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Georgia laying the groundwork not to certify the election. It is clear that they are taking steps to undermine the election and if those fail they are going to claim the election was rigged. Like they did in 2020, and the last time this happened we had an insurrection at the capital, so we have to take it very seriously. And we will. Great to have you on. You are a wealth of knowledge. Thanks for your time tonight. That is our show for tonight. It is time for the last word. Good evening, lawrence. Good evening. You missed what Donald Trump said about his wife. He referred to her as a great First Lady who people love. He did not say that he loves her. He did not say that she loves him. Oh man. The passive one when you are describing the love of your life. The third love of his life that he actually married. I dont know how many loves of his life he had during those marriages. Many people love her. A great First Lady who people love. Happy anniversary. You are loved by people. There you have it. Trumps president Ial Campaign has a very bad day coming. The West Today any president Ial Campaign has ever had, and that is scheduled for september 26. The harris for President Campaign is now 46 days old and every one of those days has been a bad day for Donald Trump. The worst Campaign Day for Donald Trump is coming. On thursday, september 26. He is now scheduled formally to have the worst day in the history of president Ial Campaigning as we know it. The first residential candidate in history to have a federal Prosecutor Outline in detail and in writing including possibly secret material from a Grand Jury describing Donald Trumps federal crimes of the prosecutor says he committed to overthrow the will of the american people in the last president ial election. The judge ruled late today special Prosecutor Smith must file his full argument in writing about why Donald Trump can be charged with federal crimes even though the Supreme Court created a new president ial immunity from criminal charges for some of what Donald Trump did to overthrow the election results. In a one hour 14 Minute Hearing Today in her courtroom the federal judge dealt with a flurry of attempts by trump criminal Defense Lawyers to delay any consideration of evidence in the case of United States Of America Versus Donald Trump until next year. No doubt in the hope Donald Trump will then be in a position to order a new Attorney General to drop the case. An appeal of the case earlier this year allowed trump appointed supreme Court Justices to create a Brandnew Law of the land based on nothing in the Constitution Granting Criminal Immunity to Donald Trump for some of what he did leading up to and on january 6. Special Prosecutor Smith and his team having now read the supreme Court Opinion limiting what evidence they can present about crimes committed that while he was President And Panel a new Grand Jury in Washington Dc which issued a new Superseding Indictment of Donald Trump which preserved all four criminal charges against Donald Trump and the original indictment included conspiracy against the united states of america, but on the many did some of the underlying evidence that supported those. Special Prosecutor Smith obviously believes there is enough evidence in the Superseding Indictment which is nine pages shorter than the original indictment to convict Donald Trump of the alleged crimes. In Court Today the team urged the judge to first do with the Supreme Court has ordered her to do and evaluate the new indictment to see if it conforms to the limits imposed by the Supreme Courts immunity decision. Trump lawyers opposed that because it would force possibly public consideration of the evidence against Donald Trump before the election. The trump criminal Defense Lawyer argued instead that the judge should first rule on the Defenses Motion to completely dismiss the case based on the Supreme Court immunity decision. If the judge ruled on that Dismissal Motion first no matter how she ruled that could and would be appealed by the losing side and could be appealed all the way to the Supreme Court adding possibly another year of delay to the case. That delay is not going to happen. In the courtRoom Today, and shows us once again that a Court Transcript can never quite capture the full drama of what happens in the room. Windchimes criminal Defense Lawyer began his complaint about allowing any evidence in the case to possibly be revealed before the election live tweeting the proceedings reported this. Wants about prosecutors being able to put into the public record at a very sensitive time in our Nations History which we cant ignore. Let out a sigh and leaned back in her seat at that remark. Here is how it appears in the transcript. Its incredibly unfair in the sense that they are able to put in the public record at this time very sensitive time in our Nations History. Which we cant ignore that they are able to basically load up on what they think this case is about without our ability to meet those factual assertions that the right to crossexamine. That a written reply is due october 17. A minute later when he referred to this sensitive time. The judge had enough. Lets just discuss what the sensitive time is. I understand there is an election pending, and ive said before and i say again that the electoral process and the timing of the election and what needs to happen before or shouldnt happen before the election is not relevant here. This court is not concerned with the electoral schedule. There is an election coming, but the sensitive time that you are talking about if you are talking about the timing of legal issues and evidentiary issues and in relation to when the election is that is nothing i am going to consider. The Trump Team trying to throw another distraction at the judge that did not work. Telling the judge he wants to file a motion to dismiss the case on the basis that Jack Smiths Appointment is unconstitutional. The justice was the only supreme Court Justice who noted in his Written Opinion on the decision that he also believed Jack Smiths Appointment is unconstitutional. The opinion of one supreme Court Justice that is not a part of the ruling in the case is of course immaterial, but enough for his favor federal judge who he appointed to reach the decision that Jack Smiths Appointment was unconstitutional and thereby dismiss the criminal case he brought against Donald Trump and florida for illegal possession of classified documents and violations of the espionage act. He is appealing the decision to the 11th Circuit Court of appeals. They have rolled repeatedly over the years that the appointment of special councils is constitutional meaning that the judge is bound by the rulings of the Appeals Court in her jurisdiction. She has in effect no choice but to rule that the appointment is constitutional. And nothing that Clarence Thomas or they have written seems to impress her. Comes criminal Defense Lawyer told the Judge Justice thomas wrote a very persuasive concurrence that suggested that the Special Counsel does not have authority. And in addition, another judge, a very respected judge in the Southern District of florida, wrote a Decision Dismissing the Special Counsels case on Appointment Claus Basis and also on appropriations and it is a critical issue that now has to be decided by the court in light of Justice Thomass Interest in this issue, and also in light of what the judge decided in the Southern District of florida. It seemed the judge could not believe what she was hearing. She repeated to trumps lawyer what he was asking for, which made it sound all the more preposterous. You want to file this because there is binding d. C. Circuit precedent on this issue. You have in a Concurrence Written By justice thomas and you have an opinion filed by another District Judge in another circuit which frankly this court doesnt find particularly persuasive. So thats her basis for seeking to file that motion . Your honor, we could not file the motion because of the Circuit Court decision. So is your argument that another District Judge in florida, that opinion plus in a concurrence in the Supreme Court, those two things combined towards me again going against binding d. C. Circuit precedent . What i am saying is that the court should consider this issue, and justice thomas in effect directed us to raise this issue and suggested that we do it immediately in light of this view and that concurrence. The judge, he directed you to do that . Well, i shouldnt say he absolutely said, you know, do it. But when you read that opinion, its absolutely clear that is something we have to do now to preserve this issue. The judge, well, i certainly dont read the opinion that way. There is no suspense on how the judge is going to rule on that motion. When it does finally reach her consideration. Let me begin with you. When you performed it for me it was kind of a bigger moment. Oh yes. You are saying there was a moment with a year of background. It did. It was a deep sigh. She was slumping back on the bench very deeply. At the moment where the transcript recorded that through the rest of it that is when she is reclining deep on the bench, and as you mentioned, i mentioned that this had a year of build up to that moment. I actually looked back to the hearing where there was a moment like that in august 2023. August 11. I put of the quote. She said at the time what the effects of my order are on a political campaign are not performing and are not going to influence my decision here. This is a criminal trial. This is going to be a criminal trial brought at the time the government decides to bring the charges that they decided they were ready to bring. I do not have any control over that, but i cannot and will not factor into my decisions the effect that is going to have on the political campaign for either side. She has been consistent for a year making this repeatedly known from the same hearing. More than a year ago. Just about the same time. She said he is a criminal defendant. He will have restrictions like every single other defendant. Here she is making a year ago telling him that trump is going to be treated like any other criminal defendant. So when they press the issue and talked about the momentous occasion and the presidency this was familiar ground, and it was a year of frustration that pointed over at that moment. The big Dismissal Argument entered by the Defense Today is that the use of Mike Pence in this Indictment And Conversation between Donald Trump and Mike Pence clearly means the indictment has to be dismissed because the Supreme Court clearly in the Community Decision said you cannot use that evidence. Here is how one exchange went about that. This is the trump Defense Lawyer. The other major problem is the Supreme Court has already decided that the information between President Trump and Vice President Pence is an official act. The judge, no. I would disagree with you. They have not decided that. They have sent it back to me to figure that one out. This is complicated. There may be obviously the judge could do what she wants and there will be appeals, but the issue is to each of the allegations of the indictment and as to all of the proof that is when there will be filing not just about the indictment but about additional proof. We are waiting to hear what that is. The issue is to each of those things about Mike Pence and other pieces. One if it is official. Have they spoken on whether it is official . And even if it is the government gets to rebut it, so there are these two issues about whether it is official or rebutted. There is no question the government has the opportunity to rebut the there is i think questions about exactly what they meant when it examined the Mike Pence allegations. I think that they have the better argument. One thing i want to point out about something you said so people understand how fair the judge is. On this whole issue about the appointment of jack smith. She could have said he had an opportunity to file this a year ago. I had a date for all motions being filed. It is not true that you couldnt have filed this because of a d. C. Case. If youre trying to preserve the issue and she said im going to let you do it. She is like im not going to preclude it. I am willing to hear it so that you can preserve the issue. She did not have to do that. Poor people thinking she has it in for trump and the lawyers that is really a judge that is refreshing who was being fair. Who was treating this defendant like anyone else and showing her initial temperament. I have to say that it is refreshing to see. The Prosecution Team on that kind of let up. They could have said we insisted the deadline for that has passed. They could have done it and didnt do it, but they went along with the judge relaxing and. Let him bring it in and you could see pretty clearly. I do not feel there is a thought of suspense and how she is going to rule on the constitutionality of Jack Smiths Appointment. Absolutely not because she is bound by precedent. When they file the motion that is just for the Supreme Court to take it down the road. This was a very judicious she has been fair to both sides, and even evident in what we were talking about in that exchange. The way that she was deflating. There was this one great moment when laura said something to the effect of the Supreme Court was crystal clear, and she chuckled. There was no clarity in that decision. That is why they are debating it out right now. The big fight today. Putting everything. Ump team is it was the judge who said the Supreme Court could have in their opinion written out the Mike Pence evidence, and they did and. She also had the point they could have dismissed the entire case based on the Mike Pence evidence, which is what you are asking for now, and they didnt. She is absolutely right about that. They have sent this back to her for legal and factual findings. In addition the indictments changed. At the indictment that was before the Supreme Court is not the same as the one now because there is material that was withdrawn. Also material that was added. That actually gives up a lot of room for those government and for the judge to do this. The other thing i want to point out is the judge did not say we are having a hearing that is going to be for the election. She said we will have a briefing not taking the schedule. Going to be the next millennium we will have that briefing. She did what she should do is setting a schedule that anybody would get. She is not rushing to have the hearing. I want to make sure they understand. The Defense Position was so outlandish. It is not like the defense didnt get something here because i think she was being really fair. See you on september 26, and possibly many times in between. 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New yorks stupidest rich people gathered in one Room Today and proved how stupid they are with reactions like this. Next year im going to suggest they hold the meeting In Caracas because we will be safer in our country. We will be far safer. Just to think about how stupid you have to be to say that. And then think about how stupid you have to be to clap for that. Joe biden is president of the united states now. Kamala harris is the Vice President. They are in power now, and the economic club of New York is not having its meeting In Caracas. It is in mid Town Manhattan Today and new York City where they were all very safe. Most of the rich people in that room to live in new York City and work in new York City every day. Very happily getting richer every day and living in complete safety 24 hours per day in new York City. The New York economic club is not a club of economists. It is mostly Wall Street types who do not have a Graduate Degree in any thing who have never produced anything and have spent their lives massaging money. Every one of them has gotten much richer during the four years of the biden harris administration. I knew how stupid the speaker was before he opened his mouth today. But i really did not know how stupid so many members of the New York economic club are until i heard their reactions to the stupidest person who has ever spoken to them. I am very honored to have been endorsed last week by Robert F Kennedy junior. That was a great endorsement and he is very much into helping people. He is very much into helping people. The good news about that particular line is it sounded like it was a small minority of stupid rich people in the room who clapped for robert kennedy junior. At least they didnt fall for this line. We did a great job and now we really know our job well. I know the smartest and the best people. We have the best people. The best people. They know what happens to the best people. He went through four White House chiefs of staff. Multiple secretaries of defense in secretaries of state and national security advisors. He fired many people because of who he called the best people pick dozens of officials including Cabinet Members oppose publicly his reelection. When he went through everything in his teleprompter he took four questions from prearranged questions. First he got three softballs from rich men. He answered none of their questions. He spoke, but they werent answers. And then he finally got a real question. A serious question. Im going to show you that full Question And Answer now. I want to show it to you for a few reasons. It is a better questions than most i have heard of the president ial debates. Donald trump is completely incapable of answering the question about childcare. The only thing he actually says about childcare in his answer is Childcare Is childcare. Those are his words. You will hear it. Here is the most important part. For that typical trump incoherence. Got from those rich people a huge round of applause. The stupidest rich people in New York. It is the applause at the end of that horrific jumble of words that is not an answer to anything. The applause that is the most disturbing sound in the Room Today. Far more disturbing than the sound of Donald Trump himself droning on. Those stupid rich people. Clapping for the man who they watch to try to overthrow the result of the president ial election. Clapping for a man who says Childcare Is childcare. Clapping because in the middle of his speech he promised all of them another huge tax cut. Those stupid rich people are willing to Corrupt American Democracy for the stupidest person who has ever spoken to them. Here is the moment when stupid rich people in the room proved to who they really are. You talk about the increase in the price of Food And Gas and rent hurting families. The real cost that is breaking the familys backs and preventing women from participating in the workforce is childcare. It is now more expensive than rent for Working Families and costing the economy over 122 Billion a year. Making it one of the most urgent economic issues facing our country. It is outpacing the cost of inflation. The majority of american families of young children spending over 20 of their income on childcare. One thing that democrats and republicans have in common is that both parties talk a lot about what they are going to do to address the childcare crisis, but neither party has delivered meaningful change. If you win in november can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable and if so what specific piece of legislation will you advance . I would do that and we are sitting down. I was somebody. So impactful on that issue. It is a very important issue. I think when you talk about the kind of numbers i am talking about that is because Childcare Is childcare. You have to have it in this country. You have to have it. When you talk about those numbers compared to the numbers i am talking about like taxing for nations and levels they are not used to they will get used to it very quickly. It is not going to stop them from doing business with us. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers we are talking about including childcare. I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time coupled with the reductions that i told you about on Waste And Fraud and all of the other things. Growth also headed up by what the plan is that i just told you about. We are going to be taking in trillions of dollars and its relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the numbers. We are going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people and then we will worry about the rest of the world. Lets hope other people. It is about make America Great again can we have to do it because right now we are a failing nation. Thank you. Childcare is childcare. That Guy Talking is not the problem. It is those People Clapping that have brought this country to this Crisis Point in its history as a democracy. My moderate to severe crohns symptoms kept me out of the picture. Now i have skyrizi. Ive got places to go and im feeling free control of my crohns means everything to me control is everything to me and now im back in the picture. Feel significant Symptom Relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less Abdominal Pain and fewer bowel movements. Skyrizi helped visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. And with skyrizi, many were in remission at 12 weeks, at 1 year, and even at 2 years. Serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. Tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a Vaccine Or Plan to. 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It is weird to be obsessed with Peoples Healthcare choices. It is weird to continue to talk about batteries and boats and things like that. What is not weird is tell us what youre going to do about healthcare. Tell us who is going to get a tax cut. Tell is that you are going to protect reproductive rights. This Tv Star that we got. It is so old. Lets turn the channel and canceled the Dam Thing and move on to something else. Turning our discussion now to the democratic strategist and author. What we just saw what we just saw Tim Walz do. At taking what Donald Trump has very defensively been saying about weird and just really turning it right back on them. First of all, he started this, and he is playing this it seems a very well with them. Yeah. The Harriswalz Campaign is having a lot of fun right now. They are on offense. I think trump is stumbling in the campaign has really lost its bearings and they know it and have to keep prosecuting this advantage. It is really critical that when you are ahead, and i think they are, but they are on the front foot. It is great to see democrats acting this way. We are strong and powerful and unified. Taking it to them. Far more effective to be operating from this place of Joy And Confidence than from a place of fear and worry. I think it is a new thing, but far better than where we were a few months ago. I really applaud this campaign. I was Thinking Of You today watching that speech at the economic climate of New York. Because of what you have written about your party including in your latest book about how it is driving our democracy to autocracy. There are people in that Room Clapping for him today. I believe a part of what you argue is driving us towards autocracy. It is completely un american. When you think about it these are the heirs to the greatest generation. The people who sacrifice this. What do they have to do . They just have to support someone who believes in the Constitution And Rule of law. There is not one corporate board they are involved in who would allow them to hire Donald Trump. He is unemployable. You look at that and say lets make him president. It is not a School System in america that would be allowed to hire Donald Trump to teach or to be a principal or a coach. It is a complete advocation of what it means to be an american citizen. You cannot put the country first enough. They have made fortunes under this regime with the stockmarkets at record highs. Lets listen to a 31 second add that the campaign put out today. I think some of the lines in here we might be hearing at the debate. Lets listen to this. We saw at the convention that she is not scared of talking to the american people about what a danger he is in the threat that they represent. She has come off as joyful telling her story, but her indictment of him throughout her entire candidacy has been the most powerful indictment i think any major politician in the country over the last nine years. Some of this comes from her being a prosecutor and knowing how to stare down criminals in the courtroom. Im really looking forward to this. I think thisll be a good moment in the campaign. She has stories that she needs to talk to the american people. I just want to say one quick thing. What was incredible today is that when he was really saying to those folks he wants to end the global economic system that has made us all prosperous. He wants to end our democracy that has kept us free. They all applauded because he was off the rails today. This was one of the craziest speeches he had given. He sounded far more menacing and dangerous then i think i have heard in a long time. That is why you were right that it was deeply disturbing. I always thought if it was going to come it would come after Labor Day when i began thinking about it. After Labor Day it seems like something that some undecided republican voters could hear. I think Liz Cheney became an american heroin. She was a conservative person who understands what is at stake here goes beyond any Policy Differences that we might have. There is no longer a place for one in a republican party. She resonates with a lot of voters. Particularly a lot of women who like the fact that she stood up and that committee. It is a very powerful moment. If you said what a lot of republicans have said like myself that trump is a danger. You have to endorse harris. You have to because one of these people are going to be president. Thank you for joining our discussion tonight. Today President Biden was in wisconsin to announce the largest investment since the new deal. That is a Campaign Promise delivered. A fouryearold Campaign Promise delivered. 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It was not a harris Campaign Day it was a president ial day saying this is what we were, and this is what we have delivered. Contrasting with Donald Trump. This is the business of the biden harris administration. This is what you get with them actually delivering for everyone. Just as Harris And Walz will deliver for every american. Everyone is worthy of Human Dignity and respect. It is the site of a president ial visit to announce the historic investment, biggest since the new deal and rural electrification to bring clean energy. Is it possible that voters will hear him more clearly now that he is not a candidate. When he is explaining this is what we did . It is interesting. Trump is still kind of addicted. He seemed to lapse back into that. Frankly, it is about the future in a different way than before. That means there is more space. To layout here is what i said we are going to do, you can reflect on the record and there are now multiple communicators. 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