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Two years older than i am and i love that. Thank you lawrence. They are finally trying. Here they are trying. Here is the latest attempt at tt trying. The elements of the News Media accused of saying Washing Trump no they are guilty of exactly that tyand now some of them lik the New York Times, they really are trying to do something about it but it is their first try. So it is not perfect. Their first try was published under the headline, as debate looms trump is now the one facing questions about age, and capacity with a Sub Headline reading his ramblings and incoherent public statements have stirred concern among public voters. The times article does not use the term saying washing which describes the way some in the Media Edit trumps crazy statements down to a shape that allows them to then try to make sense of them. The article does offer the New York Times own Confession Abouto doing exactly that. In here is the times confession in writing in this article. Often the mangled statements are summarized in news accounts that do not give the full D Picture of how baffling they can be. The New York Times has done that every single day. The New York Times has been covering trump the politician. Including in this article g tonight. They could not get through the entire article without doing it. In this article the New York Times is trying to cure itself n of its habit of saying Washing Donald Trump and in the next passage after the one i just read the New York Times tries to say and wash what trump said last week to the stupid rich people at the New York economic club who clapped enthusiastically for trumps incoherent response to a question about childcare. A response that was not a answer. It was a widely criticized incoherent jumble but did not in answer the question in any way and in the Article Tonight New York Times thought they could sure their habit by including a large portion of what he said instead of the short Scene Washed Bids that they used in the coverage last week. Here is the New York Times attempt at a qr for its own habit of saying washing in which, in The End, It Scene Washes Trump again. Tonight article says because quoting trump at length can provide additional context, here is a more extended account of his reply on affordable childcare. It is a important issue but i im think when you talk about the kind of numbers i am talking mb about, because childcare is childcare, you have to have it, in this country you have to un have it but when you talk about those numbers compared to the kinds of numbers i am talking about by taxing Foreign Nations at levels they are not used to but they will get used to it quickly and it will not stop them from doing business with us but they will have a substantial tax when they send products into our country, those numbers are so much bigger that they will take care of it. By running that response by trump the New York Times in the next Paragraph Scene washed it with this interpretation, but he seemed to be saying is that he would raise so much money by imposing tariffs on imported goods that the country can use the proceeds to pay for Child Care, in itself that would be a disputable Policy Assumption. A disputable Policy Assumption . That is the single most disturbing thing i have read in the New York Times about the ut New York Times. Let me just read the New York Times saying washing once again. What he seemed to be Mesaying W he would raise so much money by imposing tariffs on imported goods that the country could use the proceeds to pay for Child Care and in itself that would be a disputable Policy Assumption. There was a time not long ago when everybody at the New York Times and i mean everyone including printers and delivery drivers, new what a tariff is. Now it appears nobody at the New York Times knows what a tariff is including the top Ri Reporters covering the campaign. This article allows trump to say his tariffs would be taxingt Foreign Nations. A fact in its Campaign Reporting and that means the New York Times Campaign Coverage and its economic coverage is hopelessly lost in this campaign. How slowly do i have to say it for the New York Times campaigns reporters to understand it . For the very first time . I said it many times before, i understand the Campaign Reporters are too busy to watch this program, i do not expect them to learn any of this from me, i expected them to learn this by The End of the first year of High School. A tariff is imposed by the united states of america and paid for by the people of the united states of America And Nobody else ever. The entire point of a tariff is to raise the price of the foreign product to the american consumer so the american consumer does not want to s purchase it anymore because it is too expensive. All economists understand that american Tariffs Function as Sales Taxes paid by american consumers. Economists consider carrots Sales Taxes. Yes tariffs raise money. Tariffs were the only way the he federal government raised money before the imposition of income taxes. The only way the american government can raise money is from the american people. The american government cannot tax anyone other than the american people and the night before the debate, the New Yorkd times is telling readers that trumps tariffs are taxing Foreign Nations. Yes trump tells a lot of lies and it is impossible to keep up with every one of them but tariffs . Why . The New York Times in a article to take on trumps lies and incoherent renting prints trumps tariff live and let it stand. Its only question about it is whether the tariffs would raise enough money to pay for Child Care. Saying Washing Trumps insane response about childcare last week, the New York Times tries to tell you that trump seems to be saying his tariffs would raise so much money that the money could be used to pay for Child Care but then maybe trump would not use it for that. Trump did not say one word about paying for Child Care or using Tariff Revenue to pay for Child Care. There is not a single thing in Trumps Response that any sane person can convert to trumps suggesting that the federal government should in any way do anything to pay for Anyones Childcare and the New York Times hallucinated that explanation into existence and after hallucinating that explanation into print the New York Times says it is a disputable Policy Assumption, it is not it is completely impossible. What this article proves is how deep the actual intellectual rot is l at the New York Times, at the reporting and editorial level going all the way up to the top. This is a big and important article for the New York Times tonight. It had to be examined by multiple editors to make its way into print. Every one of them was completely cool with trumps insanity about tariffs. The New York Times was perfectly happy to put in print that trumps tariffs are taxing Foreign Nations. That lie, the New York Times lets stand unchallenged. EveryonE Working in the E Business Section of the New York Times is embarrassed by this. Everybody knows the truth about tariffs but they are not the editors that cover the campaign so they have no input into a article about tariffs. The New York Times and the rest of the media has been enabling trumps lies about tariffs for 10 years now and i used to think they were doing that because trump was telling Wa Bigger lies than his lies about tariffs. More destructive lies about elections, lies that have gotten people killed so oufor years i have been repeatedly pointing out trumps lies about tariffs multiple times a Year Lt and it has been a lonely pursuit but now i know it is much worse than i thought. Now i know there are peoplE Working at the New York Times that believe trump when he says tariffs are taxing Foreign Nations. There are people at the new Op York Times that will allow that to go into print uncontested. They forgot whatever it was they were supposed to learn in High School about tariffs. They let trumps tariff lies simply seep into the political system. Seep into the very soil of american politics. Without ever examining or disputing trumps lies about tariffs. Lies that give people false hope about what is possible and that means we should be sitting here tonight with absolutely no confidence that there is anyone anywherE Working at Abc News that knows what a tariff is. I did not think that yesterday but i now think that is possible because of what the New York Times of his he does not know about tariffs and i thought they were the best on this stuff. The one person working at Abc News that i know knows what a tariff is was george who worked on that issue as a staffer in the House Of Representatives and then again in the White House with clinton but george has no role in tomorrow Nights Debate hosted by Abc News so when trump lies about tariffs it will be the Vice President s job alone with no hope from the moderators to try to undo 10 years of lying to america about what a tariff is and who pays a tariff and that is how unbalanced the debate will be un even before it starts. Harris will not just have to fend off new trump lies Tomorrow Night, she will have to fend off to10 years of the accumulated weight of trump lying including on subjects that the News Media has never made a attempt of any kind to challenge trump. What is the toughest western you have heard a reporter ask about tariffs . The answer is none. There has never been a tough Ve Question put to trump about tariffs. 24 hours from now you will hear many commentators saying and watching much of what trump has to say Tomorrow Night, in that Sense Harris will not just be debating trump Tomorrow Night, will also debate the News Media reviewers of the debate, i many of whom do not comprehend the fundamental facts of government like a tariff is not taxing Foreign Nations. We will be a tariff nation, it will not be a cost to you, be it will be a cost to another country. I am a Tariff President not a Tax Increase president. We will lower your taxes. Tariffs are taxes on you. The reason no previous president ever wanted to be called a Tariff President is that all of those president s new that americans pay american tariffs. All of their voters knew that ha as well. Joining us now is quinton, the principal Deputy Campaign Manager for the Harris Campaign. Thank you for joining us on this debate eve. In thinking about the Tariff Issue alone, you can see what Vice President harris is up against in the debate. It is not just the Lie Trump tells Tomorrow Night, it is the lie he has been building upon and adding weight to over the years so that so many people take those things without wi questioning them like the e Tariff Issue. He has been lying to the american public for the past 10 years and he has been lying to the american public his entire life. This is very clear. There is only one candidate looking out for the middle class, trump is for the Ultra Wealthy and every rutime he ope his mouth he is lying about it. He is for the ultrawealthy. Major Tax Breaks at the expense of the middle class. The Vice Resident is fighting for the middle class which is why you hear her introducing h proposals to cap the cost and stop Price Gouging on food and make sure people can afford down payments on homes and continue to give americans Child Tax credits and on the flipside you hear trump doubling down on tariffs which in fact would be a 4000 increase on the average Middleclass Family in this country. That is what trump is for and he is lying about it. The polls are tightening. In one since they are not. Most of the t. Swing state polls have been within the margin of error and now they thare in a tighter version of within the Gh Margin of error. What do you see in the movement in the polls recently . I see we have to continue to communicate with voters. We have always known this is going to be a razor thin Margin Race no matter how it turns out. We have to continue to put in thE Work. Vice president harris and the governor are running as the underdogs in this election. We have been since the beginning. Partially because of the lack of fact checks on President Trump and the lies he is telling this country but we will continue to put in the E Work and build the apparatuses across the Battleground States continue to have the Vice President and the governor across the country speaking directly to voters which we will do after ctthe debate with the new way forward for and that is how we will take the election but we are confident as voters here, harris takes on Trump Tomorrow and be ready to share her vision for a new way forward for this country, the choice will be crystal clear that our campaign will continue to put in thE Work. When you look at monets debate, how will the Harris Campaign score a victory . What will define winning this debate . I think at The End of the day it is not what our campaign things, it is about what the voters think. To me that is a victory coming into it. At The End of the day we know the race is about the future and about voters. Voters will get to hear about l trumps lies about ripping away freedoms from people in this country, mainly reproductive freedom from women. A direct result of trump, he will continue to lie about the economy, he will continue to lie and distance himself from project 2025 and his involvement in it, at The End of the day is a plan designed by trump loyalists to destroy the Department Of Justice to give trump unchecked political power so he can do whatever he wants and take revenge on his political enemies so the Vice President will come prepared to share her vision but at The End of the day it is about voters and the Vice President will speak directly to American Er Voters tomorrow. Thank you very much for starting off our discussion on this night before the debate. Coming up, Jd Vance who o never met John Mccain thinks he knows John Mccains mind better than John Mccains son does. 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Last week in arizona, two days after the son of the late republican senator John Mccain of arizona endorsed harris for president , republican candidate Jd Vance said i do not believe for a second if John Mccain were alive today and he sees what is going on at The American Southern Border that he would support harris and all the destruction she has wrought, i do not believe it. Jd vance went on to say, who cares what somebodys family thinks. Will John Mccains family knew John Mccain a lot better than Jd Vance who never met John Mccain. John mccains republican without endorsed harris against trump saying trump does not share any of her values meaning John Mccains values and last week John Mccains son said this. The one thing about John Mccain is that he cared about his country and lived his life that way. As much as i stayed as a independent i decided it was time to move on and do what i believe in. The fact of the matter is country first. You have to think about your country first. Care about making the country better. I feel harris and tim embody A Group of people that will help make the country better and take us forward. That is really what matters at The End of the day. John mccain was elected and reelected to the senate by the people of arizona six times. Mark kelly who now occupies that seat said this while Jd Vance was in arizona last week. If trump was serious about the border he would not have told republicans to torpedo the most comprehensive Border Security Bill in decades. He did it because he would does not once solutions he wants a issue to campaign on and while Jd Vance is in arizona today, let me remind you that he voted against strengthening Border Security earlier this year because trump told him to. Joining us now is democratic Senator Mark kelly of arizona, the author of a new Childrens Book out tomorrow. Based on a partially True Story. I have that book right here on the desk. We will get to this in the last minute. I want to start with what we just heard. Jd vance presuming he knows John Mccains mind better than his family does. I am in John Mccains Senate Seat and i would not for one second presume i can speak for senator mccain. He is a guy i looked up to and admired. He was a hero of mine. Jd vance should not be speaking for senator mccain. What i will tell you about John Mccain is he was somebody that stood up for democracy. He fought for democracy in ukraine. He stood up to autocrats and dictators. Let me tell you who else is doing that, harris. Harris stands with the ukrainian people, she stands up against pruden and who does not . It is trump and Jd Vance. They are not supporting our allies in europe against this illegal invasion. In my opinion they say one disturbing thing after another when it comes to the amount of support we want to provide to ukraine so that is who John Mccain was and i know his Position And Harris and what she will do as a leader of the country is similar. That is not what we are seeing from Jd Vance or trump. I was working for the senate when mccain was there and if there was any major bipartisan deal, John Mccain was in the middle of it and if there had been a major bipartisan deal on immigration, the kind that was negotiated this year, John Mccain would have not just been in the middle of it, he would have been a important leader of it as a Border State Senator and people would have looked to him for guidance and he would have known exactly how to reach a bipartisan deal. He would not have anybody especially Donald Trump tell him he could not vote for it. That is not the John Mccain i knew in the John Mccain this country knows. Trump told senate republicans that they could not vote for the Border Security deal and most of them listened. They did what he wanted them to do because he made it clear, he needed for the election. Harris has made it clear that she will bring the bipartisan Border Security Bill back and if we can get it to the senate she will sign into law. Republicans do not want to solve this problem. Jd vance does not want to solve the problem. What they like to do is make trips to my state, to the state of arizona, John Mccains state that they like to go there and take a photo at the southern border. They are not into solving problems and it is not just this problem, it is problems like trying to bring down the cost of Healthcare And Prescription drugs for seniors. Trumps project 2025 makes it clear if he is in office, he will undo the legislation that reduced the costs of senior Prescription Drug prices and so many other things that are not in the best interest of our country. I have to ask about the book before you go. A Childrens Book but as you say it is a partially True Story. What is the True Story . On my first Space Shuttle Mission i had 18 mice on board, 17 of them did not enjoy the experience, there was one little guy that would float over and get his food and float back to get his water, he seemed to get it. We labeled g this one. I love that story. The mysteries of space i did not know anything about. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. In a debate with a pathological liar, the deck is pathological liar. Michael joins us next. Felite. C. We were able to track our technician and knew exactly when hed arrive. We can keep working synth Music Woman Safelite came to us. Tech hi, im kendrick. Woman with a replacement we could trust. Thats service the way we want it. Vo schedule free Mobile Service now at safelite. Com. Singers safelite repair, safelite replace. I have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Thanks to skyrizi im playing with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months. And skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. 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How does it happen that a man who speaks the way he speaks, deranged sometimes, delusional sometimes some of the things he posts untruths social, his website, you cannot repeat on american television. You would not repeat the words in front of your children. That is who he is. How did we get here . I have to tell you and i hesitate to say this and i do not know if jonathan or willie would agree with me, there is a False Equivalency going on in the coverage of this race. In that trump can say whatever crazy things he wants to say about submarines and sharks and electric batteries, whatever he wants to say and it is not really covered in the sense that it is describing who said it, why he said and who the man is. Always in that story, the False Equivalency by too many reporters and american newspapers, also harris changed her mind by fracking, they always throw in something like that in the coverage. It is ridiculous, we do not cover the man for hug dangerous he is. Joining our conversation now is michael, distinguished professor of African American studies, he is the coauthor of the new book represent, the unfinished fight for the vote. Michael, to mikes question, how did we get here . One of the places we are at is this world of the double standard. There is a standard for trump Tomorrow Night and a standard for harris Tomorrow Night. We know the Harris Standard will have to be perfection. We know trumps standard is something else. We have had double standards in this country for a long time. We have had that. That is a brilliant way to set it up, it is deeply entrenched. It is nothing new to harris. As a africanamerican growing up born under the wing of Jim Crowe in detroit michigan, it was battered into my brain that you have to be twice as good. I know it is a old shovel to some and a old salt to others but it is true. A tradition of black people felt we had to outperform just to get consideration. So harris knows we are already grading trump on a curve and we are grading with grace and mercy. Where she has to be held to a higher standard. She will not complain or bellyache, she will perform and that is the best way to beat the spoke that engage in that kind of unspoken privilege. You have been in various Debate Form formats and different kinds of academic challenges over the years that are much more sophisticated than this kind of thing but as a student of rhetoric, how does one confront rhetorically, Pathological Lying. The thing is, she gave him a bit of a hint when on a interview on another station when she was asked about trump and she said same old tired playbook next question, at this point she can also illustrate to the nation how hateful his rhetoric is so she needs to engage a little bit to say this is the worst aspect of our american soul. This is not what lincoln would call the better angels of our nature. She uses it to dispose of his arguments which are faulty and third she reminds people that there is a huge difference between this man with his cricketing logic that results in jumping from subject to subject any i will stay steady and do what i do and at that level the Pathological Lying will continue but not affect her in the same way. Please stay right there we will squeeze in a quick break. When we come back i want to ask, what you would tell black voters who are thinking about voting for Donald Trump. We will be right back. Back. Yo cmon, bear. You dont. You dont have to worry. Be by your side. Ill be there. With my arms wrapped around. Liberty mutual customized my Car Insurance so i saved hundreds. With the money i saved i thought id get a Wax Figure of myself. Cool right . Look at this craftmanship. I mean they even got my nostrils right. Its just nice to know that years after im gone this guy will be standing the test of ti. Hes melting oh jeez. Nooo. Oh gaa. 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In his new book, represent the unfinished fight for the vote, mike writes over 20 Million americans, 10 of the Voting Age Population does not have official Edification Cards such as a Drivers License or passport. The majority are poor, many are elderly, born at a time or place were getting a Birth Certificate is not as common as it is today. A large percentage is African American and a larger percentage is native american. Getting documents to qualify for a license can be expensive for financial reasons as well, Voter Id laws function the Way Paul texas did under jim crow, making it harder or impossible for some to vote because they cannot afford the cost. The people most affected by Voter Id laws are some of the least powerful in the u. S. , people for whom voting may be the only or best way for them to make their voices heard. Back with us, michael, my favorite chapter of your book, represent the unfinished fight for the vote is this one, what you can do. There it is right there. For anybody out there wondering what they can do in this fight for the vote. It is extremely important, thank you for taking the time to read that. My coauthor insisted that we include that because we know that people need a roadmap to what you can do and how you can respond. The actual practices you can adopt to protect yourself and we know there is a bunch of shenanigans when it comes to the Voter Id law, it is another way to disenfranchise native people, indigenous folks, africanamericans and others. When youre out there talking to voters there asking not only what they can do but you are in exchanges with some black voters that are thinking about voting for Trump Coma some black voters that have maybe voted for trump in the past, how did those discussions go . I try to be reasonable, the trump you think is the guy before he was president. When he was a icon for hiphop because he was rich like you wanted to be an he appeared to be a great businessman. So what is interesting is he is different as a political figure. I hear people say he gave us a check during the pandemic, that was the government, the legislature, so i try to educate them. If you want to talk about giving out checks, biden has relieved the financial burden of millions in regard to education so i tell them consider his record, the things he has said and done. He has done extraordinary things for individual African Americans but the collective has been the vicious subject of his disregard for African American people and mexicans and latinos and others so i tried to suggest to them, do your homework, take seriously about how he and his father denied People Access to rent homes. How he still has not apologized for wanting to literally sent to the Death Chamber the exonerated 5, so when you look at his rhetoric and him saying he is the best president for black people, it is a bunch of malarkey. I asked them to take seriously what he says, judge it against what he does and look at what your options are and what is open to you. Does the discussion expand to the issue of party and how the republican party is now the party trying to suppress in any way it can . Absolutely, whenever you get that far. Then you get the argument among some, well the democrats are the racists, look at what they did, that was 200 years ago. It is a Janet Jackson Approach to politics, what have you done for me lately. And i begin talking about a party that is intent on suppressing your vote, destabilizing the ability to have the franchise, robo calls that lie to people about when they can vote, purging these roles of voters, kim in texas doing unconscionable things, so is the governor of florida so yes i suggest to them the last thing you ever say to a voter in any sense one side i guess the argument would have to be made that this side has not earned your vote and that side has earned your vote. 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