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Now, ahead. Vice president harris heads to the sun belt ready to fire up voters in Battleground Georgia as a state gop official says the race is tighter because of her. And israel sends tanks and troops into the west bank adding even more anger and instability in the region. Good to be with you. Im katy tur in for andrea mitchell. Jack smith has filed a new Superseding Indictment against donald trump for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election. While he doesnt add new charges, jack smith recasts his case as a prosecution of a Candidate Running for office, trying to work around the Supreme Court decision that gives president s broad immunity for, quote, official acts while in office. Gone are the conversations donald trump had with the doj. Gone is the primary reference to him as the 45th president. Instead, hes mainly described as a candidate and changed is coconspirators like Rudy Giuliani are described, they are, quote, private attorneys. Will that be enough . We have analysis on whether the revised indictment will satisfy the high courts ruling, a decision that is ultimately so broad and deferential, one of the dissenting justices is reiterating her concerns for the future. Here is Supreme Court Justice Kentanji Brown jackson sitting down with cbs news. I was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances. When we have a criminal Justice System that had ordinarily treated everyone the same. We also have yet more fresh video from january 6th, this just released clip of then Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaking the day after the attack, blaming the violence and chaos right on donald trump. There is a domestic enemy in the white house. And lets not mince words about this. Joining me now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, correspondent von hillyard and former u. S. Attorney and law professor barbara mcquade. Ken, walk us through the differences between this indictment and the last one. This is a paired down version. 45 pages down to 36 pages. It accuses donald trump of the same three criminal conspiracies the original did, Conspiracy To Defraud the united states, to obstruct congress and to deprive millions of americans of their vote. The biggest thing smith removed from the original as you mentioned is the entire section describing how trump pressured the Justice Department to launch bogus investigations and make false declarations of fraud, and thats no surprise because the Supreme Court actually said in its opinion that communications with the Justice Department were clearly official acts by a president and, therefore, immune from prosecution. Smith also removed other allegations involving trumps dealings with advisors in the oval office and other federal officials, but he kept in trumps conversations with State Officials, which is most of the original indictment. Smith removed some trump tweets because the Supreme Court seemed to say statements by a president are usually official acts. Smith did not remove allegations that trump committed crimes by pressuring then Vice President mike pence to delay the certification of votes on january 6th and the theory seems to be pence was acting as president of the senate and trump acting as a candidate so this was not a president communicating with his Vice President. Of course trumps lawyers can be expected to challenge that, and in fact, theyre likely to argue most of the allegations still stands were official acts and should be struck. Barbara, take that deeper and focus on the pence stuff. Pence as Vice President , how strong is the argument that jack smith is making in this indictment to say that they can overcome the presumption of immunity here . Yeah. This is the one that is probably going to be the trickiest. I imagine judge chutkan is going to schedule a hearing and will examine all of these allegations, most of the conduct relating to trump as candidate seems fair game for prosecution. But this one has an overlap. As ken said, it frames this allegation in terms of mike pence as president of the senate, but what the court said in its opinion is, that they would protect anything that mate intrude upon the president s constitutional duties as an executive. To the extent that mike pence also served as Vice President in the executive branch, there is some risk of that intrusion. I imagine this will be heavily litigated. I can see why jack smith wants this in. This really is the heart of the whole case, getting mike pence to block the certification. Its a very important part of the narrative, i think, and so theyll litigate it and figure whether this is in or out. Chief justice in the Majority Opinion on this case wrote whenever the president and Vice President discuss their official responsibilities, they engage in official conduct. It seems like its going to be a high burden to meet to overcome the presumption of immunity if theyre not able to, does jack smith have a case without the conversations with Vice President mike pence . I think so. Youre right. This is going to be litigated and were going to see a decision on this, probably ultimately by the Supreme Court. Even without the mike pence evidence, however, i think the narrative is a little less complete, but there is still evidence of donald trump allegations of donald trump pressuring State Officials to change their slate of electors, organizing fake slates of electors and exploiting the chaos at the capitol even after the attack took place. And so that still puts together, i think a fairly compelling case. Its just one arm tied behind their back as they proceed. Ken, what about the timing . Why file this today or yesterday . Well, the two sides have until friday to submit proposals for how to move forward in this case. What comes next are likely a series of hearings as barbara said hashing out disputes over what parts of this case can survive and judge chutkan will rule on all of that. Its important to note either side can appeal that ruling all the way up to the Supreme Court before the trial. So that means that even if trump loses this trial will be a long way off, months, maybe more than a year. All right. Were going to wait for an election before then. How is donald trump responding to the Superseding Indictment, the recasting of this indictment, these these charges against him . Overnight he called it Election Interference, a direct attack on democracy. I think more importantly, for our conversation, katy, just in the last two hours, he has posted a flurry of vengeful memes on his truth social account. Memes that i think we have a couple of them that we can pull up here. I think that are very quite explicit. You have one ai images of his perceived enemies, joe biden, hunter biden, nancy pelosi, hillary clinton. Bill gates. Bill gates in orange jump suits with the text how to actually fix the system. You have another one where you see jack smith, you see actually im going to call it the one we are looking at right now, the words indict, sedation, lock they can up from the january 6th select committee. Weve got another one, jack smith with the text, quote, he should be prosecuted for Election Interference and prosecutorial misconduct. A fourth one that i want people to see. President obama with, quote, public Military Tribunals of obama and others. Theres a flurry of others, others that are qanon. This is donald trump in the last two hours. It doesnt seem like these are posted by real people. Just the handles with the emojis on them and the quality of these ai images you wonder if its an individual somewhere posting this and creating this stuff on their own or done by a bot or some other agency that wants to influence things. Put that aside, this is the former president , reposting images of his opponents political opponents in prison, big Business Leaders like bill gates. Donald trump posts a lot. Last month he called for public Military Tribunals of liz cheney here. This isnt new. Were two months out from an election and for anybody to suggest retribution is not on Donald Trumps mind, go to his social media account because this is where he has direct control over what he can post and repost. When i talk about two months out, donald trump is laying the groundwork, katy, claiming Election Interference saying google is already having Election Interference. Superseding indictment from jack smith is Election Interference. The gag order in the upcoming sentencing in Lower Manhattan here from judge merchan is Election Interference. Hes calling the fake ai images that he claimed Kamala Harris posted of her crowds, which of course were not fake, he said those were Election Interference and she should be f claiming the 2024 election was stolen and while the focussing could very well be on the indictment that jack smith has brought before him for Election Interference of the last case, donald trump clearly is looking towards not just those around him saying his opponents should be prosecuted, not just steve bannon ranting about it on a podcast, this is donald trump reposting things, saying it in his own words and flirting with the possibility. I think back to something david fromme wrote months ago before there was any debate scheduled between anybody, before the biden and trump debate, the idea that there could be two candidates on stage and they would be treated as both legitimate and both equal, they would be talking about economics and food prices, while one of those candidates tried to overturn an election, denied there was a free and fair election, and still continues to do so. The root level discomfort with equating that or making it on the same level as talking about, you know, Policy Agendas for the next white house, things as mundane, but as important as the economy, likening that or making it on equal footing with a guy that tried to stay in office when the voters kicked him out. Von hillyard and ken dilanian and barbara quaid, thank you very much. Well head to Southern Georgia Where Vice President Harris Campaign hopes to gain new support in a critical swing state. Youre watching msnbc. State. 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Bring us behind the scenes and talk to me about this decision to get out of the safe spaces of georgia . Well, katy, the strategy is really interesting. This statistic floored me. Youre used to, as a fellow campaign reporter, traveling not just to the same small handful of states, but often the same parts of the same states. Georgia is only recently in play, President Biden was the first democrat to win it since bill clinton, but the Campaign Says when Vice President harris touches down in savannah she will be the first general election candidate to hold an event in savannah since the 1990s. Think about that. So this is the strategy of you want to win, of course, a statewide plurality of the vote and to do so you can run up the score in democratic areas including those counties you mentioned surrounding the atlanta area where President Biden campaigned four years ago or you can try to eat into the republican margins all over the state. Thats what the Harris Campaign says its going to be trying to do today. Theyre going to be reaching out to some of their base voters. Theres a significant black population here in Southeast Georgia they think they can mobilize, but theyre going to be reaching out to rural voters, middleclass voters, those in the swing zone, that they think they can eat into trumps overall margin in the state. So the campaign is not just putting the candidate here. They say theyve been spending resources here and coordinated offices throughout the state including here in Southeast Georgia, doing events with surrogates and Campaign Team on the ground as well. This is an effort with the bus tour to reach more parts of this is area than doing one big rally which the Vice President will be doing here tomorrow night. Thank you very much. Joining me Savannah Moyer van johnson. Thank you for joining us, mr. Mayor. We appreciate your time. Thank you so much. A pleasure. So what do you think of this move to go outside of, as i said before, the Safer Blue Districts in georgia, bluer districts . Well, lets be really clear, savannah is reliably blue. Chatham county is reliably blue. It really more speaks to the Vice President s attitude that at the end of the day were one big tent. After the election you have to speak to the needs of everyone, and the Vice President harris speaks to the needs of people in savannah and our partners in coastal georgia. The road to the white house goes through georgia and the lane to that road goes through savannah, goes through coastal georgia. We know shes been engaged in rural hospitals which is important to our neighbors in and around us, certainly to farmers helping them 3. 1 billion to invest in farmers across rural georgia. She speaks to the issues that are important to us. Were just excited that shes coming. What are the issues, the top issues, that you think she should be talking about . It is the economy. The reality is, although we have indicators to say things are better, Many Americans just dont feel like it. Stuff is still too high, costs too much for places to live and for health care. She speaks directly to those issues. How do we deal with resiliency in a coastal city like savannah that deals with more significant rain and wind events. How do we deal with individuals being able to grow up and risk their best lives and dreams. She understands us. She gets us. She speaks to the needs of savannah and coastal georgia. Abortion, is that going to be a big issue for voters who are not democrats in georgia, but who are independents in georgia, or moderate republicans in georgia . It is a huge issue. At the end of the Day Health Care [ inaudible ] women and their doctor. Not a woman [ inaudible ] this is actually been here in six months. Its Something Different to show up twice and shes done that. I love that, love is an action word. Show up with flowers one of these days. Bring them to savannah. I will tell them that. Let me read a quote from you, you might enjoy this quote from the chairman of the Gwinnett County Republican Party he said replacing biden with harris has been good for the democrats. Quote, i was very comfortable it would not be an easy win but it would be a four or fivepoint win. I think its going to be a little tighter now because i think shes energized a few of the democrats that were not energized before and they seem to be more active. Is this going to come down energized democrats or does she need to find more than that . It comes down to energized democrats, but it also comes down to speaking to republicans who are tired of the juvenile behavior of the other candidate, of the meanspiritedness, of the threats to our democracy, the thoughts that were not patriotic because were democrat, and then also independent people who, you know, might vote another way, but on this day, and this race, that they will go in there and they will vote for the person that best represents their interest, who wont embarrass them and who certainly is not a felon. Are you concerned about the new rules put in place by the Georgia Election board . Of course i am. Its like you play the whole season and then before the world series, you change the rules. And again, this is something weve dealt with here in georgia. Despite the fact that its been proven conclusively time and time again that there were no widespread voter fraud here, yet the rules keep changing, you know, we have to fight and when we fight we win. Were going to fight and were going to fight by showing up at the ballot box. Its a reasonable inquiry to put things into question. Do you know what that means, is there a is there a limit to that . Do you know what a reasonable inquiry would not be regarding ballots . A reasonable inquiry would be once you ask the question, and the question has been answered, and theres supporting documentation, and then you refuse beyond that, thats reasonable. When you keep questioning the result, when you keep questioning the inquiry, at some point it just goes from being reasonable to being absurd. And so we are living in a time of absurdity. We are four years into the Bidenharris Administration and there are people still talking about what happened in 2020, which in may mind is absolutely absurd. The fact is, is that joe biden is our president. Kamala harris is our Vice President. And i was an elector in georgia, one of the 16 that got to cast that historic vote, and the fact is, is that, you know, were moving on. We have moved on from that. We need to move on. Mayor van johnson of savannah, georgia, thank you very much for joining us. We look forward to having you and your husband here in savannah. Im going to give you a call when i come down. Coming up next, how new Israeli Military operations in the west bank could impact ceasefire talks and efforts to free hostages in gaza. Youre watching msnbc. Olay super serum night repair. Delivers five benefits in one. Visibly renewing Surface Skin Cells while you sleep. Youll see visible results in 7 nights. Olay. The ups store is more than just a shipping store. Were the pack it, ship it, guarantee it store. We know running a Small Business takes a lot of grit and hustle. So were the stress less store. And the weve got your back store. 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I think were going to be okay, okay being defined as this is not going to explode into a wider war, katy, but the operations now being conducted in the west bank kind of draw a line under the fact that israel is facing terrorism from hamas in gaza, from hezbollah to the north, and all the way from Down In The Red Sea by houthis, this is yet another axis of threat for the israelis. The second point to be made here is, the iranian connection looming over all of these threats to israel is the spector of iran and that, i think, is why the israelis are very focused on getting into the west bank and rooting it out to the degree they can. What is the, i guess, political damage of them doing this . I understand theyre arguing there is a safety need to go in there, but what is the political damage of them doing this at this moment . Its a tactically significant. What i mean by that is, even as the Biden Administration continues to try with immense emergency to get the ceasefire talks landed, heres yet another obstacle that will be thrown in the face of it because, lets face it, katy, you can get to a ceasefire conceivably in gaza, but step two is governance, is turning it over to somebody. Thats ultimately got to be the palestinian authority, and when youre the israelis and youre attacking inside the west bank against targets in the vicinity of the palestinian authority, just going to be much more difficult to breathe life into this ceasefire and above all to get to that next step beyond the initial ceasefire. How do you read Benjamin Netanyahu right now . There are folks within israel, former Prime Ministers, writing scathing opeds saying that he doesnt want a ceasefire, he wants this to erupt into a wider war because he wants to be seen as the Winston Churchhill of israel . They say his future, his ambitions are so tied to this war that he cant be trusted to be in charge of it . I agree with that assessment, which is to say, from all that i can see, what Benjamin Netanyahu has done initially responding to the attacks against hamas, quite understandable, but the way in which this now goes on and on and on, the level of strikes, for example, launched against hezbollah to the north, 100 israeli aircraft pounding away up there, add to that going into the west bank in the middle of what ought to be a period to try to close the ceasefire, when you put all that together, thats not the defiance of a Winston Churchhill. Thats somebody looking for a fight, and i think it is tied to domestic political concerns and legal ones that the Prime Minister has. So one of the former Prime Ministers, ill bring up his oped in particular, is arguing that netanyahu is so not to be trusted and will not come to a ceasefire agreement, and because of that, what needs to happen is that his government needs to step down. These are the people that you want to step down. He wants yoav gallant to step down, benny gantz, walk away from the government, to i guess make a point to the israeli public that this isnt working any longer and to put Benjamin Netanyahu under more duress. Is that a good idea, given who hes currently aligned himself already, that is the far right in israel . I think ultimately the netanyahu government is going to fall. Benny gantz has left it. I know him well. He was their chief of defense when i was in charge of u. S. Israeli military to military cooperation. Hes already voted with his feet. I think the key individual that former Prime Minister is really directing this toward is yoav gallant, the current minister of defense, former chief of the idf. I think it is getting close for time for him to step away. The point is well taken. Wont that simply play into the hands of the right wing . I dont think so. We wont know, katy, until the knesset comes back from its break, probably toward the end of september. So weve got a month to continue to watch this bubble. All right. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Well watch and see what happens next. Coming up, how the high costs of everyday living may impact voters choices, especially in critical swing states like wisconsin. Youre watching msnbc. Sconsin. Youre watching msnbc. aaron i own a lot of businesses. So my tech and my network need to keep up. Thank you, verizon business. kevin now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. aaron so whatevers next. 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A New York Times siena poll of voters in wisconsin shows it is their most important issue. Joining us now ben wicklehrer, chair of the Wisconsin Democratic party. Thank you very much for joining us. The economy, big and broad, what specifically . Well, the question is, who is fighting for Working Families for the middle class and who is fighting for the rich . Its pretty clear. If you look at each of their plans and what they have said at their convention and everywhere else, Kamala Harris and tim walz understand the middle class bus theyre from it and theyre going to fight to bring down costs from groceries to child care to expanding Social Security and medicare, Prescription Drug costs and so much more. Trump and vance are on the side of their Billionaire Buddies and their plan to cut taxes for the ultra wealthy and then set off an Inflation Bomb to raise costs for middleclass families. So if youre a billionaire maybe vote for trump if thats all you care about. If youre anybody else, harris and walz is clearly your ticket. They do an analysis of the best and worst state for biz, this year wisconsin ranked 31st, dplus grade. 25th in the nation for business friendliness. A cplus. The cost of living given a bplus, tenth in the nation. Is there something that Kamala Harris can propose that will elevate those grades . Slaul. Shes got a whole draft of proposals. Wisconsin, we have a great governor, a State Legislator that rigged our maps so they could make sure no bills could pass through the legislature that would work for working people for the last 12 years. This year we have a chance to flip our State Assembly and break the republican super majority in our state senate and means we can do in our state what Kamala Harris is proposing nationally to bring down the cost of child care, support unions and Working Families, easier to start and run and launch a Small Business. Weve had recordbreaking Small Business creation which is great, but we have a lot more to do. Thats why were organizing up and down the ballot in wisconsin from state legislative districts like the one im in, in northern wisconsin, with i is going to flip from a Red Gerrymandered district to blue one, to Tammy Baldwin statewide and the president ial race. Theres a ton to do to reorient our economy towards the middle class, towards Working Families, working not just to get by, but to get ahead. We know that the economy grows from the middle out and bottom up. Thats whats at stake in this election. Thats what we need. Harris and walz, a Democratic House and senate and State Assembly in wisconsin to do it. I love the view there in northern wisconsin. Looks like its super lovely right now. Im going to ask you about metrics. I know you guys have seen a flood of volunteers coming on since Kamala Harris got the not the nomination, but was chosen as the successor for joe biden. Is there another metric . Have you been able to watch the registering of voters or how many voters have been registered and which parties they belong to, in the time since harris was put at the top of the ticket . So every metric that we can track, everything that we can measure . Wisconsin has been going up for harris, walz and democrats. You just register to vote as a voter. We had a statewide election on a referendum that the gerrymandered Republican Legislature tried to put through to grab power away from the governor. The constitutional amendments usually sail through. 12 of the last 13 have passed. We defeated this in a 15 point landslide with the highest turnout in an august election in wisconsin in a president ial year in 60 years. So we can see it in votes, volunteers. Weve had 42,000 sign up. More than bidens margin of victory. We see it everywhere we look. This is key. Wisconsin is still incredibly close. Its gone a lot the democratic ticket has gone up a lot in the polling which means its probably within a point right now, which means, two or three votes per precinct wherever you are in the state is going to determine the outcome of the president ial election here. Thats why were asking folks to volunteer and donate and hiring right now. We have more than 260 staff on the ground in wisconsin. 48 offices. Were going to need more. Every ounce of energy we can muster to win on election day. Let me ask you about how close it is. Youre talking about a point. There are other folks that will be on the ballot that could sway things if it is truly very close. Jill stein is going to be on the ballot. Rfk jr. Will still be on the ballot, even though hes suspending his campaign and cornell west. Are they going to be spoilers . Well, elections in wisconsin four of the last six have come down to less than one percentage point. That means everything can matter enormously. The question for every voter, activist, everyone whos concerned about whether we wind up with project 2025 or wind up with a ticket devoted to freedom, to opportunity and to building towards the future, is how can they make sure that more people turn out and vote for harris and walz . Thats the only way to defeat trump. Its clear that one either trump and vance or harris and walz will win in our state. If youre concerned about what happens in the election, in the spring of 2025, we Pass National Voting Rights legislation, the protecting the right to organize bill, we pass the protections for abortion access, that Womens Health protection act senator Tammy Baldwin is the author of, if you want those to pass its a vote for harris and walz and spreading the message. Two choices in terms of the outcome of this race. For every voter in wisconsin you have to recognize the consequences of your actions and work accordingly with every moment youve got. Thank you very much. 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Prosecute the case why a Donald Trump Administration would wreak havoc on the country going forward, highlighting and reminding the American Public what happened during the trump administration. Right now, donald trump likes to cast the economy was booming, everything was fantastic, his four years were marquee, but thats not the case. So i think its reminding the public, but also keeping that cool. Its about the vibe as well, that this is a woman that is in control, that is trustworthy and acting the part of i am the commander in chief. Kamala harris, as i understand it, and donald trump, have never spoken to each other before. I think shes only been in the room with him for a state of the union. They dont know each other. Clinton and trump knew each other. Biden and trump knew each other. They had been in the same rooms and had conversations. Im thinking back to the debates with hillary clinton, brendon, where donald trump was stalking her, standing back and was always behind her when they were doing the Town Hall Debate or constantly interrupting her, calling her a puppet, youre the puppet, back and forth. Her and calling her a puppet, that back and forth. How does harris prepare for somebody like donald trump . Is it a advantage or disadvantage to not know him the way the others did . I dont know if its a disadvantage, but what she needs to do is recognize donald trump thrives by pulling people down into the mud with him. His goal is to pull you down and get you into a verbal spat, and i imagine why thats her campaign was trying to keep the you know, excuse me, the mics on so people can see what hes trying to do there. She needs to maintain that level of optimism. She gave an incredible speech at the convention that tried to turn the page on not just donald trump but the less era of politics and presented her as a challenger in a way, even though shes the sitting Vice President. If she said i am going to talk to the country and stay optimistic, thats a home run. If she ends up having a bunch of verbal spars with him, and thats a reminder. You are in ruby red arkansas. In all states that are decidedly red, its a question of mobilization. The likelihood of a state like this flip something low, but you also want to seat growth across electoral cycles and thats the goal for the democrats, like here and in texas and in other red states in what you have said in the past probably is a tremendous amount of enthusiasm with democrats here in arkansas, and democrats who very much are feeling disenchanted, and already feeling disenchanted looking at the context, and this is a shot in the arm for folks here to see this energy, and, to brandons point, to see the optimism. To see the mobilization and in terms of getting people registered to vote and getting engaged, and this is what we have seen with the Kamala Harris presidency sorry, candidacy. Are americans enchanted with donald trump the way they used to be . Is that for me . No, its for victoria, in arkansas, there . I think that base of love for the democratic roots and what the Democratic Party stands for in terms of the leveling the Playing Field for Working Families, for making folks be able to make ends meet, shes able to boost up that enthusiasm. Brendan, the one i wanted to hand to you was the confrontation that donald trump and his staffers had at Arlington National cemetery. There was apparently a conflict, some sort of altercation between staffers and cemetery officials when trump was trying to take a photographer in section 60, which doesnt allow any sort of video or photographing for campaign purposes, and do you think this is something they might be worried about getting out . Perhaps, the way they are acting. Look, i cant imagine donald trump would have shown up for this Event Running for president. He has shown time and time again he doesnt have respect for the military Service Members or the fallen. I think a lot of us were scratching our head at how this event came together and what they were up to and why they were there and allowed to be doing this. Look, if he got into a fight with somebody in that hallowed ground, i think a lot of people would like to know about that and i suspect we will continue to know more about it. Our reporters are digging into it. Its disgraceful the way he talked about our veterans, and it wouldnt surprise me at all if he was doing things he shouldnt be doing. And thats the tomb of the unknown soldier, and often times there are cameras there to tape what happens. All right, i appreciate it. Thank you very much. Before we go, on saturday september 7th, join me on democracy live, our fan event in brooklyn, new york, where you will hear thoughtprovoking conversations as we get closer and closer to november. Scan the qr code. Do it quickly on your screen, or go to msnbc. Com democr by your tickets. 3 00 p. M. Eastern. 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