Wallace have, though differences remain, they can be hashed out next year, why so many republicans are saying harris is the bipartisan choice . Well, i did not support trump from the beginning, but as you said, i do consider myself certainly a center right republican. But it really, i think, for myself and for these other 200 plus republicans, its putting the country first, putting the constitutiOn And the Rule Of Law first. I think thats why youve seen so many lawyers, Liz Cheney is a lawyer as well as attorney general gonzalez. You have a lot of white House Counsel who served under ragan, bush also come out against Donald Trump and the great concern about the lack of respect for the Rule Of Law with Donald Trump. So that is a great concern for all of us. You see that every day with him. You saw it in the debate. You certainly see it at the convention. Just yesterday he was talking about, you know, lets, you know, take the license away from abc because they were mean to him. He didnt like the questions they asked him. That is unconstitutional. We have a first amendment. But this is how he behaves. He wants to send those of us who oppose him, he talks about prosecuting Liz Cheney or Vice President cheney, so this is, you know he wants to be a dictator on day one, that is not the Rule Of Law. You mentioned people who have some experience. We live in an era where a lot of expertise is sort of attacked, degraded or dismissed, and then there are perhaps those conversions, you really need a doctor, you might respect him a little more. I think its interesting because you just said what you and gonzalez and others, Liz Cheney have in common, have been in the room, seeing how hard it is, on the big issues what you talk about the abuse of the power, the military going to happen or not, yes, there are guardrails, but they come later. They come after the fact. It would seem that each of you are concerned that in a second term the guardrails might not hold the same way. Is that a fair warning about trump . Oh, most definitely. Certainly after January 6th, you know, and everything we learned in the January 6th committee, its clear that the guardrails arent there and the people who saw that up close most, you know, Vice President pence, you know, his staff, all those people who even though they may not have come out for Vice President harris at this point, they are clearly not supporting him. People like his chief of staff, John Kelly, while he left before January 6th, he certainly has commented on it. You know, he has famously made the statements about Donald Trump and his remarks about our war dead, our War Heroes that suckers and losers. I know John Kelly myself. He was a constituent. I do believe him. And certainly anyone who knows John Kelly believes him over Donald Trump, a felon, a dishonorable person. And then theres also, i mean, the reason i opposed him back in 2016 is the misogyny and Liz Cheney talked about that. Thats why i think you see so many republican women opposing him, and i think there will be more, is this is the most misogynist ticket that youve ever seen. J. D. Vance only magnified and multiplied that even more. And Liz Cheney called them misogynist pigs and i second that emotion. I have a daughter and four Grand Dot 2ers. When i came out not only in opposition for Donald Trump but affirmatively supporting the Vice President , i felt, you know, her record as a prosecutor on sex crimes, that was important to me. Somebody who is reaching out to women and, you know, really supporting women and welcoming republicans and those of us who are disaffected and standing up for women, you know, who had been victims, that that was something that was really engrained in her from the time she was a young person, a high school student. She told that story at the convention. A lot of those things that were engrained in the Vice President appealed to us who find Donald Trump so offensive and disqualified for this office, as a felon, as someone whos been adjudicated of sexual assault. It all makes sense. Weve seen his type as the Vice President says. There you go, quoting the vp. Cant have him in that office. The Vice President id like to be positive, not just against trump. I think the Vice President has acquitted herself so well to be thrown, you know, into this situation in a month and really put together this coalition, not just the democratic coalition, but i think the independents and now all of these republicans and to have done so well with the convention. To go up against that bully and, as i was describing it to someone earlier today, remember the movie back to the future. Everyone wants someone to really put Biff And Stick him in the locker, and she stuck biff in the locker. You know, Donald Trump being biff. I i think that makes sense. While were running over on time, i will tell you, it does raise the question can anyone get ahold of a Time Machine to bring us back to 2016 with the lessons we learned . Thats a more existential question. I think it takes women. I appreciate you joining us tonight and walking us through your thinking. Thank you. Were going to fit in the break. We have our eyes on the 2024 campaign. 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Kamala harris won the debate. That is a sentence you can attribute to top republicans, swing voters. Some telling Usa Today she was so prepared and that worked. Trump said some truly wild lies. Take a look. People on television saying my dog was taken and used for food. Springfield City Manager says theres no evidence for that. Well find out. Victor orban, one of the most respected men. Strong man. Execution, no longer abortion. The baby is born. Every democrat, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states. That was just some of the memorable moments that have gone viral as i mentioned, viral bad. By the president ial level there are no trigger words you dont admit you have no plan but that you only have concepts of a plan. Movie buffs echo it echos annie hall. Just a yes or no. You still do not have a plan . I have concepts of a plan. Right now its a notion. I can get a concept. I have concepts of a plan. Turn that concept into an idea. These things have become instantly notorious. Now you also have the question of how you deal with an unusual debater like trump, which is putting it charitably. You have to bait him, said many democrats. You have to make sure you are making him respond and not just letting all those weird, wild, whacky statements predominate. The new york times said harris succeeded in provoking trump into veering off track. She has more experience than nominees. As a lawyer and prosecutor, shes more comfortable with prep. Lawyers even the very top ones tend to understand if you rely on a smart team and listen and keep an open mind you will do better in oral argument. More people involved mean there are things you can prepare for. Her team was strong. He Played Trump in mock debates. He needs a facial haircut and cleanse after getting so into character. In Clintons Debate sessions he famously tried to embody the physicality of trump as well. Were going to let this play out. 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Announcer lets Cure Childhood Cancer together. President trump . You think you can deliver the goods against the commander and chief puff . If i do debate President Trump im sure it will be a competitive faceoff where either one of us could end up on top. Really . No, i would wipe the floor with him. There you have it. Were joined now by Kamala Harris Debate Prep partner who Played Trump, philippe reines, who also did that duty for hillary clinton. Welcome. Thank you, ari. What worked in the prep . Well, frankly, the way i think about it is first, she had a great team around her, both normally and for Debate Prep. Coled by karen dunn, these people Ran A Frictionless really efficient, and im the Ball Boy or the ball machine, i should say, or both. You want to test the forehand, you throw it to the forehand. You want to test the backhand. The point is to get someone accustomed to what theyre going to see and hear. She actually never met Donald Trump, which worked out well because i had never met her. I think there is a certain sense of in some way she was saying what 70 Million people were probably thinking watching the debate. Its almost like Mystery Science Theater 2025. Where were all just sitting there thinking a couple aliens watching an old movie, yeah. And look, the guy is malfunctioning. And theres a problem. A debate, though, is a job interview. And you are trying to talk to the people who are deciding to hire you. And that is exactly what the Vice President was doing. She was trying to tell them what she offers, she was trying to answer questions. And shes got a guy, you know, a few feet to her right with a chainsaw who knows the only way to win is to cut you up. You have a loyal and long relationship with the democratic party, with clinton, and youre very positive on harris even if youre not personally close with her. Did you feel any compunction about getting in your Trump Bag . I assume you had to be loud and rude. I mean, you have to be everything. You have to be loud, you have to be rude. You have to be occasionally normal. You have to not make sense. You have to speak very staccato, short sentences. You have to do a lot of things. Its not just about yelling epithets or any nasty stuff. Its really about getting someone accustomed to, but look, i mean, i met her and i said, you know, madam Vice President , its very nice to meet you. About 20 minutes later, i was calling her some of the names he was. And i think its worth noting that this started out as the Vice President saying, if you have something to say, say it to my face. And boy, did he hold back. I watch his rallies all the time, and he just didnt have the guts. Well, you could call it the guts. It was different than how he approached clinton, many people, you said job interview, looking at him and whether he lost a step or not. Did you ever have to say a lot of people are saying . Oh, god. I mean, i think i was we were Eating Lunch and i said a lot of people are saying the pastrami is better. I forgot how to pronounce her name correctly because i was doing it incorrectly enough. Hes not i think the term is noncomps mentis. We all see him, we know hes not the most eloquent person, but something has been going on. As someone who spent too much time looking into this and trying to mimic him, and as did bob bauer, who did the same thing for President Biden, we were comparing notes and there was something over the nine years, the language has really deteriorated. Something is decompensating. Hes trailing off. He isnt just digressing. Hes losing track. He seems to have Name Recall issues. And look, hes coming up on 80. Theres a certain absurdity to the fact that everyone was so attuned to President Biden. Thats fine if thats what the basis is, but lets do it both. When President Biden was 78 and he was elected, you know what, people didnt see it that way. 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