[music] ic]. Today, a federal. Today, a federal judge . Georgia ordered trump to top playing that song, hold on, im coming by isaac hayes, his estate said they did not give him Perin Addition it would be one thing if it was isolated but it is not. For example, trump switched back his music to the Village Peoples ymca it is wildly understood to be an anthem of the gay community. Which the Village People themselves publicly objected to trump using. They have also threatened legal action. In fact, they are just two of the dozens of artists and artist estates that objected to trump using their music. And that list includes abba, adele, aerosmith, aha, the beatles, beyonce, bruce springstein, celine dion. Creedance, earth, wind and fire. Elton john, foo fighters, Guns N rosees, isaac hayes, cohen, linkin park, Neil Young and more. Trump was ordered to stop using one song from one artist would be one thing. There is not the first Song Trump has been asked to stop using, just the first time the matter was settled in actual court. Now, if you were worried about the musical desert that trump seems to be relicated. Even if he were to be illegally barred from playing music from every artist in the world, there will always be the music of his daughterinlaw and the cochair of the Republican Party, Lara Trump. Without your bravery worry out of luck it cant be denied you got to be special. That is right. Despite the fact that she is currently the cochair of the republican national committee, The Rnc, Lara Trump is still actively pursuing a Music Career in the middle of a historically significant president ial election. What i just played there was mrs. Trumps newly released single and Music Video entitled hero which appears to be a tribute to firefighters. The flames getting higher you are My Hero you are My Hero you are climbing up the ladder and the screams get louder youre My Hero youre My Hero. It should be said that Lara Trumps Music Career is not exactly taking off right now. But she is still on tour. Just not as a singer. As cochair of The Rnc, Lara Trump is heading up the parties quote unquote protect the vote tour. We are going to put together the largest most aggressive and comprehensive Election Integrity Operation in the history of American Politics. We have been all across this country. In michigan, pennsylvania, north carolina, georgia, arizona, nevada, wisconsin. It is important to who we are as american that we trust our. You have people every time a vote is cast and every time a vote is counted in the room watching. You will learn here Today Everything you need to know, things you never knew you needed to know about election integrity, about how to be a poll watcher, worker, to work in the tabulation centers. What i can what i can tell you is that as of a month ago The Rnc claimed to have recruited 157,000 volunteers through this effort. Tens of thousands of people who believe the lie that the 2020 election was stolen and who have noun signed up to monitor the 2024 election. What could go wrong . That is where The Rncs priorities are at this moment. The cochair of the party is touring the country to recruit Conspiracy Theorists to monitor the polls and convince the same people to buy her new single. Today, the same time, Harris Campaign kicked off her own tour. The fighting for Reproductive FreedomBus Tour. To under score the stark contrast between where the Harris Campaign and Trump Campaign stand on abortion, it kicked off in Palm Beach, florida. That is where just days ago Palm BeachResident Trump said he would vote against it, appeal the current 6 Week And ShrineAbortion Rights into the states constitution. Are you voting yes or no on amendment four. Six weeks, you need more time, i disagreed with it from the early primaries, i disagreed with it. At the same time the democrats are radical because the nine months is say ridiculous situation. You can do an abortion in the ninth month and you know some of the states like minnesota and other states have it where you can execute the baby after birth. And all of that stuff is unacceptable. So, i will be voting for that reason. That is a lie. Nowhere in the country can you legally execute a baby after birth. But those are the kinds of Lies Trump and republicans are pushing as they move to restrict reproductive rights across the country. This reproductive Freedom Tour is all about calling out the lies and telling voters where Donald Trump and Kamala Harris really stand on the issue of abortion. It is not lost on us that we are just 10 miles from mara lago. Home of one donald j. Trump. He calls it the winter White House. I call it his retirement home. [ cheers and applause ] he is the one, he is the one who got us into this mess. He is the one who is clearly stated, clearly, on video, just last year, that he was proudly the one responsible for overturning roe v. Wade. And florida you are going to hold him to it. Joining me now is democrat and Senator Amy Klobuchar from minnesota, helped kickoff the Bus Tour, focused on reproductive rights and joined by former senator from missouri, democrat, msnbc claire mcclaskal. What a treat. To weigh in on a lot, a lot. Senator klobuchar. It is great to be on with claire again. We want more of it and it has not even started. You are fresh off of the Bus Tour. Yes kicked it off in Palm Beach, florida, can you talk about the response you got and what the mood was like down there in a place that the Trump Campaign is calling Trump Country . Highly energized. This amendment 4 galvanized the people in florida. Just as you saw in kansas, ohio, 13 points, people turned out. Not just democrats, republicans, independents and said no, women should be able to make their own decision about their health care, not politicians. The race in florida there is a key Senate Race down there, the democratic candidate, we have got a number of congressional races down there. And, of course, Kamala Harris race. So, it was a blast to be down there actually with Anna Navarro and other leaders from florida. I think it was brilliant to start it right there, in his backyard, to make the point that he is the one, exhibit a, claire is a prosecutor, she gets this, he is the one that said he wanted to overturn it and put judges on. He put them on and proudly responsible. We rest our case [ laughter ] claire, i want to talk about the stage here a Little Bit. It is not just as the senator points out, a lot of reasons for it to be in Palm Beach and also a critical moment for trump as he goes back and forth on what his position is on abortion. I still marvel at the fact that we are 63 days from the Election And Trump seems to have no idea what to even say on the issue that could be the deciding factor in this election. Reporter yeah, and i am sure my dearest Buddy Amy will agree with me on this, there are issues where candidates evolve over time. Facts change, context changes, and you have a reason why you might take a slight she different or significantly different position on an issue than you might of five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago. But this issue, voters are very suspicious of someone who tries to change their position on this issue. This is about a fundamental freedom. This is rarely about a political win and it is clear that is what trump is doing now. He is trying to save his Position And Lie and saying everybody wanted roe v. Wade to be overturned or we are executing babies or it is okay if the states decide even in a state like mine [broken audio ] i think we are having audio problems. Connectivity issues with you senator mccaskill. We will get back to you. This is my dream. I can not speak for claire. I will just fill in what she was going to say. She did mention the executing Babies Thing which is rebeated by those on the right. Do you ever run into voters, i mean, that are convinced that is something that happens. Do they think that is really something that the republican guarding against. When trump puts out this misinformation out there, there are people that believe it, innocent people that believe it, they hear it, think it is true. It is not true, that is murder. I think the bigger point that claire was also making is that one out of three women now, when you look at what is going on here, live in states that have these extreme bans, in florida it is six weeks, a lot of women dont know they are pregnant by six weeks and trump said on thursday, six weeks is too early. The Inco Incoherence here, not just trump, it is every day, if it is tuesday there is an unusual j. D. Vance stance on a cultural issue. He wrote a forward to a book that effectively says, abortion should become unthinkable in the united states. It would, like to ban ivf for those seeking to have families. And Jd Vance has a different position on Ivf And Abortion for me i look at his vote on the senate floor. I was there, i voted too. He had an opportunity that two republican seized, Susan Collins and Lisa Mckowski to make it clear they stood with ivf and protect it and what was happening in alabama. He voted the other way. Did not vote to protect ivf. You not only have project 2025, and everything in it with banning mifepristone. When someone gives you a Playbook Look at it, that is what they are going to use. And the fact that this has continued and you can go back in time and see other statements he has made. But i just look at that vote. I know what that vote meant. You have them on record doing these things. Claire, we began the segment talking about the number, the overwhelming number of musical artists that want nothing to do with trump, you can not play my music there. It is not just unfortunate for the Trump Campaign but evidence of a campaign that is so squarely outside of mainstream culture, right . Most people want nothing to do with this person. There is some section of the Republican Party that very much does, but on whole, they have moved that they painted themselves into the far, far corner of not just American Politics but American Culture at large. Reproductive freedom and Bodily Atonomy is a signpost of that. Yeah, but alex, he has kid rock. How can you not win with kid rock. Listen, he has a huge chunk of this country that is buying what he is selling. We need to pay attention to that. We need to understand that grievance is a real thing in the united states right now. And that is what trump is marketing. He is marketing grievance. Negativity, our country is horrible, our country sucks, we are a dead country. And, unfortunately there are way too many people that are in that place where they see that negativity and they say, yeah, he gets me. But, i will tell you, the majority of this country wants to believe that tomorrow will be better. And once someone who has a more joyous, positive outlook on everything that makes our country just extraordinary. I do think he not only has losing musicians on his campaign which there are only a couple and i think it is a stretch to call some of them musicians he has a message, i think, that will not move the voters that decide president ial elections. Those voters that amy knows well in minnesota and certainly the only way i could get elected in missouri, that is those voters that dont vote by party, more independent, make up their mind based on their lives at that moment and the candidates that represent them. You have the republicans that spoke at the convention in chicago, democratic convention, former trump employees, what you are seeing right now, jimmy mccain today, John Mccains youngest son who served in the military. Republicans and independents coming out. That is why you are seeing a surge in the Swing States. Do you think that this is, this election will be divided along Gender Lines . You look at the Polling And Trump is doing so badly among women. Look at what is happening on the central issue of Bodily Atonomy, effects women and men have a stake in this. Do you see a massive Gender Divide . Always has been some divide. I am not sure that is what is determining it. I am looking at what claire had just talked about. These independent voters and moderate republicans and where they are and dont want to go back to the dark days. They dont want to go back to the insurrection, they dont want to go back to the assaults on our democracy and our freedom. You see a lot of democrats reaching out right now to republicans and independents who are not comfortable and never want to be associated with trump. We will talk about that in the next block. So, thank you for teeing that up. Are you selling albums on your Bus Tour . No, no, just selling joy, optimism and getting stuff done and maybe a Little Bit of freedom, too. Senator amy klobuchar, I Wish You The Best Of Luck on the Bus Tour. Former senator mccaskill, come back again. We love having you on the program. Coming up, trump said he had every right to interfere in the 2020 election as he pleads not guilty to his January 6th criminal indictment. 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Plus ask how to get up to a 500 prepaid card. Call today . I am. I am a two time Trump Voter in 2024 i can not support Donald Trump. Trump is 100 . Responsible for January 6th. Treatment of woman is disgusting. Called Servicemen Suckers and losers. If he has a second term it will be worse than the first. Harris is a prosecutor, he is a convicted felon. In 2024, i will be proudlY Voting for Kamala HarrisY Voting for Kamala Harris. Starting. Starting today, that, that message will be broadcasted to voters in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin and arizona and nebraska. There are also these billboards which will blanket the key Swing States as part of an 11. 5 Ad Blitz from republican voters against trump. Now, joining me is the director of voters against trump. And sara longwell. It is great to see you. I am so eager to hear more about the project. And, really, specifically because you know better than most people, who exactly is this sort of Target Audience here. Is this the vestage of the nickiy Haley CoNicaraguay Nikki Haley voter . Some of those voters were already biden voters last time. Some of them were going to go home to trump and then there is that group that prior to Joe Biden dropping out we were calling the double haters. These people really do Hate Trump but they thought Joe Biden was too old. And the thing about these voters is, they are kind of rightleaning independents and soft gop voters. They dont identify as democrats, that is the tough part, that is where you got to build a Permission Structure for people like this who just do not see the dems as their natural tribe. So say, you know what . I am so tired of Donald Trump. I am so over the lies about the election, January 6th was a Red Line for me. Abortion is now a primary issue for me. Any sort of combination of those things can drive that voter to say, this time i am out on trump. But, one of the things we did with this campaign, we specifically went and found hundreds and hundreds of people who had voted for trump, everybody who is part of our campaign, voted for trump at least once. Many of them have done it twice. And i think it is important for people to understand these voters, there are a lot of people that held their nose and voted for trump, for whatever reason, not wild about him, January 6th was the thing that pushed them over the edge. And the fact that the Republican Party decided that they are going to go, again, with Donald Trump. There is just a lot of the voters that is a, this is too much. Then, once you gave them Somebody Sort of new, like Kamala Harris, they basically were like, you know what, im in, i am in for the optimism, done with the Doom And Gloom and ready to come out and be advocates, those people can create the best kind of Permission Structure for other people who are on the fence who are kind of looking for a reason to vote against Donald Trump. They are not that comfortable voting for democrats but when they see people from their own tribe, the people that made the same decisions say i can do it with harris, i can vote for her. That is the kind of thing that helps people sort of make that move. Can we talk about the strategy behind the campaign itself. I know you are going up with these billboards at least in major metro areas and key Swing States, pittsburgh, harrisburg, philadelphia, pennsylvania, Grand Rapids in detroit. Madison, milwaukee, wisconsin, Phoenix And Omaha for the second congressional district and my lord do we hope it does not come down to that vote. You said these are folks that do not feel like part of the democratic tribe. When i think about those places i think of them as democratic strong holds. Are they hanging out in blue areas of the Swing States . No, this is a great question. Actually. So, in most of these, these are the what are called dmas. These are the places where you advertise and that is what how do i explain this, yes, the name of the cities but where we are concentrated in our advertising is really in the suburban areas that ring those cities. That is where these persuadable voters are talking bucks county, to reach them you have to go into the dma, the biggest city in the area. So our focus is not to hit those blue voters that are concentrated in the metro areas but really in the rings around there. We are doing a surround sound campaign. Not only are we up on television but we are very, very narrowly targeted with digital, with something called ctv, it is on your hulu and other places where you stream. We are on radio. We are trying to hit people with a lot of different voices but all of whom are sort of, a lot of the collegeeducated suburban voters who were the persuadable voters that made up the margins in the last key elections. I got to ask because, Chris Hayes was talking about this and rightly so in the last hour and i have been thinking about it a lot. Pennsylvania. It seems like this is the, as it was in 2020, pennsylvania has 19 electrical college electoral votes, how much work needs to be done in that state for democrats. You are going up with these billboards in three cities in pennsylvania. Reporter yeah, pennsylvania is the tipping point state. You know, i was, i was originally a big advocate for choosing Governor Shapiro as the Vp Candidate because i thought in such a way it was to lock it up. I dont Think Walz was a bad Choice But Nothing more important than pennsylvania. You can see in terms of Trump Spending and Harris Spending that is what everyone is battling over. It is a state that has a lot of these urban areas that then do have suburban rings around them. A lot of the rings are the kinds of places that moved from red to blue over the last decade that trump has been on the seam. That is where the voters are moving. Political realigning out of the Republican Party and are becoming more willing to vote for democrats. These are people where previously they would vote for John Mccain and mitt romney. Trump has been pushing them out of the party. But it also has a lot of rural areas which is where i grow up in Central Pennsylvania where trump dominates with voters. This is why it is so important. I think you got to get Tim Walz to the rural areas, you have to have him talking directly with voters. Pennsylvania is the ball game. We will spend a ton of money there but so is everybody else. To say the least. Sara, a wealth of information. Founder of republican voters against trump, publisher of the Bowl Work and all of the must listen podcasts thank you for your time. Thanks for having me. Coming up, while trump contemplates On Putting Musk in a future White House cabinet. The country of brazil is shutting down Elon Musk and his farright free for all. Trump officially put in a not guilty plea, and saying he had every right to engage in election interference. Author of a new book about the Justice Department joins me to talk about trumps weaponization of the Justice System and what to expect next t im trevor and i lost 132 pounds on golo. At 26 years old my doctor wanted to put me on medication and i wasnt having that. I tried other diets and they just didnt work didnt last. Release worked fast. After a week i had more energy, mental clarity, and my cravings were gone. 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What stuns me about the book is not just the political polarization it is having, you know, trumps hopeful effect that is stymieing the investigation and the prosecution of potential crimes but the degree to which the department of justice has been deeply, and it sounds like profoundly effected by trump. Can you talk about what the mood is inside the doj right now . So, the focus of the book is the average Career Prosecutors that work at the doj and agents that work at the fbi and moral is low. They feel like they are stuck in the middle. They feel like the Justice Department and fbi are being asked to resolve the political differences. We were talking before, an assumption among liberal critics of trump if he was indicted and brought to trial he would be convicted and discredited politically and that would be The End of it. It turns out that the legal system is not the easiest way to resolve the political differences. You are a lawyer by design. Yes. A former president , it turns out, can delay and it is difficult and we can talk more about it, you have a recent Supreme Court decision, it is complicated on immunity. So, i would say if there is a second Trump Term there probably will be less civil servants that fight it. Many did, many heroic stories in the book. I think he will be embolden on how he uses the departments. What is interesting about the extraordinary, extraordinarily slow pace is that maybe it is not a surprise. I think people were primed to believe it could happen. Especially after the jan 6th Committee showed the american public all of this evidence. It has not happened quickly, right . Not just the Supreme Court. A delay at the department of justice in bringing the charges, do you think that Merrick Garland understood it would take a long time . I think he did. It is part of the two realities that we live in now. There is sort of a Trump Support Universe and then there is a Trump Opponent Sort of democrat universe. Garland believes in the Justice Department, in the last 50 years there has been a pride and it being independent. That an Attorney General carries out the Brood Policies of a democratically elected president , when it comes to individual cases the president stays out of it. Trump defied that, defiled that, and paid little political cost. What was interesting is that it helped him in the primaries as you just talked about. A view that this was somehow charging him, it would be a political silver bullet. And it wasnt. And, it. It hasnt. And do you think there is any regret on the party of the ag about the Time Line upon which this unfolded. If you can not speak to that, what nowed in of the doj . You mentioned moral is low, you also mentioned that there seem to be camps, protrump and anti trump which is not something we think of with the Justice Department. Yes, one of the beginning part, before the search in mar alago, they are worried. They think if they do it will play in trumps, one guy said mo. His conspiracy theory, the fbi is victimizing him. Another camp of doj officials and more senior officials like we have to do this. He has had all of these chances. It got to the point where one part of the group is looking at the other groups political donations. Hyperpartisanship. Extends inside it is seeping inside Law Enforcement investigations. I just want to emphasize, i did not find anyone who was wildly prorepublican or prodemocrat, they take their duty seriously. They try to be nonpartisan. I found like for our democracy to function we need nonpartisan. Counting elections fairly and judges and police and journalists that are nonpartisan and presenting facts. The problem now is that the public is more and more cynical about it. This constant attack. Polls say about 75 of voters have little to no confidence in the Justice Department and 85 of republicans, again, there are heroes in this book, there are people trying to do the right thing, you know, and we think it is a monumental election if it stays in their hands and the trials go forward that will be a Stress Test David rohd,e, thank you for writing this. Coming up, this extraordinary step one country is taking against Elon Musk, that is Coming Up usp get fast, Allday Relief of your worst allergy symptoms like nasal congestion. live claritin clear. [ ] did you know, theres a detergent that gets your dishes up to 100 clean, even in an older dishwasher . Try cascade platinum plus. For sparkling clean dishes even on the toughest jobs. Just scrape, load and youre done. Switch to cascade platinum plus. When did i Call Leaffilter . When i saw my gutters overflowing onto my porch. 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Now, as much as that all seems unprecedented, a new book by Cnns Dana Bash because the echoes between louisianas extra ordinary election of 1872 and the political turmoil of the day, including allegations of Election Fraud and officials trying to hold onto power by any means and political violence. Joining me now is dana bash, cnns chief political Correspondent And Coauthor of the new book americas deadliest election, the Cautionary Tale of the most violent election in american history. It is so lovely to have you. Thank you for joining me. Congratulations on the book. We all heard the title, we were like americas deadliest election . It is not about January 6th, 2020. It is about 1872 and 1876. For people not familiar with this extra ordinary moment in american history, can you talk a little about what the crosscurrents were in 1872 . It was reconstruction. And, the country was trying to figure out how to come together. In the south, what it meant was you had many, many new voters, freed men. The election before hand in 1870, carpetbaggers came down, particularly one who is in the book who became governor, henry warmest, and he realized there was a lot of opportunity with these new voters. He said all the right things and, at the time, he probably meant to them or they thought he did. He won, He Won huge with all these new votes. The next election, the segregationists in the south, the racists, southern democrats said okay, we cant let this happen again because our way of life is bad enough without slaves, its going to get even worse. So, they begin to realize The Way to stop their way of life from changing is to disenfranchise those voters at the Ballot Box and they did it with intimidation, they did it with fear, they did it with violence, they did it with murder. The result was a completely corrupted election and there were two governor candidates, neither of whom would concede. Both of whom were then inaugurated by their own people. The same goes for the legislatures, two slates of legislatures, judges and so forth. There was complete chaos. The violence was so bad there was a horrible, horrific massacre. I didnt learn about this in school, did you . It is a massacre in every sense. 150, at least 150 black men were killed in cold blood. In an effort to find justice for them, the federal government stepped in to try the perpetrators, the murderers on civil rights charges. It backfired because it went to the Supreme Court and what the Supreme Court said in a now famous statement, the federal government has no right in civil rights on the State Level and we got Jim Crow for 100 years. Then we get Jim Crow. First of all, by The Way, the 1876 president ial election is subsequently affected by all the chicanery that unfolds in louisiana. That is for later on in the book. What is staggering about the moment is it is this hinge point. The country is supposed to be going down the road of reconstruction and creating more equitable democracy. And, precisely the opposite happens. When you are writing this book with david fisher, were you thinking about this moment today, as the Supreme Court is intervening, as we are questioning what it means to be an american, who gets to participate in the process, who doesnt . What parallels did you see between then and now . So many parallels. The fundamental parallel is what happened when people dont trust our Electoral System. Back then people didnt trust the Electoral System because they shouldnt, because it was corrupted and it was, they were disenfranchising people who should have been allowed to vote. And, there was a real crosscurrents. Now, it is people dont trust the Electoral System because half of the country is told that they shouldnt trust the Electoral System, not because we have seen evidence to prove and that made its way through the courts, i dont have to tell you or your viewers, in 2020. It is a lesson of what we need to understand about the importance of these systems to being strong. I dont know that we learned the lesson. I hope we learn the lesson from the last time around but subsequently, we have seen new laws in place in states still control the Electoral System that im not sure that they are going to make it easier for people to vote. I think right now, it doesnt look so good in terms of in franchising the voters who need to be heard, probably, more than most given the history. I think this is sort of like really