Luck with your campaign. That is to nice the reidout. All in with chris hayes starts now. Tonight on all in. We will expand the tax deduction for startups to $50,000. 61 days out, the candidates home their messages. Childcare is childcare. There's something that you have to happen. Tonight, the big battleground fight with pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. Then, the big news from today's criminal arraignment of the republican nominee. What we can now expect is perhaps even more material that is not yet public could come to the public eye and in the weeks before election day. Plus, new details on the russian campaign to pay maga to spread putin propaganda. This is psychotic. Ukraine is the enemy of this country. Ukraine is our enemy. And why all those gifts to supreme court clearance thomas aren't that dissimilar. I like to keep that friendship. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, we have some breaking news tonight, an exclusive scoop. It's this. Donald trump is 78 years old. Did you know that? if elected, he will be the oldest person to ever be sworn in as president of the united states. He's a man that's suffering from pretty obvious mental decline. But in contrast to the breathless coverage of joe biden's age and fitness, which, again, prior to his dropping out of the presidential race, we are not seeing nearly as much discussion about trump's diminished mental acuity. When was last time he read an article wondering if he was mentally fit to be president of the united states? the flea not leading the coverage of this race as it was with biden two months ago. Seems like everyone is grading trump on a curb. He's always been rambling and incoherent, true, so he gets a pass but if you spend any time listening to him for this time, and we do at all in, he doesn't sound like a person who should be anywhere near the nuclear codes. The transgender thing is incredible. Your kid goes to school and comes home a few days later with an operation. The school decides what's going to happen with your child and you know, many of these child's , 15 years later, they say what the hell happen. The radical, you know, you can have an abortion in the ninth month and then states, you are allowed to kill the baby after the baby is born. The execution of a baby. It's not abortion, it's the execution of a baby. You can actually execute the baby after birth. It kills our birds. If you want to see a bird cemetery, go under a windmill sometime. They do kill it kills all the birds. These are all obvious and transparent life. I don't think any serious person believes any of that. Like you drop your kid off at school at 8:30 in the morning and then pick him up at 2:30 and they've had gender affirming surgery in the school that day? in the nurses office? no one is executing babies in any state. Is not legal in democratic states to let the doctor just killing the child there, and newborn. There are piles of dead birds under all the windmills? the guy just said stuff. I guess what i would say about that, and he's been saying stuff for a long time is i generally can't tell if he believes it or not. Is there a line anymore between deception and delusion? and if you actually ask him to articulate just a basic policy proposal on childcare, he just cannot do it. If you win in november, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable and, if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance? well, i was sitting down and somebody, we had senator marco rubio and my daughter, so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue but i think when you talk about the kind of numbers and i'm talking about, because childcare is childcare. You know, it's something you have to have it in this country. But when you talk about those numbers, compared to the kind of numbers that i'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they are not used to, but they are used to it very quickly. It's not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they will have a very substantial tax where they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we are talking about, including childcare, that it's going to take care. I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions i told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because i have to stay with childcare but those numbers are small, relative to the kind of economic numbers that i'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that i just told you about. We are going to be taking in trillions of dollars and as much as childcare is talked about as being expensive, it is relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we will be taking in. We are going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people and then we will worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people. But we are going to take care of our country first. This is about america first. This is about make america great again. We have to do it because right now we are a failing nation. Thank you. He applaud the applaud at the end after he's falling all over. He does the simone biles dismount. Maga! did you get all that? remember, the question was what specific piece of legislation will you advance to keep childcare cost downs? okay? now, again, here is the contrast, here's the vice president of the united states, kamala harris, the democratic nominee, here she is with her specific plan to help offset the cost of childcare. Under my plan, more than 100 million americans will get a tax cut and we will do this by restoring two tax cuts designed to help middle class and working americans. The earned income tax credit and the child tax credit. Through which millions of americans with children have got to keep more of their hard earned income. So as president, i will not only restore that tax cut, but expand it, we will provide $6000 in tax relief to families during the first year of a child's life. So there you have it. A little bit of a contrast. In trump's defense, he was not on a teleprompter. He was just riffing there. But i don't know, man. That's the quality of the brains right now that we got over there. Both by president harris and tim walz are in pennsylvania today, which is a must win state for either ticket. Anything is possible. All the things are there. We are all undefeated at this point in time with the opportunity to build something better for ourselves. We built something better. I should say, we should not discount trump's very different approach at persuasion in pennsylvania. You can't take a chance. You have no choice. You've got to vote for me. You've got to vote for me. Even if you don't like me, you know? we have to win in november, or we are not going to have pennsylvania, they will change the name. They are going to change the name of pennsylvania. Joined me now is the governor of pennsylvania, josh shapiro, estate whose name i don't think it's going anywhere unless i'm mistaken. We are not changing it, chris. You are going to keep it? yeah. There's zero chance. And man oh man do we have a stark contrast in this race. You laid it out perfectly and i'm glad to be with you and i'm looking forward to the conversation. Let me ask you this. I looked at some of the polling in your state, you are democratic in the state that's a pretty closely politically divided state. So here's the first question for you. If someone says i like governor josh shapiro, maybe i am a republican, i'm independent, i'm a centrist, but what is the harris, you know, biden here is a ministration done? i think things are pretty good in pennsylvania, i approve of my governor, it seems like jobs are doing pretty well. I chalk it up to a statelevel apparatus. There's nothing happening in d. C. . What you say to that kind of vote? look, i would say the good people of pennsylvania, yes, we've cut taxes four times here in the commonwealth. We made historic investments in education and public safety and economic development. Things are going well. We have a lot more work to do but things are going well and i understand that politics is a team game here. You have to have partners in this. I'm really governor in the entire country with a divided legislature. One house led by democrats, one led by republicans. We've managed to get all that done. It's a team sport here. But it's also a team sport when it comes to having an administration who can work with us. One of the reasons why we are excelling when it comes to energy production is because of the strong relationship we have with the bidenharris administration. One of the reasons that we never before is because of our partnership with the administration. We have kids who are able to turn the tap on and not drink water with lead in it because the bidenharris administration and their commitments to us. Without folks in rural communities in pennsylvania who are now getting the highspeed internet turned on for the first time because of our partnership with the biden harris administration. I would say the good people of pennsylvania, yes, we made a lot of strides. I couldn't be more proud to be your governor and enjoy support from democrats, republicans, and independents, but i have a great partnership with the bidenhere's a ministration. It's allowed me to do so much of this work and let me tell you some, i want that to continue. I want pennsylvania to continue to get its to have a president that i can call and lean on when times are tough, when like we did when i99 collapse. I know kamala harris can be that president for the entire nation and certainly for the good people of pennsylvania. There's a lot of focus on your state. I think because of the electoral college, there's a lot of reason to think it will be sort of a tipping point, and must win state. There's polling that showed today kamala harris up by a point. It's clear it's very close there. There's also a lot of nerves some going to ask you a question you can't answer but people want to hear what you're going to say. Which is basically like okay. What's going on there? how is it looking? is it close? do you have these sense of what's going on? who's going to win? yeah, i mean it looks like maybe the one thing kamala harris and donald trump agree on is that pennsylvania is the tipping point state, that the siding state. Here is what i will say. It looks to be basically a dead even race for president and by the way, it also looks to be in even race for the united states senate and i need bob casey in the united states senate. He is an outstanding u. S. Senator and head on over to bobcasey. Com and ship in two or three dollars to help him out. When it comes to the presidential race, understand that in pennsylvania, many looking to sort of on a football field, you can maybe get 49 yards of your side of the field. But grabbing that extra yard and a half, two yards to get to the other side of the field is really, really tough. This is a tough state to compete and win in. The good news is, with kamala harris and tim walz are doing are showing up in the communities that need to meet them. The communities that are oftentimes ignored or left behind. Right before they went to the dnc in chicago, they weren't in philly or pittsburgh and i love philly and pittsburgh. But they went to rural beaver county. That's in the corner down by ohio and west virginia. I think just yesterday, tim walz was in rule lancaster county and up in erie and rural fayette county. They are showing up in the communities that need to hear from them, need to understand what they are all about, kick the tires and understand more and i think as pennsylvanians get more familiar with the vice president and the governor, they are going to see them as the people who can help not just move our commonwealth, but the entire country forward. You spoke at the democratic national convention. He had a prime time speaking slot. You been talking about what's been going on in pennsylvania and also being proud of your faith as a jewishamerican, one of the most prominent politicians in american, in the democratic party, which features a number of folks, including chuck schumer and others. I want to just get your reaction to something that donald trump says a lot about jewish americans, which is that they are crazy, they need to get their head examined, they are essentially betraying who they are if they vote for democrats, thank you had democrats to support, you have to have your head examined, he warns that israel will no longer exist if vice president kamala harris becomes president. He's use the word palestinian as a slur against chuck schumer to say that he's almost like a palestinian. I'm curious how that strikes your ears look, i think it's more of the same from donald trump. I have been the recipient of many attacks from donald trump, including antisemitic attacks from donald trump over the years, as have the people of pennsylvania and the american people donald trump is someone who petals bigotry and hatred. He constantly tries to create others in our society, separating people out based on what they look like, where they come from, who they love, who they pray to. And it is something that is deeply offensive, i think, to many people. And not just as a governor, but as a father of four, i try to raise our kids to love thy neighbor. To care about their fellow man, their fellow woman, and we should have a leader of this nation, a leader of the free world who at least meets those standards that most try to hold when you look at what donald trump dual loyalty where american jews can only care about israel, that's deeply offensive. I'm a proud american i care about our national security. I care about a whole host of issues, as many american jews do. And going with this notion that they only have to care about israel, by the way, have to have the exact same views on israel. I think that's deeply offensive and deeply troublesome. Donald trump sort of fails that test that parents sever their kids. He has failed the test has commuter chief before. We do not want to hand him the keys back to the white house where he can continue to try and divide us, offend people, and spew more hatred and bigotry in our society. You've got a state where early voting starts very soon, september 16th, if i'm not mistaken. It's a state, four years ago, you and i spoke a number of times in that period in the run up to the election, after, serving as the attorney general and one of the things you had to do was go into court and basically preserve the kind of integrity of the state election system underneath a sort of fuselage of lawsuits from the trump campaign and others. Are you confident about the election infrastructure in your state, about the sort of county level canvassing boards, any kind of mischief that folks from the trump campaign may get up to two not be able to do what is essentially their legal duty to count certified boats? yeah. In 2020, here in pennsylvania, we had a free and fair, safe and secure election, and i'm absolutely confident that we will, again, in 2024, have a free and fair, safe and secure election. Our elections are now being led by my appointee and secretary of state, and that's al schmidt. I would note that al is a republican because i believe that the administration of elections in this country should not be partisan exercises. We can have our partisan choices for candidates, but the running of elections is something that really needs to be nonpartisan. Al is leading that way, as our clerks across pennsylvania, republican and democrat alike who are working very hard to make sure that we have integrity yet again in our process. Unfortunately, we are already beginning to see the lawsuits and the threats of lawsuits come from donald trump and his allies. The good news is, our course here in pennsylvania, just in recent days, have consistently in their rulings cited on it enfranchisement, not the kind of disenfranchisement that donald trump pushed for back in 2020 and is again threatening this time. We will, again, have a free and fair, safe and secure election. I have great confidence in the people who are overseeing it at both the state and county level and we are going to do everything we can that whether you choose to vote from home by nail mail or you choose to vote in person, your vote will be counted and quickly and of course, the will of the people will be respected. We were here on the beginning of the football season and i am curious how you are feeling about the two teams in your state as we head into this season. I'm feeling optimistic. First off, they open in brazil on friday night. They are all complaining about, understanding of me. They are not that psyched. Yeah, i think it's cool though. I think it's awesome that the birds get to open the season down in brazil. I want the world to know about the philadelphia eagles. They look really, really good this year. I think their roster up and down looks great. But now you have to go out and play those 17 games. I'm excited for that. On the other side of the stay, i've got to tell you that the steelers win some really good offseason moves. They have two great backs. Early on here in the season, i think they've added a number of pieces. And i think they're going to surprise some folks. I think the steelers making the playoffs, they were close last year and they had a nice run for us here. They will have a lot of support for pennsylvania sports from the nominees of both parties in your state, doing some governor josh shapiro, thank you very much. Hey, great to be with you, chris. Thanks. I just want to say that we've got some news. We are following a new development in yesterday shooting at that georgia high school that left four dead and nine more injured. Just moments ago, law enforcement from the state of georgia announcing that colin gray, the father of the 14year old suspect in the shooting itself, has also now been arrested. In coordination with the district with district attorney brad smith, age 54, in connection with the shooting here at apalachee high school. Colin is cold gray's father. He is charged with the following four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of seconddegree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children. Mr. Gray, these charges knowingly allowing his son to possess a weapon. 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That's just weeks before the election, which is just not what they wanted. This morning, they argued the special counsel timeline would be, quote, incredibly unfair that they are able to put in the public record at this sensitive time in our nations history. Was having none of it. Let's just discuss what the insensitive time is. I understand there is election timing. I said before and i said before is not relevant here. This court, she emphasized, is not concerned with the electoral schedule. Legal correspondent was in that courtroom today and she joins me now. It seemed like a fairly dynamic and colorful scene in that courtroom. Let's to start with like what was the purpose of the proceeding today. The purpose was to decide on a schedule for how you resolve this immunity issue, which, as one of president trump's lawyer described today, the pregame court system was crystal clear and judge chutkan literally chuckled. It doesn't show up and that's because what it leaves her to decide. That was the main purpose of today's hearing and of course, also, then, to arrange former president trump on the superseding indictment, which doesn't add any new charges or any new allegations or defendants, but really, what was the indictment in attempt to comply with the supreme court ruling. So what has to happen? what are the next steps here in this proceeding? well, after today's hearing, she entered the scheduling order where she's going to allow the government, as you just noted, to put in a brief that basically says, here's how we complied with the immunity ruling and all of our allegations are squarely within what the court says is allowable and we are going to prove that you, by attaching a bunch of evidence and today, at the hearing, one of the lawyers for the special counsel, i'm sorry, one of the lawyers for the special counsel basically said here is what we are going to attach. We are going to attach grand jury transcripts. We are going to attach interview transcripts, meaning informal interviews. We are even going to attach fbi 302, which for our viewers at home, that's a memo that's graded one skaters in the fbi interview somebody who is a witness to an alleged crime. We are going to see all of that if judge chutkan decides the public should see it. So that will all be in the evidentiary filing. Correct. By the special counsel office that says all the stuff that the supreme court wrote this decision that constructed rube goldberg machine of where immunity presents, where it is assumed were feasible, where is lightly assumed work evidence can or cannot get the play. A bunch of complicated calvin ball created by john roberts. Okay, fine, we are going to play said calvin ball and we are going to file a briefing that says here's why all this stuff passes the test set by the court. Correct. And that's turning the usual process on its head. Usually, the defendant wants to dismiss an indictment, they are the ones who go first. They bring the brief and they say this indictment can't stand for the following reasons. But here, judge chutkan agreed with the special counsel office that given their desire to only have one round of appeals up until the supreme court before a trial, that it made sense for them to lay out all that evidence and go first, the former president trump lawyers the opportunity to respond perhaps with their own evidence as to why he should be exonerated here and why the immunity ruling means that the indictment can't stand and then they will get the last say in late october right before the election. So she's going to make some determinations. The question is will that filing that attaches all the evidence, will that be made public and we don't know that? we don't. And even special counsel's office said that they don't know that. She said how much of this information are you going to want to put under seal and they were very clear and honest and said we don't quite know yet. But they clarified, it's not up to the lawyers. There is a point in time where john laura essentially said if they are going to put forward all this information, we are going to do the same and the lawyer with a special counsel office says that's not the way this works. There's a protective order in place that governs confidential information and we feel that we need to file something. We will come to you and you make that ultimate decision. There's also sort of a kind of, well, there's maximal is him on behalf of trump's lawyers, also these cheeky exchanges, life is the most meaningless without seeing you for your so it's good to see you again. He then said well enjoy it while it lasts and then there was also a point at which they want to challenge the constitutionality of jack smith's office. As they have successfully in judge aileen cannon's case. Right. That's pending appeal, and they said that they were instructed by a supreme court justice to do so. Directed is what they said. Well, he was asking them why you think you can do that motion here because here, unlike in florida, there is binding precedent from the applicable court o# appeals that says the appointment of a special counsel is perfectly permissible and constitutional. Their response was we been directed by justice thomas and she said wait a second, that is a concurrence in the immunity decision. I should point out to you, chris, that justice thomas is the only justice in the court who signed that. There's not on the court. One. And she was very clear that was in a direction, as she read it. If anything is a very small reference to justice thomas's desire to provide guidance to lower courts, plural, for considering the issue. At the time that he wrote that, only judge cannon had that kind of motion before her. He might have been signaling that he would like to see them bring such a motion but it's far from a direction and for them to construe it as such was a major tactical error. I had to say, when i read that, because i was reading this live coverage of it directed by justice thomas. I was like that's a wild thing to say about a single justices concerns. Were the most cynical reading was justice thomas basically being like hey, allied judicial thinkers in the courts. Like let's help a brother out here but to say it that way was pretty audacious. In a year full of audacity, that was the capstone of audacious miss. For them to say that because, as we know, there was the justices on one side, the judges in some cases like judge cannon and now, the lawyers. All basically saying we are having a conversation among ourselves about the way to adjudicate this. And we are winking and nodding through our papers. That is a really crazy thing to acknowledge in public. I was thinking today as i was watching the coverage, what she has to know do. Just at a technical level. Like she's got a trial that she's got to run. Just on this john roberts opinion which, again, sort of this new creation after 220+ years of the republic and you know, i was just thinking that we are supposed to try to resolve disputes. We are supposed to try to do it efficiently and with humility. She has to do the actual work here with this thing. She made a reference to it because i point, when he was arguing to her about how he construes the courts opinion, your honor, i'm an original list, i'm a trial judge and that is not how i understand the instructions. About what my task is ahead. Final, quickly. There's not going to be some grand moment where we like see all the evidence, although there might be in the briefing. May be in the briefing other could still be an evidentiary hearing. 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It's a wild behind the curtain peek at how the fever swamps of conservative media work nowadays. The indictment charged to employees of the kremlin funded media matters. Alleging that they carried out and covert project from russia to fund our right wing media company that could influence american politics with viral video content or at least just video content. Prosecutors did not name that media company or its commentators, but he revealed like nbc news found that his description in the indictment match the website of tenant media word for word. We feel pretty confident. The indictment also mentioned six unnamed commentators. As nbc reports, tenant has partnered with six commentators, lauren southern, tim poole, taylor hanson, matt christiansen, dave rubin, and benny johnson. Possibly you heard of some of those guys, buzzfeed benny until he was fired from buzzfeed for plagiarism, which was embarrassing. He recently helped mike lead mike lee full of misinformation. Dave rubin, who is the right wing rubin report has 2. 5 million tim poole, the beauty we the beanie wearing youtuber. Respectively have 2. 4 million, 1. 3 million youtube subscribers. It adds that commentators contract provided for four weekly videos. At the video once a week in exchange for a monthly fee of $400,000, plus $100,000 signing bonus and an additional performance bonus. Provided for weekly videos in exchange for a fee of $100,000 per video. Again, these guys are not nba basketball players. They are just making videos, okay? again, according to the prosecutors, the money for that very lucrative arrangement for the contact came from russia by way of shell companies in hungary, turkey, dubai, the czech republic and this, this is the kind of content the kremlin was hoping to boost. The american taxpayer has given hundreds of billions of dollars to ukraine in what is the largest money laundering scam in human history. The only way ukraine gets all of this is probably that sorry, that ukraine gets out is they are going to have to concede some land to russia. This is psychotic. Ukraine is the enemy of this country. Ukraine is our enemy, being funded by the democrats. I will stress again, one of the greatest enemies of our nation right now is ukraine. They are expanding this war. The people who run ukraine are driving around in bentleys and some of the most expensive cars in europe, their kids are living lavishly all around europe. There are plenty of russian needed speakers that want to be part of mother russia. I don't see any way around that. Again, you cannot beat them militarily. Ukraine is the greatest threat to this nation and to the world. We should rescind all funding and financing, plot all military please pull out all military support and we should apologize to russia. Apologize to russia. Those are youtube truth tellers just literally working for the kremlin, according to the justice department indictment. But it wasn't just prorussia. They were reportedly paying for, to be fair, all part of a much broader information war being waged by moscow. Yesterday, the department of justice also released documentation to basically divide and weaken american to source where they discussed members of one are afraid of losing the american way of life. The american dream. It's these sentiments that should be exploited. According to that document, examples of divisive topics that russia wanted to emphasize included risk of job loss for white americans, threat of crime coming from people of color immigrants and my personal favorite category, privileges for people of color perverts and that's basically the fox news programming guide, the front page of twitter, huge part of youtube. Everything that animates the white hopes is the right wing media skate today. So far, this influence who commented said they were victims. They were duped. And then change their content they just cashed the very large checks. Of course, that's how influence campaigns work. You find a person that already agrees with you and you boost them and you make their lives incredibly lucrative and comfortable. That person is like i'm not doing anything different. I'm just doing my thing and getting $400,000 in a month to make some viral right wing content. That is honest work, right? nbc reporter for nbc news, focusing on the internet and extremism. She's been covering this story closely and she joins me now. I've got to say that the details in here are pretty striking. Indeed. This is sort of, i don't know, i haven't felt this way since got indicted for stealing all the ball money. Things that we saw were happening in plain sight that we have suspected for a long time that russia surely loves these people and loves these talking points, but we had no idea that it was, that they were being paid for it until now, allegedly. We should say, there's a sort of interesting cart and course thing course thing here. One of the things that we saw in real time was in the runup to the russian invasion of ukraine, they were warning they were going to do it, a ton of rightwing commentators thing that's ridiculous, it's scaremongering, and then they did it and i think broadly american public opinion is like this is bad and terrible and why are they doing this? but there was a faction on the right that took the side of russians from the jump, even before what is allegedly getting pay. Yeah, i think people have cart marjorie taylor green, moscow marjorie or something. So yes, there has always been the sort of group that's group that's aligned with these ideas. And like you say, the ideas that they were hoping to push was all the things that you can see on fox news or on these youtube channels anyways. It's hard to say which came first. What we can say, what's clear is that a foreign adversarial government is very excited about what this conservative movement has to say. So much so that it's willing to waste money that it knows it won't profit any of this would be profitable, this media company would not be profitable pay these people anyway because it found those talking points so valuable. We should also note that we know for a fact and sometimes is documented that this kind of russia propaganda money is flooding europe in the last decade or so. It's everywhere. You actually interviewed in the article you did someone on the who often you will find people justify taking the money when they are aware they are getting money from russia. Not even shell companies, these are my beliefs. I'm not being told what to say. Just because they are quite good at recruiting talent, finding or who's working for the alliance of russia and let's find a way to support it. I mean, i don't know if you remember larry king had a show on and he said well i was going to say this anyway. I'm not changing anything and it's a question of like what are you aiding and adversarial government? are you aiding the russians to spread their cup propaganda? how do you feel about that, according to these people that are far right, dave rubin and tim poole and the rest of them, they claim to be victims and so far, they don't seem to have much to say about how they feel about being part of that campaign. I haven't heard them say anything about whether they are returning all that buildup in cash that they have gotten. Lots of money. It's so much money. That's the other thing. Someone is like, i'm going to pay you for one video, $100,000 a video. No real questions asked. I think as a journalist you are like, i've got some questions. The fact i would say. I think that there's that. That's the biggest sort of red flag. It just sort of comes to you, which these people did, people that they did know, the founders of this company, they came and said you want to be part of this media campaign and the second thing, according to the indictment is we have a benevolent benefactor. He's a financial guy and his name is in paris, even though he was using moscow but he's in paris and one person allegedly said i need more information and so they gave dave rubin, we think, a pdf document with the resume of this made a benefactor made a benefactor. And he exists nowhere on the internet. It shows that no one seems to have gone past that step. Okay, well, it seems like it checks out. I will cash that check. I have to say, sort of, you know, somewhat comical here is here is a video from the commentators in which their whole point is we are not bought , we are not part of the establishment, we are independent voices. Take a listen. I think i have made pretty much everyone angry. That's what happens when you are a freethinker. It's not when we are grouped together. When the media says dissident or and see establishment, i think, based very cool. Independent media actually is holding these people accountable. The challenge for all of us is to not be passive participants and let everything slip away. Dissident, independent, that's the whole sort of like value proposition. These folks at the department of justice are getting enormous check to influence the american election. Right. You cannot trust your institution, you cannot trust the media, you cannot trust big, insert whatever institution there. You can trust us because we are saying the thing that no one else will say this for the reason no one else is saying this is because the most part, they are not true. That's propaganda. You can only trust edward. His resume i have her here but i didn't thank you very much, brandy zadrozny. 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I was paid to say what i would've said anyway. I believe they are telling the truth on that. All of the antiimmigrant rhetoric and file culture were imagery is what they would have said before the russians showed up to pay them for it. The most effective tactic to manipulate public opinion is to change laws on behalf of the interest. It's not to find somebody opposed to what you want to do and tell them what to say. Instead it is to go out and find people that are already aligned with those interests and subsidize the out of those folks by throwing money at them, raising the profile so they can keep doing what they were already doing. They do it for a long time and they are comfortable doing it. In this case to the tune of the hundred thousand dollars per video which i have to say is pretty cushy in the world of digital media. If the whole scheme sounds kind of familiar that is because it is basically the same arrangement set up for supreme court justice clarence thomas by billionaire benefactors like harlan crow. According to the reporting we have thomas has been given gifts both disclosed and, more significantly, undisclosed to the tune of $4 million over the past 20 years. At least that is how much we know about as a brow as of now. You can see just how much he's been given. You see him on the chart he is on the left. He's the huge red barn comparison to the other justices. Every time he gets caught being gifted a yacht trip or rv loan that was forgiven for tuition payment for family his defender say the same thing that those influence there's say that clarence thomas did not change his mind. Is just rolling the wood way he would have anyway. It is pretty much true. He is a deeply conservative guy. At least i think in most cases and most issues probably will and ways favorable to harlan crow and his billionaire ilk regardless. That is not the point. You do not have to change his views, you just need to incentivize him to stay on the court, offer him some gifts to continue doing what he's doing already. The problem with all of this is not only does he get a ridiculous amount of gifts, his compromises are extended in every direction including his wife ginny was a rightwing activist and involved in things having to do with january 6 and in the face of democrats trying to crack down in this insane ethical violation to find it by even the most basic set of ethics that every federal employee has to abide by in the were new revelations about a group working to help justice thomas's fight efforts to reform the court. They obtained audio of a religious group reading an email from thomas's wife ginni profusely thanking them for fighting for his right to keep accepting amazing gifts without any ethics rules. Let me say one thing that is an encouragement. I think it will be an encouragement because the people on this call are very top supporters. I got an email today from ginni thomas, justice thomas's wife. I want to read that to you. She said, great to meet through the meetings today. I cannot adequately express enough appreciation for you guys pulling into reacting to the biden effort on the supreme court. This is in all caps. You guys have field the cells filled the sales of many judges. This is in all caps thank you so , so much. It is neat that those of you on the call are part of protecting the future of our court and they really appreciate it. Notice they said our court. They really appreciate it. Meaning not just ginni because she's the spokesperson for her husband. The billionaires and interest groups need him to stay where he is and are lavishing gifts to make sure he will remain on the court. It's not that different from the russians paying online rightwing personalities huge sums of money to keep doing what they were doing. At the end of the day clarence thomas is just the tim pool of the supreme court. Alex wagner tonight starts now. Good evening. That's a very good script you just read my friend. A very good connecting of the dots. We will be connecting our own. We will be connecting the clarence thomas dots in a different direction in a few moments but that is a good one. Thank you. Great show. Thank you. Yesterday