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Newly published photograph should a light on the massacre in iraq that the military tried to keep hidden. Lets do it. Today, Hundreds Of Thousands of protesters flooded the streets of Tel Aviv with the threat of shutting down the country unless they finally agree to a deal to release the hostages with hamas and they are calling for a general strike. Many inside israel have reached a Boiling Point with the Prime Minister after the israeli military recover the dead bodies of six hostages from gaza identified. One was an american citizen held under hamas activity. I spoke to his parents last Week And Spoke of the possibility of bringing them home. They joined me following their appearance at the dnc describing spending nearly 11 months in an excruciating state of limbo where every day they hope to not receive word that their son had been killed. We kind of live in this parallel universe that many People Cant begin to imagine. We ourselves cant begin to imagine it and we are in this universe with me, our only son missing for these 324 days. We had one time that we have seen him and it was for a two Minute Video where he was reading a script. So it is really very torturous and and anxiety riddled existence. Before the news last night, his parents said they had not received any updates on his sons whereabouts since they released that video. In a Statement President biden said he was devastated and outraged by his Death And Today the Prime Minister double down solely blaming hamas for the loss of the hostages even as Israels Opposition Government and Hundreds Of Thousands of protesters asked him to set aside his ego and make a deal. The United States has a stake in all of this beyond its quote special relationship with israel. There are several hostages who havent returned home after being captured by hamas. Earlier today i spoke with jonathan, and israeliamerican, whose son is still held in gaza by hamas. Thank you for joining us. I know its been a long and difficult day for you and so many others. I did want to start by asking you if you had heard any updates on the Whereabouts Or Condition of your son either from the american or israeli government over the last few months . No. Unfortunately, i have not. The last solid information we had came in late november or early december and from some of the women in teenagers who were released during the first round of the negotiations, which freed about 100 hostages overall and of those, 40 were from a small Farming Community on the border of gaza so some of the women and children were able to tell us they encountered him and some of the people from our area and at the time he was alive and wounded but that was several lifetimes ago and that is the way it feels. I know there are protests taking place all across the Country Escalating in israel as we speak. We expect more tomorrow. A lot of the anger of these protesters is targeted at the Government Or Cabinet of the Prime Minister for his failure to bring the hostages back and failure to secure a Ceasefire Deal. At this point, do you agree with the focus being squarely on the Prime Minister . Do you believe he is a once the release of the hostages and it being achieved . I have been highly critical of the Prime Minister and his wartime policies particularly around this Hostage Crisis and for many months now. There is clearly a part of the israeli government is or is not playing to complete the negotiation process. That said, we are in this place because of what hamas perpetrated on october seven. By massacring somewhere in the neighborhood of 1400 israelis and taking Hostage 240 and perpetrating mass destruction, hamas set off this horrific chain of events that could have ended at any time starting on october eight simply by releasing the hostages. Hamas could release the remaining 101 hostages in one hour and this would end. Sadly, we dont have an adversary like that who is in the realm of humane so we have to deal with the adversary we have which, again, that of the Negotiating Partner we have and this has been pretty steadfast with negotiating in good faith and certainly getting yes on our part and then to force hamas to say yes or no at the end of the day. Why do you believe, if i may, the israeli Government Isnt Negotiating in good faith as you say . I think in any case it is difficult to negotiate with a fundamentalist terror organization. This isnt even a rogue state. This is a ban of criminals for all intents and purposes and governments dont really know how to do that. We have mediators and that is true. They have done amazing work. At the other end of this, we still have is a terrorist organization that clearly has no regard for the lives of israelis or palestinians for that matter. And from the outset, this was always going to be a difficult thing to accomplish. But i think there is No Doubt at this point, or almost No Doubt, the israeli government and their Prime Minister are driven at least as much by their own personal, political interests and political survival as they are by interests in ending this war. Instead, pursuing the most radical visions of this tiny pocket of far right nationalist politicians that hold our government, the israeli government, in a kind of stranglehold because of Coalition Politics that is our political system. What would you say to the critics of those that say if you get a Ceasefire Deal now and hamas continues to exist after a deal and the release of hostages, you will find yourselves in another october seven situation down the road . Hamas has said they would do october seven over again and right now there are those who say if you take your foot off the pedal and not destroy them completely, even if it is at the detriment of hostages inside gaza, you will live to have more attacks and more terrorism from the Gaza Strip . Look. We are dealing with a very specific country here, israel. We do need to understand as israelis and most of us do that the country was created in 1948 for the express purpose of not killing our neighbors as the first order of business and as a matter of selfdefense of course but the first order of business is to protect our own citizens. Our citizens in the south of the country were abandoned by our government and sadly by our army on october seven and it is inconceivable for any reason to allow them to be abandoned a second or third time and be allowed to die in captivity, which is the pattern over the course of the last few weeks with 12 bodies, 12, is really hostages, whom we know for a fact were live for months and hamas a committee captivity. And their bodies were returned by the israeli army. This isnt an infinite question. We must act now to bring them home now. And Israeli Society itself, aside from what may be a legitimate security discussion, Israeli Society itself is coming apart at the seams of how this government has been handling the Hostage Crisis. The same government that began some of this social dissolution in israel starting in january of 23. And then on october six before the attack in the massacre by hamas, Israeli Society was holding on by a thread in terms of its Coherence And Solidarity because of the wedges that this same government had been driving into our society. Now, with the betrayal that so many israelis feel around the hostage issue, our society will never recover if we cant get as many of them home as possible of the 101 and bring the remains home to be reunited with their families for those already murdered. Jonathan, our thoughts and prayers are with you and all of the families going through this horrible situation. We do pray for the immediate and safe Relief Release of your son. Thank you for joining us tonight. Next, Donald Trumps favorite legal game is paying off but at what cost to the american people . American people . To see how much you can save. Are these my only lines . They sure are with the Freestyle Libre 3 system know your Glucose Levels. No fingersticks needed. 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Last month you got the Manhattan Das office sending a letter to the judge declaring it would defer to the court and whether Donald Trump should be sentenced before the election. Is that the das way of trying to wipe their hands clean of political ramifications . I believe you are correct, ayman. It is their responsibility and they have to defer to the court. It is the ultimate decider and it is open to having the opinions of both sides. The Trump Team of course said delay, delay, delay. In my opinion, there isnt a reason for a delay in the sentencing and the sentence can always be shortened or lengthened after the fact. It should go ahead and there isnt a reason why these things that took place during his presidency which related to his personal Conduct And Liability should impact the outcome so the immunity Decision Shouldnt be a key issue. You say he could evade sentencing for ever and i would have to challenge that by saying he could delay it. But eventually he will get sentenced. Even if this means there has to be a retrial because the court somehow said that some evidence came in at the Supreme Court in the Immunity Decision said couldnt come in even as to personal, private, political conduct that is not in any Way Part of his official duties. If he does impose a Prison Sentence, it is tricky because on one hand it tarnishes his image and hold them accountable but on the other hand it makes him political speaking a martyr to a space which we know he is exploited in the past. How do you see that balance . All of Donald Trumps legal troubles up to now have benefited him politically and this is surprising certainly. A lot of people predicted including republican rivals that this would throw him off track and give people like Nikki Haley and run the Sentence Ron desantis an opportunity. Look. Right now the way this race is going, Vice President harris has a lot of momentum. The race is focused on her as a change agent. I think of Donald Trumps legal troubles start coming Front And Center again, that may actually end up helping him. I think the Status Quo is very healthy for Vice President harris and the more Donald Trump has the attention on him, the more he can portray himself as a victim of the political establishment and the better he tends to do in polling. This could go both ways. What are your thoughts on this . If trump wins in november, he will use whatever power he has to make as many of his legal woes go away. I think you are absolutely right. If he does win in november, not only will project 2025 go into effect, we will see the former president or then new president again basically try to wipe away all of his legal issues. On top of that i think his Delay Tactics will have been effective because he will be in office again. With that said, its one of the primary reasons he runs and not so much he wants to be leader of the free world as much is that is he knows he has legal woes at his back. I do agree what was said a few seconds ago. This is something the former president has used time and again to bolster his base. He has a habit of turning himself into a Martyr Up to and including showcasing means on true social as him like jesus being attacked and his base eats it up and he will use it as a weaponization of the Justice Department and now he wants to say biden is setting him up as much as Kamala Harriss but he runs the risk of doing something now, further isolating women, moderate voters who have not only seen this but also watching what will be the prosecutor. I think it sets up that narrative a little bit more as well. This week there was a Superseding Indictment submitted making changes to fall in line with the Supreme Courts Immunity Ruling and they have opposing timelines moving forward. What would be a realistic timeline for the judge to set. I think the one set by smith is a reasonable amount and this is a case like the facts are obvious and the Superseding Indictment eliminates all the references to any conduct by Trumps President and makes clear the indictment allegations relate to trump as candidate. There is no immunity for the Candidate Trump and even the Vice President is identified as the president of the senate, not as the Vice President. It means that conversations with the president of the senate are not part of the official duties. I think it was a Genius Move on the part of smith to clear it up and make it easy for the judge to now look at the evidence, to have a hearing, see what would be presented to the american people to see that evidence that there is a hearing, and to be able to see what they wont get to see at a trial before we get to the election. I do want to go back to the other question. It is being portrayed as a Win Win whether Donald Trump is sentenced before the election. I think it is a win for the people if it is. It would show Accountability And Justice being done. It is a win for him in terms of his followers. He will either be, as you said a martyr for that will enrage his followers or he wont get sentenced or do something really minor. He will be able to say to his followers who believe it was a big nothing burger. I think we need to see the sentencing happen. A Law Professor took 2x to x and said Jack Smith had the Trump Jump through hoops and do you share that conclusion . Certainly, the courts Immunity Ruling really opened up a new chapter in american history. We have been talking about the imperial presidency for a few decades now and this takes it to a whole new level. I think there will be some true constitutional conservatives there that i think will end up regretting his decision because they have expanded the president s powers in a way that i think our founding fathers would absolutely find shocking. I do think the legal system processes that ruling and the more they do, the more the dangers will be exposed. Lets talk about the sentencing in the hush Money Case. Last Month Trump asked the judge to delay sentencing after Election Day and this week he tried to get it moved to a federal court. Giving all these motions do you think we will see this as scheduled on September 18 . Unfortunately, no. I think that Delay Tactic will work and i dont think right now we will see anything happen before September 18 and that is like 2 1 2 weeks away. I dont think that is possible if anybodys calendar. He was looking forward to it not being and he wants to be in the Campaign Trail and he doesnt want to have the next debate but he definitely wants to be on the Campaign Trail doing anything than having the News Carry conversations about his cases. That hurts him even though he could bolster his base he knows he needs more than that to win. At this rate he is doing whatever he can to push the things and thus far successful. Do we expect to see anything, any sentencing, in the next few weeks were before the election . It is scheduled for September 18. I was just making the argument that for the people, for justice, for accountability, it should proceed on September 18. I cant predict that, especially with that i wont take a position on this sentencing. Its probably something that the judge may take advantage of and postpone the sentencing. Thank you so much. Please stick around. Next up what President Trump did to himself and we will explain. Explain. 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That is Vice President harris in her first Sit Down interview saying her presidency would turn the page of the last decade of trumpism, part of a strategy to paint Donald Trump as the incumbent rather than the challenger. It has clearly rattled Donald Trump who posted on his social media platform, she and her handlers are trying to make it sound like i am the incumbent president so they can blame me for the failure of the past four years. It was their failure. This would carry some weight if he hadnt spent the last few years acting like he is the current president. If you are living overseas any casual observer of American Politics, i couldnt even blame you he never left the White House after all he didnt try to leave but whether it was fake president ial feels that is properties or flying around on his Trump Force one he likes to believe or act like he is still president of the United States especially when he conducts official president ial business out of his house and after being exiled he immediately started holding regular meetings there with high profile republicans which is where he worked under others to kill the bipartisan Border Bill and where he met Speaker Johnson and thought out this Photo Opportunity and a full Opportunity And Endorsement from President Trump to hold off and attempt to oust him for speaker and he also hosts foreign dignitaries there almost as if he is president of the United States or something. And march the hungarian Prime Minister met him at his house in Florida Snubbing A Sit Down with the actual president , Joe Biden. And trump sat down with the Prime Minister of israel to discuss the war and there is a fact he hates to be referred to as the former president. Last we keep brought his exploits to Arlington National Cemetery in what has been nothing short of a pr nightmare. The next time trump wants to say he isnt running of the incumbent, he may want to blame himself for spending the last four years as a Shadow President of sorts. My panel joins me after this break. Break. Or lightheadedness, can come and go. But if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. If you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. Making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. This is no time to wait. Why do couples choose a Sleep Number Smart Bed . I need it a little cool and i need it a lot of cool. Were both cool like that. Ahead of stroke risk. 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It also times into the Policy Actions he put in motion up to and including the Troop Pullout in afghanistan and we have to be very serious that Donald Trump who first and foremost never fully admitted to losing in 2020 and with that being said i also think it is smart for the Harris Campaign to be charging this on because this is a guy who has the top brass of the republican party in this year alone have had him at his house and were talking about the Prime Minister of israel and the Prime Minister of turkey and he is acting he is either in a diplomatic role or he is a pseudo but also so he cant run away and create a campaign where he is essentially a fresh start and i think that what he has tried to do and successfully did the first go around is showcase himself as a nonpolitician, somebody who wasnt washington, fresh and new and nothing to do with the political spirit. He cant do that now. He served four years and we saw what it was and we know that his handprint is all over 2025 and he is acting like he is in an elected office. It is one thing for trump to say he isnt the incumbent and we know its actually true but it doesnt change the fact that he is operating or operated the last few years as a Shadow President and acting as a kingmaker for his party and working against Bidens Agenda and you think about the Immigration Debacle and there was bipartisan support for that reform and he said he would support and sign it and Donald Trump vetoed his party from advancing that bipartisan bill, one of many examples how he had a stranglehold over the republican party even though he is no longer in any elected office. Ayman, i think the point the Vice President made in that clip of the interview you showed is probably the most powerful argument she has, the most powerful instrument she can brandish ahead of the selection. It isnt just in the republican party. We think back about 10 years and all of American Politics has in some way revolved around Donald Trump. What did he say today and who did he insult . How is he undermining the biden administration . How is he undermining people in his own party . That argument she made about turning the page, i think a lot of americans, particularly swing voters and we know that both parties have their basin Donald Trump has a very strong base and so does Vice President harris. But the people who will decide this election in those key swing states, those still undecided voters, with them this idea of turning this page this ugly difficult page in american political history were we have had so much turmoil, so much negativity, so many insults of those being hurled all across the spectrum, but really with Donald Trump being the Focal Point of all of that, this argument is very powerful about turning the page. I think that is why, even though she is an incumbent Vice President. She has passed herself off as a change candidate. The chance of them not going back were very powerful. It is hard to deny that even though trump has been out of office for four years were still living with the impact of his presidency. Also his refusal to concede the election and mishandling of the Covid Pandemic that brought about inflation and caused the deaths of thousands of americans, how can he run away from that record and by painting the selection is a chance to move forward and not go back, do we finally close this chapter on the presence of trump in American Politics over the last 10 years . He could run away from it if people dont ask the questions you did. For the most part, if he can frame his own narrative because he loves to talk in front of the press and he loves to tell his own story which is running a complete front to actual facts but people allow him to get away with it. As long as they asked the questions, i think it will get to the point where it starts and you have to get there quickly because we have a few months with early voting and it is very important to acknowledge that trump set the wheels in motion for a disastrous economic recovery and thankfully Joe Biden in the Biden Ministration have worked fervently to decrease inflation and make sure these jobs are available and turn it into infrastructure. We do know that Donald Trump in his level best to undo democracy at every turn and we know he had a plan to do it after and took shape in states across the country and is working to nullify the vote in georgia right now even though the Election Hasnt even taken place and he appointed the Supreme Court justices and who would overturn Roe V wade and meanwhile he said he wants to support ivf omit the government pay for it. There is a Donald Trump we need to put on blast for the record he created in the deaths or as result of the record with the truth behind the man who continues to lie and that is the job of journalists and those consuming and meanwhile we watch. It will be a very hard thing because Donald Trump is known to lie and lie again but i do think it is very important that we continue to push forward and acknowledge what could happen with a new Trump Administration that will have more people in place to get the job done and in addition he wants those things back to the states on purpose because he created a State Government in many places that is amplified because of the policies and many things that will totally make them become their own kingdom and i think its important we talk about that as well because these people are working to nullify elections and people who have worked diligently to stop medicaid or people have worked a fight against the things done by the current administration to make sure people have good schools and Healthcare And Economy and Donald Trump has to be held accountable to those things. Lets talk about this Arlington Stunt that got worse and the u. S. Army had to put out a rebuke of the campaign concerning they knowingly violated the rules by using it for Campaign Purposes and even when he tried to he couldnt help himself. That is right. What a change from about a month ago and Donald Trump had put together a string of legal victories. He was doing well politically and he survived that and there was a lot of goodwill around him or for him right after that in our country. He has squandered that all away and ever since he had the nominating speech at his convention, it has been downhill for Donald Trump. He has been on defense every day and faced criticisms from people in his own party and for his shifting this and Abortion Issue and the way he has criticized Vice President harris. If you are a politician at arlington cemetery, it is hard to imagine that something would go wrong there, but even there they managed to create this controversy and overstepped bounds as if he was president of the United States. He is getting criticism for it. Donald trump is on a bad streak. I dont see how he can turn it around anytime soon and time is running out. As the military said, 3000 visits per year to Arlington National Cemetery and not a single incident until Donald Trump showed up. Thank you to the both of you and i greatly appreciate your insight as always. For years the u. S. Military fought to keep images from iraq from public view but efforts from journalists have brought them to life. Since when is one enough for you that is true. Get your head out of the sand trap, switch to tmobile and get four iphone 15s on them and four lines for just 25 a line. And you can save on every plan versus the other big guys. [glass shattering] Swing Big at tmobile. Get four iphone 15s on us. And four lines for 25 a line. Fore announcer what if you could whiten your teeth by simply brushing your teeth . 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Us on the on the morning of november 19, 2005, two years into the invasion of iraq, a squad of American Marines exploded a device as they drove down a road and it killed one marine and injured two others but at that point they have become a Weapon Of Choice but what happened over the next several hours with spark one of the largest Work Crime Investigations Nus History and for years the military work to keep this from The Public Eye but thanks to an investigation of New Yorkers In The Dark the podcast, we now have Photographs Proof of the horror of what unfolded nearly 20 years ago. We are about to show you these photos. As a warning, they are extremely graphic. The New Yorker published these photos with the permission of the surviving Family Members of the dems in what would later be known as a massacre the marines killed 24 iraqi civilians including women and children and the youngest victim was a threeyearold girl, the oldest a 76yearold man. Four marines were charged with murder, charges that have since been dropped. Turning me now to discuss this is the Lead Reporter and host of In The Dark podcast. It is great to have you with us and thank you for joining us. One of the questions you set out to answer with this investigation was why nobody has been punished for these crimes and walk us through what you learned. What if you found out in your reporting and why has there been no accountability since that massacre . I should say we spent four years doing an exhaustive dive into the story and we reviewed Tens Of Thousands of documents and talk to people and we found that this was really a case handled is all u. S. War crimes are, inhouse. Ultimately the us military substance that despite evidence opted to dismissed charges against three of them and resulted in the final charge with the Squad Leader of the squad accepting a Plea Deal that carries no Prison Sentence and the leader and his lawyer said it was the equivalent of a traffic ticket. Talk to us about the process of having these photographs released and the hoops you had to jump through. I know your team filed a freedom of Information Act Request with the navy years ago and i believe it was four years ago. But what finally gave way for them to be released . What you think of The Ultimate Public Good of releasing them . Like you said, we filed this first one in 2020 and it wasnt getting anywhere so we ended up working with a Law Firm out of chicago, an amazing team there who sued the military to try to get this information for not only the photographs but the whole record of this in the File And Prosecution records and all of it. And we did anticipate a problem. We knew in the past the military had claimed as a reason to keep these photos secret that releasing them may traumatize the Family Members of the people depicted in the photos. We were anticipating that concern with the military and what we ended up doing is talking to Family Members of the dead in iraq and say what you think about having these photographs made public and how do you feel about it . You know, i did talk personally to two men who had lost Family Members that day. They both said they wanted the reporters on our team to have these photos to examine them. Those two men did something remarkable and went house to house and brought a form that would release this to us to the other surviving Family Members and explain the reporting and explain why we wanted the photos and collected of a 17 signature total. We did work with iraq He Researchers and reporters so it is a Team Effort but ultimately led by the survivors here saying clearly they wanted the world to see these and us to see them and decide so we did File It in court and the military relented and in march we received the photographs and we had a decision to make. We wanted to either publish these are not. But we decided to do was to consult with the surviving Family Members. As you said, the photos you see were all published with the permission of the Family Members and the surviving members of the people depicted in these photos. One of the stories of what happened is of course the brutal killings that took place and another story is how in the years that followed the surviving Family Members felt that they were left out of this process and the prosecution and the story. The last thing we wanted in our handling of this classified material was to do that again to these people who had already been through so much. As you said, the families were overlooked, neglected or their stories were never widely shared. You have brought life to that and we havent seen the photographs of that and it wont bring their Family Members back. Does it bring them any kind of accountability to have the spotlight on this story once again years after the incident, or is that less likely now . In terms of what can happen now, the actions are quite limited. The military can only have assertion over those in the military so all of the people involved in this are out of the military. The Icc Isnt really an option as you know because they dont really try people in absentia in the us Government Hasnt been able to extradite its citizens to the hague and there is a limited possibility in some cases for the federal government to intervene in situations but thats caseby case and a difficult road and would require a lot of attention to legal details in the case and it seems relatively on Mike The but survivors have said they want their story to be told and they want the truth to be out there, the public to know that their Family Members were killed that day and they werent insurgents but they were people like you and me living their lives only to have them erupted and ended by this. This is such an important piece of Journalism And One that shed light over a dark chapter in our Countrys History and what happened and thank you to you and every Buddy Else who worked on this incredible reporting and being so persistent over the years to get these photos published. 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