Its going . In the last one within the first ten minutes people had their ideas. Whats your Mark Tonight . I think well have a sense of whether what the moderators have planned tonight. One of the things was Fact Checking was going to be the purview of the participants not the moderators, and i think well get a sense of what role the moderators are going to play in the first few minutes. I think if you look back at harris and her sort of arc in the senate on the Judiciary Committee, it took her about three quarters to make bill barr, Jeff Sessions and Brett Kavanaugh squirm. I would give her about five minutes to see what approach shes taking and what strategy she plans to deploy. Trump wont be the story. I know he likes to always be the story, but trump will be trump. I think ill be interested to see what abc and the Moderators Approach is tonight and what Vice President harris approach is tonight. You make a great point in reminding everyone even though news viewers may have been watching her and the dnc did well and outrated the rnc, thee is the new variable, a new variable on the democratic side. Weve seen the enthusiasm, the new variable to the public. In that sense, what the new variable says and how its absorbed will be a big feature of this, and you mention her questions. Shes good at that. The muted mic and this civilized order. You love when they say its going to be civilized. Write that down and invite Donald Trump over. She also is good at leaving questions at The End of her remarks, sometimes its a lawyers tool, and putting more heat on him. Is he going to answer anything from her or the moderators, because we know how he is. And the way you got to what do you want me to say . Standing by for january 6th, they put it on their own tshirts, just ask them. Was by Joe Biden saying the proud boys are the proud boys and the moderator, chris wallace, demanding an answer. So, again, we know what trump will do. Trump will do trump, and hes a sophisticated name your domestic pet, but the variables are the Vice President , her chosen strategy, what she chooses to deploy, and the moderators, what standards they have for the truth. All really interesting. A Big Night. Im really excited. I just feel excited. See, this is rachels influence, right . I can just imagine for us political nerds, this is sort of the prom and christmas and hanukkah all rolled into one. We will be here with our snacks. Eight nights of hanukkah, christmas and a little bit of the super bowl. Well take it all. Nicolle, ill see you at the table. Well all be watching together. See you soon. Our thanks to nicolle wallace. Welcome to the beat. Im Ari Melber and welcome to Debate Night in america. The data suggests more americans will be watching Politics Tonight than any other night this year. We can show you the stage already set in philadelphia where Trump And HarrisFace Off for what is going to be their first meeting ever. Yes, theyre both in politics. A former president , a current Vice President , but theyve never been in the same room, and they both face High Stakes, as nicolle and i were discussing. The last debate clearly had more pressure on biden than trump and then sparked weeks of intrigue which led to the President S unprecedented exit from the race. These two this time face a tight race. Trump and harris are tied in current polling in the key states that could decide the whole thing including michigan and pennsylvania. Harris has been marching through weeks of campaigning and often quite positive national coverage since she became the nominee in what happened in politics coming out of that last debate. But, again, tonight is still different, and this is not just excitement, even though we are excited. We admit it. Or News Speak or nerd speak, im going to walk it through with you right now. Tonight is actually on track to be Kamala Harris largest live audience ever, the democrats convention drew about 20 Million viewers, slightly more than the rnc. Her Vp Debate last cycle drew a whopping 58 Million live viewers. Tonights debate expected to surpass that and surpass the Trump Biden Debate of the summer and maybe even surpass, according to some analysts, the 73 Million people who came together and watched that 2020 debate which was a Big One and High Stakes and also, of course, during lockdown when more people were home all the time. But let me tell you this, analysts are forecasting a Tv Audience Tonight on par with the largest cultural moments across the History Of Modern American Television including back to eras where there were far fewer channels, there was no internet streaming, and people certainly werent on their phones. For example, tonight could draw an audience that could upend this whole race, because they are saying it could draw more than the 76 Million people who came together to watch the Seinfeld Series Finale live in 1998, and that comparison comes from the New York times itself which reports the audience would rival those final episodes of seinfeld or cheers which drew a whopping 80 million, in the simpler media days of 1993. Those are huge numbers, as well as the show about nothing. Tonights debate is definitely about something. We are living through the time of the Big Lie and the failed coup, of political violence and crackdowns on human rights, of rising prices and choppy markets, of wars in youre in the middle east, all the important things going on that also clearly have affected the electorate, a country that has been in a sour mood, which has faced the biden administration even as its leaders and now its democratic nominee, Kamala Harris, try to explain why so much of whats happening now was cleaning up for what they say came before in the trump era. The electorate is aware of all of this plus living through one of the most unusual election years in memory. As a democratic strategist put it, its like running a 5k after riding a tiltawhirl. Hours from now Vice PresidentKamala Harris and former President Donald Trump will battle it out on the Debate Stage. Microphones will be muted. I was even told by one ally they had encouraged him to use facial expressions to respond not to actually say anything out loud. Shes been having mock debates with an aide who is dressed like Donald Trump. Regardless of which version of Donald Trump actually shows up on the Debate Stage, it is an opportunity for the Vice President , right, to communicate her vision. An opportunity, a clash, and a heck of a lot of pressure. As for the Debate Stage, weve seen both of these candidates styles on display. Our plan will bring Health Care to all americans. Nobody has done it, so were cutting Health Care if you dont mind letting me finish, we can have a conversation. Such a nasty woman. Proud boys stand back and Stand By we need someone on that stage who has the ability to go Toe To toe with Donald Trump. That was the candidate in the democratic debates, Kamala Harris, now shes doing that tonight for the first time. As for the record, setting us up tonight, Donald Trump has done General Election debates in 16, in 20, and his primary debates. Harris has done one with pets. Her time as a prosecutor does lend her more of an edge than many typical politicians, who you might have noticed can be quite long winded after years serving in talking clubs like the u. S. Senate. But lets be clear as we head into this tonight looking at the evidence and the record and why this is tough. Donald trump has an edge that goes beyond even his times on this particular stage. Debates are a television experience. They are really a type of Tv Show with higher ratings than most other political programs and Tv Shows. And trump spent his adult life in his own show, the actual Reality Show of the apprentice, literally, and dozens of other Madefortv And Pr events and performances. Donald trump oozes the quips and zingers many politicians try to learn later in life. Thats why harris own aides have been emphasizing trumps experience as a Debater Pointing out that hes done all those debates i mentioned, including the recent one with biden, that he has more recent experience while also hitting him for rambling speeches and lies. Its clear both of these people who Face Off tonight against this clear set of High Stakes and a huge audience, both these people are strong communicators. Theyre going to lean into their strengths, as we have seen before. What we have not seen is how they may impact each others performance. Its unfortunate that we have someone on the stage who is attempting to be the democratic nominee. Who during the Obama Administration spent four years full time on Fox News criticizing president obama. Im totally underleveraged because the assets are extremely good, and we have a very i built a great company. I am the only person on that Debate Stage who has dedicated their life to reforming this criminal justice system. New york, its a ghost town. Its a ghost town. And when you talk about plexiglas if you have something to say say it to my face i know Donald Trumps type. They have both been gearing up for this. And when you were up on that stage, you are alone. There is no teleprompter with stats or speeches. Theres certainly no Ear Piece with any disembodied voice offering you tips. Some of the most highperforming competitors on earth still get their live coaching on the sidelines while theyre on the field because it can help, because coaching works. Again, theres a level set, they are out with no such staff help. The rules ban all of that, and they bar even bringing their own handwritten notes to help your memory, something that even very experienced speakers tend to bring when you give a public address, let alone 90 minutes up on a stage. The rules mute the mics, as youve heard, and require measures to reach the goal of a, quote, civilized discussion. Have you met both these candidates . One of them may struggle with that. Any coaching, though, will have to be finished before they step out on that stage alone, before the 9 00 p. M. Start tonight. And we do know both candidates have tapped their own advisers for prep. Donald trump using his Campaign Leadership you see here as well as his longest serving loyal aide steven miller, who is very involved, one of his most local matt gaetz. This shows you some clues as to the assertive Style TrumpMay Deplay tonight. Harris has prepped with a number of different experts. You see karen dunn, a top lawyer who is also defending google right now in a big, big, highstakes case. Reines is there. These people matter because before the candidates do step out on that stage now, just under three hours away, they will be alone in combat, alone in the physical sense of the word, yet watched by 50, 60, 70 Million people or more plus the tens of millions more than will watch later in the clips that may or may not shape perceptions of these two candidates. So theyll do their final prep with these trusted teams deciding on the strategy for this mostwatched battle this General Election season. Its a Big Night for the country. Definitely a Big Night here at msnbc. We have a lot planned for you. What do we think those people in these final hours are talking about at this moment as everyone gears up for this . Well, our leadoff guests have actually been in those rooms prepping President S and candidates at the highest levels. Were back in 90 seconds. Were s this is the easiest, nontoxic Swap Youll ever make. 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Harris there on the Debate Stage, and now we turn to our leadoff guests in our Special Coverage, some of the most sought after Debate And Campaign experts in the nation, renowned Washington Attorney Bob barnett, a top Debate Coach for obama and ten total president ial campaigns tapping his experience as williams and conley partner and playing the key role of the opposing candidate. He did that as bush, cheney and sanders, to prod and clash what were his democratic candidate clients. He did over 20 practice debates with bill clinton. His Client Roster includes michelle obama, bob woodward, liz cheney, the late john lewis. Full disclosure, he acted as my literary attorney. Washingtonian listed them on their list of best lawyers. Not too bad, bob. Welcome. Good to have you and your experience. And Jen Psaki has advised on the highest levels, the Obama Biden campaigns, of course, served as bidens White House secretary. She also knows the Vice President well and is our colleague now, host of inside with Jen Psaki. A Big Night for america, but a Big Night for your voluminous and accurate intros. Welcome to both of you. Thanks, ari. Thank you, ari. Bob, what do you see tonight . I think that it will be huge. I think, as i remember 92 hit 80 million. Im thinking it might do that, as you projected. I think both candidates have a lot at stake because they each have very different goals. And i think this will be the only debate, so theres a lot at stake. Jen . No question. I think if youre the harris team, you have a huge opportunity because 28 of people, according to that New York times poll, need to know more about you. So if youre her, youre thinking about that. What do they need to mo more about you . The contrast with trump . Do they need to know your plans . Thats on her mind in this debate. I think for her she wants to get under trumps skin, but also to do it in the right way. A huge moment would be a huge Abortion Moment where she pushes him on abortion because whats changed since 1992 and even more recently than that is these debates live on. They use them in clips for social media. They want the Followup Earned Media coverage after. They think what the moments are going to be. For harris, i think the biggest challenge is shes a preparer. We love that. We applaud people who do their homework. At a certain point, you have to put the note cards and the binders away and be in the moment. You want to see her less scripted . Yes. As you just did in your intro, which is so true, trup is a circus performer, my words. Its very different from, say, being in a Judiciary Committee hearing where youre in control of the questions youre asking and what youre pushing these people on. You have to be agile and, therefore, Let Go of the briefing materials. Shes smart. She knows them. You have to be in the moment. She has every capability of doing but that will be key in terms of her performance. Both of you mentioning whether or not she can affect trump, who famously dominates these televised scenarios. Bob, they put out an ad which may or may not be a clue, because you could cut an ad and have a different message on the Debate Stage, citing Obama Messing with trump. Take a look. Heres a 78yearold Billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems. Oh, she had a big crowd. Oh, the crowd this weird obsession with crowd sizes. It just goes On AndOn And on. Bob, what do you think of that strategy, whether we see it on the stage from harris directly, to try to get something back out of trump . I think thats a brilliant ad. It will go down in history with all those things. I think harris has to do four things. Number one, i think she has to continue the process of introducing herself to the american people. The polls show 28 dont know enough or dont know much of anything. So this is an opportunity but also a challenge. I think, second, she has to avoid taking the bait. Theres going to be a lot of bait, and you dont want to take any of the bait. You have to use the kissoffs, the pivots, such as she used in some of the interviews, same old playbook, next question, who does that . And i think you have to get away from his circus, good word, and try to do your own thing, show your own capabilities. Third, i think she has to defend the best of the biden record, and theres a lot there, a lot of good things. But she also has to do what Hubert Humphrey never did, and you guys are too young to remember Hubert Humphrey. Never separated himself, just that bit from lbj, the same way she has to separate herself a little bit from Joe Biden, to show who she is and what shes for thats different than the last four years, because there are people who havent liked the last four years. And, finally yeah. You know how they keep track of in a Football Game how many minutes each side has the ball . Every minute shes talking about the future, great. Every minute shes mired in the past, its a loss. Just like a Football Game offensive defense. Thats such an interesting point well take to psaki. You mentioned humphrey, which is interesting to lbj, because President Biden exited after winning the nomination late in the cycle, the last president to come anywhere close to that was lbj. Hubert humphrey not known for the same level of joy Kamala Harris has been evincing. I dont know if i passed Bobs History tests, but those are some parallels, jen, and bobs point goes to the viewers, by definition, if you say 5, 10 MillionPeople Volume the news and youre getting ten times that, right, those people by Definition Arent following it every day. Right. I heard from an Obama Veteran Today like you, who says everybody knows gas is still more expensive than before. And they know she has ties with biden. You have left that post, youre now independent on msnbc, there are a lot of people who still look at the Biden Harris Thing and tie it to the uncertainty and economic malaise and theyre not that happy. How does she speak to them, not even Donald Trump, given all his sins and now conviction . Well, first of all, shes gracefully done this to date. It has not been on a Debate Stage. To echo both of you, this is a lot harder to do that. In terms of Still HuggingPresident Biden, who she was partners with, but she hasnt really posed some big differences quite yet. And in that same New York times poll, 60 of people want a change. Thats a reality, thats certainly on her mind. I think the key thing im going to continue the version of the Football Analogy and try for Bob Barnett out there, she should get points, i dont know, touchdowns, whatever, every time she makes it about the people sitting at home. The thing about the first debate, it was like a conversation between the two of them. It was not really about the people sitting at home. And ultimately when shes at her best, when Joe Biden is at his best, how they will fight for the people at home and how Donald Trump is fighting for himself. She can turn the messaging on almost any topic to that and on the economy question, just to come back to that, thats how she does it. I am a person who wants to continue the work and build on it and i will be fighting for you. Hes going to fight for himself. That was the message in 2012, by the way, when Barack Obama won reelectiOn And the economy was not fully recovered, thats a good message and a good framing one for her as she goes into this debate. Up know its a Big Night in america when we turn to football instead of lyrics, okay. Were going as i may have butchered that, but i tried to continue it, a field goal, a touchdown, yes conversions, two points. Were going full mainstream. Im over on time theyre telling me, bob, before i lose you, you, of course, worked famously for all of these democrats, what grade do you give Donald Trump overall as an effective debater if youre really being honest . Im not talking about fair, likeable. What grade . He has in the debates been pretty effective. I would say this, what he did in the Biden Debate was come in with ten ready answers on ten topics that you knew were going to come up. Sure. And no matter what the question was, he answered the topic not the question. Which takes me back to the role of the moderators, which takes me back are you going to give a grade . A grade . Lawyer to lawyer, are you going to answer the question . I dont think hes a good debater. You dont . I think hes a good talker. Performers. He has a lot of Word Salad but not effective. Every time she talks not about you at home but a specific person we used to teach, use examples, use someone you met, thats really powerful. So the grade is . For him . Cminus. Jen . Ooh, ill give him a c for performance, and Thats Part of what debates are and thats an important thing to remember. The moments we remember, the handshake, is there leering . Hes a proven liar, a convicted felon in New York with the sentencing coming later, on trial for stealing an election. We cover all of that. Efficacy on the Debate Stage bminus to bplus. Hes also being graded on a curve. Im talking about being effective. Ill let you have the last word. Were over on time. Can i say one more thing . Even last time, january 6, he had a terrible hand to play, and he should be preps Edpressed Ond Rereported that and he turned the Jan 6 answer into saying here is what was wrong with the economy and the other things and this handoff and this whole diversion. It would take a strong Rebuttal Or Moderator to clean it up. I dont mean honest. Go ahead. Yes, i agree. Not honest, dishonest, not tied down by facts, not tied down by details of policy issues. So what i mean is what i mean by Grading On A Curve not by you but in advance of this debate, if he does not call her a nasty woman and does not shout at her and sounds marginally comprehensive or marginally not confused, then there will be people who say he wins, and thats what shes coming up against. I hear that. Over on time. Final word, bob . One final thing, James Carville used to say this whole election is about 20,000 people in each of seven states, and thats the audience for this debate. And i hope that Vice President harris keeps that in mind. Its not about the maga people. Its not about the committed liberals. Its about those 20 people in seven states. Those are the people she has to talk to tonight. And thats a fair point. And to the numbers we have, it is why the race is tight and why the trump aides are more nervous, have changed their electoral map strategy. She has improved over the biden positiOn And a lot of those people will see her in extended form for the first time this year. Bob and jen, thank you. By The End of the hour a top Harris Insider with a preview of exactly whats going down in her camp going into the debate and a special look at dealing with trumps attacks. Its a Big Night in america. Msnbc coverage. Rachel is about a half an hour away. We will be right back. We will be right back. On medicare . Have diabetes . With the Freestyle Libre 3 system youll know your glucose and where its headed No Fingersticks needed. Covered by medicare for more people managing diabetes with insulin. Visit freestylelibre. Us medicare chase really knows how to put the hart in your local community. See what i did there . Hey, jackie evan, My Guy youre helping them with savings, right . i wish i had someone like evan when i started. Somebody just got their first Debit Card Ice cream on you . Ooo, tacos i got you. 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Harris wants to showcase much of her background and the way she has met the moment in past debates. I have taken on jeff session. I have taken on bill barr, i have taken on Brett Kavanaugh. President trump has put the health of america first. On January 28th the Vice President and the president were informed about the anyway tour of this pandemic, they were informed that its lethal in consequence. I will not sit here and be lectured by the Vice President on what it means to enforce the laws of this country. I am the only one on this stage who has personally prosecuted everything from child Sexual Assault to homicide. We need someone on that stage who has the ability to go Toe To toe with Donald Trump and someone who has the ability to rebuild the Obama Coalition and bring the party and the nation together. I believe i am that candidate. Were joined by margaret carlson, a democratic strategist. Margaret, youve covered many a debate. What do you see as key tonight for the first time these two meet . I see something different than we were hearing inside her camp which is she wanted to try to get under his skin. She shouldnt be seen to get under his skin, youre going to be seen as getting under his skin and thats not what she needs to do because the biggest thing is introduce yourself to people and you dont want to be that person. Women dont get to be that person. The moment with pence when she said, im speaking, was her best moment. It wasnt. It was when she kept the Policy Front and center. If this debate is about policy, she wins. If its about cracking nasty comments, he kind of wins. During the Biden Debate he was sedated if you look back on it. It was biden who lost, not trump who won, but Trump Wasnt being himself. Trump was being a quiet version of himself. If he does that tonight, thats not how shes going to win. If he has to talk about policy as he did the other day in a rally, he was asked a question about Child Care and he gave a driving down the pacific Coast Highway like reagan, his first debate, answer. And it had the word tariffs in it four times and it never, ever answered the question about Child Care. If those questions are posed to him, he loses and she wins. I saw one on her wellknown listening face, and i want to build on the point you raise. Harris has been all about the future and bringing people towards this campaign and almost never out of her own mouth do you hear anything about what does hang over this, being the first woman of Color President and there are all these issues she has to navigate. We would be remiss if we didnt preview what has come before. Donald trump has used the kind of sexist attacks seen as Out Of Bounds by many until he used them against Hillary Clinton and others, and its interesting given the Gender Gap that we currently have. Trump is doing well and trailing among women, the 16 Clinton Debate is when we saw what people were dealing with. She doesnt have the looks, sheep doesnt have the stamina. I said she doesnt have the stamina. My social Security Payroll Contribution will go up as will donalds assuming he Cant Figure out how to get out of it. What we want to do is replenish such a nasty woman. Juanita . That type of engagement is why i think tonight is going to be a big job for Vice President harris. While she did have that moment against Vice President pence of im speaking now, im looking how she balances the annoying gnat in her ear that will be Donald Trump, because even though his mic will be muted, hell be speaking ari. The last time he was on stage with black women at the Naj Convention where he had nothing but vile, harmful, hateful things to say to reporters asking reasonable questions. Like margaret mentioned, women dont tend to have the leeway to respond directly. I made that face because its doubly more difficult for black women to call out harms from white men in public without being under the trope of an angry black woman. This might be a moment where the Vice President could introduce levity. She could laugh in Donald Trumps face which, is his worst nightmare having a woman mock him nevertheless a black woman mocking him. I will be watching how she balances that out because she does have to call it out but she is running a campaign full of joy and that has to be engaged in this process. She could be a very patient, thoughtful, sober and joy us person, but if many people, as you are both saying, see her in a very heated exchange, that may be how they index her, what they remember, and their lived experience, because they dont follow as closely. We want to show you and the Audience Something in 2010 Running For Ag against a republican opponent. This was her first televised debate. You are going to be working with various people in the criminal justice system, it would be good for someone who has expressed their Respect And Admiration for, and that is very, very clear in this race. I will take a Back Seat to no one on my Law Enforcement credentials. I am a career prosecutor, i have personally prosecuted everything from drug crimes to homicides, i have looked in the eyes of rapists and child below molesters and sent them to prison for very long periods of time. I am proud to have the support of leaders who understand what we need to do to fix broken systems. I have about 30 seconds. Sandra butler is standing by. What do you see there in my road to here . I heard her say what she should say tonight is about her record, explaining when asked, because she will be asked, some of her switches on policy. She didnt mind fracking and now she likes fracking. And clear that up. If she ignores him, juanita, he will escalate and thats what she wants out of him. Interesting. 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It should be her decisiOn And not that of Donald Trump and the Vice President , michael pence. Kamala harris on the Debate Stage, The Last Time she did a General Election debate, of course, again then Vice President pence, her only debate. She face as very different opponent tonight. Whatever your views and criticism of Donald Trump, many people have strong feelings, we have been covering the fact he uses all kinds of tricks, ploys, lies and sometimes outright Hate Speech to try to upend Depp Debates and has done it with both parties. A lot of times youll have and it doesnt work very well how tough is it to take property from an elderly woman . Let me talk. Quiet. First of all, Rand Paul Shouldnt be on the stage. One second more energy tonight. I like that. I have a Policy Question for you, sir. Lets see if he answers it. I will, dont worry about it. Dont worry about it, little marco. 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She was also sworn in by harris when she replaced the late Senator Dianne Feinstein and in the newsworthy cracking Spin Room is California Senator Laphonza butler. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks for haing me, ari. Youre not just in the Spin Room. You have been a close Confidante And Ally of the Vice President , now the democratic nominee. What can you tell us about what youre seeing on the ground, in the room there, the preparations for tonight, and what youre hoping she gets across . Look, ari, its great energy here in the room in philadelphia. You have leaders from across both campaigns who are here talking about their candidates and what we all expect to see. Look, i think that the Vice President is going to continue the business of the democratic convention. She has is going to work to introduce herself to the american people. Shes going to talk about what her vision is for the country, to take the country in a new way forward. And shes going to contrast that with what are the policies of project 2025, from former president trump. And i think shes going to do a lot of work to extend an invitation to voters who have not yet made up their minds, voters who i think are kamala curious, and shes going to talk about how they can see herselves in her and governor Walzs Campaign to bring the country in a new direction. You say kamala curious. What are you and her allies and the Vice President prioritizing in conversation with those voters and i think as you know, youre absolutely right. We have been telling viewers tonight, we expect tens of millions more viewers for this than anything this year. Theyre going to hear from her tonight. Yeah, i expect that the Vice President is going to continue to talk about those Kitchen Table issues, those economic issues at the cornerstone of so many discussions in families all across this country. Shes going to focus on the fact that prices are that people are facing really high prices in their homes and whether theyre trying to buy a home or just trying to rent a space for themselves and their family. Shes going to talk about the price of groceries, and her plan to bring Grocery Prices down. Shes going to talk about Prescription Drugs and the work that she wants to do with Governor Walz to continue to address the cost of Prescription Drugs for so many across our country. Shes going to talk about how we can rebuild an economy that includes small businesses and really build that opportunity economy, i believe, that is a way to invite everyone to see themselves, whether theyre a small business owner, young families just getting started or moms and dads, single parents, families all across this country, whether theyre in Red States or blue, who really want to see our country move away from the politics of divisiOn And hate. And really have a political discourse that our children and future generations deserve. And i think this is the moment where shes going to make that clear. Shes going to extend that invitatiOn And make sure people know the Harris Walz Campaign is a place for them and for their families to really be apert of bringing our country forward. Ill warn you and everyone, we have about 45 seconds until i hand off to rachel. But in our final question, you are dealing with a proven known liar. I dont say that as a criticism or an opinion. Its what he is. Youre not just going to ropeadope, but you dont want to obsess over overresponding to him. We showed some of the ways he tripped up republicans in debates in the past. How do you think shes thinking about that tonight . Look, what i know of this Vice President is that shes focused on the business. She is clear about who the former president is, what his tactics have been in the debate, which she most importantly is clear about her mission, communicating with the american people, offering a vision forward. Shes going to be a truth teller, not a fact checker. I believe thats how shes going to use her time. Its interesting you put it that way. Very thoughtfully. There is a difference between telling the positive or the truthful story you have versus having to clean up all of his mess, which factually goes through the whole 90 minutes and beyond. Good to see you. Thanks for joining us tonight. Thank you. Appreciate it. Im sure well hear from the senator and many others outside the Spin Room. Rachel maddow takes care of our coverage next. Well be right back. The 4 signs of early Gum Disease a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. Your Record Label is taking off. But so is your sound engineer. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. 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