Giuliana, to talk about how she's turning far right personal attacks against her into motivating gen z to get out and vote. Join me tomorrow at noon here on msnbc. Have a great neighbor day weekend and good night. Before donald trump, the trump era of presidential elections, the conventional wisdom was that presidential campaigns do not get serious until after labor day. But for trump, he will emerge from this labor day weekend into a september of court dates and debates. Today we are expecting the next major step in the federal election interference case against him. Special counsel jack smith's team and trump's attorneys are expected to propose a schedule for future court proceedings. It comes just days after a federal grand jury returned a superseding indictment that charges trump with the same four counts he faced in the original indictment returned last august. But whittled down in light of the rightwing majority supreme court's ruling in favor of trump that residents have immunity for official acts. We could also hear from judge tanya chutkan in the matter. Both sides are scheduled to appear before judge chutkan for a hearing next week, the first court hearing in that case since the supreme court ruling. That hearing is next thursday, september 5, just five days before donald trump will face off in a debate with vice president harris on september 10. The following week, september 16, new york judge one merchan is set to rule on trump's motion to have the verdict in the hush money interference case thrown out because of the supreme court's ruling on immunity. If he declines to do so, trump will be sentenced in that case on september 18, seven weeks before election day, november 5. In addition to ruling on trump's immunity motion in new york, judge marchand has yet to rule on trump's request to postpone his sentencing until after the election. So trump's lawyers are throwing another hail mary on that. Late thursday his lawyers filed to move the matter to federal court in yet another delay tactic, citing the supreme court's ruling in july. A federal judge has rejected that effort for now but advised it could be refiled with either opposing party apps written consent or court's leave. It is not the first time trump's lawyers have tried to get the hush money case moved to federal court. His lawyers invoked presidential immunity in a failed bid last july, setting the stage for his trial and conviction on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Last year federal judge alvin haller stein ruled that the evidence presented involved something personal to the president, quote, a coverup of an embarrassing event, hush money paid to an adult c star is not related to a president's official acts. It does not reflect in any way the color of the president's official duties. Ke a judge had to actually say that and that i had to read it to you. Here is where we are. Joining me now is andrew wiseman, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, and michael wiley, president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights and former assistant u. S. Attorney. That was a lot, friends. I'm going to start with you, andrew, because it's a lot to parse through. Totally. I want to start with whether or not donald trump has any chance of taking that 34 count felony conviction. ñm,z/ac?ñ■a moving it to federal court in order to throw it out based on what the supreme court has ruled. So the direct answer is, it is highly unlikely that he is going to be able to get it to federal court. As you noted, he has made that motion, lost it, and the only intervening fact is this supreme court decision, again, not enough to have judge haller stein revisit his ruling. Remember that whether it's in state court or it's in federal court, that changes who the judge is whether the supreme court gets to ultimately weigh in on the 34 counts, to say were they tainted by immunized testimony, is something that the supreme court of the united states gets to weigh in on eventually. That's what i'm sort of mostly worried about, because even if it goes through the state court process, eventually donald trump they'll get it back. Exactly. And it's clear to me, and i think it's now clear to most of our fair viewers, that john roberts is going to protect him and at the moment he gets it back, he's going to find a way to get him out of going to jail. That's what's happening. Well, let's just say it's not a very positive supreme court, if we care about the constitution. And if we care about the rule of law. And that is our reality. But look, going back to what andrew so rightly said, you know i think we also have to remember that part of what we are seeing here is every effort to ensure the delay, because it is consequential if the american public that has to make a decision about how to cast a ballot is seen donald trump repeatedly in a courtroom, because that visual alone is unheard of in our history, and so whether it is an hour later, what they are just trying to make sure is it's later, later, later, so that they are actually in a position where voters are not being reminded constantly that not only is he a convicted felon, but that it may make a difference what happens to him after an election. By the way, let's put the calendar back upon that. This is the calendar again. See the first date in that calendar, once it's up there. September 5, this hearing in the federal election interference case. The day after that, north carolina starts early voting. So people will be voting between that hearing and the debate with vice president harris. Before the debate even happens, one state will already be early voting. This is going to be a thing that's happening regardless of the outcome on the sixth. And it's a state in play. It's a state very much in play. There is a lot of money being spent by the trump campaign in north carolina right now, and so, again, they are really looking at this, i think, though personal knowledge, but they are looking at this and they are seeing the chessboard, and they want to make sure that people aren't looking at it, too. The way i think the rest of us are looking at it now i think is the rule of law. Justice ketanji brown jackson does not do a lot of interviews. He's not done interviews, she's now done one point this is are talking about the supreme court immunity ruling. Here she is. You are concerned about broad immunity. I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances. When we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everyone the same. And i just, to that point, from a quote from the filing by donald trump's legal team asking the federal court to take over that hush money case because it felt like it goes to this. Accordingly, they call him still president trump, respectfully request that the recording centisecond removal notice confirmed that justice merchan may not sentence president trump during litigation over the second removal notice. They were leaning into his formal role and saying essentially you can't touch him while this election is happening. We are really talking about, to take the lens out, is the american legal system has failed. This is one where unlike other legal systems around the globe that have managed to hold political leaders to account, we have not. Donald trump has figured out a way to play the system and he's been aided and abetted by the supreme court, by judge cannon, to slow things down so that the actual sort of accountability is whether guilty or not guilty, it's that day of reckoning is put off. Now in new york it's about putting off the day of reckoning of sentencing because judge merchan, to his credit, at least got that case to trial. But this is really sort of a grade of a professor, speaking of grades, this is sort of an f for how we fair compared to so many other sort of socalled western democracies that do actually know how to hold people accountable. The thing that makes it even worse, to be honest, is that it feels in some ways like the conservative members of the supreme court are doing it also in their own selfinterest, because i think everyone understands that samuel alito and clarence thomas will retire immediately upon the inauguration of another republican president. If trump comes in, they go out, and allowing the heritage foundation, the same group let's put all six of them on the bench, to put 230 or 40 yearold versions of them on the bench. We kind of know who they are. They are some judges who made insane rulings to the far right and we know that is what's going to happen. You have just john roberts, who was sort of portrayed as this sort of moderate, normal person, but it's clear that he's down with that. He wants that. So you know, look, to andrew's point and to your point, the system, the judicial system has failed and i do say judicial. The civil side actually did work when it came to donald trump. Not only is it the criminal portal but also the supreme court by not holding to the constitution, not just norms but presidents. They butchered the precedents in their opinion on immunity and they butchered them over and over and over again whenever it comes to the guardrail. Section 3 of the 14th amendment apparently does not exist. They broke that on accident. Exactly. But i think the point here, coming back to the importance of the calendar that you pointed to and how a democracy fixes the problem of a failure of a democratic system like the court system is elections. And so the importance of not losing the court date, and i do mean this in the judge merchan case, to remind folks of what's at stake because project 2025, just as you just did a segment on, you know the difference between who is in office and how to utilize a tower that the supreme court says they had to be protected, the accountability of the judicial system, the way that they can utilize the department of justice is actually on the ballot. 100%. I think it's actually critically important that the date hold because i think it's important that americans be reminded of what questions they need to answer for themselves when they show up. How donald trump would use that power versus how kamala harris will use it are very different and he has made it clear he will use it to harm people, to harm people he things are his enemies. But i wanted to just do one note on jack smith because i do think that jack smith is kind of a bright light in an otherwise pretty dark landscape but i include merrick garland in the dark because i don't think he's done hardly anything to be helpful. But jack smith is persistent. This superseding indictment, how effective is it at trying to finally get us to some sort of answer, at least on the charges of trying to overthrow the government. One, i completely agree with you, with jack smith. He is smart and tenacious and you have to be tenacious in this landscape with what he's had to put up with, whether it's judge cannon or the supreme court, and he's done two things. One, everyone has focused a lot on the deletions, as he deleted material to make it conform to what he has to, which is a supreme court decision. He's stuck with that so from that the case is weaker. He had to take out certain allegations. The material about the president's interactions with the department of justice. I just want to say it because it's so outrageous, meaning that the president can tell his department of justice to engage in a sham investigation, he is immune, so that is not the case because the supreme court has said that is a core presidential function, engaging in a sham investigation. Can we just pull back on that for a moment? is that means that donald trump if he came back in would investigate barack obama. I'm going to make up and invent a crime and that is literally legal for him to do, according to john roberts. That is absolutely right. He cannot be prosecuted for that. That is a core presidential function. It is beyond shocking that that is something that the supreme court wrote here. It was clearly just tailored to the situation here. The other thing that jack smith did is he added various allegations to make it clear that what remains of the case is either personal conduct or conduct as a candidate, not as a president, so he has grand jury findings on that, so he added in a lot of language to make that clear. He also dealt with a new obstruction decision by the supreme court to make it clear that donald trump did obstruct, that he involved allegations, involving what he was going to do with physical ballots. As we remember, the supreme court said that's part of obstruction now. It has to do with the actual documents that are going to congress and jack smith said yes, that's what happened here, so he really looked at what the supreme court had done and then tailored it to deal with that. We'll see what happens today and then in terms of the one thing that could happen is there could be a hearing, the socalled mini trial and i will be interested to see what the parties say about that and obviously next week whether judge chutkan is going to order that before the general election. I hope that he is successful. Is making us feel a little tiny bit hopeful. I just want to know for our audience that ruby freeman and shane moss, the two georgia election workers, they are asking the court to control rudy giuliani's assets after his $148 million judgment, if you want to have a final word on that. They should get that money, right? all his money. They should get all that money and we also should remember that what they faced and suffered, we have other folks that make pace and suffer it in this cycle. That's right. It is critically important that all of the accountability be enforced. I want to know that the arlington national cemetery army employee was afraid to file charges after essentially being physically we could say assaulted since it was a push. We don't know what happened but they were too afraid to file charges because they were afraid of donald trump's race. That is hello we have sunk. Andrew wiseman, my wiley, always a pleasure. Coming up, securing the latino vote will be crucial in this year's presidential election. We'll take a deeper look at the very important voting block, next. Next. Out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. Symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or lightheadedness, can come and go. But if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. If you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. Making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. This is no time to wait. Leo! 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Joining me now is contributor paola ramos, maria teresa kumar, president and ceo of photo latino and mike madrid, cofounder of the lincoln project and the author of the latino century, how america's largest minority is transforming democracy. Thank you all for being here. Paula, i'm going to come to you first because you're constantly in the field. You're talking to these voters. It is kind of one of the puzzles that this is the largest nonwhite group in america, full stop, more than black voters, but the voting turnout is really low. It's almost like half, why? yeah, even looking at 2022, there was this real sentiment of disillusionment among a lot of latinas. There was a lot of skepticism towards president biden and a lot of that had to do with, was rooted in this idea that according to many there were a lot of broken immigration promises and then suddenly in the last two weeks i've started to hear again and that is once again this idea that perhaps what was missing yes we can in spanish is so intentional and it points to this idea that it wasn't that the democratic party was fractured. It was that what was missing was injecting the inspiration or the hope and change that barack obama did, it is working. Do you see latinos being motorized? that is sort of the messaging standpoint and on the other flipside, it's republicans. The moment that this country turned into majority minority, the understanding that latinos are at the heart of the multiethnic coalition is leading to that change. There is a concerted effort to stop that growth and all of that is also being fueled by this conspiracy theory that's overshadowed everything, this idea that we are not citizens. Exactly, great replacement theory in this idea that noncitizens are voting, and you put those things together. The thing about it is, let me actually get mike madrid in here because some of it is people misunderstand the demographics of latinos. They assume i remember a poll back many, many years ago that showed that americans believed that like 75% of latinos are undocumented, which is insane. It's literally like 80% are citizens, right? and so there is this misunderstanding of who this constituency are and assuming they are all undocumented because they may speak spanish at home. So give us the real numbers and the real stats on this constituency. And also how different it is across the country because it's regionally very different. Yeah, it's actually not as different as we think it is. What is happening, this lateralization of america is an extraordinary demographic transformation, is what i've tried to explore in the book here. You actually mentioned a lot of it in your infra with a 7% over just the past decade. It's overwhelmingly u. S. Born. A lot of this is what is happening with this balancing between the two parties, is there is a demographic explanation for it as much as there is a political explanation for it. So i think you accurately pointed out this is the largest ethnic group in america at this point. Yes, our voter participation is lagging every other racial and ethnic group. I believe that there are strong demographic reasons for that. 3= the fact that we are so young, by the way, is one of the main reasons. Younger voters have less intensity, darkness of race or ethnicity, to vote. We are working on that, successfully. It is happening. The trajectory is on the right path. There is a lot of people who argue that simply aging into the electorate, latinos will start to grow into greater numbers. But of course with so many eligible, citizen eligible folks, he wants to make sure that there are people not only registered mobilized and showing up to demonstrate that strength. But again, there's also this endemic poverty problem that we have to recognize, which is also a function of youth. For people it doesn't matter whether you are black in the deep south or white in appalachia or latino in east l. A. , if you're poor and young, you don't vote. We've got to look for those policy explanations as much as looking for these political solutions because it's pretty widespread. It's pretty deep. There is over 70 years of census data telling us that a lot of this is demographic. Absolutely. You've been invoked so i want to bring you in here because you've been working on this project, increasing that both strength, is again, we had a guy on earlier this year who made a really great point that america styles itself as a quasieuropean country, but we are really much more a latin american country. Our history, our demographics. A lot of it is much more like is ill than it is like england and we try to fool ourselves into saying that's not the case, but it kind of is. So how do you break that cycle? because part of it is age and part of it bbis wealth that people aren't voting but how do you bring more of latino voters online? so i think it's all intentional. You cited what happened in 2022. I'll tell you that from 2022 compared to the 2018 midterm election, latino vote dissipation was 37%, down 87%. But if you look at who turned out in 2022, it was people over the age of 40 years old and disproportionately individuals who were republican because what the republicans did was invest in older voters for turnout. However, when it came down to young voters under the age of 40, turnout was an abysmal 24% and that was because the democrats read the headline, internalized it and oh my gosh, latinos, maybe they are fleeing republican so there was a major lack of investment when it came to communicating to young latinos that the issues that they cared about and 2022 were on the ballot, and i think what we are seeing now with kamala harris is that she's meeting voters where they are. I can tell you anecdotally, just from our work, since the moment she came on the ballot we have registered over 110,000 registered voters. But the key is that 65% of them, joy, are under the age of 25 point i've been doing this for a minute. I've never seen that type of enthusiasm. But it's not just because of what she represents. It's to mike madrid's point, he's talking about policy they care about. The number one issue for 18 to 29yearolds in this country who are latino, in north carolina, in georgia, in texas, in arizona, the number one issue is [ñl■housing. It's rent. So when she came out with a policy just last week, meeting people where they are, talking to them about providing affordable rents, affordable mortgages, that all of a sudden perked their interest, like wait a second, she's someone who identifies me as a child of immigrant experiences but at the same time understands that what's making me struggle @÷ñis whether or not i can balance the budget to feed myself or make my ends meet at the end of the month. That is transformational. Haula, i'm going to come back to you on this because it's a great point because people think latino, they think immigrants. The only issues immigration. They care about immigration but that's not like a driving issue. It is affordability and it also changes. The state 7nntexas, you've talked to a were like hardcore republicans, like guns and religion. The point of the story is that when we say latinos are not a monolith, is also saying latinos are just like any other american. They care about the economy. They care about housing like maria teresa just said and they care about anything that any other ordinary american would but i do have to say we do also do care about immigration. I was just on the phone yesterday with a lot of voters from georgia, latino voters. One of the number one things that young latino folks in georgia are scared about is this idea if trump walks into the white house, once again you will see local sheriffs cooperating again with i. C. E. I do sort of want to take the conversation that way as i think there's this idea that latinos are warming up to mass deportation. That is also true. Berries republicans keep on insisting that the latino community wants mass deportation and is for it. I think two things can exist at the same time. I think it is a very small but growing number of latinos that are warming up to mass deportations and that are sort of in the sentiment because again, you and i have talked about this. The xena phobia is so powerful, this idea, and trump does that really will. He believes that latinos have become so americanized that they, too, can buy into the nativism, and that is part of his messaging to latinos. And it's also in language media. Can we talk about the fact that if you listen to spanish language radio in miami or in south texas, you're not hearing even what you hear on fox. It's hard to the right of that. It's completely far to b90t right but that is a very targeted message, this idea that latinos, too, can authorize immigrants better than anyone else. But so many latinos, talk to them in arizona, talk to them in texas and nevada, in georgia, are so scared about what project 2025 means, this idea that mass deportations can happen. Those are also conversations that a lot of latinos are having. When we come back, don't go anywhere because we are going to come back, paola, maria teresa and mike are going to stick with us or much more. I want to talk about whether abortion politics are starting to seep into the conversation among the latino voters. We'll be right back. Ngñqx@q back with me, paola ramos, maria teresa kumar and madrid. I want to talk quickly about whether abortion is becoming an issue within the latino voter community. You did a piece about some of the perils that women of color, disproportionately latino women when it comes to abortion. How much is abortion a conversation when you are talking to folks? it's huge. Maria teresa saw it on the ground in 2022. For the first time in years the issue of abortion became a top issue for latino voters. It mobilized as this is incredible thing. Didn't just idolize latinos and mothers and abuela's point of the interesting thing is even if you have catholic latinas, perhaps morally opposed to it, they were able to humanize the issue and able to understand morally that they couldn't stand with donald trump so i think the party is really, really galvanizing the coalition and interestingly in florida, they are understanding that that is the one issue that perhaps can become more powerful than communism, socialism, democrats are socialists. Why? because it's personal. The same way that socialism is a personal issue for so many latinos in south laura, abortion is more personal, and it is mobilizing. Let's talk a little bit about the race issue because the question of race inside of the latino community is wmd complex, becausenp■ a person wh is latino can identify as white, they can identify as black or niter or whatever. So race politics get cated. Replicated. Talk a little bit more about that. It's so interesting because this is when barack obama was on the ballot against hillary clinton. It was something that was coming out of, percolating out of the campaign saying that latinos would never vote for a black candidate when in fact, what we knew even when barack obama was running for congress against a latino candidate, latinos overwhelmingly voted for him in w;úñchicago because his issues and so while race in our conversations behind closed doors can become located, latinos are looking for individuals that are talking mostly about the issues they care about. They want to resolve issues and when it comes for example to a candidate like, harris, the vast majority of tina's identify with her story. They identify with who she is and when i see anything, this idea that you can talk about really complex issues in a way that connects with the humanness of what we're ke struggling with, he comes /[; really impo@b0u9ñ when we talk about abortion, for example, one of the things that most gdxñpeople don't real is that while the average white woman is roughly 47 years old, the average latina is 3 she's in the middle of her child bearing t$dñyearjäb,r a that person because we have not been in their shoes. And the more the kamala harris and the rest of the democrats could understand that and embrace that, that allows them to have a broader conversation when it comes to mobilizing those in your community based solely on social truths. Mike, unpacked for us how all these issues are laying out. You look at all these numbers. What issues are driving these voters and is it true that there is the surge toward donald trump? i don't see it or hear it anecdotally but folks keep saying it's free. What are you seeing? first, look, let me talk about the social issues because i think maria teresa outlined this perfectly. I think it needs to be underscored but abortion and a prolife position has never been a driving element of latino politics, ever, and this idea that we are all catholic, well i'm a practicing catholic. That's one of idly not true, either. The system have been collapsing with latinos since the late '80s and it's never been the social issues that are driving us to political change. They are, they pointed out it's the social justice issues. That is completely true and most importantly, as we become, the expose of numbers of latino registrations are happening with third and now a discernible fourth generation voter, these are overwhelmingly prochoice voters so this boat has always benefited the democrats. There has been a hesitancy to lean into it by the democratic party because of this characterization of who we are. Spanish speaking, immigrant, catholic. There is much more nuance to these basic kind of cartoonish characters the been made of us that are not true. The real lesson i think to all of this is understanding that the latino voter that we have known and identified for the past 25 years is going to be wholly different than the latino of the next 25 years, for one simple reason, and it's a graphic you showed again at the introduction, the explosive growth of all these latino numbers that are happening. All of these latinos turning 18. They are not naturalized voters. They are third and now fourth generation voters so is there a surge toward donald trump? no there is not there is an incremental movement away for the past decade that has been happening 1% and 2% at the time. 2020 was a 7%, 8% jump but that gradual change is seeing our community represented in both parties. That's nothing to be afraid of. It's something to embrace because our headcount is going to redefine both parties. The moderates in both parties. I think the greatest salvation as i write my book, to help us get away from trumpism, is larger latino voters and in the republican party to move it in a different direction. A really great point that you make because it's a swing community because it's about a 6535 community, meaning it's still winnable for republicans and democrats if republicans and democrats create opportunity. I'm sorry, maria, go ahead. It's so interesting because prior to, harris we were seeing the exact thing. We were seeing that toe to toe, biden was at 59 and from was at 39. When we introduced a third party, all of a sudden biden dropped by 37 and the third party was 17%. Headed into the convention, literally the friday before the convention, joy, kamala was pulling at 60%, 7% independent and 29% from in key battleground states. This is a poll of 2000 voters in georgia, north, arizona, nevada, and what we found really striking was that she was pulling independents because we expected that. The fact that she was pulling in georgia and in texas and in arizona, from donald trump among latino voters, that says that there is a real line closer to latinos voting as they did under obama than they did under bush. Absolutely and in states where people don't think about latino voters, north carolina. States like it's not just florida and texas. Paola ramos, maria teresa kumar, mike madrid, thank you all very much. Come back and do this again. I think this is important to unpack this stuff. Coming up, the conflict in the middle east rages on with israel's military operation in the occupied west bank now in its third. We'll be right back. (♪♪) i'm getting vaccinated with pfizer's pneumococcal pneumonia vaccine. So am i. Because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. Come on. I already got a pneumonia vaccine, but i'm asking about the added protection of prevnar 20®. If you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like asthma, diabetes, copd, or heart disease, or are 65 or older, you are at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. Prevnar 20® is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. In just one dose. Don't get prevnar 20® if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. Adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. 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I think for a lot of people there is a certain shock that the violence has moved to the west bank. Your thoughts? important to understand, joy, and it's good to see you, that this of course is the sixth decade of an israeli occupation of the west bank, which according to the international court of justice, is itself illegal, dotted with illegal settlements, and things weren't good for decades. They weren't good prior to october 7. The west bank is the larger territory. It's 16 times the size of gaza. The qualifications of this government, prior to october 7, were expanding. One saw, if it even crossed their minds, one saw these settlers carrying out with the israeli press called pogroms. These all happened before october 7. It's worse, of course, in response to october 7. Mass arrest. The largest number of killings in the west bank for a number of years and now this latest intensification. We are being told it's a major operation starting in the northern west bank. We know that the israeli side says this is about security and this is a military solution. Security is a real thing but security is being used as an excuse, for what, and i think this is what's important to understand. First of all, this serves the israeli prime minister politically. He's staking a claim that he needs to be empowered because he's the indispensable wartime leader. Therefore continue the war and expand to another front, this time the west bank. Interestingly we're talking just after an israeli war cabinet meeting in which the israeli defense minister and the prime minister, it's out in the open, had an altercation because the defense minister and the defense establishment have said that the prime minister is undermining the ceasefire talks. Netanyahu doesn't want a cease fire. He's ideologically committed to keeping the west bank. His coalition says the jewish people have an exclusive right to all parts. That includes the west bank and killed their negotiating power. They went into iran's territory and killed a guy that was supposedly negotiating a peace deal with. Al with. The nonmilitant leader they the nonmilitant leader they killed and opening up a second front with lebanon. What is the endgame here, because as you said for bbmak staying in power forever comically. He's clearly willing to empower his far right settler partners in his government who do believe in this messianic vision of taking over all of the west bank. He is clearly willing to empower his far right settler partners in his government who do believe in this messy vision of taking all over the west bank. What is the endgame here? because the biden administration claims they are going for a two state solution. That does not seem to be something that he will ever allow. Very clearly that is not something benjamin netanyahu will ever allow. I do not know that there is an endgame as such. First of all, you have a remarkable situation in which even a former deputy national security advisor of israel has said the recounting of events of that latest very few have gotten out alive that way. Israel's version of events was less credible than the hamas version. I think what he is trying to do is maintain an open ended war that doesn't necessarily have an endgame and i think on the other side the resistance us and we are not going to fall into your trap of bringing america into an allout war, but we will continue asymmetrical warfare because you actually have a lot of vulnerabilities. The economy is not doing well. You are a part of the global economy that is getting more difficult for you to operate in and so the question when it comes to the latest west bank is does this have a deep strategic purpose because you will no doubt be reporting on a lot of these operations happening in refugee camps in the west bank. We have seen what has happened in gaza. They may ask what this is about. That is the story of the palestinians being pushed out. Being ethnically cleansed. We are noticing destruction of infrastructure also in the west bank and that has massive implications for them, but i think it has massive implications for the u. S. In national security in geopolitical terms and apparently also in political terms because you have an election i am told him this issue is not playing well for the democratic leadership. It is a depressing reality. One wonders where we have a system of international laws if they are not being followed. It is always a pleasure. Much appreciated, as always. And we will be right back. Or for serious allergic reactions. Using airsupra more than prescribed could be life threatening. Serious side effects include heart problems, increased risk of thrush or infections. Welcome to the modern age of dualaction asthma rescue. Ask your doctor if airsupra is right for you. 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