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Evangelicals. A fascinating piece. All your reporting in secretary. It is such a gift to have you in our stable, thank you for doing it, thank you for jn me tonight. Paula ramos, contributor of the cominbook, latino evangelicals, rise of the far right. Thank you for your time. That is our show for tonight. Now it is time for the last word with lawrence odonnell. Good evening, lawrence. Alex, i just wasted an hour of my life. Dont know. What . Thats what i shouldve done. Hould have watched your show. I thought it was my job to watch the Trump Town Hall moderated by Sean Hannity. I could have told you. On another channel. So, it is the town hall, you know, harrisburg, pennsylvania, filled with people ready to ask their questions. Not a single Audience Question in the entire hour because, you know, the out of control rambling, incoherent answers went on forever, Sean Hannity he has to talk about Hannibal Lector and sharks. Sean hannity is promising the audience that the Audience Questions are coming up and they never do. Unbelievable. Any one of the Audience Questions would have been better than any of the Sean Anity qstions in the entire hour. There mightve been something to report about it if just one Audience Question got asked. Well, next time, lawrence. Stick with this channel next time. You now have my full report of the last 60 minutes. I dont need to watch any of the highlights. You have been saved that. Fhat, i thank you, sir. Thanks, alex. Have a great show. The big Campaign News of the night is a major endorsement of Kamala Harris for president. This is an endorsement that could really change voin Kamala Harriss favor because it comes from one of americas most prominent republican families. Liz cheney, the daughter of former Vice President cheney endorsed Kamala Harris for President Today and comments she made in north carolina, where a Liz Cheney endorsement could make a difnce in the outcome of the president ial election in that state, where Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are running within one point of Each Other in most polls. Liz Chas Madit clear since January 6th that she could never vote for Donald Trump for president. But, since Donald Trump secured the republican nomination, Liz Cheney has not said how she will vote in the president ial election until today. Because we are here in north carolina, i think it is, it is crucially important for the people to recognize not onlis what i have just said about the Anger Tat Trump poses something that should prevent people from voting for him but i dont believe that we have them luxury of writing in candidates names, particularly in Swing States. As conservative, as a someone who believes in and cares about the constitution, i have thought deeply about this and because of the danger that Donald Trump poses, not only am i not voting for Donald Trump but i will be voting for Kamala Harris. Congressional committee investigating Donald Trumps attem president ial election leading up to and on January 6th. President Trump Sat in the Dining Room off the Oval Office watching the violent riots at the capitol on television. For hours, he would not issue a Pub Statement instructing his supporters to disperse and leave the capitol, despite urgent pleas from his white House Staff and dozens of others to do so. This was an utter moral failure and a clear dereliction of duty. Liz Cheneys Endorsement of Kamala Harris will be heard by republican voters. It could be a number of voters that could tip a Swing State or several Swing States in the favor of Kamala Harris in an election, now, where the candidates are separated by one or two points in the important Electoral College Swing States that will decide this election. The Liz Cheney endorsement seems possily inevitable when we look at it today. Looking back in time, it was not inevitable. Liz cheney has been very careful in her approach to this public discussion of the Trump Candidacy, sending she is opposed to the Trump Candidacy but never going that step, that next step. Okay, when you are filling out your ballot, what are you going to we now have that answer. Liz cheneys answer main become the answer for a crucial number of republicans out there who could end up deciding this election. That endorsement of Kamala Harris by Liz Cheney came on the same day that Attorney General Merrick Garland announced a new indictment of russian citizens for trying to interfere with the current, 2024 president ial election, again in support of Donald Trump. The indictment says russia today, a statecontrolled Media Outlet funded and directed by the government of ssia after russia invaded ukraine in february 2022, rt was Sanctioneroped Abydos Jupiters and ultimately forced to cease formal operations in the united states, canada, and the United Kingdom and the european union. In response, rt created , in the words of its editor in chief, an entire empire of covert projects designed to sape Public Opinion in western audiences. The indictment says rt and its employees deployed nearly 10 Billion ordered through a network of foreign shell entities to covertly fund and direct englishlanguage videos on multiple Social Media channels, including to talk, instagram, twitter and youtube. According to the indictment, those videos are designed to support the candidacy of Donald Trump. The first time Donald Trump ran for the presidency, he openly and illegally asked for russias help. Russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Russia did exactly what Donald Trump requested that they. After Merrick Garland announced the indictments for russian interference in this Years Election Today Donald Trump omplaied on Social Media that it was somehow unfair for the Justice Department of the united states of america to criminally prosecute illegal russian interference in our elections. The russian government can successfully interfere in presi entirely to the other absurdity of the Electoral College. It was impossible for the russian Election Interference Operation in 2016 to turn enough votes in Donald Trumps favor so that Donald Trump could actually win the most votes. Donald trump lost the vote at the polls by 3 Million votes, a Merchant Election Interference couldnt possibly close but Electoral College can be won by tiny vote margins in a you states. By 7 Million votes nationally and he will surely lose to Kamala Harris by millions of votes nationally and that is why russian interference is targeted at the key Electoral College states that decide the election. There is nothing the founders feared more than foreign interference in american elections. They would be horrified to know that nothing has made foreign ferece in our president ial elections more effective than the Electoral College, true curse on american democracy. Leading of our Discussion Tonight is andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel, former chief of the criminal division in the eastern desert of new york. He is a msnbc legal Analyst And Coauthor of the The New York Times bestselling book the trump indictments. Also, rick stegall, who served as under Secretary Of State during the Obama Administration. He is a msnbc political analyst and the author of information wars, how we lost the global battle against the disinformation and what we can do about it. Andrew weissman, i know , you know, when i heard today the Justice Department, russian indictment, i really had to ask , a new one . It is happening again, we are doing this again after what you went through investigating what happened when Donald Trump publicly asked russia to help, there seems to be an awful lot of familiar notes and what they are seeing in this indictment today. Absolutely. And, No One should be surprised. This is something, if you remember watmueller testified before congress, he was asked about this, he said it is happening as we speak and it will continue to continue. Kudos to the department of justice for taking affirmative steps now. You remember in 2016, the was belated criticism that they didnt take action, even though they saw during the election that this was going on, because they didnt want to be viewed as politicizing the election and taking sides. But, that came at the expense of interference. Here, in black and white, in voluminous Papers Hat Apartment of justice has made public, it is exactly the scheme, lawrence, that you laid out, which is to get Donald Trump elected, to have the republicans win. That is Goal Number one Goal Ber T is to have the democrats lose to lose confidence in their policies and, particularly, of course, about the war in ukraine. So, it has whole numbers and it targets specifically the battleground states, it targets Spec Interest groups and voter blocks, it identifies hispanics, americans use, obviously anyone in a battleground state, as someone that should be targeted to try and make sure that they can win the war in ukraine by getting Donald Trump elected. That is the explicit target. Final points really quickly is that one the innovative things that department of justice did is they took down domains. They didnt just indict people and lay out the schema to make it clear we know what they are doing, they also took down some of the instrumentality that russia is using to foment this illegal scheme. They closed down those websites they have been using. Theres a new statement by the harriswalz campaign, Vice President harris about Liz Cheneys endorsement today. I want to read that in a moment use it does, when you consider Liz Cheney made her endorsement even before knowing about this the Justice Department indictment, which is another demonstration of the danger that Donald Trump poses in politics and in government, the intersection of these Stories Today is quite powerful. Here what the Vice President is saying tonight in a statement about Liz Cheneys endorsement that says the Vice President is proud to have earned conquers womaneys vote, she is a Patriot Country it puts our Democracy And Constitution first and she noted in her powerful remarks this election is a choice between the fundamental threat Donald Trump poses to our democracy and a leader who will stand up for our freedoms and the rule of law. Vice pResident Harris will be president for all ans regardless of political party, for any american looking to reject the Chaos And Division of Donald Trump, turn the page and pursue a new way forward that protects our freedoms in defense of the american values we all believe in. There is alace for you n the Harriswalz Coalition and people continue working to earn your support. Richard stengel, as a former Obama Administration official , your reaction to Liz Cheney endorsing the Vice President , the Vice President s Written Acceptance of it just now, and what it means for this campaign. It is an expert in everything. As you sa, lawrence, she put country over party. She put the constitution above all. Conservatives and she described herself as cnservative, that she sees Donald Trump a such an accidental threat to the country to, to the constitution that shes going to vote for a democratic Party Candidate for the first time. I think it is extraordinary. Lisning. Lot of folks are i hope conservatives who cant tolerate trump will use her as an example and a vote for Kamala Harris as well. A andrewissman as we go forward , one of the things the Attorney General said today, the investigation is ongoing. And, because of the effort is ongoing by the russians. Absolutely. So, two things, one, just to relate these stories that youve been doing, one of them sad things when you look at the issue of russian interference in our elections, or any foreign government or foreign Persons Interference in our elections, that should be an apolitical subject. That is something that democrats and republicans should both be getting behind. It shouldnt be i am for it as long as tforein government is helping me. So, that is really Liz Cheneys point. It is an apolitical thing that is fundamental to being an american. To your point of a continuing investigation, one thing that is fascinating to me having looked at these documents is, wetwo employees, relatively low level, were charged today. The indictments spell out Chapter And Verse two founders of the russian Front Company and how complicit, illegally complicit they are. My reading of this, and it is sort of what i call educated speculation is those two founders, i suspect, are cooperating. It makes no sense for them to not be charged given the y this read to. So, i strongly suspect that what We E seeing, as detailed as it is, it is the tip of the iceberg. Richard stengel, at the state department, one of your jobs was battling this kind of interference , which has become all the more sophisticated, apparently overtime. Yes. The evolved, the russians, they are leng. In 2016, they created the internet research agency, which was a tall farm with russians who didnt speak english imitating americans. In 2020 they used the disinformation that was in our system to try O Help Trump to get elected. Now, they are doing this thing that modern Media Companies are doing, which is they are hiring influencers who are often unwitting and they are hired by the russian government. Theyve created a covert influence campaign. I would make one point about having watched the russians do this for a long time. It is not that they are so sophisticated, it is that we are so credulous. Even when you look at what they wrote in their memos about the Swing States, about hispanics, this, these are not sophisticated political analysts, these are people who are not very sophisticated. The point is that we believe things because we want to believe them. And, it is incumbent upon us to understand what they are doing and try to look. One of the Domain Names they got with something called Washington Post. Pm pretending to be the Washington Post. Any sophisticated reader, someone who is aware of Media Literacy will realize this isnt Washington Post im saying to everybody out there, we have to be aware, we have to be vigilant. Andrew weissman, of course, apearance in these legal filings in the documentation of what was going on, there was a medm that Tucker Carlson made, there he is, his happiness at shopping in a supermarket in russia, claiming that it is better than anything we have in this country, which of courses a line that Tucker Carlson was trying to sell to us. One of theoperators of this Propaganda Effort in the united states, one of the russian operators has a message in there, Text Message saying we Cant Use this, this looks too ridiculous. Someone else said no, the boss wants us to use it. Well, look, this is a classic, as rick said, not terribly sophisticated campaign to get people to do very much but Donald Trump has been Proselytizinhich Ito become pro russian and anti ukraine. So, this is a very much a redo of 2016. Hillary clinton was, had a very hawkish view that was joined by traditional republicans which is proukraine and the republican party has really split on that because the republican party that we know from eight years ago doesnt exist anymore and is now pro russian party, which is why you see, in these papers, such an enormous alignment of pro Russia Stance and proDonald Trump stance. So, that is the entire scheme here is to get people to change their view of russia to think that ukraine should actually resolve the war and to give up territory to russia and for americans to be dissatisfied with the current proukraine, profreedom, pronato stance. Its very overt policy that being promulgated here. I really encourage people to read the papers. They are really clear and it Chapter And Verse in black and white. You dont have to take Anyones Word for it. You can see it in blackand white. Andrew weissman, richard stengel, thank you both very much for starting off our coverage tonight. One of the things that is at stake in this eion is that Kamala Harris wants to stop Mass Murderers in this country. Donald trump and republicans in congress want to guarantee that american Mass Murderers remain the best equipped Mass Murderers in the world. That is next. When i was diagnosed with hiv, i didnt know who i would be. But here i am. Being me. Keep being you. 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And, you know, our hearts are with all of the students, the teachers, and their families, of course. We are grateful to the first responders and Law Enforcement that were on the sc. This is just a senseless tragedy, on top of so many senseless tragedies. It is outrageous that everyday in our country, in the united states of america, that parents have to send their children to school worried about whether or not their child will come home alive. It is senseless. We have to stop it. And, we have to end this epidemic of Gun Violence in our country once and for all. It doesnt have to be this way. It doesnt have to be this way. So, we will continue, of course, to send our prayers and thoughts to the families and all those who were affected, including camino, im going off script right now but, listen, i mean you know, last year, i started a College Tour and i traveled our Country Meeting with our young leaders, right, this College Age young leaders. I did trade schools, colleges, universities. I love z. But i will tell you one of the things, one of the things that i ask every time i went to the auditorium, and they fill with these young leaders, students, and i would ask them, raise your hand if, at any point between Kindergarten And 12th grade you had to endure an active Shooter Drill . And, for the young leaders who are here raising their hand, im telling you every time the auditorium was packed and i will speak about myself, behind, i grew up in California Earthquake drills, we had fire drills, but our kids are sitting in a classroom where they should be fulfiing their godgiven potential and some part of their big beautiful brain is concerned about a shooter busting through the door of the classroom. It does not have to be this way. It does not have to be this way. You know, this is one of the many issues is at take in this election. What is at stake in this election is that one candidate, Kamala Harris, wants to stop Mass Murder in this country. The other candidate, Donald Trump, and every single nidate,republican candidate for the senate or the house of representatives, every single one of them along with Donald Trump, wants to guarantee that american Mass Murderers remain the eqipped Mass Murderers in he world. That is there political mission. Todays accused Mass Murderer is a 14yearold who went into his school with an Ar 15 and murdered 214yearold students and two teachers. Donald trump said nothing about the Mass Murder. But, he did have his Staff Issue a short written statement expressing some sympathy for the dead and not a single word of what to do to stop these Mass Murderers in our schools, to stop these Mass Murders in shopping malls, to stop these Mass Murderers in churches, to stop these Mass Murderers and picketers, not one word from Donald Trump or any Republican Today about how to stop what happened in that georgia school today. Vice pResident Harris went to New Hampshire today, which a Trump Campaign Operative recently said is unwinnable by Donald Trump, that comment got that Trump Cpan are fired from the campaign. The Vice President Chosw Hmphire as the place to describe her new economic proposals, including a focus on the development of Small Business Anrestoring the capitol Gains Tax for incomes over 1 Million to 28 , which was the top capitol Gains Tax rate during the booming academic years of the clinton administration. As president , one of my highest priorities will be to strengthen americas Small Businesses. Here i am in the winter to Announe Aew Elements of my plan to do that. So, first, we are going to help more Small Businesses and innovators get off the ground. Heres the thing, on average It Costs about 40,000. 00 to start a new business in america. That is a great financial barrier for a lof folks. It can hold entrepreneurs back. The current Tax Deduction for a start up is just 5000 a vicence, okay . Then you have to make up the delta, you have to figure out how you are going to do hat. Not everyone has access to that kind of wealth and capitol. So, part of my plan is we will expand the Tax Deductios for startups to 50,000. 00. It is essentially a Tax Cut for starting a Small Business. Second, my plan will help existing Small Businesses grow. We will provide low and no Interest Loans to Small Businesses that want to expand and we will, this ivery important, cut the right that can make staand owing a Small Business more difficult than it needs to be, more difficult than it needs to be. Third, my an will invest in Small Businesses and innovators throughout america. We know that challenge exist everywhere in our country from rural towns to city centers. S tat is why i support a billionaire minimum tax and corporations paying their fair share. While We Ensure that the wealthy and big corporations pay their fair share, we will tax Capitol Gains at a rate that rewards investment in americas innovators, founders, and Small Businesses. So, here is he etail. If you earn 1 Million a year or more, the Tax Rate on your longterm Capitol Gains will be 28 under my plan because we know that when the government encourages investment, it leads to broadbased economic growth and it creates jobs, ic makes our economy stronger. Now, compare that to what donald truplans he intends to cut off federal programs that give loans to Small Businesses. He plans to give billionaires massive Tax Cuts and to cut corporate taxes by over 1 ilon, eve as they pull in record profits. His plans will add more than 5 Trillion to the national debt and that is on top of the 2 Trillion Tax Cut he gave them when he was president and when he exploded the deficit. We know how to count. We know how to count. Now, he also wants to impose what, in ef, is a national Sales Tax on everyday products and basic necessities, which will skyrocket the cost of four families and Small Businesses. New hampshire, on top of this, if Donald Trump were to win in november, he intends to end the affordable Care Act. That would significantly increase costs and Small Businesses as we know it. You know what, the courts are going to handle that and we will handle november. How about that . How about that. How about but think about it. He wants to end the affordable Care Act, taking us back to a time when insurance companies could deny people with Pre Eing conditions. You remember what that was . Children with asthma. Cancer survivors . Grandparents with diabetes . Look, we are here to tell him and then we are not going back. Were not going back. We are not coming back. We are not going. In five minutes, you just heard more Policy Detail from Kamala Harris then anyone has ever heard from Donald Trump and his entire political career. Yesterday, the Wall Street Investment bank, goldman sachs, Issued Wrning that has been echoed by every leading Economist Atthe american economy could be severely crippled by Donald Trumps tariff proposals, which Kamala Harris says, in effect, would be a Sales Tax on americans, which would cost of the average mily 4000. 00 a year. Donald trump continues to tell the lie that the tariffs he imposed on chinese goods were paid by china instead of american consumers. He told that lie again tonight in his phony fox town hall. Was 62 days left in the campaign, is there enough time to teach undecided voters how ariffs actually work and that they are paying those tariffs . We will ask California Congresswoman Katie Porter when she joins us, next. Your gut is like a garden growing both good bacteria and bad. That balance is key to a healthy gut environment. Benefibers plantbased prebiotic fiber gently nourishes the good bacteria, working with your body to help your gut, and you, flourish. Effortlessly. Every day. Grow what feels good. With benefiber. You founded your Kayak Company because you love the ocean not spreadsheets. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. Indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. Visit indeed. Com hire how do you keep your teeth so white with all the coffee you drink . My secret Lumineux Whitening strips. I mean, that is white. 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Donald trump just raised those tariffs higher than they had ever been. China never pays tariffs imposed by the american government. Joining unois demcratic representative, Katie Porter, member of the house oversight committee. Returning to teacher porter, two former Law School Professor and teacher, how do we teach voters who actually pays the trump tariffs . I think we just make it very clear, Tariffs Add to the price of goods. It is really that simple. If you are a business and you need to import things and you have to pay a tariff, you have Toake Tha extra expense up. Donald trump brags about how he is the onlypresidt who wants to have skyrocketing tariffs, do you ever stop and think about why that is . It is because other president s, both republican and democrat, understand that tariffs ultimately are damaging to a company, a countrys economy, they make it difficult to compete and they push inflation up. Donald trumps economic policy is a disaster. You dont have to take It Om me. As you said earlier, lawrence, goldmas, not xactly a bastion of liberal, progressive economic policy, Mselves Have said that Donald Trumps tariff policies would cost our economy billions. Kamala harris, as she did more than five minutes of economic Policy Detail today, that is how much we presented here. One of the important Alysia Limits She race was donald rump wanting to kill the affordable Care Act. Talk about how that affects the real economics of peoples lives. Of the foable Care Act doesnt just provide insurance for people regardless of pre existing conditions, it also continues assistance in making those premiums affordable. One of the things the affordable Care Act as if it makes it possible for people to change jobs, to leave jobs, and crucially, to start their own Small Businesses. The word Kamala Harris talk a Lot Today about the importance of Small Business, about plans to invest in Small Businesses. We cant have that Opportunity Economy and the economic growth of people are tied to jobs because of Health Insurance or they are sicon the job because they dont have insurance at all. Congresswoman Katie Porter, one of the best explainers in the history of the house of representatives, thank you for joining our Discussion Tonight. Thank you. Clarence thomas his wife, virginia thomas, has been caught on tape opposing any Ethics Code for her husband while supreme Court Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson have publicly voiced their sport for an Ethics Code for the Supreme Court. That is next with senator sheldon whitehouse. Itehouse. Oh, why leaffilter . Its well designed, efficient, i appreciate that. Leaffilters technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good, guaranteed. What more could you ask for . Call 833. Leaf. Filter today, or visit leaffilter. Com. Your Shipping Manager left to find themself. leaving you lost. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. 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A Binding Code a Binding Code of ethics is pretty standard for judges. So, i guess thequestion is if the Supreme Court is in a different , and i guess i have not seen a persuasive reason as to why the court is different than the other courts. Are you considering supporting an Enforcement Mechanism . I am considering supporting it as a general measure. I will not get into commenting on particular policy proposals, but from my perspective, i dont have any problem with an enforceable. First of all, theres obviously a very big Code Of Ethics for supreme Court Justices, and now, busy thinking people for trying to prevent an enforceable Ethics Code for supreme Court Justices who have obtained Audio Recoings of a lawyer and Kelly Shackelford, the president of the rightwing group first liberty institute, reading, mr. Shackelford, reading mr. Thomas email to him, thanking him for try to block any possible enforcement of ethics at the Supreme Court. I got an email from justice thomas wife. I want o read that to you. She said, great to see you at the meetings today. I cannot adequately experience express enough appreciation for the biden effort on the Supreme Court. Many were so depressed at the lack of response by hours and conservatives, as too many seem to rely on one local lawyer in dc, who is a great individual, but it is just one person for battling in the public square. This is in all caps, you Guys Ve filled the sales of many judges. Can i just tell you this is his thank you so, so, so much. White house rhode island, judiciary committee, calling for Ethics Reform in the united states Supreme Court. Senator, i dont see surprise on your face, i dont think. What did you just hear . Well, no surprise at all, except surprise at just the shamelessness of this operation. I mean, the Reform Effort is to try to allow, among other things, factfinding about what the supreme Court Justice have been up to, and one of the areas we have tried to do Fact Finding is in the activities of letter to leo, or i think theres that one lawyer that she mentioned directed a 25,000 payment, to be exact, another, he said, another 25,000 payment to ginni thomas. So, she is smack in the middle. I guess this is a little bit like January 6th. She is smack in the middle of the trouble. Now, thinking this group for trying to fend off the Reform Effort that would open up the investigations that would lead to her and her husband. I want to play a little bit more of what Kelly Shackelford said, proving what a terrible lawyer he is and how he doesnt understand either how the Supreme Court works or what treason is. Lets listen to this part of it. Justice kagan spoke out to say that she wanted some changes made. So, the headline literally was Resident Harris and Justice Kagan remaking the court. So, that is incredible, and somewhat treasonous what she did. The Chief Justice rules the court, theyre trying to keep the other branches Hands Off of them, then kagan from the inside, really, being somewhat disloyal, somewhat treasonous in what she is doing. So, theyre doing anything in their , hitting from every direction. So, the Chief Justice rules the court, he says, then of course, that it is somewhat treasonous that Ketanji Brown Jackson said what she said about , and What Kagan has said about what she has said. Well, he got pretty much everything wrong in there. It is my proposal to put the ethics regime over at the court, and my proposal is that they would run it. So, is not another branch of government dictating the ethics of the judiciary, it is the judiciary having to take care of its own business, particularly at the Supreme Court, and they act as if this is weird, but every federal judge is under an enforceable Code Of Ethics, where there is actual Factfinding Process where you find out what happens. If you look at the state, 50 for50, they have Supreme Courts with the similar problem of what do you do about policing a misbehaving supreme Court Justice. You know, using the Supreme Court judges. All 50 of them have figured it out. What is unusual here is that members of the Supreme Court have independent factfinding about what theyre up to it. Senders sheldon whitehouse, while Mark Wn here as unsurprised by what we just heard. Thank you very much for joining us again tonight. Thank you. Well be right back. And now im back in the picture. 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