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Zelenskyy and the ukrainians to fight for their independence. Otherwise putin would be sitting in kyiv with his eyes on the rest of europe, starting with poland, why dont you tell the 800,000 Poland Americans right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. Wow. I just saw that live a few minutes ago but seeing it a second time. Thank you for being with us as we digest Tonights Barnburner President ial debate between Vice President harris and former president Donald Trump. It was a very lopsided debate as it turns out. We all knew the Stakes Tonight were almost unimaginably high, it would be a debate like no other, in a president ial race like no other, but now we know how it went and why the Laris Campaign is so pleased with how it went. I will tell you something, he is going to talk about immigration tonight even when it is not the Subject Being raised and i am going to do something really unusual and i am going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallies. It is a really interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter and windmills cause cancer and you will notice people leave his rallies out of exhaustion and boredom, one thing you will not hear him talk about is you, your needs, your dreams, your desires. I tell you that you deserve a president who actually puts you first and i pledge to you that i will. Let me respond to the rallies. She said people start leaving, people dont go to her rallies, no reason to go. The people that that do go she is busing them in and paying them and showing them in a different light. She can not talk about that. People dont leave my rallies, the biggest rallies, incredible rallies in the history of politic. Sore spot perhaps. Reportedly Kamala Harris made her case about what she would do as president and why americans should vote for her while also just baiting Donald Trump into almost spitting mad defensiveness. Trump appeared agitated and angry. He shouted and interrupted while Vice President harris seemed to stay calm and focused. She reportedly managed to steer the discussion back to the points she wanted to make. Trump reportedly got lost in tan windmills and solarpanels in the Desert Soil, Desert Soil . And imaginary people Eating Dogs and why he believes it is true despite it being debunked because he saw it on television and well, who can argue with that. The contrast is stark on the topic of abortion as we knew it would be. Former President Trump tried to claim that everyone including all democrats, all americans were desperate for Roe V. Wade to be overturned. And, so, people love him for getting it done. He is, he is that is his script and he is sticking to it. Here was Vice President harrisresponse. In ever 20 states there are Trump Ark borings bans which make It Criminal for a doctor or a nurse to provide Health Care in one state it provides prison for life, Trump Abortion bans that make no exception for rain or incest. Understand what that O Rape or incest, understand what that means, a survivor of a violation to their body does not have the right to make the decision what happens to their body next. That is immoral. One does not have to abandon their faith to agree that the Government And Trump should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. Notably, Trump Tonight reportedly refused to say if he would sign or veto a national Abortion Ban if it came to his desk. He notably reportedly refused to say if he thought it would be good for ukraine to win the war against russia. When asked about a plan. None of us knows right now if this debate will have any effect on this incredibly important president ial race. The goal of the Harris Campaign was for Kamala Harris to make the case for herself and to Needle Trump into being the worst version of himself on television it seems clear they feel they accomplished that goal tonight. Lets Go Back to Swing State Arizona where our own jacob just watched the debate with a group of voters that we met. I am desperate to know what Everybody Thought of it it really is a profound 55 throaj get to do this privilege to get to do this. I have to say, nobody watched this debate coming out of it who said was not coming in voting for trump or thinking about trump that will now lean for trump. There are multiple people in this group who are going to participate on behalf of Vice President Harris Or Leaning harris. One thing, it is still 97 degrees, it is 9 00 p. M. Over 100 degrees. I think it is fair to say people were happy that chime at change came up at The End of the debate. I want to start with with you. You may not be writing yourself in. You may not do that and longer. In particular i watched you get what i think would be fair to say deeply emotional, feel free to contradict me about Reproductive Rights. For years we had Men Legislatures tell us we cant have abortions we have to do this with our bodies, do that with our bodies, finally, a woman gets that it is about us. Abortion has been in our society longer than Roe V. Wade, and Roe V. Wade protected women of childbearing years from the hacks and the charltons and the people who were just not doing right by them. So the door is open, feels like a connection has been formed that was not there before tonight. Absolutely. Again, i would like to know more and as we were talking before, here is, trump who has been campaigning this long, long time and harris is put in the spotlight. It is like the parliamentary system versus american system of campaigning. I would like to know more. It made an impact. Clearly yes. Let me start with you julian on the issue of economy. We talked before the debate how you could be one month away, your words, not mine, Homelessness On Jobs and affordability here. When, Vice President harris said and i want to make sure i get this right. Trump has no plan for you. You were talking about politicians did not have a connection, did you feel like what harris was talking about that moment spoke to you . Well, i feel like trump like, speaking for example since he is the other candidate. I feel like he does not care about me and my issues but i feel like Kamala Harris does. She says she is for the middle class, she was considered middle class when she was growing up. She said it right off of the top yeah and she is better with the economy and also she like small businesses is what she talked about. She made an impact on you tonight . Yeah. Thank you very much. I am going to ton to bonnie. 30 year elementary schoolteacher. Bonnie, a lot i think, i saw you rolling your eyes when former President Trump was talking about Vice President Harris Plans and said Run Spot run. He was mocking her. Making a joke about a childrens book. One you know well. It is about the war in ukraine and former President Trumps refusal to say that he wanted ukraine to win seemed to bother you during this debate. I would say i was disappointed at the fact that he did not give a direct answer to that. I mean you are either for a country and its ideals or you are not. And, i was frankly surprised he did not get a direct answer. You are another one of the folks here who said to me in between the debate and now that the door is open for you to vote for Vice President harris. What else would you like to see from her . I would like to see more off the cuff interviews and answering questions that are not practiced or set up ahead of time. We have a couple months left i think you will get that. I hope, i hope to hear more from her thank you very much. Lets go to jeff, jeff, remember everybody, was after the last debate, Trump Hell no, biden oh, no. Did the door is now open to you now for Vice President harris . You were saying to me that the portion of the debate about January 6th, by the way we are in maricopa county, one of the centers of election denial. Many denied the results of the 2020 but continued to deny the results of the midterms and the integrity of the system going into 2024. What bothered you so much about former President Trump . You said you were a Mccain Republican saying no regrets. It is shard to get my head around. He is aing i did not do anything but give a speech, but what he was doing is orchestrating how the whole situation is playing out. He told the Secret Service guys to take the Metal Detectors out and have people come in unreviewed, not inspected a terrible thing but a lot of other things going on for 21 2 hours while he is prancing around in the white house. It just seemed like how can you not take responsibility at some point for the whole thing . I did not see any other banners up there but for trump banners. It was heavily skewed group in favor of trump. You did not believe him with what he had to say . No, no. Liars dont cheat and cheaters dont lie. I said that wrong. Cheaters dont win and winners dont cheat. How do you look at Kamala Harris with mccain. Mccains brother said it, i think there is a clear line that there are people that are understanding the importance of the election and people that just play, you know, warriors and making a fuss and really saying things about other people. So that is trump bully. And i think Kamala Harris came out and showed some president ial nature about her. So, i think we are, the door say little bit open. Jeff, thank you. Nicole. On policy i think it is accurate to say that you may never vote for Vice President harris based on the policies that she has but it also sounds like this debate cemented for that you will never vote for President Trump again is that right . Yeah, i think people want to separate policy from character and i just dont see how you can do that. I can not get behind somebody who maybe i agree with certain policies on but their character is lacks complete leadership. Nicole, thank you very much. Juan carlos you were Leaning Trump but did not like his rhetoric towards immigrants. We hear the unfounded claims about it is hard to even say them about people stealing and eating animals in ohio. We know that is not true but he repeated it any way. Talking about rapist and murders coming across the border, did it bother you . It did. We have to have a controlled border and secure border. We had a lot of people going through illegally. My family went through the long process to get here legally. I think it is unfair for people to get here without problems and for the federal government to help them out. We also lost americans because so many illegals, like the young boy in ohio that was killed or college. Yes. Clark. This is a, you know, a touchy subject. His family says they did not like the trump campaign, vance talking about him in the context of the campaign and they dont want it, i am paraphrasing here, effect migrants in a negative way. Not going at it like that but i am say figure he was not allowed here illegally we would have a lot of people here with us. What about the border bill, harris made a specific focus how trump killed that for political reasons he did not deny that. Does that bother you caring so much about the border . Yeah, it bothers me, we dont have [indiscernible] we dont have the best options for a few good years so for me being a first time voter, you vote for an okay, or less okay. I can go with trump because i am conservative. But i go against what he preaches all right, okay, thank you very much. And lets end with you here. You went biden, 2020, you were Leaning Trump. Is it correct to say that the door is now open again for harris . Did you say that coming out of the debate . I will say she peaked my interest but i am still leaning towards trump and he did not surprise me in any way today. He is still on the path that i expected what is it about harris that peaked your interest what do you want to know more about and if you were to go over to her coming in as a potential Trump Voter what would be the deciding factor . I think with harris a lot of question marks, i did not know a lot about her other than she served as Vice President. She did not get to talk about a lot of her policies i need to step away from this and do my own research and look on her website i think that is probably exactly what they want to hear as well from a voter like you. Before we go, just a Show Of Hands coming into this debate, the two of you were Leaning Trump are you still going to vote for trump . Sounds like you are not let me do it like this trump if you are sure. Raise your hand. Sure is a strong word. If i had to vote right now, trump. Harris if you had to vote today, raise your hand. And, you just want to know more. I want to know more. And nicole is voting for either. I cant right now. All right, thank you very much. Rachel, thank you, also, to 12 news in phoenix for hosting us in here on this sweltering hot night. So interesting to see that a group of people who were largely undecided or noncommittal the door has been far more open to harris after this debate than to former President Trump that is for sure. And, again, thanks to all of you for the privilege of hanging out with you guys, rachel, thank you tell everybody there that we are grateful for them to be thereby with you, but also to talk us through it. It is invaluable. Like i said as far as i am concerned they all passed the audition for being on local news. [ laughter ] for sure. I will let them know, thank you, rachel. Fascinating to see the transition in so many of those undecided voters in arizona. Over the course of the debate. That positive impression of Vice President harrisperformance is matching the snap polling, for what that is worth and our impressions here in our studios in terms of the relative performance of the two candidates the Harris Campaign has to be excited with her performance. The trump campaign, we will see. Our coverage of Tonights President ial debate continues right after this. Here as we go out, this is Vice President harris making her case for, as she put it, turning the page. I was at the capitol on January 6th. I was the Vice President elect and i was also an acting senator. I was there. On that day, the President Of The United States incited a violent mob to attack our nations capitol. To desecrate our nations capitol. On that day 140 Law Enforcement officers were injured. Some died. And understand the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason. But this is not an isolated situation. Lets remember, charlottesville. Where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing antisemitic hate, what did he is a . There were fine people on each side. Lets remember when it came to the proud boys, a militia, the president said, the former president said stand back and stand by. So, for everyone watching who remembers what January 6th was, i say, we dont have to Go Back. Lets not Go Back. We are not going back. It is time to turn the page. And if that was a bridge too far for you, well, there is a place in our campaign for you. 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This was, of course, as you all know, the first president ial debate Kamala Harris and Donald Trump have ever done together the first time they ever met let alone debated. From the very first moments when the Vice President went straight in for a handshake, that was a decision that trump had no interest in. She pretty much controlled the debate from them on. Book ended the debate for what she would do for working people, that was smart. Delivering a masterpiece on Abortion Rights. We will play that for you later. She made trump look small, over and over and over again. And really what we all just watched was a well prepared and pretty fierce at many moments, Kamala Harris, Prosecuting The Case Against Trump and talking directly to the american people about things they care about, like issues like Abortion Rights, the economy, democracy itself. On the other side you saw grumpy and unhinged at moments about Trump Ranting and Raving And Crowd sizes and people eating their cats, that happened during the debate. We have a lot we are going to talk about. We are going to get into it. Playing a lot of sound in the next hour and 40 minutes here. I have the perfect people standing by to talk it all with. I wanted to start with the moment harris got under trumps skin. I am going to do something unusual and i am going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps rallies it is a really interesting thing to watch. You will see during the course of his rallies he talks about vicessal characters like Hannibal Le Cter and windmills cause cancer. And people leave out of boredom and exhausted. What you will not hear him talk about is you, your dreams, your needs, your desires. I tell you deserve a president who puts you first and i pledge to you that i will. Let me respond to the rallies. She said people start leaving, people dont go to her rallies. No reason to go. The people that do go, she is busing them in and paying them to be there. And then, showing them in a different light. So, she Cant Talk about that. People dont leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies, incredible rallies in the history of politics who knew he would be baited and triggered about Crowd Size, who knew . Who knew. From there things only got better for Kamala Harris and worse for trump. One person who looked at there debate and decided they had seen enough was Taylor Swift, yes, that one. Lengthy post to her 283 Million followers endorsed Kamala Harris for president and yes, she did it with a cat photo. Who does not love that . Joining me here at the table are my friends. Rnc chairman, Michael Steele and joining us from philadelphia are more friends, Alex Wagner in that Spin Room for 117 hours approximately. And host of the bull work podcast, Tim Miller. Okay, guys, warriors in philadelphia i will start with you. Alex. Before the debate you pointed out that there was not really an ambitious plan by the Trump Team to have a lot of people in the Spin Room. They had a less impressive lineup. Trump then came himself. Yeah. So there is that. Talk to us a little bit about what that scene was like and what else you observed in the moments after the debate. I mean, i think i referred it as Murders Row sarcastically of spinners it is like Rfk Jr. Gabbard and gates and harris, three governors, four senators, a Gold Star father, et cetera. I think it is telling that trump came to the Spin Room after this, right . To some degree, there were rumors he might come. But the u. S. Secret service has a Screening Process for people and this is a person who just had an Assassination Attempt on his life. And the Screening Process for getting into this room was not stringent. I got a hogey in wrapped in a paper bag. Take it as you will. I am not sure if it was set before the debate that he would come in. He certainly felt it was one of the situations where it was, i alone can fix it, as it i alone can fix the debacle that was the debate. The Minute Trump came in it was like a swarm, a Feeding Frenzy like you have not seen with questions that i dont think are typical of these rooms. For example, questions about if people are, in fact, Eating Dogs and cats. You know. More Crowd Size questions, just the questions themselves were a reflection of how badly trump bungled this and made it about his own rage and ineptitude. No one was more excited to be watching the chaos unfold than the gentleman sitting next to me, Tim Miller who is literally getting into arguments with people off camera about, you know, their values. Now, tim, i will hand the mic to you. As a follower of your Twitter Account i know what she is talking about. You have been wondering around asking republicans in the room some questions. Including i think Lindsey Graham who have you been talking to and what are they saying . I have. One that did not answer was the former president. I kept shouting at him. Why wouldnt you look at the Vice President . Why wouldnt you look at her. You can tell he was hearing the question but looking for friendly turf. He was flustered. You can see on his face the anger. If you just watched the debate muted you can tell who was having the better night. He was having his makeup on and neck was budging. I ask several of his surrogates and what do you think his best answer was tonight . None of them could come up with anything. David said you really put me on the spot there with that one. Give me a minute and he came up with nothing. Then i saw my old friend Lindsey Graham, we used to be palled when he was a jed follower and we had a heated exchange when he said i should be ashamed of myself and the feeling is mutual. After our argument of the State Of Affairs and politics, you know, when we calmed down a little bit he looked at me and he was like you are right about one thing, that was a disaster, he was unprepared and we should fire the Debate Team. Oh, okay, well, that is, i think that is all you need to know about tonight, you know. Your surrogate in the Debate Room you should fire the Debate Team we know who won and lost that is a clear tell. That including the guy who just lost the debate appearing in the Spin Room. The combination of the two is telling. Okay, ari, i know you have been dying to talk what happened, i think it was 27 minutes, is that right . 27 minutes after the debate which is The Endorsement by a certain Super Star i just talked about. I am a swiftie. I have to play your roll because you were not onset but you do it better what does it mean and culturally it is endorsements dont always matter. Taylor swift have a huge following and it overlaps with a big part of the collision that Harris Campaign would like to win. Taylor Swifts Endorsement is so soughtafter, we have it up on the screen that Donald Trump was liing about it and pretending he got it. We will start there. She said that, she called out Donald Trump with The Endorsement, she has a lot of power and say it the way she wants, picked a big night to do it and said trump was liing about this with these a. I. Images pretending he got it, he didnt. The simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth. And as taylor would say are you ready for it i think trump will be crying at the gym. She signed this childless Cat Lady which is another strong feminist and culturally cool flip of j. D. Vances sexist comment. I am reminded of other taylor lyrics in the cat relm. Karma is a cat. Purring in my lap. Flexing like a dam acrobat. Me and karma is it for one of the many people we see in the career and life, one of the many people who under estimated her or antagonized her or narrow her. You caged me and then called me crazy, who is afraid of little ole me . You should be. It is lyrics and truth but also something that hundreds of millions of global followers and millions in the united states, diverse following but one that does lean young but with parents involved as Nicole Wallace mentioned. There is the enthusiasm that you can not buy or trade. It has to be somewhat organic. This is her decision, it speaks on behalf of the feminist and other issues at stake. She talked about that in the statement. She has many people who will be, not necessarily brainwashed by there as the right might complain but giving the ticket another Look Tonight and tomorrow. I can tell you something else, there are a lot of people who will hear about it and watch parts of the debate, there are young people who may not have watched the debate and may not have decided if they are voting and they are waking up to the posts and talking about it with each other and they should do their own research. She said that. It was not you have to do this. She posted tonight links where to register to vote. If there are tight margins in some of the states especially in the Blue Wall and see a larger youth or female turnout it could be part of the story that also started tonight. We play be at an inflection point. Remember when she endorsed Joe Biden there was a big increase in voter registration. You can see the Numbers Increase just from that moment. I thought her statement was thoughtful as well. I am going to pick up the baton of the Taylor Swift lyrics since earlier i referenced these since they were playing at the rally that Vice President harris was at. I am so tired of running as fast as i can. Would i get there faster if i was a man . Perfect lyric, what struck me is she owned, she flipped the gender dynamic, the Power Dynamic i should say, she spoke with secretary clinton which i think is so interesting. We will never know the totality of everything but i am betting secretary clinton learned some things and maybe she gave her advise. From the moment she aggressively shook hands she controlled the debate in a way that trump, who is kind of a sexist bully, was not necessarily prepared for. What struck you molly about the debate . Look, harris is a prosecutor, right . A sex crimes prosecutor, she was attorneys general, she was senator and Vice President. So, she has a lot of experience and she had a lot of experience in the senate with these hearings. I knew she was up for this. The thing that she had to do here that was a delicate balance, prosecute the case and making the case for herself. She was able to do that. She is not just prosecuting trump. She is also saying why she is a better candidate than he is. And that is a balance. I think the handshake was brilliant. It caught him off guard. From, you know, how are we going to resist a handshake, right . That is what you are supposed to do. Handshake but im Kamala Harris, right . Yes. Right, right, i think she got him on that. And the other thing that she did, i thought was going to be difficult and she was able to do seamlessly, realtime Fact Check. Even though the moderators i thought they did good questions and pushed back and kept coming back to questions in a way that you have to do with trump, she was also able at a bunch of points to say that is not true, there is what is true. That is actually on live television as we all know here quite hard. They did show that Fact Checking during a debate is quite possible and you can do it effectively and firmly and not every moment but at key moments which i think they deserve credit for. Michael steele, you are quite animated when i saw you in the hallway earlier about. I was trying to be good. I am going to see what you tell me you think of the debate that you told me in the hallway. What was the key moment . She spanked that ass. I am sorry that is what she did. She walked on that stage and it is one of those things that you did not realize happened until 20 or 30 minutes into the debate t. Is what everyone has talked about. For me it was the pivotal moment of the debate was what they were introduced and Donald Trump came out and if you watch, Go Back, i tell everybody to Go Back and watch this. He comes out, he goes directly to the podium. Usually you go to the middle of the floor to greet your opponent. He went to the podium. No intention of shaking her hand. She walked across the stage. Right into his space, stuck her hand out and said Kamala Harris. First off, i am saying my name so you get it right when you say it, which he never said once during the entire debate. Two, he never looked at her during the entire debate. And there was a this point about 2030 minutes in where that moment, for me, hit and resinated because she owned that stage from that very first moment. Very much to what molly was just saying, what she did was she prosecuted when she needed to prosecute and all other times she was president ial and he looked small, he looked withered, he looked beaten. But most importantly he looked and there is nothing worse than a bigot on a stage with a woman he Cant Control and she gave him no quarter for that. She gave him no room. Even in the one moment where she talked while he was talking and you knew it was the moment he wanted and he rehearsed it and so anxious to say it when he looked at her, and goes im speaking. Im speaking. [ laughter ] does that sound familiar . He was feeling clever. He was feeling in his oats. He was cleffer and there was nothing. You could hear collective, what did he just do across the country. Even amongst his own people. So, i think tonight was definitive for her. Tonight Kamala Harris showed that she was not just a Vice President , that she was, in fact, ready to be president. On foreign policy, on the economy, on domestic social issues, on issues sensitive issues around abortion and race. She had a president ial vein that popped out for the country to see and all trump could do is stand there and look at the floor, sulk, pout, and on twitter, the only thing to complain about, oh, abc, why are they Fact Checking only Donald Trump . Because he was the only one liing on the stage. You know what is striking on that, lying on the stage. You know what is striking on that. We all agree on one thing, ales passed away not saying it today but you could see it on mute. Rachel mentioned it earlier. We all understand the bluster and the spin and the performance, we know trump is an Actor And Liar and came as a Tv Reality Game show host. The only thing people know about Reality Shows is they aint real. That is right. Even he it was on his face. I heard some people say it was a knock out. I did not see a knock out. I saw her perform better and i saw her answer questions while he ran and ducked and looked upset. I dont think that is a good look for him. I dont, i am not saying you say this, i dont see it as the debate that ends the election. No, no, no, i agree with you ari. It was not a knock out. I dont think that was her intention. I think you really put your finger on it, molly. She had to go in there and just find that spot where she could rattle him enough to keep him off his game and she could then play her game a little more freely. Right. Just to finish that one point, he even with the acting and the spin, he looked aware in realtime that it was not going well. 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I have the concepts of a plan. Not to worry, america. He has concepts of a plan. Joining the conversation from philadelphia is the Senior Adviser for the harriswalz campaign, he and sams. Im sure his two professional to of chuckle during that moment well check a little bit. It seems like trump weve been talking about it. He had a pretty not bad night. Vice President Harris had a very good night. She seemed like she was in a very good mood afterwards when she was at the campaign event, with a Watch Party. Have you had a chance to speak to her at all since she finish the debate . She has been over at the Watch Party but look, i think you are exactly right. I think Donald Trump got rattled. I think People Soffer and Vice President harris the prosecutor she is prosecuting the political case against four years of Donald Trump. In fact maybe more than four years. A lot of americans may have forgotten some of the contours of his record when he was president and she wasnt going to let him get away from this debate without people hearing how he let the economy into the ditch. And what the most important thing that We Saw from her tonight, We Saw it in the first few minutes. She contrasted her vision was trumps plan to cut taxes for those at the very top. She talked about actual issues that matter to people and Donald Trump got rattled and started talking about people Eating Dogs. I mean, it was weird so i think clearly she was under his skin but people got to see the choice that exists in the selection between someone who is offering a new way forward for the Country And Someone who represents the past. I did a whole Fact Check on this whole story last night that i retweeted if anyone wants to know what he was talking about, but that aside there were some moments that i think were very strategically smart and you were part of the prep. You are a senior part of this team. One of them we have been talking about is aggressively seeking the handshake and introducing herself so let me start there. How did you guys decide to do that . Im sure there is a waiting of whether that was smart or not and what we are hoping to get out of that moment . I think it showed that Kamala Harris was in command from the very first moment of this debate. I think she also wanted to make sure she took the time to introduce herself to former President Trump as Kamala Harris, which is how actually you pronounce her name. I think it was important to lay the marker for former President Trump that she is a strong leader who is willing to stand up to him and its really no surprise. She is someone who has been standing up to bullies her whole life, including as Attorney General of california taking on bad actors and predators so i think it laid the marker for the debate to come that she was not going to shy away from his taunts, lies, attacks and she certainly didnt throughout the debate. She didnt. She did have some good facial moments where she couldnt believe what he was saying which i think we all appreciate it if. What happens when you do Debate Prep is you prepare for any scenario of what the other person is going to do. Is there anything about how trump handled this that surprised you guys . I think that even his team is leaking out that he was not as disciplined as they had prepared him to be, that they wanted him to talk about other things that he did not talk about, so you know, Donald Trump really became the worst version of himself tonight. I think one would have expected that he might have had a little bit more of a concentrated approach what he was going to do on the Debate Stage but at The End of the day you cant teach an old dog new tricks and Donald Trump decided to show the american people a lot of what they dont like about him and i think i do want to she had an amazing night and i think she showed that she is ready to be president. She was president ial. Anybody watching that debate can see a Commander In Chief and Kamala Harris but is going to be a close election and i think it is important that everybody enjoy the Win Tonight but understand that we have to go right back to Work Tomorrow because we are in a divided country and it is very important that she got the chance to hold him accountable and share her vision that we have 50 some odd days left to continue sharing that vision with every american who is still getting to know her in a lot of ways. 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Thanks for sticking with us for another hour of special coverage following the first and so far only president ial debate between of course Vice President Kamala Harris and former president Donald Trump. Over the course of 90 minutes, one candidate, Kamala Harris, absolutely on the other guy on the stage. She talked about issues people actually care about like the economy, Abortion Rights and democracy itself while the other guy, Donald Trump, seemed unprepared, quite grumpy and often incoherent. At times the Vice President could do Nothing But Laugh or stare aghast at the Ranting And Raving from the other side of the stage, the kind of rambling free association that many americans have not heard since trump left office nearly four years ago. Whats more, the expresident proved once again that he has the Impulse Control of a toddler. Over and over again, harris laid rhetorical traps for the former president and over and over again, trump took the bait. I will tell you something his get to talk about immigration a Lot Tonight even when it is not the subject that is being raised. In this Ring Field they are eating the dogs. The people that came in. They are eating the cats. They are eating they are eating the pets of the people that live there. You will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. She said people started leaving. People dont go to her rallies. Donald trump was fired by 81 Million people, so lets be clear about that and clearly, he is having a very difficult time processing that. You now it knowledge that you lost in 2020 . No. Im going to tell you that i have traveled the world as Vice President of the united states and World Leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. Viktor orban said the most respected, most feared person is Donald Trump. You saw a bunch of it there. We will play more throughout the course of the next Hour But Trump praised dictators, refused to say he will not sign up a national Abortion Ban, a lot about immigrants handing down your pets for dinner. He praised the January 6 insurrectionist and repeated his Big Lie Of A Stolen 2020 election. Vice President Harris, on the other hand, looked forward. As a prosecutor, i never asked the victim or a witness, are you are republican or democrat . The only thing i ever asked you them, are you okay and that is a kind of president we need right now, someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. I intend to be a president for all americans, and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you, the american people. In case you did not see the totality of the debate, i can tell you, Donald Trump did not offer a competing vision for the future, maybe because he doesnt have a vision for the future. He does not even have, as he claimed, concepts of a plan. Again, something he actually said. Ultimately winning a debate doesnt mean winning an election. Just ask John Kerry and Hillary Clinton. They want all the debates. They did not win the election, but if you are on your fence tonight, not sure who to vote for this november, its difficult to see how Donald Trump made case in this debate that he should be the next Commander In Chief and for what its worth, Vice President harris won over at least one pennsylvanian. Immediately after the debate, she and Tim Walz received the coveted Taylor Swift endorsement. Quote, i am voting for Kamala Harris because she fights for the rights and causes i believe need a warrior to champion them. I think she is a studyhanded, gifted leader and i believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and nots chaos. Signing her post as a child was Cat Lady. Joining us or Michael Steele, Simone Sanders tends his and alecia menendez. Also john favreau, who was with us remotely. John, let me start with you because there were so many good moments. If you are the Harris Campaign you have to figure out kind of what youre going to push where, what is on a tshirt, it becomes a nap, but this is all about ultimately not winning the debate, winning the election. What would you, if you are on the campaign, pull from tonight to push out as aggressively as possible with Money Behind it to the american people . You just mentioned this, but i think the line where he said i dont have a plan, i have the concepts of a plan. Kamala harris prosecuted the Case Tonight many times where she said to Donald Trump like what she said to the audience, which is better than talking to Donald Trump, she said to the people at home he doesnt have a plan for you. He doesnt care about you than she would talk about her plans for the economy and look, we are going to play all the really fun moments where she baited him and thats going to be good for the next week or so but i do think the real damage she did is expose him as someone who just really has not thought about what is going to do for the american people for the next four years because he only thinks about himself and she laid out her plans when it was on the economy, bringing down costs, protecting Reproductive Rights Donald Trump has participated in seven president ial debates, countless primary debates and he has never been beaten as badly as he was tonight by Kamala Harris and that takes so much preparation on her behalf, like she really prepared for this debate. She knew what she was going to do. She came with a plan. She made the whole debate about Donald Trump when she couldve been on the defensive and he couldve put her on the defensive so she really executed the plan that she came with but also, he has just really lost a step. He was Ranting And Raving in 2016 with Hillary Clinton and he was lying all the time, but he did make some sort of sense then and tonight, there were just like long stretches where he was completely incoherent and you can even follow what he was talking about. It was very difficult. I agree with you completely that i think she Donald Trump has debated a lot of people, a lot of republicans. Democrats, too, of course. That was the best orchestrated debate against Donald Trump that we have seen handsdown. Simone, you know the Vice President better than all the rest of us. You haves after, proctor, been part of the debate reps. What is the moment you were watching tonight where you thought like yes, that is like the american people see and who she is and what shes capable of . Debates are part policy part performance, every debate is and i think she had the marks on policy and performance. People are like oh, she won, he lost it i think frankly as you know, when you graded debate, the question is, did you do what you said you wanted to do when youre in the preparation talking about the debate, and did she come across clear and strong . Check. Yes. Did she get her Policy Positions out on what she believes on the economy, which is important to voters across the board, not just these people in the middle. Black voters, young people, women of every race. Everybody cares about the economy. Yes. Did she adequately counter the lies . Yes, absolutely yes. There was more she could have said but then she wouldnt have done nothing about her own policy. Did she find moments to turn to the camera and speak directly to the people at home and let them know hey, find your camera , you know what i mean . Thats what you got to do. Youve got to find a Camera And Talk to the camera. Yes. Did she bait Donald Trump into a backandforth . Absolutely. Did she make him look unhinged as she looked in control . Absolutely. Was Donald Trump having her Conversation Tonight . Absolutely but debates do not win elections. They can influence them for sure and i am very happy jacobson drafted that Focus Group right after because there were People Texting like what is wrong with these voters and thats most people in america right now. If the election were held today i do not think Vice President harris would win it. I think she can absolutely win in november but a Month And Half ago, Joe Biden was the democratic nominee so there is work this Campaign Aides today. The campaign knows they need to do this work and the Vice President knows they need to do the work. That is why she continues to say she is the underdog in this race. She is looking at the internals and she knows what the streets are saying and where the streets are right now and where they need to go. Youve done so many campaigns, this is what people working on the campaigns in the trenches say, is that there is more work to do so let me ask you a question of i just asked john. They have to figure out what that debate what they pull from it and build on, what they put Money Behind, what they use to appeal to voters out there because campaigns not won by a debate. What stuck out to you in that regard . So much. So much was just Donald Trump in his own words, praising viktor orban, his gobbledygook about abortion, not being able to say that he would a national Abortion Ban but the line of the night is that he has no plan for you. He is not thinking about you. He is not concerned with you. It reminded me of that line from Bill Clinton at the Democratic National Convention where he said dont count the lives and count the eyes. Letter is. You guys know that polling question, who cares about me . Knows what my life is like . Donald trump did very little aside from pulling out his Immigrant Bogeyman which we will talk about a little bit later, to comfort american people and say no, ive got your back. Im here for you. I know what it is that you are up against. You dont know. Hes got no idea which is like honestly im sorry but every woman in america has had to sit in a meeting or be in a room with a man that is less qualified than her that is not done his homework, that is mediocre at best was somehow has found his way into the seat next to me and thinks that he can do my job. That was Vice President Kamala Harris tonight. She has been underestimated so many times as you know better than almost anyone. I want to play another piece of sound. There is a lot to play. This one is about trumps past advisers and where they stand when she brought up because ive heard this to Go Back to our point here which is, how does she know win the campaign with these messages . His former chief of staff, a fourstar general, has said he has contempt for the constitution of the united states. His former national Security Advisor says he is dangerous and unfit. His former Secretary Of Defense has said the nation, the republic would never survive another truck term, and when we listen to this kind of rhetoric , when the issues that affect the american people are not being addressed, i think the choice is clear in this election. I mean, watching that, i also he looks sedated a bit. You say sedated, i say crushed. You watch the man lose the air out of the very important parts of his manhood. With when she did that. As a former president that particular part to me was exceptionally damning, and she had a lot of good, damning moments. Take that Sound Bite and juxtapose it against the one where she is talking about foreign leaders and their assessment of Donald Trump in which she says World Leaders laughing at you. They think you are a disgrace. I dont know about you all but if im a former president and im on the Stage Running for the job, and you look at me and tell me that the World Leaders you are talking to say im a disgrace, there is no air left in that balloon. I dont care how much you try to pump it up, because at The End of the day, that goes to the core of what you do as president. Your relationship with your country and with World Leaders, and if they are laughing at you , if they think you are a disgrace, 81 members of your own administration dont want anything to do with you, dont want you back in the seat at the Resolute Desk there is a reason why, on so many levels, Donald Trump did not look at Kamala Harris tonight and we can psychoanalyze that till the cows come home. That was the reason why he would never look at her. Because you could not look someone in the eye you just said that about you. You just could not do it, and so she had this amazing way as simone and alecia know, we talked about last weekend about what would have to happen tonight. One of the things i said was that she had to be very careful about that prosecutorial president ial line. She found that. I aint got to worry a bout that. She found that line and she walked it very nicely. One of the things that struck Me And You covered a lot of this, is at the convention, a big part of her speech that was really powerful that i wasnt anticipating was the national security portion, right . It was really strong and she had some killer Moments Tonight in the debate around that. Michael just talked about a number of them. I think she kind of eviscerated him on russia, as well. There were a number of moments. I think for so long, those of us Campaign Rats are taught people dont care about these things but it is not always true. What do you think as you look to the next couple of weeks inside of what she talks about on the trail, should she use some of those lines are some of those attacks were the national Security Party in her Stump Speech . What does she do with that part . Go back to what simone said, which is, this is a very tight race and its a complete tossup right now and if you are an undecided voter and that means someone who is not decided either which candidate to vote for or whether youre going to vote for any candidate at all, what youre trying to figure out is, what will Kamala Harris do to improve my life and also, what she wants to do is remind people who have not tuned in since maybe 2020, which is a big chunk of the electorate, that by the way, all of these people who work for Donald Trump in senior positions think hes a threat to national security. By the way, Donald Trump is a danger because of project 2025 and heres what that would mean to for you and then also, she wants to project an image of strength, which she did to meet and that is part of what the foreign Policy Section in the debate that tonight. Its what the foreign Policy Section of her speech did at the dnc and so i would look in the polls in the coming weeks for who is a strong leader, how Kamala Harris does on that. Who is more likely to bring change and how she does on that and who is going to fight for me and i think on those three traits, she probably did herself a lot of good tonight and i think those are characteristics that will decide the election. No question. Its going to be really close. Everything kind of matters. So, these guys get to hang out with me or have to hang out with me until 2 00 a. M. But we are going to lose you shortly so let me ask you this and we will discuss it with them after. Do you think trump said he probably was not going to do another debate. Basically all of her surrogates in the Spin Room said sure she can. Someone said i would advise her to do one every day. It takes time to prepare. How would you way that if you are hurting . I would do as many baits as trump would agree to. She was absolutely fantastic tonight and she is the underdog, still, and i think that she needs to keep her foot on the gas every single day from now until Election Day and show that she is out there fighting as hard as she can to win this race because the fight that she shows for this election, people are going to see that is the kind of fight she is going to show for them if she is President Of The United States. If i were her and her campaign and it seems like that is what they want to do, i would take every opportunity to debate Donald Trump as many times as possible because she wants to show that she is strong, she is not afraid of them, and put on the kind of performance that she did tonight. Yes, it takes a lot of preparation but she probably had the biggest Audience Tonight that she has had the entire campaign, more so than even the dnc, and she might as well take every opportunity to talk to as many people as possible. In that old dog does not have new tricks. Hes not going to get some in the next few weeks even if they do another debate. We are going to sneak in a quick break. When we come back, affect check on the former president who lied his way through the debate tonight. This one is for you. We realize some Home Maintenance jobs arent worth the risk. Thats when we Call Leaffilter to protect our gutters. 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Many experts have found exactly the opposite and he said immigrants are eating pets which i promise you they are not. A lot of that Fact Checking was done in real time. Crime in this country is through the roof. President trump, as you know, the fbi says overall violent crime is coming down in this country. Her Vice President ial pick says abortion in the ninth month is absolutely fine. He also says execution is after birth is execution, no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay. There is no state in this country where its legal to kill a baby after it is born. In springfield, they are eating the dogs, the people that came in. They are eating the caps. They are eating the pets of the people that live there. Springfield, ohio. Abc news did reach out to the City Manager there. He told us there have and no credible reports or specific kinds of pets being harmed, abused or injured by individuals within the immigrant community. Lets bring molly back into the conversation. We are definitely going to talk about the eating of the Pets Thing, which i know everybody wants to talk about, but i do think in this case the moderators deserve some credit. Shout out to lindy and david. There has been this Talking Point that keeps being repeated that you cant Fact Check during debates, that of moderators do that it makes it about them but Donald Trump is not a normal candidate. This is not running against Mitt Romney or john mccain. This is running against someone who is a pathological liar, as i just outlined. I was really impressed with david and lindsay, both of them, but one of the questions david immediately asked at the beginning, was he asked trump just a very specific question about his Mass Deportation squads, which is the stuff of dystopia, i mean just insane and he wants to deport more people than there actually are. He has said 10 to 15, 15 to 20 Million people. There are not that many noncitizens in this country, so i thought that he did that well and he went back to it. I wish that he had gone back to it maybe even one more time but both he and lindsay did really good, effective Fact Checking that was just very short and not emotional and was not sort of a soliloquy about lying. It was just thats not true. This is how we can tell you its not true. What i thought was interesting as We Saw trump just keep going with it, and he does that because he occupies this Earth Two scenario and he does that and We Saw Jd Vance do this, too. We know its not true and he stood still said well maybe i think there are always moments he couldve gone back but i dont think anybody watching thought they were making the debate about them so watching it i thought maybe Fact Checking is a good thing. It always is a good thing. Okay, this story of the pets. We did affect check about it last night. Michael stills been dying to talk about it. It wraps a lot of things into one. Cat daddy over here . Im just going to give a Shorthand Version of the story. There was a Facebook Post by somebody who was not Fact Checked who suggested that she knew of somebody it was like a daughters Friends Friend or something, who when they came home, there were very specifically haitian migrants who were taking the Cat Or Dog and eating them, right . The springfield police have said that is not true. Of course it is baseless. But, a bunch of people ted cruz, Jd Vance, the trump campaign, they have tweeted this. What is this about . I think its about racism, xenophobia, fear. Did you have what you want to say about the cats of the dogs . I do. It was just such an incredibly stupid moment, and i really applaud Kamala Harris for having the presence of mind to just refrain from responding and getting into that space. I, on the other hand you crazy as hell if you believe in that stuff, but what it really speaks to us just how much of a psychological conspiratorial Vortex Wormhole Maga drags himself into , and they all, once they get inside there they just reinforce the inability to get out, and they cant find a way. The problem is they have someone like Donald Trump who then takes it and amplifies it and ramps it up. Some of the folks i was hearing from, they were really bothered by the story and did not want they were trying to get this and they were angry that the very same people you just mentioned, ted Cruz And Company were out retreating that crap because they knew the Master Consumer of such garbage would take it and then run with it. Lo and behold it showed up on a national debate stayed tonight. Jd vance is also done multiple interviews defending, bringing up what is a Lien Conspiracy Theory that is routed into essentially saying haitian immigrants are word savages and if they are weird savages its easy to strip their humanity from the but if you can strip their humanity from them than we can do whatever we want to them. That is what this is and that is why i was just like Fact Check the man. Thank you. I want to underline that because it is very telling that every time Donald Trump and himself backed into a corner, whether it was on the economy, January 6, on accepting the results of a fair and free election, he pivoted immediately to his favorite hobby horse, demonizing immigrants. There are not noncitizens voting in this country. Undocumented immigrants actually have the lowest level of criminality of all status members, and yet this is what he relies on when he does not know where else to go. My concern in the left are about the Pets Thing being so absurd is, his rhetoric has had already, real consequences for immigrant communities, and so i do worry that when he amplifies that type of nonsense, that there are folks who are hearing him, who believe in things like the great replacement theory, who take that to mean a replacement of themselves and their families and feel motivated to violence, and so that to me, its both the absurdity but also being reminded that that absurdity at times has consequences. This is a really important point and we actually debated whether we were going to do this last night because we didnt want to elevate it but it is this debate. Let me ask you about this, molly. When do you Fact Check, because do you elevate when you Fact Check and when due just let the crazy set, right . And i find that to be a hard thing to navigate at times. I mean look, this is part of this trump you know, these kind of stories that he runs with that are far right Gateway Pundit Kind of stuff that is based on nothing except racism. I would say that you have to Fact Check it because its gotten to the point where a republican president ial candidate is saying it during the debate. Theres no way out of that but i think it is right that there we all saw in 2016 We Saw marches and guys with torches and you know, We Saw violence and so We Saw January 6. There is absolutely a straight line between lying about people and violence and so i think its true but i also think this i dont know how many Swing Voters are going to hear the slide and be like this is my guy. Those voters wanted to hear about the border. They wanted to hear about a broken immigration system. He offered no solutions to any of those actual concerns. There are some people that want to believe the racism. We are going to play more clips. We have to sneak in a quick break. Will click on the Fact Checking thing, given the social Media Platforming we are in today, you cannot avoid it. You have to do it if you want to be responsible in your journals amend your reporting in a moment like that whether its on the Debate Stage or otherwise. You have to do it because the lie is like a little seed of cancer and you just have to nip it out. And you can give People Something to say. Okay we do have to sneak in a quick rake. Because the tech companies wont Fact Check. There you go. On that note, Elon Musk is another person who retreated this whole thing of the House Judiciary Committee also tweeted naigenerated photo of Donald Trump hugging a big dog and cat. On that note, we have a lot more to get to in our lively night Debate Coverage. We are just getting started so dont go anywhere. G started so dont go anywhere. My antidepressant. Vraylar helped give it a lift. 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That Bill Wouldve put more resources to allow us to prosecute organizations for Processing Drugs and Human Beings but Donald Trump got on the phone and called up some folks in congress and said kill the bill and you know why . Because he preferred to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and understand, this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in solutions, who actually addresses the problems at hand, but what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. Joining a conversation here in New York is maria teresa kumar, President And Ceo of voter latino. Thank you for joining us. We have been trying to play a bunch of moments from the debate and that one was interesting to me for a range of reasons, one being, trump did kill the portable. That is an area where Vice President harrison just the democrats in general are underwater. There is a big Advantage Trump has and this seems to be the argument. Do you think its an effective argument . I think its an effective argument but i also think that for a lot of folks watching her they keep saying well did she switch her positions and she keeps saying no i have my values and everybody recalls where she stood when it came to healthcare when it came to the border but she was running as a senator when she was interviewing for a job but then shes been at the job and how many of us have been literally when we are interviewing for a job that we do not know, have a certain perspective in the moment we are in the seat like oh, i have to reevaluate how im going to tackle these issues and in this case, she is now saying i am in the drivers seat. I better understand the changes we need to make the policy whereas when she was interviewing four years ago she was not capable because she did not have full information so that as i think one of the reasons why i would encourage when people are talking to her its like your values have not changed but you are now in the seat, you understand that what is happening at the border is far more complex than we understand because by the time someone gets to the border thats not immigration policy. Thats a order system. How do we start talking about the border issues and bring in canada and mexico and say how are we going to solve this together . Ive been saying that for the last 10 years or so, the next President Of The United States needs to call a regional summit of every country between canada and venezuela and guatemala, all of them. How do you all think that the border crossings are down right now . Its because mexico is enforcing their border with guatemala. But that is not a public facing effort. That is diplomacy, back door. We all know how that works in washington. Im talking about, if you want to control and command this conversation on the border you have the next resident Kamala Harris send a message to every president in the region and every prime minister to our north that says we are meeting here, not in washington, but down here in this location a can have this conversation about the economic, the social and the climate. [ inaudible ] there is a conference that happens but the challenge [ inaudible ] the point of it is not clear. It is basically we are going to have another [ inaudible ] so what are we going to come and actually recognize that if we do not solve this happening in our western hemisphere it becomes a national security issue. There is a summit of the americas. It was addressing the root causes, which is also the same job Vice President Joe Biden had when he was Vice President. Theyre going to keep coming after her on the borders not fixed. There are you know, migrants streaming, lying, scaring people, xenophobia. What do you think . What do you wish they were saying . Are they saying the right things . I live through shes the borders are then we get on the phone and let me explain to you what the world is and its like i never said it. I think the root causes migration. Thats not being introduced into the conversation. Were talking about a lot about the border, a lot about enforcement and to Vice President harris credit, she also talks about not just enforcement but also people inside the country, what we need to do to fix the pipeline and ensuring that people can come into this country because Donald Trump did decimate the immigration system. He literally got it so when we came in and 2021, it was nothing but there was all this Root Cause Work that happened with ceos and companies and investing in the region, bringing them together for those big meetings, those conversations with the foreign leaders down there, the former president of guatemala, the new president of guatemala, this is a president that is very much helping without that corruption. Theres a new resident in mexico. What is happening in venezuela has real implications on what is happening here. Not only is he not accepting the results of the elections but venezuelas largest groups of people coming to the border, so i do think they need to talk to six hinckley but a little bit more connect the dots because you cant just say this is a Diplomacy Issue as well and then never talk [ inaudible ] i would add a layer onto someones excellent analysis there that there is an opportunity as Donald Trump strips migrants and immigrants on the interior of this country of their humanity for Vice President harris to imbue them with humanity as she talks to the american plate people and i think there are two places she can do that. One, talking about Donald Trumps deportation forces wanting to come and take people out of their homes who have lived there the majority of their lives and dont even speak the language in the country of origin and to really take a Victory Lap on what she and president biden have done when it comes to keeping american families together, allowing for parole in place for spouses of american citizens. That is a political winner with voters of all stripes. Dont shy away from it, lean into it and create a contrast with Donald Trump. Very much a very good summary there. Everyone, this is like a form here. We have to sneak in another quick break coming up. Lets talk about how Jd Vance got name checked tonight and might be having an awkward conversation with his boss tomorrow. Dont go anywhere. His boss tomorrow. Dont go anywhere. Elvy, theres another option. One dose quickly stops migraine in its tracks. Treat it anytime, anywhere without worrying where you are or if its too late. 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With that, i did think her answer, and you have an interesting quibble with that i want to talk about that, was quite strong and when i think about moments that the comparing will push out, her two Minute Answer on Abortion Rights which was very passionate, very authentic, i thought was great and david plus, who works on the campaign was watching some dial groups and said that there was a 40 Point Lead among undecided voters on that answer which is not a surprise but you have a quibble which i actually dont disagree with. I appreciate all of that. It is just that there is this narrative that has evolved in this space in talking about abortion that i think is disrespectful, and please he was making the point earlier about the impact on families who, when Donald Trump says that you know, democrats want to kill babies after theyre born thats murder. There are laws against that, come on, but the point being that is a form of abortion in the ninth month or if a baby is born in a Situation Or Condition in which the baby may not survive after birth, right . I thought when he said that i thought that was a moment given the totality of her narrative on abortion that she would stop in that moment and go you know what . That is a lie because that is not who we are. That is not what we believe in. That is not a policy we would never advocate for but she didnt and i thought this was a moment where you do. This is where you defend your camp because to be honest, that is a lie that sticks with a lot more voters than i think democrats really appreciate, and like the Cat Thing, people begin to believe it and they will believe that a lot faster than they will the Cat Thing and i just think, if she gets a chance in the future to definitively, along with everything else she is saying about this issue, make it very clear where democrats stand because i think the narrative is kind of confused for some voters out there. Talking about where it lives is places the media doesnt peek into. It lives in whats app, it listen really close circles where there is no counter to what he is saying. It does spread like wildfire and goes into the persons imagination. There is no Fact Checking in those spaces. Someone made this point to me that we trump is incoherent. He was tonight. He is awesome but everybody in his campaign is not incoherent when they actually run in certain districts in certain areas, quite comprehensive, smart campaign ads focused on a range of these issues. Donald trump had it wrong hes like the governor of West Virginia he met the governor of virginia, the former governor who is a doctor by trade and there was a clip of him, very not well put together that said republicans of and ramadi have been running on so where is Ralph Northam . Please, and cleanup on aisle nine. I think that Abortion Answer is one of the things that will be pushed out. What do you think the campaign should push out that will be effective . I agree she connected emotionally. She connected substantively on the issue and i would just remind us that pennsylvanians get there early vote ballots in five days, like this election is not 50 days out. This election is happening in real time and so if there are people who are motivated they are going to have the opportunity to exercise that motivation very soon and if i am the Harris Campaign, im trying to push people to that option as quickly as possible. Lots of work ahead. Michael steele, Simone Sanders townsend, alicia menendez, thank you all for staying up late with me. I always appreciate it. Thats it for us. Good night, good morning. Thanks for being with us for this special night of Debate Coverage. Should stand the test of time. Longlasting Eylea Hd could significantly improve your vision. More people on Eylea Hd had no fluid in the retina, compared to those on eylea at 4 months. Eylea hd is the only wet Amd Therapy that helped 8 out of 10 people go up to 4 months between injections, after 3 initial monthly treatments. If you have an eye infection, Eye Pain or redness or allergies to Eylea Hd, dont use. 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