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Good morning. 11 00 a. M. Eastern, 8 00 a. M. Pacific. Im Jose Diazbalart. We begin with Breaking News in the legal drama surrounding former President Donald Trump. Just a short time ago a federal Appeals Court heard arguments on trumps efforts to overturn a 2023 judgment against him in the first case filed by writer e. Jean carroll. She was awarded 5 Million after a jury found trump liable for sexually abusing her in 1996. Carroll won a separate judgment against trump for more than 83 Million for defaming her. Trump denies all the allegations against him. Next hour were expecting to hear from trump when he makes remarks at Trump Tower. With us now msnbc legal correspondent Lisa Ruben outside the courthouse in lower Manhattan And Nbc correspondent Dasha Burns who was at Trump Tower. Also David Marcus, a criminal Defense Attorney and glenn kirshner. Lisa, you were inside the courtroom. What did you see . Reporter jose, i saw a very what i would call a pleasant argument in some ways and three judges on the panel who had a number of questions for both sides but no so many questions that either side was allowed to go over their time. As glenn and david can tell you, when appellate judges are interesting in resolving things its not atypical for an argument to run over time. Here they stuck very, very closely to the 20 minutes and thats because, in my view, they were dubious of the arguments that former President Trump is making to try to overturn the first of the e. Jean carroll verdicts. His argument is that judge kaplan at that first trial inappropriately admitted evidence of three kinds, two being testimony from women who accused former President Trump of sexually assaulting them. One in an Incident Dating back to the 1970s, one in the 1990s. Former President Trump is contesting the admission of the Access Hollywood Tape which carrolls lawyer says should be understood as his confession that he routinely did things like he did to e. Jean carroll and those two other witnesses, jose. Lisa, what effect or could it have an effect on what is decided in this case on the other case filed by e. Jean carroll . Reporter im so glad you asked that question because thats the reason i think Donald Trump showed up in court this morning. Its not just about this first trial where e. Jean carroll won damages in the amount of roughly 5 Million. Its because judge kaplan, after the first verdict where a jury found him liable for definition and Sexual Assault held that in the Second Trial Former President Trump was not allowed to contest those findings. He was bound by the first finding that he had sexually assaulted her and that he defamed her and the second trial was just about the quantum of damages he would owe her. We know that former President Trump at that second trial was found liable for over 83 Million to e. Jean carroll. With 88. 3 Million on the Line And Counting because its accruing interest, former President Trump is concerned about the impact on his wallet as well as the damage with female voters. Dasha, do we know why trump decided to attend todays arguments . He didnt attend much of the original trial. Reporter it is voluntary. To lisas point, yes, its about the money, but its also about the element of optics and of defiance and of trying to dispel the painting that harris is trying to paint of the prosecutor versus the felon versus the sexual abuser. Hes showing up trying to own this Court Appearance. He didnt show up at the first carroll case, but he showed up in the second one. He felt his presence was important. He wants to stand there and stare down that panel of judges. Hes showing up here in front of the Press Today to talk about this and hopefully answer questions, jose. David, talk about what exactly happened today. What was the reason behind it . What is the importance of this Threejudge Panel . Typically, jose, trials have the drama, not appellate arguments. It was drama in the Appellate Court because trump showed up, which typically doesnt happen on appeal. An appeal is academic. Both sides started out wanting to talk about the facts, wanting to get into what happened at the Trial And Trump being there added so much drama to the whole thing. Unlike most appellate arguments we had that high drama today. Glenn, lisa was bringing up that the defense was bringing up issues about those three different kind of pillars of that initial trial including testimony by some people in other time periods. What do you make of that argument . Yeah, you know, i think i agree with lisa that it seemed like the judges were dubious at best. Some of what john sauer, Donald Trumps appellate counsel was arguing. His Opening Salvo sounded like he was playing to somebody sitting out in the audience and not the Threejudge Panel because what he did was he started to attack the evidence in pretty inflammatory terms. This is the stuff you usually dont hear in appellate arguments. Very quickly one of the judges cut him off and said, quote, it is very hard to overturn a Jury Verdict based on evidentiary issues. Why should we order a new trial . Its pretty unusual for a defendant or a respondent in a civil case not to be bothered attending his own trial, but showing up in Appellate Court, which is rare. I agree with lisas assessment. John sauer and Donald Trumps arguments didnt seem to get much play. David, what does trump and his team need to prove to get this overturned . Just to be fair, Roberta Kaplan arguing for plaintiff started out with the facts and the judges moved her to the legal arguments. Trump has to show, a, that mistakes were made at the trial. Thats not enough. He has to show the mistakes were so egregious and so impactful that they were not harmless on the jury, that they affected the jurys decision. I think hes going to be able to show that mistakes were made, some of this evidence should not have Come In, other bad Act Evidence should not have Come In. The tricky part is going to be to show that it was so egregious that it impacted the jurys verdict. How do you prove that . How do you even bring that question up . Its so hard and its the bane of every appellate Lawyers Existence to prove it affected the jurys verdict. How do you get into the Jurys Mind and say they would have come out differently had they not heard this evidence that they shouldnt have heard. The standard is do you have confidence in the verdict if you take that evidence out . Trump has an argument here that you would lose confidence if you took that Propensity Evidence out. Thats trumps main argument. Lisa, when can we expect a decision from the Appeals Court . Reporter jose, its anybodys guess. The Second Circuit works according to its own timing. We could see a decision from this panel as soon as a few weeks from now or it may take several months. Sometimes Appellate Court decisions can take a year or two. As We Saw in the d. C. Circuit with respect to some of those civil cases brought by former Capitol Police officers against former President Trump, that decision that we talked about, took almost two years between the time of Oral Argument and when that decision was rendered. Hopefully its less than that. Dasha, what are we expecting to hear from trump in the Next Hour . Its a great question. The campaign has been a little bit cagey about the focus of this press conference. We have heard that hell be talking about court. Weve heard hell be talking about the issues on the democratic side of the aisle. I know a lot of us here are curious to ask about some of the Policy Proposals hes made, whether on ivf, economic proposals he laid out yesterday here in New York and so much more thats likely to take Center Stage at the debate next week. Lisa ruben and glenn, thank you. Dasha and David Stay with us. Were just four days away until the first president ial debate. What both candidates are doing to prepare. Plus, a critical Jobs Report just out this morning. What it tells us about the economy. And the teen charged in this weeks deadly School Shooting faces a judge along with his father. We have stunning new details on the investigation. Were back in 90 seconds. Youre watching Jose Diazbalart reports on msnbc. Plans available in your area, you may be eligible to get extra benefits with a Humana Medicare Advantage dualeligible special Needs Plan. 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The suspected gunman in wednesdays deadly shooting at Apalachee High School came facetoface with the families of the victims. Some of the victims Family Members wore sunglasses in the court, one holding a stuffed animal. Others fighting back tears. The 14yearold Suspects Father is in court this morning after he was arrested thursday and charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second Degree Murder and eight counts of cruelty to children. Joining us now nbc News Intelligence Correspondent Tom Winter and David Marcus is back with us. Tom, what happened this morning . Reporter as you would imagine they dealt with the idea of bail and a plea. Its not guilty. On top of that, jose, hes going to be held pending these charges here because theyre quite serious. For colin gray, the father of the 14yearold alleged school shooter, they say theyve arrested him on four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second Degree Murder and eight counts of cruelty children. Those eight counts have to do with the eight students who were injured by gunfire from allegedly this persons son, the 14yearold youre looking at there, from his Court Appearance that happened earlier. Theyre saying he has a Role Or Responsibility behind those eight kids that were shot, but not killed. Put together here were still looking, jose, for some detail as to why specifically and what action occurred that involved the father that allowed them to charge him criminally. I think its important for people to understand the father purchased the weapon as a gift. Were not sure if its the exact weapon used in the School Shooting, but purchased the weapon as a gift for the son. Thats something theyll look at. His responses to investigators in May Of 2023 to the jackson Sheriffs Office. There was a lot of difficulty in the home with the mother being charged in the past in connection with drugs. Theyll look at the totality of everything, what did the father know and what responsibility did he bear for it. As weve seen its more common that we see parents having to face some responsibility for these underage children or teenagers that are involved in these shootings. Well have to see if that precedent continues. We need more information from the Court Documents to get a better understanding as to how they were able to arrive at this charge and basically find a nexus with the law in georgia. A lot to Come In this, no doubt. A lot more details to come out, no doubt. Specific motivation. One thing about the son, apparently the son had interest in prior Mass Shootings, including the parkland, florida, massacre that occurred. He also according to documents we looked at from the Jackson County Sheriffs Office his last name in this online post was russian for lanza. We dont know for sure if he was specifically referring to adam lanza, the person who shot up the Elementary School in newton, connecticut. More details coming out that indicates somebody who is in a serious Mental Health and serious criminal state of mind. Tom, just to go back to that May 2023 meeting that you referred to, do we know what it was that that meeting was about . Reporter The May 2023 meeting, what happened was the fbi received a tip through their national online threat center. They received this tip and the tip is that there are these posts that have been made in the past on discord, the Gaming Platform and social Media Platform associated with it, they reference an unnamed school and unspecified date and photographs of guns and a School Shooting. The fbi looks at whos behind the account and can we get an Ip Address for who is sending it, the home router address. They tracked it down and determined its in georgia. They were able to get a more specific address. They get it through Law Enforcement subpoenas or emergency requests from internet providers. Within 12 hours of that the Jackson County Sheriffs Office is at the house trying to find the family and interview them. The family had moved. The Jackson County Sheriffs Office did track down where the family was and engaged in this interview, spoke with the 14yearold, spoke with the father. Thats how were able to get to the point where we have the information we have about that. They communicated those details to the local school district. At some point he transfers School Districts over the last year and so its unclear whether or not there was any sort of connection made. Its unclear because were talking about a juvenile. The laws are different whether or not the Jackson County Sheriffs Office was able to give a Heads Up to another Sheriffs Office or another community. Theres specific laws that pertain to juveniles and the information derived from investigations into juveniles that can make it difficult for Law Enforcement to share that information. Its all very complicated. I think the Bottom Line is it underscores the challenges with these threats where it appears like somebody might want to do something, but do they actually trip the wire on the law . Thats the challenge for Law Enforcement. We are told and have been told repeatedly this unfortunately in these circumstances. David, lets talk about that. That Trip Wire is very sensitive. Youre talking about juveniles. On the other hand theres the question of what is the legal responsibility and the legal liability of a parent visavis their minor children. What are some of those Trip Wires that you see as being the difference in a case like this . Its hard to charge a parent for the acts of child, as it should be. If were going to have it, this is the prototypical case. Knowing he had issues, buying him the ar15. If you have a party at your house with Teenage Kids who arent of age, they drink and drive and kill someone, the parent is responsible for that civilly and criminally. Were seeing more and more of these Gun Cases where theyre charging parents. That should happen where the parent knows of the issue, where the parent is involved and contributes to it as it appears to be the case here. Im not in favor of charging more people with more crimes. This seems to be a case where its appropriate. The issue of these eight charges of cruelty on children, is that kind of an unusual one . Its unusual. You dont typically see this. If the facts come out as were hearing they are, where the dad was put on notice and didnt take steps to stop it and he contributed with the purchase of a gun, hes in trouble, as he should be. Tom, the investigation, where does it go from here . Reporter just an update. Our Miami Bureau sent me the Court Documents as it pertains to colin gray, the father. The reason theyre charging him with second Degree Murder is because he had knowledge that the 14yearold was a threat to himself and others, that he purchased the Weapon Irrespective of his knowledge of those threats to others. Basically what prosecutors in georgia are telling us through these Court Documents is that the dad knew this kid was a threat. Even though he knew this kid was a threat he still purchased this firearm as a gift for his son. Thats the nexus theyre drawing there in making the second Degree Murder charges here. Thats why they allege he committed these crimes. As far as where the investigation goes, they were able to obtain a fair amount of information. I alluded to it earlier from the suspects bedroom, writings and other things particularly in that parkland, florida, shooting, but Mass Shootings in general. Thats something well see in any sort of proceedings going forward. Now thats hes charged as an adult, its normally information we wouldnt see because hes 14 years old. But because hes being charged as an adult, presumably well learn more about the motivations here. Thats a little bit of an insight into the mind of a 14yearold and we have the insight into the minds of prosecutors in making these charges against the father. David, as a law professor, not so much as an attorney, but are there does there need to be a change in the laws when youre talking about the little bit of information that is allowed to be shared with, for example, Law Authorities because its a juvenile . In other words, that seems like an area that is particularly gray in many ways. Right. When youre talking about guns, of course, the answer is yes, the laws need to change to make the information more available to folks. It shouldnt matter that its a 14yearold Kid when were talking about a deadly weapon as we have in this case. Im not sure what the concern is with sharing that information, with sharing the online threats, even if its a 14yearold. I understand other issues. Were sharing threats, access to firearms, those kinds of things, whether hes 14, 8 or 18, it shouldnt matter. Thank you both so much. Up next, two months before the election. Is the Jobs Market finally starting to cool . Well break down the report. Plus, why Hunter Biden says he decided to plead guilty to federal Tax Charges just before his trial was set to begin. Youre watching Jose Diazbalart reports on msnbc. A. You might wonder, john legend, how do you keep your voice sounding so. Legendary . Honey [bees buzzing] and how do i keep my protection against covid19 up to date . 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Thats 19,000 less than wall streets expectations. The Unemployment Rate ticked down by. 1 , 4. 2 . President biden releasing a statement reading, quote, with inflation back down to close to normal levels, it is important to focus on sustaining the historic gains we have made for american workers. Joins us now is dominic chu. The economy is everyones top election concern. What do we take away from this report . Reporter probably that the economy is not in a recession, but showing signs of a Slow Down, jose. Thats not necessarily a bad thing considering a Slow Down in growth without a recession is what the federal Reserves Goal is. The american economy added a lower than expected number of jobs, that 142,000 mark. Its still job growth. Were not losing jobs at this time. At the same time the months of june and july saw their job gains revised notably lower, by a total of around 86,000 lower than previously reported. Again, job growth, but not as much as expected. There were signs of the Wave Side of things that We Saw gains there as well. Understandably getting a lot of attention these days in the context of emergence from one of the worse inflationary periods in the last four decades. Are americans making enough money . Wages grew by. 042 since august. What this means is that, yes, things are slowing down, but for now not heading into a deeper, darker recession. Dom, what about this and the impact on Interest Rates, the anticipated possible lowering of Interest Rates . Reporter jose, the expectation is pretty much a certainty that the fed is going to lower rates at the next meeting which concludes september 18th. The future markets are pricing in a 100 chance of an interest Rate Cut. The only Issue And Question is by how much at this point. Data from Futures Exchange shows the odds of a Quarter Percentage Point Rate Cut is 63 . That means a 37 chance of a full Half Percentage Point cut. The issue facing the fed is not necessarily about whether or not to cut. It is going to cut. Thats what the markets expect. Its by how much. What do you need to do to take a deep recession off the table while at the same time, jose, not stoking that decades high inflation again . Its not an easy question to answer for the fed, but one they face in about a week and a half time. Dominic chu, thank you. Up next, former President Trump due to speak soon at Trump Tower after spending the morning in court. Plus, our Steve Kornacki is here about how Tens Of Thousands of people will start voting for president soon. Youre watching Jose Diazbalart reports on msnbc. E diazbalart reports on msnbc. its faster, bro its faster, bro its mom to you. Astepro starts working in 30 minutes. Astepro and go i was stuck. Unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. I needed more from my antidepressant. Vraylar helped give it a lift. 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We will be monitoring what he has to say and bring you any developments on that front. Were now 60 days out from Election Day. Today mailin ballots will begin going out in the critical state of North Carolina. Theres been a legal Back And Forth at former president ial Candidate Robert f. Kennedy jr. Asked a judge to remove his name off the ballot and it was rejected. Vice president harris is in Pennsylvania Today preparing for next weeks crucial debate against trump, just four days away. Her campaign announcing it raised a recordbreaking 361 Million in august. Its the largest haul of the 2024 cycle. As we mentioned earlier, were keeping a close eye on that Trump Tower statement that the former president is making before heading to the key state of North Carolina. Joining us now is national political correspondent Steve Kornacki live at the big board. What does the rest of the Election Calendar Look like . As you say we have the 60date Countdown until the election. It starts right now in North Carolina. As you say, today those mailin ballots are going out in North Carolina and you get a look here at the calendar for the month of september, some other key days here. Pennsylvania, wisconsin, virginia, michigan, battleground, potential battleground states, where in some form the voting is going to begin this month. Take a closer look here at North Carolina where the action is starting today. Were talking about the Mail Vote here, the absentee ballots. To give you a sense of the size in the 2022 midterm election, the statewide election in North Carolina, 5 of all ballots were cast by mail. In 2020 in The Biden Trump Race that number was 18 . 2020 was the covid year. States with Mailin Voting in 2020, there was large numbers there in terms of voters deciding to vote that way. Thats one of the questions here in 2024. We saw 18 , 5 , what will it land at this year . We saw this in North Carolina and most states with Mailin Voting, the vote by mail has become overwhelmingly democratic. Donald trump had his issues with Mailin Voting in 2020. Communicated that to his supporters. A lot of them took the message and didnt vote that way. Hence the democrats had this big margin there. The republicans who are making an effort to bank votes through Mailin Voting in states like North Carolina, are they going to be able to eat into that margin . Are they going to be able to produce new votes they wouldnt get on Election Day . Thats the beginning there in North Carolina. 42 voted on Election Day. The majority of votes cast early in person in North Carolina, that wont begin until the middle of october. Its a small chunk of the votes here, but its votes that are being cast starting today. Take a quick look at pennsylvania, september 16th, Mailin Voting to begin there. Pennsylvania theres really no early in person voting. Its either by mail or on Election Day. 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He has an advantage with the mics being off now. They have to try to control him. Her mission is to make sure she can demonstrate the contrast of having stability and her hand firmly on the tiller to move us forward. Congresswoman, two days ago there was another high School Shooting, two students killed, two teachers killed. And many injured. Heres how j. D. Vance addressed this issue. Take a listen. I dont like this is a fact of life. If youre if you are a psycho and you want to make headlines, you realize our schools are soft targets. Weve got to bolster security so if a psycho wants to walk through the front door and kill a bunch of children theyre not able to. Whats your response to that . Jose, a fact of life in High School is acne and your first crush, not that you might get shot up by a Mass Shooter who is your age and has easy access to bring an ar15 to school and shoot up the school. To have a candidate for Vice President like j. D. Vance suggest that we should just accept that a Person Hell Bent on engaging in a Mass Shooting is just a fact of life that hes going to be able to, is crystal clear how Trump And Vance are and the maga extremists are way off base. We have to make sure people dont have ability to get access to weapons of wars like ar15s. The countries that dont have access to all kinds of guns, unlike the united states, you know what the difference is . They dont have these Mass Shootings and we do. We need to harden targets and keep kids safe and the public safe in various places where shootings take place. But the key thing here, like the bipartisan safer communities act that the Biden Harris Administration got into law is to make sure we can tighten our access to guns to keep people who shouldnt have them from getting them. They dont have those laws in georgia, which is why it was easier for this kid to get a gun. Makes it easier than his father, im who he was arrested, actually gave him a give of a gun. Were coming up on the Oneyear Mark of the October 7th massacre is israel. More than 1,200 men, women and children lost their lives there. Still more than 100 hostages being held by hamas in gaza. No Ceasefire Deal. Doesnt seem like theres any possibility related to a Ceasefire Deal being effective. What needs to happen there, congresswoman . The negotiations being quarterbacked by the Biden Harris Administration are critical. Netanyahu and the Hamas Leadership need to reach an agreement. I expect theres going to be a final proposal to bring this to a conclusion and get the hostages home. The tragedy of losing, the murder of the six hostages and that hamas threatens to kill that idf might be coming to rescue shows where the blame lies here. We have to make sure the Terrorist Threat that israel faces every day ends, that the hostages are brought home and that gaza and the palestinians who live there can be freed from hamas as more dangerous by the day. What do you think there was a news conference. One of the things they need is more Solidarity And Assistance from the united states. You have called for things. What needs to happen there . The Bidenharris Administration announced a few days ago that they are preparing sanctions that would really be increased. The legislation i sponsored would adopt to make sure we can target individuals in the maduro regime with sanctions that ratchet the pressure up. We need more latin american countries to engage with us on that. Going it alone isnt going to work. Speaker Mike Johnson has bipartisan bills ready to go. A resolution thats bipartisan that would declare from the House Of Representatives that gonzales won the election to put pressure on maduro transitioning to a democracy. Those bills need to be brought to the floor. They arent on the docket. We need to ratchet pressure up to get those bills on the floor so we ensure we rally and lead the world in pressuring maduro to acknowledge he lost. He very clearly lost this election. We need to make sure we can get to a process where gonzales is able to take office in january. Its a pleasure. Thank you so much. Up next, what we are learning about why Hunter Biden changed his Plea Moments Before His Second Criminal Trial was set to begin. I got my bleep together. I got my bleep together. The whole class knows i got my bleep together. Just say it you can get your shots together too, your Covid19 Shot and your flu shot, at the same visit, as recommended by the cdc. I got my shots together, dude ask your Healthcare Provider about getting this Seasons Covid19 Shot when getting your flu shot, if youre due for both. Are you getting your bleep together . Youll find them in cities, towns and suburbs all across america. 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What Tractor Supply Customers Experience is personalized service. Made possible by tmobile for business. With tmobiles reliable 5g business internet. Employees get the information they need instantly. This is how business goes further with tmobile for business. So this is pickleball . Pickle ah, these guys are intense. With E Trade from morgan stanley, were ready for whatever gets served up. Dude, you gotta work on your trash talk. Id rather work on saving for retirement. Or college, since you like to get schooled. Thats a pretty good burn, right . 56 past the hour. We continue to monitor former President Donald Trump who continues to give remarks on jean carroll. Hunter biden pleaded guilty to Tax Charges, avoiding a damaging trial. In a statement, Hunter Biden said in part the president s son indicted on three felony and six misdemeanor accounts for failing to pay 1. 4 million in taxes. Joining us now is ryan nobles. Good morning. What happens now . Reporter now we await sentencing. Its important to keep in Mind Hunter is facing sentencing on two federal charges. Of course, there was the Gun Trial that took place over the summer in which he was convicted on all counts. Now these Tax Charges that he has decided to avoid a trial and plead guilty to. His sentencing in this case is scheduled for december. Theres a possibility that Hunter Biden could face up to 17 years in prison on all these different counts. Its unlikely that he will spend that much time in prison. The fact that he is a firsttime offender, a nonviolent case and he has been willing to plea should mean the judge will have discretion over how long he could spend in prison. There is a very real possibility that its going to be difficult for Hunter Biden to avoid any time at all behind bars. Theres a lot riding on this for him when he is facing that Sentencing Date in december. Have we heard anything from the White House, anything about the president so far has been clear, no pardons. Reporter you are. He answered those questions when he was still a candidate for president. The president himself has not answered a question whether he would pardon his son now that he is no longer running. The White House did reiterate his stance on this position has not changed. But you have to wonder as we get closer to The End of his term, The End of december, if maybe his mood changes, especially when he sees how long his son may face time behind bars. Keep in mind, theres nothing that prevents Joe Biden from pardoning his son. He has the right to do that as president of the united states. He now has the added situation here where there are no political consequences for him. He is not running for reelection, will never run for office again. He is facing a situation where he has a son who he is very concerned about his longterm sobriety and the danger if he enters into a Prison Situation and the risk that that could come to keeping that sobriety. We have to take the president at his word. He said he will not pardon his son. The only question is, does that change once he is faced with the reality his son may be going to prison . Ryan nobles, thank you very much. Appreciate it. That wraps up the hour for me. Im Jose Diazbalart. You can reach me on social media. You can watch clips from our show at youtube. Thank you so much for the privilege of your time. Andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. Right now on Andrea Mitchell reports, defendant Donald Trump speaking at Trump Tower after trying to delay or reduce the 5 Million he has been ordered to pay e. Jean carroll for defamation. Separately in his hush money case, which he was convicted in may, the former president is asking that judge to delay his sentencing until after the election. On the campaign trail, mr. Trump heads to North Carolina later today. Vice president harris remains in pittsburgh, Holding Mock Debates before tuesdays big faceoff in philadelphia. 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