With his eyes on the rest of europe, starting with poland. Why didnt you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would you for lunch. Seeing it a second time. Thank you for being with us as we digest it was a very lopsided debate as it turns out. We all knew the Stakes Tonight were almost unimaginably high. We knew it would be a debate like No Other and a president ial race like No Other, but now, we know how it went and why the Harris Campaign is so pleased with how it went. I will tell you something. He will talk about immigration a lot even though its of the Subject Being raised. I will do something unusual and i will invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallies. Its a really interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fixed noble characters like hannibal lector. He will talk about windmills cause cancer, and what you will also notice as people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires. I will tell you i believe you deserve a president who actually put you first, and i pledge to you that i will. She said people start leaving. People dont go to her rallies. There is no reason to go. The people that do go, shes buzzing them in and paying them to be there. Then showing them in a different light. She Cant Talk about that. People dont leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. Repeatedly tonight, Kamala Harris managed to make her case about what she would do as president and why americans should vote for her while also just baiting Donald Trump into almost spitting bad mad defensiveness. Trump appeared agitated and angry. He shouted and interrupted while Vice PresidentKamala Harris seemed to stay calm and focused. She repeatedly managed to steer the discussion back to the point she wanted to make. Trump repeatedly got lost in tangents and Self Interruptions with things like marxism and windmills and Solar Panels and the desert soil. Desert soil . Imaginary people eating dogs and why he believes is true despite it being debunked because he saw it on television, and who can argue with that . The contrast between the candidates was stark on the topic of abortion, as we know it would be. Dot tried to claim that everyone including all democrats, all americans were desperate for roe v. Wade to be overturned. People love him for getting it done. That his script and hes sticking to it. Here was harriss response. In over 20 states, there are Trump Abortion bans which make It Criminal for a Doctor Or Nurse to provide Health Care. In one state it provides prison for life. Trump Abortion Bans that make no exception even for and incest. A survivor of a crime a violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. That is immoral. One does not have to abandon their faith are deeply held believes to agree the Government And Donald trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. Notably, Trump Tonight repeatedly refused to say if he would sign or veto a national Abortion Ban if it came to his desk. He notably repeatedly refused to say whether he thought it would be good for ukraine to win the war against russia. When asked if he has a Health Care plan to replace obamacare, which he said he wants to repeal, trump said that he had, quote, concepts of a plan. None of us knows right now whether this debate will have any affect on this incredibly close president ial race but if the goal of the Harris Campaign was for Kamala Harris to make the case for herself, and to needle Donald Trump into being the worst version of himself on television, it seems clear they feel they accomplished that goal tonight. Lets go back to Swing State Arizona where Jacob Soboroff watch the Debate Tonight with a group of voters who we met before kicked off. Im sort of desperate to know what Everybody Thought of it . It really is a profound privilege to get to do this and spend time with folks like the people in this room that i did get to watch the debate with tonight. Nobody watched this debate coming out of it who said, who wasnt coming in Ski Voting for Trevor Thinking of voting for trump, there are multiple people in this group who are either going to participate on behalf of Vice PresidentKamala Harris or are leaning harris. One thing i want to say is its 97 degrees in phoenix, its 9 00 p. M. And over 100 degrees, think its fair to say people were happy Climate Change came up, but i want to start with denise. I got messages from folks asking she wrote herself and 2016 and 2020, how could you think of doing that again . Most interestingly meted me is you might do that you might not do that. I why is you get what i think deeply emotional during the portion of the debate about reproductive rights. What Vice PresidentKamala Harris had to say about the. Why . For years we have had Men Legislatures tell us we cant have abortions. We have to do this with our bodies and do that with our bodies. We never had control and finally we have someone who was a woman who gets its about us. Abortion has been in our society and been around much longer than roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade protected women of Childbearing Wares from the charlatans and hacks and the people who were not doing right by them. The doors open and it feels like a connection was formed between you and Vice President harris that wasnt there. Absolutely. I would like to know more. Trump has been campaigning a long time and now harris is thrust in the spotlight so its sort of like the Parliamentarian System versus American System of campaigning. I would like to know more. But it made an impact. Thank you. Let me start with you on the economy. We talked before how you could be one month away, these are your words, from homelessness based on jobs and affordability. When Vice PresidentKamala Harris said, Donald Trump has no plan for you. Speaking of the economy. You were talk about politicians dont have a connection to you. Do you feel what harris was talking about maybe in that moment spoke to you . Yeah, i feel like Donald Trump speaking for examples, since these other candidate, i feel like he doesnt care about me and my issues. I feel like Kamala Harris does. She says, shes for the middle class. She was considered middleclass when she was growing up. She said that at the top. Yeah. Also, it sounds to me small businesses she also talked about. She made an impact. I want to talk to bonnie, an elementary school teacher. Is so you rolling your eyes when former President Trump was talking about Harriss Plan and said Run Spot run. He was mocking her, making a joke about a childrens book. Its about the war in ukraine and former President Trumps refusal to say wants ukraine to win seem to bother you. At one of those times during the debate. I was disappointed at the fact that he didnt give a direct answer to that. You are either for a country and its ideals, or you are not. I was frankly surprised that he didnt give a direct answer as to whether he was supporting ukraine are not. Year another folk here who said in between the debate and now that the doors open for you to vote for Vice PresidentKamala Harris. What else would you like to see from her . I would like to see more off Thecuff Type interviews and answering questions that are practiced or set up ahead of time. Its been an abbreviated campaign. You will probably get that. I hope to hear more from her. Lets go to jeff. Jeff was after the last debate, trump no. Biden, o, hell, no. The doors open for you now. You were saying the portion of the debate about January 6, by the way we are and maricopa county, one of the centers of election denialism, local elections are highly contested about Election Administrators who denied not only the results of the 2020 election but denied the midterms, but the integrity of the system going into 2024, what bothered you so much about former President Trump. You say you are a Mccain Republican. Saying he had no regrets about January 6 . Its hard to get my head around that. He said i didnt do anything except give a speech. He was orchestrating how the whole situation was playing a. He told the Secret Service got to take the Metal Detectors out and let people come in uninspected. Thats a terrible thing. There were other things going on for 2. 5 hours when hes prancing around the White House and it seemed, how can you not take responsibility at some point for the whole thing . I didnt see any other banners up there but trump banners. I think it was a heavily skewed group in favor of trump. You didnt believe him. No. Liars dont she and cheaters dont lie. I said that wrong. Cheaters to win and cheaters dont what did harris make an you tonight is a Mccain Republican . Mccain came in and said it would be a disaster for the country of trump got back into the office and his brother did too. I mean, i think theres a clear line that people understand the importance of this election and people who want to play keyboard warriors and making a fuss and saying heinous things about other people. That is trump, a bully. Kamala harris came out showing decorum, president ial nature about her. I think the doors a little open. Thank you. Nicole, on policy, i think its accurate to say you may never vote for Vice PresidentKamala Harris based on the policies she has. It also sounds like this to meet, debate that you will never vote for former President Trump, at least again . Yeah, i think people want to separate policy from character. I dont see how you can do that . I cannot behind somebody who may be i agree with certain policies on, but their character is atrocious and lacks complete leadership. Think you very much. One carlos, we were talking before the debate about how you didnt cash you were leaning trumpet you didnt like his rhetoric toward immigrants. We heard these unfounded claims, its almost, its hard to even say about people stealing and eating animals in ohio. We know thats not true but he repeated it anyways. He talked about murderers and insane asylum of people coming across The Border. Did it bother you . Certain things bothered me. Even though he said that, we have secured border. Weve had a lot of people going through The Border legally. My family went through a long process to get here legally so i think its unfair for those to get here without problems in the federal government helps them out. We have lost americans because how many illegals leading in. The young boy could killed in ohio by illegal immigrant. The family said they didnt like j. D. Vance talking about their son and they dont want it to affect migrants in a negative way. Not like that, but that Guy Wasnt allowed here illegally, we would have a lot of people here with us. What about the Border Bill . Vice president Kamala Harris made a specific focus of pointing out how former President Trump killed the Border Bill, one of the most conservative in the history of the united states, for political reasons. He did not deny that. Did that bother you caring so much about The Border . It bothered me. We dont have the best option right now and we havent for a good few years. The selection being a first time voter, feels like you vote for an okay candidate or less okay candidate. I can go with trump, being conservative, but some parts go against what he preaches. All right. Thank you very much. Lets end with you. You went biden 2020 and you were leaning trump. Is it correct to say the door is open again for harris . A, after this debate she has piqued my interest but im still leaning toward trump. He didnt surprise me in any Way Today so he still is on what is it about harris, what do you want to know More About her and if you were to go to her coming in as a potential trump photo, but could be the deciding factor . I think with harris theres Question Mark centering this debate. I didnt know a lot about her other than she served as Vice President. Today she couldnt talk about her policy. I need to step away and do my own research and look at my website. Is probably what they want to hear from a voter like you. Before we go, Show Of Hands coming into this debate, two a few leaning trump, are you going to vote for trump . Let me do like this, trump if youre sure youre going to vote for trump, raise your hand. If i were to vote today right now i would vote for trump. Harris, if you had to vote today, raise your hand . You just want to know more . I want to know more. Nicole is not going to vote for either. Thank you for hosting us in the sweltering hot night. Its interesting to see a group of people who were largely undecided or noncommittal, the door has been open to harris after this debate then to former President Trump. Again, thank you to all of you for the privilege of being able to hang out with you guy. Please tell everyone there the we are grateful the to talk us through, its invaluable. Like i said, as far as im concerned they passed the audition for being on local news. For sure. I will let them know. Jacob soboroff in phoenix. Fascinating to see the transition and so many of those undecided voters in arizona over the course of this debate that positive impression of Vice PresidentKamala Harriss performance seems to be matching Snap Polling thats happening and match by the impression in our studios at msnbc in terms of the performance of these two candidates. The Harris Campaign has to be ecstatic by the performance of their candidate tonight. The Trump Campaign, we will see. Our coverage continues after this. As we go out, this is Vice PresidentKamala Harris making her case for, she put it, turning the page. Of this at the capitol on January 6. I was a Vice President elect. I was an acting senator. I was there. On that day, the President Of The United States incited a violent mob to attack our nations capitol. To desecrate our nation musky capitol on that day, 140 Law Enforcement officers were injured, and some died. Understand the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason. This is not an isolated situation. Lets remember, charlottesville where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing antisemitic hate and what to the president then at the time say . There were fine people on each side. Lets remember that when it came to the proud boys, a militia, the former president said, stand back and stand by. For everyone watching who remembers what January 6 the was, i say, we dont have to go back. Lets not go back. We are not going back. It is time to turn the page. If that was a bridge too far for you, there is a place in our campaign for you. Gn for yo No Other mattress cradles your body and simultaneously supports your spine. Memory foam doesnt come close. Get your best sleep guaranteed. Save up to 1,000 during our labor day sale. Visit purple. Com or a store near you. I am Jen Psaki picking up the special coverage of Tonights President ial debate. This was, as you know, the first Vice President ial president ial debate Kamala Harris and Donald Trump have ever done together. The first time they ever met. From the first moments when the Vice President when in for a handshake, that was a decision that Donald Trump had no interest in. She pretty much controlled the debate from then on. She bookended with her case for what she would do with working people. She delivered a masterpiece of an answer on abortion rights. Will play that a little later. She made trump look small, over and over and over again. What we all just watched was a well prepared and pretty fierce Kamala HarrisProsecuting The Case Against Trump and talking directly to the american people about things they care about like issues about abortion rights, the economy, democracy itself. On The Other Side, We Saw a grumpy and unhinged at moment Donald TrumpRanting And Raving and lying about Crowd Sizes and people eating their hats. That happened during the debate. We have a lot we will talk about. We will play sound throughout the next hour and 40 minutes. I have the perfect people standing by but i want to start when harris got under trumps skin. I am going to do something unusual and i will invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallies. Its an interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters like hannibal lector. He will talk about windmills cause cancer. What you will also notice his people start leaving his rallies early, out of exhaustion and boredom. I will tell you one thing you wont hear him talk about is you. You will not hear him talk about your needs, your dreams, and your desires. I believe you deserve a president who actually put you first, and i pledge to you i will. Let me respond as to the rallies. She said people start leaving. People dont go to her rallies. The people who do go, shes busing them in and paying them to be there. Showing them in a different light. She Cant Talk about that. People dont leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. Who knew he would be baited and triggered about a discussion of Crowd Size. Who knew . From there things only got better for Kamala Harris hours for Donald Trump. One person who looked at this and said they had seen enough was Taylor Swift. Who in a lengthy and impassioned Instagram Post to hurt 283 Million followers endorsed Kamala Harris for president. Yes, she did it with a cat photo. Joining me at the table are my friends Ari Melber and correspondent, and former Rnc ChairmanMichael Steele and joining us are more friends, Alex Wagner who has been in the Spin Room for 117 hours approximately and host of the Bulwark Podcast tim miller. You warriors in philadelphia, i will start with you. Alex, before the debate you pointed out that there was not an ambitious plan by the Trump Team to have a lot of people in the Spin Room. They had a less impressive line of. Trump came himself, so there is that. Talk a little about what that scene was like and what else you observed in the moments after the debate. I mean, i think i refer to it as murderers row, sarcastically. The Trump Line above spinners. Rfk jr. , vivek ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard and on the harris side, three governors, three senators, four congress people, Gold Star father, Et Cetera i think its telling that trump to some degree, there were rumors he might come, but the u. S. Secret service has a pretty stringent, as you know, Screening Process and this is a person who just had an Assassination Attempt on his life in the Screening Process was not very stringent. I was telling Governor Newsom i got a large Philadelphia Hoagie through security wrapped in a brown paper bag. Whatever. Take that as you will. I am not sure whether it was said before the debate he would come in but he felt like it was a situation where i alone can fix it and i alone can fix the debacle that was the debate. The Minute Trump came in, it was like a swarm, a Feeding Frenzy like you have not seen with questions i dont think are typical of these rooms. For example, questions about whether people are in Fact Eating Dogs and cats. You know . More Crowd Size questions. The questions themselves are a reflection of how badly, thing, trump bungled this and made it about his own Incoherence And Rage and ineptitude at making a case to the american public. Nobody was more excited to be watching the chaos unfold than the gentlemen sitting next to me, tim miller, who was literally getting into arguments with his people off camera about their values. I will hand the microphone to you. Is a follower of your twitter account, i know what shes talking about. You have been wandering around asking republicans in the room some questions including i think, lindsey graham. What have they been saying . One man who didnt answer my question was a former president. I kept shouting at him, why wouldnt you look at the Vice President . Why wouldnt you look at her . You could tell he was hearing the question and looking for more friendly turf. He would not look at her. He was flustered the whole night and you could see it on his face. The anger. You could tell who is having the better night. He had his makeup on and his neck was pulsing. It was a strange look for him tonight. I asked several of his surrogates, what they thought, and the number 1 question i asked was what you think is best answer was tonight . None of them could come up with anything. David was like, you put me on the spot with that one. Give me a minute but then he came up with nothing. I saw my friend lindsey graham, we used to be pals in 2016, and we had a heated exchange. I will say. He said i should be ashamed of myself and the feeling is mutual. After our argument about the state of affairs of politics, you know, when we calmed down a little, he looked at me and he was like, you are right about one thing. That was a disaster. He was unprepared and we should fire the debate team. I was like, okay, i think thats all you need to know about tonight. When your circuit in the Debate Room saying you should fire the Debate Prep team. I think we know who want go and lost. That is a pretty clear tell, the guy who just lost the debate appearing in the Spin Room. Ari, i know youve been dying to talk about what happened. I think it was 27 minutes, after the debate, which is the endorsement by certain superstar just talked about. I am eight swifty. You werent on the set earlier but you do a better. Tell what this means and culturally, endorsements dont always matter. Taylor swift has a huge following and it overlaps with the part of the coalition that the Harris Campaign would like to win. Taylor Swifts Endorsement is so sought after and coveted, we have on the screen her statement, that Donald Trump was pretending he got it. We will start there. She said that. She called out Donald Trump. She has a lot of power and can say it the way she wants. She picked a Big Night to do it and said trump was lying about this with these a. I. Images, pretending he got a. He didnt. She said the simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth. As taylor would say, are you ready for it . I think Donald Trump might be down bad crying at the gym now. She signed this childless Cat Lady which is another strong feminist and culturally cool slip of j. D. Vance sexist comment. I am reminded of the taylor lyrics and the cat realm. Karma is a cat. Per ring in my lap. Like an acrobat. Me and karma five like that. This karma, weve seen this throughout her career and life. One of the people who antagonized her try to narrow her, she has said, you cage me then call me crazy. Who was afraid of little old me. You should be. I think this is lyrics and truth but also something her hundreds of millions of global followers and many tens of millions of people in the united states, diverse following, but one that leans young but with parents involved as Nicolle Wallace mentioned, this is exactly the enthusiasm that you cannot buy or trade. It has to be somewhat organic. This is her decision and speaks on behalf of the feminists and other issues at stake. She talked about that in a statement. She has many people who will necessarily be brainwashed as the right may complain but will give the Harris Walz tickets another look. I can tell you, theres a lot of people who will watch parts of the debate. There are young people who may not have watched the debate and may not have decided if their voting in their waking up to these posts in talking about it, and they should do their own research. And she said that. It wasnt you have to do this, but she posted links where to register to vote. If their tight margins and some of these states, we see a larger youth or female turnout, this could be part of the story that started tonight. We may be at an inflection point. Remember when she endorsed Joe Biden, there was an increase in voter registration. You could see the numbers increase from that moment. Her statement was thoughtful as well. I will pick up the baton of the Taylor Swift lyrics. Earlier i reference, they were playing at the rally that harris was at that was, i am so tired of running as fast as i can. Would i get there faster if i was a man . That was perfect because one of the things that struck me about the debate is, she flips the gender dynamic. She flipped the Power Dynamic i should say. She spoke with Secretary Clinton which is interesting, we will never know the totality of everything they talked about, but i bet that Secretary Clinton learned some things from those debates. Maybe she gave her advice. She aggressively shook hands, she controlled the debate in a way that trump, who is a sexist bully, wasnt necessarily prepared for. What struck you about the debate . Harris is a prosecutor. A sex crimes Prosecutor And Attorney general, she was senator rand Vice President. She has a lot of experience and shes had a lot of experience in the senate with these earrings. I knew she was a for this. The thing she had to do that was a delicate balance is to prosecute the case or make the case for herself. She was able to do that. Shes not just executing trump. She is saying why she is the better candidate than he is. That is a balance, i think, that the handshake was brilliant. It caught him off guard. How are you going to resist the handshake . Thats what you are supposed to do. And not just a handshake, but i am Kamala Harris. Right. I think she got him on that and the other thing she did that i thought would be difficult and she was able to do seamlessly was this realtime Fact Check. Even though the moderators were able to do some really good, that they did good questions, that they pushed back and kept coming back to questions in a way you have to do with trump, she was able at a bunch of points to say, thats not true. This is what true. On live television, as we know here, that is quite hard. They did show factchecking in the debate. You can do it effectively and firmly and not at every moment but key moments which i think they deserve credit for. Michael steele, you were animated when i saw you in the hallway earlier. I am going to see what you think of the debate that you told me in the hallway. What was your take on the debate . She spanked that. She came and walked on that stage. For me, its one of those things you didnt realized happened until about 20, 30 minutes into the debate. Its what everyone has talked about. For me, it was the most important moment of the debate was when they were introduced. Donald trump came out and if you watch, tell everybody to watch this, he comes out and he goes to the podium. Usually you go to the middle of the floor to greet your opponent. He went to the podium and had no intention of shaking her hand. She walked across the stage into his space, stuck her hand out, and said, Kamala Harris. First off, i am saying my name so you get it right when you say it but you never said once during the entire debate. Two, he never looked at her during the entire debate. There was a point about 20, 30 minutes in where that moment, for me, hit and resonated because she owned that stage from that very first moment. Very much to what molly was just saying, that what she did was she prosecuted when she needed to prosecute, and all other time she was president ial. He looked small, he looked withered, he looked beaten, but most importantly, he looked past. There is nothing worst than a bigot on the stage with a woman he cannot control. She gave him no quarter for that. Even in the one moment where she talked while he was talking, and you knew it was a moment he wanted and he rehearsed it and was anxious to say it and he looked at her and said, i am speaking. I am speaking. He said, does that sound familiar . He was feeling clever. He was clever. There was nothing. You could hear a collective, what did he just do . Across the country. Even amongst his own people. I think tonight was definitive for her. Tonight, Kamala Harris showed that she was not just a Vice President. That she was in fact ready to be president on foreignpolicy, on the economy, on domestic social issues, on issues sensitive issues around abortion and race. She had a president ial she had a president of in the Pop Debt for the country to see and Donald Trump, the only thing he could do was stand there and look at the Floor And Salk and pout and on twitter, the only Thing Maga could complain about was, abc, why they Fact Checking only Donald Trump . Because he was the only one lying. You know whats striking about that, Roger Ailes the Fox Executive in in our Spin Room, all on one thing. He has passed away so is not saying it today but said it many times in his life. You could see it on mute. Rachel said that earlier. We understand the bluster in the spin and the performance and we know Donald Trump is an Actor And Buyer and came to prominence as a Tv Reality Game show host. The only thing people know about Reality Shows is they aint real. It was on his face. I heard some say it was a knockout. I didnt see a knockout. I saw her perform better and is our Answer Questions well he ran and ducked and looked upset. Thats not a good look for him. I dont see this as a debate ends the election no. I agree with you. This was not a knockout. I dont think that was her intention. I dont think she came into knock him out. She had a to go in and find that spot where she could rattle him enough to keep him off his game, and she could play her game a little more freely. To finish that one point, even with the acting and the spin, he looked aware in real time that it was not going well. He looked very aware that. We have more to get through. The Senior Adviser the Harris Walz campaign will join us next. Us next. Our daughter just bought her first house. All by herself. So we went to go see it. She knew exactly how she wanted everything. But then he pointed out the gutters. You think youve raised them right and then she didnt know. 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Have you had a chance to speak with her since she finished the debate . Shes been at the watch powering party. You are exactly right. Donald trump got rattled and peoplesoft from Vice PresidentKamala Harris the prosecutor that she is prosecuting the political case against four years of Donald Trump. May be more than four years. Many americans might have forgotten the contours of his record when he was president , and she wasnt gonna let him get away from the debate without the american people hearing about how he led the economy into the ditch. What We Saw from her tonight, the first few minutes, she contrasted their vision. She talked about her plans to help small Business Growth and lower costs with Donald Trumps plans to cut taxes for those at the top. She talked about actual issues and Donald Trump started talk about people eating dogs. It was weird. Clearly, she was under his skin but people got to see the choice that exists between someone who is offering a new way forward for the Country And Someone who represents the past. Let me ask about that eating dogs is weird. I Fact Check this story last night and i retweeted it, there were some moments that i think were very strategically smart. You were part of the prep. Youre a senior part of the team. One of them we have been talking about is aggressively seeking the handshake and introducing herself. How did you decide to do that . Im sure you were weighing whether that was smart and what we are hoping to get out at that moment . I think it showed that Kamala Harris was in command from the very first moment of this debate. She also wanted to make sure she took the time to introduce herself to former President Trump is Kamala Harris which is how you actually pronounce her name. It was important to lay the marker for former President Trump that she is a strong leader who is willing to stand up to him. Its not a surprise. She has been standing up to bullies her whole life including as Attorney General of california taking bad actors and predators. It laid the marker for the debate that she was not going to shy away from taunts, lies, and attacks and she did not throughout the debate. She had good facial moments were she couldnt believe what he was saying, which i think we appreciated. As you were watching, what happens when you do Debate Prep as you prepare for any scenario of what the other person will do. Is or anything of trump handled this that surprised you guys . Look, i think even his team is leaking out that he was not as disciplined as they had prepared him to be. That they wanted him to talk about other things he did not talk about. You know, Donald Trump became the worst version of himself tonight. I think one wouldve expected that he wouldve had more of a concentrated approach on what he was going to do in the Debate Stage, but at the end of the day, cant teach an old dog new tricks. Donald trump decided to show the american people a lot of what they dont like about him. She had an amazing night and i think she showed shes ready to be president. She was president ial. Anyone watching could see a Commander In Chief in Kamala Harris. It will be a close election. I think its important that everybody enjoyed the win tonight, but understand we have to go back to Work Tomorrow because we are in a divided country. Its very important that she got a chance to hold him accountable and share her vision but we have 50 some odd days left to share that vision with every american who is still getting to know her. We heard that message from her when she was speaking at the watch party. You have been up very late many nights and youre up late with us again. 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The kind of rambling free association that many americans have not heard since Donald Trump left office nearly four years ago. Whats more, the expresident proved once again he has the Impulse Control of a toddler. Over and over again harris laid rhetorical traps for the former president , and over and over again trump took the bait. Ill tell you something. Hes goingll to talk about immigration Law Tonight even when its not the subject that is being raised. In springfield theyre eating it dogs, the people that came in, theyre eating the cats. Theyre eating theyre eating the pets of the people that live there. What you will also notice is that people start leave his ralliese early out of exhausti and boredom. Let me respond to the rallies. She said people start leaving. People dont go to her rallies. Donald trump was fired by 81 Million people, so lets be clear about that. And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. Do you now acknowledge you lost in 2020 . No. Let me tell you i have traveled the world as Vice President ofav the united State And World leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. Viktor orban said it. He said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump. You saw a bunch of it there. Well play more throughout the course of thel next hour, but basically to summarize it trump praised dictators, took Credit Fordi ending roe v. Wade, lied about immigrants hunting down your pets for dinner. Yes, that actually happened, and were going toal talk More Abou that asto well. Hebo praised the January 6th insurrectionists, and repeated his Big Lieis Of A Stolen 2020 election. Vice president harris, On The Other hand, looked forward. As a prosecutor, i never asked a victim or a witness are you a republican or democrat. The only thing i ever asked them, are you okay. And thats the kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. I intend to be a president for all americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the american people. Now, in case you didnt see the totality of the debate, i can tell you Donald Trump did not offer a competing vision for the future. I mean, maybe because he doesnt have a vision for the future. He doesnt even have, as he claimed, concepts of a plan. Again, something he actually said. Ultimately, winning a debate thats important doesnt wip an election. If you were on the fencesitting on your Couch Tonight not sure who to vote for this november its difficult to see how trump made the case in this debate, made t you want to street for h, that he should be your next Commander In Chief. For whats its worth Vice President harris won over at least one pennsylvaniian. Immediately after the debate they received the coveted Taylor Swift endorsement. This is from herif endorsement. Quote, im voting for Kamala Harris because she fights for Therr Rights and causes i belie Warriors Toi champion them. Signingo her statement as j. D. Vances worst nightmare a, quote, childless Cat Lady. That ones going to really haunt him. Joining me on set the cohost of msnbc the Weekend Michael sanders, simone sanders townsend, and cohost of pod save america. We were texting during the g debate. There were so many good moments. We went through a number of them. If youre theh Harris Campaign you have to figure out what to push where, whats on a tshirt, whatn becomes an ad. Butes this is all about ultimaty not winning the debate but winning the election. What would you if you were on the Campaign Pull from tonight to Pushai Out as aggressively a possible with money behind it to the american people . I mean, you just mentioned this, but j i think the line whe he said i dont have a plan, i have the concepts of a plan. And look, Kamala Harris prosecuted the Casema Tonight my timesas where she said to Donal Trump or she said to the s audience, which is even better than talking to Donald Trump. She said to the t people at hom he doesnt have a plan for you, he doesnt care about you, and then she would talk about her plans for the economy. Look, were going to play all the really fun moments where she baited him, and thats going to be good for the next week or so. But i think the real damage he did was expose him for as someone who hasnt thought about what hese going to do for the american people the next four years because he only thinks about himself. She laid out her plans whether on economy, bringing down costs, on reproductive rights. But, look, Donald Trump has participated in seven president ial debates, countless primary debates, and he has never been beaten as badly as he was tonight by Kamala Harris. And that takes so much preparation on her behalf. Like she really prepared for this debate. She knew what she was going to do, she came with a plan. She made the whole debate about Donald Trump when he could have been on the defensive and put her her on the defensive. Also he really lost a staep. When he was ranting and rave in 2016 with Hillary Clinton and he was lying all the time, but he did make some sort of sense then. And tonight there were long stretches he was completely incoherent, andel you couldnt follow what he was talking about. It was very difficult. I agree with you completely Donald Trump hes debated a lot of people, and that was the best orchestrated debate against Donald Trump we have seen hands down. Simone, you know the Vice President better than the rest of us. You have staffed her, prepped her, all the things. I wonder was there a moment you thought, yes, is the the american people seeing who she is. I thought herhe Debate Performance is par for performance, every debate is. I think she hit the marks on debate and performance. I think, frankly, when you rate a debate the question is did you do what you said you wanted to do when you were in the preparation talking about the debate . T and did she kbh across clear and strong, yes. Did she get her Policy Positions out on what she believes on the economy,li which is important t people across the board not just these peoplepe in the middle. Black voters, young people, womenyo of every race, people, everyone cares about the economy. Check, yes. Did sheon adequately counter Th Lies . Yes. Absolutely yes. Lu theres more she could have said. Did she find moments to turn to the camera and speak directly to the people directly at home and let them say, hey, find your camera. Thats what you got to do. You have to find your Camera And Talk to that camera. Yes, yes, yes and yes. Did she bait Donald Trump into a back and forth, absolutely. Did she make him look unhinged as she looked in control . Absolutely. It was Donald Trump having her conversation tonight, absolutely. But to your point, debates do not win elections. They can influence them for sure. Im very happy Jacob Soboroff did that Focus Group right after becauseig people were Texting Wt is the world . What is wrong with these voters . If the election were held today i do not think Vice President harris would win it. I think she can absolutely win in canovember, but a Month And Half ago Joe Biden was the democratic nominee. Theres work this Campaign Needs Tos do. The campaign knows they need to do this work, and the campaign knows she needs to do the work and she knows what the streets are saying and where the streets are right now and where they need to go. What t you just said, simone because youve done so many campaigns is what people workini in the campaigns in the trenches say, which is theres more work to do. They have to figure out from that debate what they pull from itth and build on, what they Pu Money habehind, what they use T Appeal to voters out there. A campaign is not won by a debate. What stuck out to you in that regard . Sou much. So much of it is Donald Trump in his own words praising viktor orban, his gobbledy about abortion. He is not thinking about you. In he is not concerned with you. It reminded me about that line from Bill A Clinton after the National Democratic Convention where he said dont count the lies, count the is. Donald trump wants to talk about himself. You guys know that polling question, that Focus Group question, who cares about me . Donald trump did very little aside from pulling out his immigrant boogeyman, which we will talk about a little bit later, Tott Comfort the America People and say ive got your back, im here for you, i know what it is youre up against. Because he dont know. He dont got no idea, which is like, honestly, im sorry, but every woman in america has had to sit in a meeting or be in a room with a man that is less qualified than her, that has not done his homework, that is mediocre atis best but somehow s found his way into the seat next week and thinks he can do my job or on the Debate Stage, and that was Vice PresidentKamala Harris. Shes been waunderestimated many times. You know better thap almost anyone. Theres a lotim to play because people are catching up on this. I want to play another piece of sound. This one iswa about trump advisers, past advisers and kind where they s stand, and she brought that up. Part of this to go back to our point here is how does she win the campaign with these messages . So lets play that and well talk about it. Hislk former chief of staff, Fourstar General said he has contempt for the constitution of the united states. His formal national Security Advisor has said he is dangerous and riunfit. His former Secretary Of Defense has said the nation, the republic would never survive another trump term. And when we listen to this kind of rhetoric, when the issues that affect the american people are not being addressed, i think the choice is clear in this election. I mean, watching that i also he looks sedated a bit. You say sedated, i say crushed. Crushed. Us you watched a man lose the air out of the very important parts of his manhood when she did that, as a former president that particular part. That particular part to me wasar exceptionally damning, an she had Aex Lot of good damning moments. Take that Soundda Bite and then juxtapose it against the one where shes talking about foreign leaders and their assessment of Donald Trump, in which she says T World leaders laughing at you, they think you are a disgrace. I dont know about yall, but if im a former president and im on the Stage Running for the job and you lookm at me and tell m that the T World leaders youre talking to say im a disgrace, theres no air left in that balloon. No. I dont care how much you try to pump it up. Because at the end of the day that goes toe the core of what you do as president. Your relationship with your Country And World leaders. And if they are laughing at you, they think youre a disgrace. 81 members of your own administration dont want anything to do with you, dont want you back in the seat at the resolute desk. Theres a reason why on so many levels Donald Trump did not look at Kamala Harris tonight, and we can psychoanalyze that until the cows come home. That was another reason why he would never look at her. Because you could not look someoneca in the eye who just sd that about you. You just couldnt do it. And so she had this amazing way. I mean, as simone and alicia know, we talked last weekend about what would happen. One thing i said she would have to be very careful about that prosecutorial president ial line. Sheec found i dont have to wor about that. She found that line and she walked it very nicely. I thought one of the things that struck Me And You coveredck a lot of this is at T Convention a big part of her speech that was really powerful that, i dont know, i wasnt anticipating was the national security portion, right . It was really strong, and she had Somell Killer moments tonig inr the debate around that. Michael just talked about a number of them. I think she kind of eviscerated him on russia as well. There are a number of moments. I think for so long those Campaign Rats are taught no one cares these things and people dont always vote on them, and that isnt always true. What do you think, john, as you look to the next couple of weeks on what she talks about on the trail . Should she use some of those lines or attacks or national security in her Stump Speech . What does she do in that part . I go back to what simone said, which isat this a very Tit Race and its a complete toss up right now, and if youre an undecided voter and that means someone who hasnt decided which candidate you vote for or any candidate at all, what youre trying to figure out is what will Kamala Harris do to improve my life . And also what she wants to do is remind people who havent tuned in since maybe 2020, which is big chunk of the electorate, that by the way, all of these people a who work for Donald Trp in senior positions think hes a threat to national security. Way, Donald Trump is a danger because of project 2025, and heres what that would mean for you. And then also she wants to project an image of strength, which she did tonight, and that was part of whath the foreign Policy Section in the debate did tonight. Part of whatba the foreign Poli Section of her speech did at the dnc. So i would look in the polls in the coming weeks for, you know, whos a strong leader, how Kamala Harris does on that, whos moreri likely to bring change and how Kamala Harris does on that, and also as you said, jen, whos going to fight for me. And i think on those three traits she probably did herself adi lot of good tonight, and i think those are characteristics that are going to decide the elengz. No question, its going to be really close. Everything kind of matters. So these guys get to hang out with me or have to hang out with meg at 2 00 a. M. , but were gog to lose you shortly. Let me ask you this and discuss it with them after. Do you think trump said he wasnt going to do another debate. Basicallyer all the surrogates the Spin Room said, sure she can, tim walz, i would advise her to do one every day. It takes time to prep and prepare. I would do it. I would i agree to as many as trump will agree to. The reason is she was absolutel fantastic tonight and as her campaign says, shes the underdog still. I i think she needs to keep her foot on the gas every single day from now until Election Day and show shes out there fighting as hard as she can to win this race because the fight she shows for this inelection, people are goi to seect that as the kind of fit shes going to show for them if Shes President fo of the united states. And so i thinkof if i were here and her campaign and seems like thats what they want to do, i would take every opportunity to debate Donald Trump as many times as possible because she wants to show shes strong, unafraid of him, and put on the kind of performance she did tonight. And yes, it takes a lot of preparation,lo but, you know, s probably has had the biggest Audience Tonight than shes had entire campaign more so at the dnc and she might as well take every opportunity to talk to as many people as possible. P and that old dog has more trick. While we listen to the next pod, were going to sneak in a quick break. A little Fact Check on the president who surprise surprise lied through the Debate Tonight though the d moderators did Pus BackodFact Checking as soon as possible. Dont go anywhere. Well be right back. S possible dont go anywhere. Well be right back. man this fancy man in his fancy car must be tormented to learn of others earning unlimited Deposit Bonuses and superior rates. Now, we await his inevitable despair. The moment i met him i knew he was my soulmate. Soulmates. Soulmate [giggles] why do you need me . [laughs sarcastically] but then we switched to tmobile 5g home internet. And now his attention is spent elsewhere. But im thinking of her the whole time. Thats so much worse. Why is that thing in bed with you . This is where it gets the best signal from the Cell Tower ive tried everywhere else in the house theres always a new excuse. Well if we got xfinity you wouldnt have to mess around with the connection. Therapys tough, huh . Mmm. Its like a lot about me. [laughs] a Home Router should never be a home wrecker. Oo this is a good book title. So tonight Donald Trump said democrats support execution after birth. That is a quote. They dont. That would be called murder. He says he has been a leader on ivf, i mean Come On on that one. He said inflation is probably the worst in our nations history. That is also false. Its currently at its lowest since march of 2021. He said harris wants to confiscate your guns, she doesnt. He said crime is through the roof. Rivpt crime is coming down. He said 21 Million migrants are coming into our country monthly. That is wrong. He said theyre pouring in from prisons and institutions, that is incorrect. He said rising immigration is hurting the economy, its not. Many experts have found exactly the opposite. And he said immigrants are eating pets, which i promise you, they are not. And lucky for us and lucky for the audience, a lot of that Fact Checking was done in realtime. Crime in this country is through the roof. President trump, as you know, the fbi says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country. Her Vice President ial pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. Execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay. There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after its born. In springfield theyre eating the dogs, the people that came in, theyre eating the cats. Theyre eating the pets of the people that live there. You bring up springfield, ohio, and Abc News did reach out to the City Manager there. He told us had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, or injured by individuals within the immigrant community. Lets bring special Affairs CorrespondentMolly Jongfast back into the conversation and of course back with The Weekend crew. Were definitely going to talk about the eating of the pets thing, which i know everyone wants to talk about. I to think this in this case the moderators deserve some credit. Shout out to lindsey and david. There has been this sort of Talking Point that keeps being repeated that you cant Fact Check during debates, that if moderators do that, it makes it about them, but Donald Trump is not a normal candidate, right . This is not running against Mitt Rumny or john mccain. This is running against someone whos a Path Launlical liar as i just outlined. I want to ask what you thought of the moderators. I was impressed with david and lindsey, both of them. One of the questions david asked at the beginning was she asked trump a very specific question about his Mass Deportation squads, which is the stuff of dystopia, right . Just insane he wants to deport more people than there actually are. Hes said 10 to 15 to 20 Million people. There arent that many noncitizens in this country. I thought he did that well, and he went back to it. I wish hed gone back to it even more, but both he and lindsey did really good effective Fact Checking that was just very short and not emotional and wasnt a sort of soliloquy about lying. What i thought was interesting was Trump Sort of keep going with it. He occupies this Earth 2 scenario, and he said they didnt confirm it. And We Saw j. D. Vance do this too, right, its not true and maybe i think theres moments that could have gone back, all these things. But i dont think Anyone Watching thought they were making the debate about them. So watching i thought maybe Fact Checking is a good thing. It always is a good thing. Okay, this story of the pets, we did a Fact Check about it last night. Michael steeles been dying to talk about it, but it wraps the story into one. Im going to give a short version of this story. There was a Facebook Post by somebody who was not Fact Checked who suggested that her that she knew of somebody, it was like a daughters Friends Friend or something who when they came home there were very specifically haitian migrants who were taking their Cat Or Dog and eating them, right . The springfield police has said that is not true, of course its baseless. But a bunch of people, ted cruz, j. D. Vance, the Trump Campaign they have tweeted this. What is this about . I think its about racism, xenophobia here. All of it. Did you have more you want to say about the cats or dogs . I do. It was just such an incredibly stupid moment, and i really applaud Kamala Harris for having the presence of mind to just refrain from responding and getting into that space. I, On The Other hand michael, On The Other hand, he had time. I would have found time. Star of The Weekend on saturday on the pets. You crazy as hell if you believe that stuff. But what it really speaks to is just how much of a psychological conspiratorial Vortex Wormhole Maga drags themselves into. And they all once they get inside there, they just reinforce the inability to get out, and they cant find a way. And the problem is theyve got someone like Donald Trump who then takes it and amplifies it and ramps it up because some of the folks that i was hearing from, they were really bothered by this story and did not want they were trying to get this killed, and they were pissed the very same people you mentioned, ted Cruz And Company were out retweeting that crap because they knew that the Master Consumer of such garbage would take it and then run with it. And lo and behold they showed up on a national Debate Stage tonight. Well, j. D. Vance also has done multiple interviews defending bringing up what is a lie and a Conspiracy Theory to be very clear that is rooted into othering the haitian immigrants in this country along with other immigrants and othering them as theyre essentially saying theyre weird savages. And if theyre weird savages, then its easy to strip their humanity from them. And if we can strip their humanity from them, then we can do whatever we want to them. Thats what this is, and thats why i was like Fact Check the man, thank you. I want to underline that because it is very telling that every time Donald Trump found himself backed into a corner whether it was on the economy on January 6th, on accepting the results of a fair and free election, he pivoted immediately to his favorite hobbyhorse demonizing immigrants, lying about immigrants. I would layer onto this Fact Check the fact that there are not noncitizens voting in this country. Undocumented immigrants actually have the lowest level of criminality of all status members, and yet this is what he relies on when he does not know where else to go. My concern in the laughter about the Pet Thing being so absurd is his rhetoric has had already real consequences for immigrant communities, and so i do worry that when he amplifies that type of nonsense, that there are folks who are hearing him, who believe in things like the great replacement theory, who take that othering to mean a replacement of themselves and their families, and feel motivated to violence. And so that to me it is both the absurdity but also being reminded that that absurdity sometimes is of consequence. This is a really important point and we debated whether we are going to do this last night because we didnt want to elevate it. Whether or not, when do you Fact Check because you elevate when you Fact Check and when do you let the crazy sit. And i find it to be a hard thing to navigate at times. I mean, look, this is part of this trump these kind of stories he runs with that are this Farright Gateway Pundit kind of stuff that is based on nothing except racism, right . I would say that you have to Fact Check it because its gotten to the point where this a republican president ial candidate is saying it during a debate. Right, theres no way out of that. But i think its right that theyre i mean We Saw in 2016 We Saw, you know, marches and guys with torches, and We Saw violence. And so We SawJanuary 6th. Theres absolutely a straight line between lying about people and violence, and so i think its true. But i also think, look, this, i dont know how many Swing Voters are going to hear this lie and be like this is my guy. No, those voters wanted to hear about The Border. They wanted to hear about a broken immigration system. He offered no solutions on any of those actual concerns. He only offered there are some people that want to believe the racism. Were going to play more clips. We have to sneak in a very quick break. Have a cheers. You can do it across. I did want to make a Point But Weve got to go to break real quick. On the Fact Checking thing given the social platform were in today, you cannot avoid it. You have to do it if youre going to be responsible in your Journalism And Reporting in a moment like that when its on the Debate Stage or otherwise, you have to do it because the lie is like a little swoop of cancer, and you have to nip it out, and you have to give People Something to say. Okay, we have to sneak in a quick break. Molly . Because the companies wont Fact Check. On that note and we have to go to break, Elon Musk is another person who retweeted this whole thing, and the House Judiciary Committee also tweeted an a. I. Generated photo of Donald TrumpHugging A Duck and cat. On that note, we have to neek in a break. We have a lot to get to in our live Debate Coverage. Were just getting started, so dont go anywhere. Getting staro dont go anywhere. Hat can bring. Sometimes its the smell of mildew when water has seeped into the interior walls. Or maybe theyve spotted mold in the attic. But most often its the more obvious signs of damage like rotten soffit, fascia, or Water Pooling near their foundation. You can get ahead of costly damage by protecting your homes gutters today. Were in your neighborhood and ready to help. Schedule your free gutter inspection today, call 833 leaffilter, or visit leaffilter. Com that bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational Criminal Organizations for trafficking in guns, drugs, and human beings. But you know what happened to that bill . Donald trump got on the phone, called up some folks in congress and said kill the bill. And you know why . Because he preferred to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. And understand this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand. But what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. Joining our conversation here in New York is maria teresa kumar, the president of voter latino, and msnbc contributor. Thank you for joining us. Weve been trying to play a bunch of moments from the debate, and that one was interesting to me for a range of reasons. One being trump did kill the Border Bill, right . Two, that an area where Vice President harris and just the democrats in general are under water. I mean theres a big advantage that trump has, and this seems to be the argument. I mean, it is a good argument, but do you think its an effective argument . I think its an effective argument, but i think for a lot of folks watching here they keep saying did she switch her positions . She keeps saying i have my values, but did you switch your positions . And everyone recalls where she stood when it came to Health Care and The Border. When she was running for senator and when she was interviewing for a job, but now shes been at the job, and how many of us when we are literally when we were interviewing for a job we do not know, how is certain perspective in the moment were in a seat like, i have to reevaluate how im going to tackle these certain issues, and in this case shes now saying im in the drivers seat. I better understand the changes we need to make to policy. Whereas when she was interviewing four years ago she wasnt capable of doing it. She didnt have full information. That is one of the reasons why i would encourage when people are talking to her, her values havent changed, but youre now in the seat and whats happening at The Border is far more complex than we can understand. By the time someone gets The Border thats not an immigration policy, thats a broken system. You bring in canada, bring in mexico and say how are we going to resolve this together . Ive been saying that for the last ten years or so. The next President Of The United States needs to call a regional summit of every country between canada and venezuela and guatemala, all of them. Simone, is like funny you should bring that up. How do yall think that The Border crossings are down right now . No, i get but thats not something thats not a public facing effort. Thats diplomacy, back door. We all know how that works in washington. What im talking about if you want to control and command this conversation on The Border, you have the next president. Kamala harris will send a message to every president in the region and every Prime Minister to our north that says were meeting here. Not in washington but down here in this location and were going to have this conversation about the economic, the social the climate. Does a Summit In America not happen . Am i making it up . Theres a conference that happens, but i think the challenge with the conference is that they dont have the focus. Thats my point, simone. And the point of it is not clear, right . Its basically were going to have another ungo. Its like when are we going to come and meet . Were going to come and meet and recognize if we do not solve whats happening in our western hemisphere, this becomes a security issue. But there is a Summit In America. The Vice President was addressing the root causes, which is also the same job that Vice President biden Joe Biden had when he was the Vice President unless people misunderstand. Theyre going to keep coming after her on The Border is not fixed, there are migrants streaming you know, lying, lying, lying, scaring people, xenophobia. What do you think . What do you wish they were saying . Are they saying the right things . You lived through the first chunk of i lived through shes the Border Czar and get on the phone and let me explain to you, and they write shes the Border Czar, and its like i never said it. What is not happening i think the fuller explanation of her root causes of migration work. That is actually not being introduced into the conversation. It is about The Border. Were talking a lot about The Border, a lot about enforcement. To Vice President harris Credit And Alicia points this out all the time, that she also talks about fixing not just enforcement but also the people inside the country, the interior, what we need to do to fix the Pipe Liep and what not, and ensuring people can come into this country because trump did decimate the immigration system, he literally gutted it. The ceos and companies, prompting them to invest into the region, bringing them into the meetings to do that, the conversations with the leaders down there, the former president of guatemala, the new president of guatemala, which this is a president very much so helping root out the corruption. Theres a new president in mexico. What is happening in venezuela has real implications on what is happening here. Not only is maduro not accepting the results of the election, okay, he is also people are fleeing venezuela, one of largest groups of people that were coming to the u. S. Mexico Border are venezuelans. You cant just say this is Diplomacy Issue as well and never talk about what shes put on the diplomacy. Ill layer onto simones excellent analysis there, that theres an opportunity as Donald Trump strips migrants and immigrants in this country and embow them with humanity talks the american people. I think, one, talking about Donald Trumps Deportation Force and the fact he wants to come and take people out of their homes who have lived there a majority of their lives, not even speak the language in the country of origin and really take a Victory Lap on what she and president biden have done when it comes to keeping american families together, allowing for parole in place for spouses of american citizens. That is a political winner with voters of all stripes. Dont shy away from it. Lean into it and create a contrast with Donald Trump. Very much a very good summary there, everyone. This is like a forum here how to talk about this issue. Okay, we have to sneak in another quick break. Coming up were going to talk about how j. D. Vance got name checked tonight, and he might be having an awkward conversation with his Boss Tomorrow. Dont go anywhere. D conversation with his Boss Tomorrow dont go anywhere. Eating up the financial favors of the 1 . What would become of them when they discover robinhood gold allows others to earn their very liberal rates on idle cash unlimited Deposit Bonuses and handsome Retirement Matching . They would descend into chaos. Merciless chaos. But if i could just get a yes or no because your running mate, j. D. Vance, has said that you would veto if it did come to your desk. Well, i didnt discuss it with, j. D. In all fairness. I dont mind if he has a certain view, but i really didnt. We dont have to discuss it because shes never be able to get it. Thats called buyers remorse, i think, of who he selected or a sign of it. J. D. Vance said Donald Trump would veto a national Abortion Ban. Donald trump did not give him on the go ahead on that, so thats awkward and an awkward meeting. Anyway, with that, i did think her answer i you have an interesting quibble with it, and i want to talk about that, is quite strong. And when i think about moments that the campaign will push out her 2minute Answer on abortion rights, which was very passionate, very authentic, i thought was great. And david plouffe, who works on the campaign but was watching some Dial Groups and said that there was a 40point Lead among undecided voters on that answer, which is not a surprise. But you had an interesting quibble, which i actually dont disagree with. Yeah, i i appreciate all of that input. Its just theres this narrative that has evolved in this space when talking about abortion that i think is disrespectful, and alicia was making the point earlier about the impact on families who when Donald Trump says that, you know, democrats want to kill babies after their born, well, thats murder. There are laws against that. Come on. But the point being thats a form of abortion in the ninth month or if a baby is born in a Situation Or Condition in which the baby may not survive after birth, right, and when he said that i thought that was a moment given the totality on her narrative on abortion, she would stop and go, you know what, that is a lie because thats not not who we are, thats not what we believe, and thats not a policy that we would ever advocate for. But she didnt, and i thought this was a moment where you do this is where you defend your camp because to be honest, that is a lie that sticks with a lot more voters than i think democrats really appreciate. And it like the cat thing, people begin to believe it. And theyll believe that a lot faster than they will the cat thing. And i just think if she gets a chance in the future to definitively along with everything else shes saying about this issue, make it very clear where democrats stand because i think the narrative is kind of confused for some voters out there. Michael, youre talking about where it lives is places that the media doesnt peek into. It lives in whatsapp. It lives in really close circles. Where it does, all of a sudden, because theres no counter to what shes saying, it does spread like wildfire and goes into the persons eimagination. Maybe theyre willing to push the envelope that far, and theres no Fact Checking in those spaces. Yeah, its a very good someone made this point to me a democratic strategisttype person, that trump is incoherent. He was tonight, he is often. But everybody on his Campaign Isnt incoherent and they actually run in certain districts and certain areas quite comprehensive, smart Campaign Ads focused on a range of these issues, and Thats Something youve got to be open minded. I blame former governor Ralph Northam, okay . Thats where this came from. Donald trump had it wrong. The governor of West Virginia he meant the governor of virginia, Ralph Northam, whos a doctor by trade. Theres a very put together answer republicans have been running on since before that ris with glen youngkin. Where is Ralph Northam . Please come cleanup on aisle five. Do we need him to come back . I dont know. You get the final thought here. I think that Abortion Answer is one of the things that will push out. What do the campaigns should push out . I agree she connected emotionally, she connected substantively on the issue, and i would just remind us pennsylvaniians get their early vote ballots in five days. Like this election is not 50plus days out. This election is hapg in realtime. And so if there are people who are motivated, theyre going to have the opportunity to exercise that motivation very, very soon. And if i am the Harris Campaign, i am trying to push people to that option as quickly as possible. Lots of work ahead, Michael Steele, simone sanders townsend, Alicia Menendez and maria teresa kumar, thank you for staying with up me. That does it for us tonight, good morning, all the things. Thanks for being with us for this special night of Debate Coverage. H us for this special night of Debate Coverage purple mattresses exclusive gel flex grid draws away heat, relieves pressure and instantly adapts. Sleep better. Live purple. Right now, save up to 1,000 during our labor day sale. Visit purple. Com or a store near you. 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