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Major stories this morning. Former President Trump expected back in court in new york city. His legal team trying to throw out the first decision in the e. Jean Carroll Defamation trial, which found him liable for Sexual Abuse and defamation. Well dig into his arguments his lawyers are making in this case. In just the last hour the georgia high School Student accused of killing four people appeared before a judge for the first time. Just before his father was in the same courtroom also facing charges in the case, including second Degree Murder. Its 10 00 eastern, 7 00 a. M. Pacific. Thanks for joining us. Im Ana Cabrera in new york city. Lets get right to the Breaking News. Donald trump expected here in manhattan in this courthouse in the heat of the fall campaign rush. He is off the trail this morning to fight the vergt that found him liable of sexual Abuse And Slander involving e. Jean carroll. In that May 2023 decision, a jury ordered the former president to pay carroll 5 Million. Nbc News Correspondent Rehema ellis outside the courthouse. Also Dasha Burns and msnbc legal analyst and former District Attorney Katherine christian and former Defense Attorney jeremy saland. Rehema, bring us up to speed. Reporter good morning. I should tell you we understand the former president , the Gop Nominee for president , arrived at the courthouse about 30 minutes ago. Also at the courthouse is author e. Jean carroll who is going to be here to hear these arguments. This is in reference to his attorneys coming before a panel of three judges in the Appellate Court here in manhattan arguing that this case against him should be overturned or at least as you point out that the 5 Million judgment should be reduced or dismissed completely. Theyre arguing that some of the evidence, including the transcript from the Access Hollywood Tape should not have been admitted to trial and other evidence not allowed should have been allowed. Interestingly enough that Donald Trump did not attend that first trial back in 2023, but he is here today. There are reports that he regretted he didnt attend the first trial and went to the second one. This is really important for him because what happens in this particular case with the Appellate Judge if they decide to throw out this case altogether it could have an impact on the Second Civil Liable Trial against Donald Trump in which he did attend and that jury awarded e. Jean carroll 83 Million in terms of saying that Donald Trump had continued to slander her in reference to this case. Again, its an Appellate Court of three judges that are going to hear these arguments today. We do not, however, expect theyll present a judgment today. Thats something well have to wait to hear about. Thank you for bringing us the latest, stay close. Lets listen to some of the arguments. John sauer is up first. As we pointed out, none of those were remotely admissible under rule 13 and 14. As to the 404b Argument they argue it was evidence of modisoprendi here. Sorry, your honor. Go ahead. You do agree that congress has passed rule 413, 414 to allow evidence that would be excluded from other cases, but to permit its consideration by a jury in certain cases here, is that right . Only if it meets the criteria set forth in this case. Take the leads testimony, the 1979 story about the airplane. Again, it never happened. Assume that the jury were to accept the argument, it has to meet that criteria. 413 has to be a crime under state or federal law. They never identified any statute that this conduct supposedly violated except for a statute enacted 15 years ago. What about federal rule of evidence d5, 5 being an attempt, 2 Being Contact without consent between any part of the Defendants Body and another persons genitals . If the defendant, assuming its true put his hands up her skirt, why doesnt that qualify . Why wouldnt that be an attempt to engage in that conduct . The case on attempt is very strong for us. Decisively it rejects that. I point to the Haywood Case, the Rutgers Case in front of the supreme court. If you look at the facts of Haywood Case if you look at this case, is it erroneous for judge kaplan to say, yeah, this is at a minimum arguable and well let the jury decide. The proper standard when it comes to a legal its erroneous. You compare it to the Haywood Case and rodgers case, even if it was alleged, were not close to fact patterns that this court has rejected. I want to take a step back. My understanding from both of the papers is that our court has not yet ruled on what is a standard of admissibility under rule 414, both the cite to third circuit law, is that correct . Is it your view this is a question of first impression . On the standard of admissibility for rule 413, it depends on the issues we raised. Some are addressed in other circuits, some are not. This is first impression for the Second Circuit. I have Case Law from other circuits. Is there anything about the third circuits understanding that you would have us not that i can think of. There are multiple third Circuit Cases. There are multiple third Circuit Cases citing the brief. The standard of admissibility is i want to make sure the standard that you believe we should be dealing with is a reasonable jury could find by the preponderance of evidence . Thats correct. Thats the one you believe we need to adopt in order to move forward . We have that disputed in this case is the way i would frame it. Again, that standard, however, in this situation were dealing with Enter Pre tv questions. Those for example are pure questions of law. Thats not a situation where a reasonable jury can determine whether something legally constitutes an attempt for example. Take another example, if you look at the were having some audio difficulties. Obviously this happening in real time in federal Court Wear they dont allow cameras. They were providing this Audio Feed for us. Were hearing from John Sauer the Trump Attorney offering his arguments for appealing the decision in the e. Jean Carroll Defamation trial. Remember, there were two. This is specifically for the first trial where a jury awarded e. Jean carroll 5 Million saying trump was libel for defamation and Sexual Abuse. Let me bring in the panel to discuss what we heard and what this could look like in terms of the arguments that were hearing from trumps team that the judges will be considering and also the arguments that were expecting from e. Jean carrolls attorney. Dasha burns is with us. Let me turn to you dasha. We heard the Trump Motorcade appear. Trump is expected to be there this morning. Then hes going to be addressing a Police Organization in North Carolina this evening. Thats an interesting campaign split screen. Were just 60 days out. Exactly. Look, this is a voluntary appearance from former President Trump. He didnt attend the first e. Jean Carroll Case. He did attend the second one. He made it a point to be there. This is about optics. This is about defiance. This is about him trying to dispel the picture that his Opponent Vice President Kamala Harris is trying to paint of the prosecutor versus the felon, versus the Sexual Abuser. Hes trying to show up and own his appearance in court. Youre right, later hes talking to the Fraternal Order Of Police later. Hes using that to try to address policy issues. Thats what his campaign wants him to do. As We Saw Yesterday and seen time and time again, even with the right back drop, whether the border or a Police Station or a Grocery Table full of groceries, he tends to get off track. This split screen, court and campaigning, this is kind of quintessential trump in this election cycle. Dasha, stay close. Katherine, we were listening to the arguments as they get under way. What we know of this argument John Sauer is making, hes arguing two witness testimonies that were part of the trial, an accuser of trump, wasnt directly involved in this case, jessica leads who said she was assaulted by trump 20 years before the e. Jean Carroll Incident took place. Then another accuser who said she too was assaulted by trump in a similar fashion at maralago. She was a journalist and showed up to do an interview and said he attacked her. They testified at the trial. Hes saying they shouldnt have been allowed to testify. John sauer suggesting the Access Hollywood Tape shouldnt have been admissible. How strong is their argument . Its not strong because of the Federal Rules of evidence that are allowed in a case when youre being sued for Sexual Assault. The plaintiff can bring in other Sexual Assault acts that are similar. Hes saying it was too prejudicial because theyre saying trump did this before, therefore he did it again, which is normally improper in criminal cases. This federal rule of evidence allows it if its browse in to show he has a particular characteristic. What is a particular characteristic . Grabbing women by the you know what. Thats the Access Hollywood Tape, thats miss leads, thats miss carroll. Thats why the judge allowed it because of a very similar accusation that she accused him of and these women are saying basically he did the exact same thing to me. Theyre showing that this was his particular characteristic of Donald Trump and thats the Federal Rules of evidence that allowed that. Much more to discuss on this issue. We have the Audio Feedback and now e. Jean carrolls lawyer Roberta Kaplan is before the judges. Lets listen in. She was crazy and made the whole thing up. After nearly two trials, the jury found in miss carrolls favor. We called 11 witnesses. They included miss carroll who testified for nearly three days straight, most of which was crossexamination. She said question, when youre being sexually assaulted and raped because youre not a screamer, you wouldnt scream . Im sorry. I have want to make sure were going back to the evidentiary issues. Weve been asked to consider three questions of first impression. One was one thing you mentioned about whether or not 415d must have been a crime at the time the crime was committed. The jurisdictional questions about whether or not 109 has been incorporated by d1. Opposing counsel cites a judicial recommendation that congress didnt adopt that would have added clarifying language to Chapter One of nine that made it clear it was separate. What do you make of that . I make, your honor, congress rejected that. The violence against womens act, one of the few evidentiary rules passed by congress. This didnt come from a rules congress. This game from Bob Dole and part of the violence against women act. Let me be clear about what judge kaplan held here. Clarification would be helpful. If judge kaplan held trumps conduct was a federal crime because it violates 49 usc 49506 thanks for bearing with us with that Audio Difficulty again. Live television here as we have this live feed from the courtroom. Were listening in to this Appeal Panel and the arguments before the panel here involving the e. Jean Carroll Defamation case and the verdict that ultimately was against trump saying he owed e. Jean carroll 5 Million. Jeremy, as you listen into these arguments it gets into the legal weeds for an average viewer, but how do you see it in terms of laying out what were hearing today . What trumps counsel is trying to do is tie it back to what we saw with harvey weinstein. Theres a propensity here. If you allow it in, all evidence against the accused is prejudicial, but theres a weighing and balancing. The argument is it shouldnt have come in, but if it did come in, there should have been instruction. You cant conflate what happened in criminal court with a federal case. As katherine said and as was pointed out here as you look at the Federal Rules, youre allowed to introduce that evidence that finding claims of Sexual Assault that relate to this case, not a propensity, but you can use mo discuss op ran die. It likely wont hold the Water Trump wants it to hold. You mention harvey weinsteins case. A lot of people are thinking about that. His case was recently overturned, that verdict in that case. Was it a difference of criminal versus civil . Is that an important distinction here . Absolutely. Theres two big distinctions, one is the state court, one is Federal Court. One is criminal and one is civil. Federal rules allow this specifically. Were not in civil court. We have to play in the playground were in and thats Federal Court. Carrolls team argues trump engaged in a pattern of lunging at a woman in a semi public place, touching her without consent and declaring the accuser was too unattractive for him to have assaulted her. Her lawyers argue the verdict should stand. Could there be an outcome here where the Appellate Court says there is some evidence that was too prejudicial, but were not going to throw out the verdict . That could be. If you think about the Access Hollywood Tape where he said when youre a star you can grab the women by you know what. Thats what he was found liable of doing to miss carroll. Theres that evidence of liability. Im using liability. This is civil, not criminal. Criminal its different because a person will lose their liberty. The courts are very different. Civil is a loss of money, which is a big deal, but not the loss of liberty. Theres specific rules and evidence in the Federal Court that allows this evidence. As long as its not too prejudicial and judge kaplan determined it wasnt prejudicial. Jeremy, youre a Defense Attorney. Do you see any strong argument to be made for trump . You have to make this argument. Whether its going to be successful or not strong is a relative term. You have to go with what you have. If you precluded or didnt allow these women to come in about these old stories of allegation, then it could have turned the tide. If i was allowed to as the defendant to crossexamine fully e. Jean carroll this would not have happened. This is reversible error. People should understand that doesnt mean the Appeal Court says you win, case is over. It sends it back down to the Trial Court to start this all over. You have to go with what you have. Thats the best he has right now which is propensity on the heels of weinstein. Theres people that will support trump no matter what. Guys, stay close. Were keeping our eyes inside that courthouse. We have our ears too, that Audio Feed as well. Well bring you more updates on trumps appeal. 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This morning in georgia the high School Student accused of killing two of his fellow classmates and two teachers appeared in court for the first time. The judge warning the 14yearold Defendant he could face life in prison for his crimes. Also in court this morning, his father. Hes also facing charges including second Degree Murder after officials say he gave his son an ar15 style rifle, even after police interviewed them about online threats about a school shooting. Joining us now is priya sridhar. Tell us whats happening. Reporter 14yearold Colt gray facing four Felony Murder charges. He was very soft spoken in the courtroom. He was shackled. He said yes, sir to all the judges basic questions as to whether or not he understand what charges he faced. The judge actually dismissed him and called him to come back in to clarify one point. That was that despite the fact hes being tried as an adult he will not face the Death Penalty which could have been on the table here in the State Of Georgia. Instead he faces Life Imprisonment with or without parole. Moments later his Father 54yearold Colin gray appeared in the same courtroom in a black and white jumpsuit. He was also shackled. He was rocking back and forth. Hes facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second Degree Murder and eight counts of cruelty to children. Those charges could have a 180year sentence if hes convicted on all of those counts. He appeared to be very nervous, rocking back and forth as the judge spoke. There were also several people inside that courtroom. Were not familiar if they were Family Members of the victims. Yesterday when we got that briefing late last night from the Georgia Bureau of investigations, the father Colin Gray was also going to be charged in this case, it reminded us a lot of the Crumbley Trial that happened earlier this year where the two parents in that trial were sentenced for ten years for their son Ethan Crumbleys Role in a Mass Shooting at a michigan school where four students were dead. We asked the Gbi Director has anything happened like this in the State Of Georgia where a parent has been held accountable for the actions of their child. He said he wasnt aware of this. This is unprecedented in the State Of Georgia. What more can you tell us about what weve learned about how this teenager apparently got his hands on the Weapon And Role his father played . Reporter one thing thats infuriating parents here in wander, georgia, is the news that Colt Gray had been on the radar of federal Law Enforcement. At the fbi in May Of 2023 when colt was 13 years old received several Anonymous Tips that colt was planning some sort of Mass Shooting at a school. At that point the fbi dispatched deputies from the Jackson County Sheriffs Department to interview colt and his father colin. At the time colin said that colt did have access to hunting rifles, but was never with them unsupervised. Now two senior Law Enforcement officials are telling Nbc News the father gave colt an Arstyle Weapon as a gift after that interview with Law Enforcement. Of course, thats the same type of weapon that authorities are describing that was used in the Mass Shooting here at apalachee high school. Priya sridhar, thank you very much. Coming up on Ana Cabrera reports, with the economy on the Campaign Trial Donald Trump is serving up Word Salad on how he would address Child Care costs. Plus the Trump Campaign Collision with the courts right now as we get more updates from the former president s appeal of his first e. 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M. Sharp and finishing with just ten minutes for each side. The questions were extraordinarily skeptical of the former president s appeal, specifically whether the evidence he was contesting the admission of at the first of the e. Jean Carroll Trials was, in fact, inappropriately admitted and even if it was, would that have changed the outcome of the case . I want to focus the viewers on the three pieces of evidence that former President Trump is focussed on. They were from two witnesses who alleged they were sexually assaulted by former President Trump. Jessica leads and Natasha Stoynof and then, of course, the Access Hollywood Tape which was played at the first carroll trial. Robby kaplan, e. Jean carrolls lawyer said you could lose those testimonies from the case and it would have been harmless error. Why . Because the Access Hollywood Tape where former President Trump said i just go up to them, i touch them, i grab them by the. Its a confession as him admitting it and when she asked him about it, he doubled down on it. I understand, lisa, Roberta Kaplan had strong words about trump being there today, but not at the trial . Reporter she did. You know, former President Trump attended the second of the Carroll Trials, but never set forth in the courtroom during the first and longer trial. She noted for the three judges on the panel that former President Trump was given every opportunity to put on a case in his own defense. Not only did he not show up in his own defense and was given until 5 00 p. M. The Sunday Night before to decide whether he was going to testify on that following monday, but his side didnt put on any evidence at all. And she said she called 11 witnesses, including two people that e. Jean carroll told about the assault in real time, both of whom testified at the earlier e. Jean carroll trial. Lisa, thank you for bringing us all that insight into the courtroom. Katherine, your reaction to what we learned happened during this hearing, a very short hearing it seems, just a little more than 20 minutes . Which also means that the judges didnt have any questions really other than it seems, as lisa said, skeptical questions of trumps lawyers. That was a brilliant argument by Roberta Kaplan. Take the Access Hollywood Tape where he says grab them by the whatever. Take the deposition which was shown to the jury where Donald Trump said that. I think at one point he looked at Roberta Kaplan and said, by the way, youre not my type either. The jury heard that out of his own mouth. He didnt testify, but kind of did through the Access Hollywood Tape and the deposition. If you take the two women out, the People Magazine Reporter and the woman assaulted on the airplane and just look at that and all the evidence and those two witnesses that corroborated that e. Jean carroll told them, prompt outcry witnesses, thats overwhelming evidence of liability. It wasnt prejudicial to have the testimony from the other women. Well see what the Second Circuit believes. I think theyll up hold this verdict, but well find out. We wont find out today. Theyll write a decision and we should find out in a few months. Jeremy, your thoughts . Im in complete agreement with katherine. I think shes spot on in what she says. While the jury is instructed not to consider whether or not Donald Trump testifies or is there or not in their decision making, he does play the part very well of the fool to that jury, to this current set of judges that he didnt have the time or inclination to put forth a defense. He didnt have the time or inclination to show up. Now hes making these arguments. Some of that was preserved and he made those arguments back at the time. Lets not conflate this with harvey weinstein. Lets look at the rules of federal evidence and look at the court were in, which is Federal Court, and understand maybe the judge could have done things a little differently. You look at the four corners of this its not unduly prejudice. This doesnt make this beyond harmless error. Thank you for being here. Up next, how Kamala Harris is preparing for a Make Or Break Debate Showdown with Donald Trump in pennsylvania. While this will be a tough fight to the finish, to the election day outcome, the battle in that battleground specifically could be the toughest fight of all. That occurs overnight. I started noticing subtle lapses in memory. I want people to know that prevagen has worked for me. Its helped my memory. Its helped my cognitive qualities. Give it a try. I want it to help you just like it has helped me. Prevagen. At stores everywhere without a prescription. The Ups Store is more than just a shipping store. Were the Pack It, ship it, guarantee it store. 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Theyre also putting in more facetime in Battleground States. After his Courtroom Detour in new york, trump will be in North Carolina while harris is hunkered down in pittsburgh doing her final Debate Prep. Nbc news Kelly Odonnell is on the trail in pittsburgh. What do we know about Kamala Harris strategy . Reporter the Vice President is here in pittsburgh putting her flag in the ground of a Battleground State while she and her team are preparing on tuesday. The debate will be in philadelphia. Shes surrounded by a Core Group of senior advisers and longtime allies and the team thats helping her to prepare. Theyre able to work through scenarios, looking at issues, looking at how she would respond and articulate certain positions based off her own past experiences and looking and studying what Donald Trump has done in the past. They like to frame this as being an underdog status, something im told the Vice President really bubbled up on her own, describing her campaign in that way and putting it in the context of Donald Trump has won the presidency in 2016. She, of course, was part of the team that won the Presidency And Vice presidency in 2020. This is her first time at the top of the ticket. Being a sitting Vice President is different than being an incumbent president. Thats part of the underdog strategy. They also believe its very possible that in the way they carry and go back and forth and spar with each other on tuesday night, that one strategy is for her to introduce herself, to make sure she gets her biographical information into her remarks so that the public at home can get to know her and to talk about some of her credentialbased facts for americans who dont know the Elective Offices shes held, the work shes done. Then in some ways to get under the skin of Donald Trump. Studying his past campaigns, knowing his public personality, trying to get under his skin and perhaps well see if that provokes him to go off script or to say something derogatory about her that might reveal the sort of brash, bold and say Anything Kind of Donald Trump who has been on the national scene for a number of years now. Thats part of how theyre approaching this, doing the homework, spending the time. Ana . Kelly odonnell, thanks for the latest. Joining us now former republican congressman Carlos Carbello and lindy lee. Lindy, let me start with you, the keystone state, pennsylvania, its the only frontline Battleground State where a woman has never won a race for president , governor or senator, nor has a woman ever been appointed to such a position. Youre in pennsylvania. Does harris have a tougher climb there do you think . Ana, thank you so much for having me. Im a life long pennsylvanian and the energy here is so infectious. I havent seen this level of excitement since i was a kid supporting senator obama. Todays Fundraising Numbers is a testament to that. Many of those donors are from pennsylvania. She raised 361 million, which is totally unprecedented for any campaign. 3 Million donors donated. Thats americans and many pennsylvanians like myself putting their money where their mouth is. Guess what . Half of that 3 Million were firsttime donors. Shes galvanized the Blue Wall in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania, the entire ball game. She has 404 Million cash on hand which is so much more than the Trump Campaign which is fueled by vengeance and rage. Her message of joy and optimism is resonating with folks. Im in the city of philadelphia. This message is galvanizing young voters, the millennials and genzers that she desperately needs. I know you have connections to her campaign directly. Can you give us any insight into her Debate Prep there and her mindset going into this faceoff with trump on tuesday . Absolutely. My friend Sheila Nix is part of the Debate Prep. Theyre focusing on the facts and figures and trying to get under trumps skin. We see hes been insisting time and time again that hes not weird, i which think is the lady protesting too much. Showing the american people shes a woman, but shes formidable and shes not going to be taunted by this bully because frankly he is. Weve seen him do that which hillary clinton. Weve seen him resort to sexist and misogynistic attacks. During the Cnn Interview she refused to indulge his misogyny and chose to focus on the issues. Well see her do that tuesday. Shell pivot back and show the american people shes focussed on issues while hes focussed on petty disputes. Congressman, polls have consistently shown the economy is a top issue for voters, if not the top issue. Yesterday trump was asked about his economic policies. He didnt answer to specifics. Here was his response to how he would lower Child Care costs. Its a very important issue but when you talk about the numbers im talking about that because Child Care is Child Care. Its you know, its something you have to have. In this country you have to have it. When you talk about those numbers compared to what im talking about taxing foreign nations at levels theyre not used to, but theyll get used to it quickly. Its not going to stop them from doing business with us. Theyll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers, including Child Care. As much as Child Care is talked about as being expensive, its not expensive compared to the numbers well be taking in. Congressman, are republicans concerned about that version of trump showing up to the debate . Ana, having worked on a Tax Reform during the trump presidency, i can confirm President Trump has never been too interested in Policy Details and he doesnt take the time to do the homework and learn about how policy works. However, i do think the pressure is mostly on Vice President harris for this debate. Why . Because the american people know Donald Trump. For better or worse they know him. We know about half the country has embraced him and his style, his bombastic style and the other half has rejected it. The middle will decide, those few undecided voters. Thats where Donald Trump has to do a lot of work. He doesnt have to prove himself. In many ways this is similar to the predebate environment we were in last time when President Biden was the one who needed to prove that he had the mental fitness to continue serving as president. He failed that test. I think, ana, in this debate Vice President harris has to prove to the country, at least to undecided voters, that she has what it takes to be president of the united states, that she can answer tough questions in an adversarial environment, that she can go Toe To toe with Donald Trump. But, congressman, even if Donald Trump doesnt have to prove himself, because people know who he is and know what hes done as president in the past, could he hurt himself with this debate, especially what we just heard, answers like that when it comes to Pocket Book issues for americans . Well, i think the way he can hurt himself the most in this debate, ana, is by responding to some of his worse instincts which are to insult people, to degrade people, to try to diminish Vice President harris the way he has done in a way thats been detrimental to his campaign in the last few weeks. That is the biggest risk for him to go off script and thats exactly why the Harris Campaign is more than telegraphing, theyre stating, theyre going to try to get under Donald Trumps skin. They want to force him to react and say something nasty thats going to turn off Swing Voters who will decide who wins this race. Good to have you both join us today. Thank you very much for making time for us. For tuesday, stay with msnbc all day as we look ahead to Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trumps first president ial debate hosted by abc news. We will have special coverage for you right here. Rachel maddow and team will lead special Coverage And Analysis starting at 7 00 p. M. Eastern here on msnbc. Up next, a new Jobs Report out this morning. What it says about the health of our economy and what it could signal for your finances. More Ana Cabrera reports right after a quick break. Rely Makingd And Command the road as well as what lies ahead . How we get there matters. 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Employers added 142,000 jobs in august with the Unemployment Rate ticking down to 4. 2 . Lets get over to Brian Cheung with more on this. Break down the numbers for us. What we got from this Jobs Report is a clear picture on the fact that this Jobs Market is slowing in america. 142,000 jobs added in the month of august. That was below what economists expected. They were expected closer to 161,000 jobs. That means we have 82,000 fewer jobs than we originally thought. One good thing we did get is that the Unemployment Rate did tick down to 4. 2 . Yes, that is a noticeable tickdown from what we saw in the month of july. 4. 2 unemployment. Thats above the sub 3. 5 figures weve been seeing in the beginning of last year. Where did we see the Job Gains . Leisure and hospitality, bars and restaurants, Construction Jobs adding 34,000 jobs. Manufacturing losing 24,000 jobs in the month as well as information, White Collar jobs, tech jobs. 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