The 11th hour with Stephanie Ruhle starts right now. Tonight, the homestretch begins, and it begins with new doubts about the crucial first debate. How a dispute over microphones may jeopardize the september 10 showdown. And jd vance claimed that donald trump would veto a National Abortion ban, but is anyone actually buying this . Greetings, im Symone Sanders townsend, in for Stephanie Ruhle. Early voting starts in less than a month and the first mail in ballots will actually be sent out next week. The conventions are over and the sprint to election day is on. One of the biggest days between now and then, the president ial debate currently scheduled for September 10th On Abc but trump is threatening to pull out. Tonight the trump and Harris Campaigns doing over next months critical president ial debate. This morning, trump casting doubt about attending and now a new wrinkle. The deal was we keep the same roles. Now they want to make changes because she cant answer questions. In the last phase off at the Biden Campaigns request, candidates microphones were muted while the other candidate was speaking to prevent interruption but now the Harris Campaign is asking for the microphones to be left on at all times. Trumps Campaign Objective but the candidate seemed to acquiesce while taunting the Vice President. I would rather have it probably on. Shes trying to get out of it because she doesnt want to debate. Shes not a smart person. Harris has been off the trail since her acceptance speech last thursday. Sources tell nbc news shes held at least one mock debate. All of it as former President Trump was in battleground michigan looking to step on any Harris Post Convention bounce. Campaign sources tell nbc news hes planning more aggressive fall travel and while harris gets the advantage on healthcare and abortion rights. Under kamala harris, American Veterans are treated worse by far and illegal aliens, they stay at hotels, we have veteran sleeping on the street. Speaking to a National Guard conference, trump slammed the Vice President over the chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan. Today trump laid a wreath at arlington. The humiliation in afghanistan set off the fall of respect for americans. Lets bring an in the panel. Lets start with this debacle, donald trump appeared in the video today and he appeared to undercut his own staff telling reporters that he would prefer the microphones to be on but thats not what they agreed to. Is this another sign that donald trump actually doesnt know how to handle Vice President harris, doesnt know what he wants to do. Is this just a function of Donald Trumps staff doing what theyre supposed to, running that bus right over them. I love to be a fly on the wall. I mean, this is a process, this is a similar process what the former president did before the biden debate going back and forth about the rules, questioning out loud why he should even do it, trying to undercut larger impressions of biden being a good debater. He tried to put pomp and circumstance in and hype it up and theres a reality, the former president hasnt figured out exactly how to hit Vice President harris, so hes trying to figure out what the lines of attack should be and i think for the Harris Campaign, they are excited, they recognize something about the Vice President , i wont say exactly what, triggers the former president. They know he can get upset so they want the mics to be on because they want to goad him into a personal attack because thats where they feel, that could be used in their advantage. You know, at this point, it does seem as though the debate is in doubt. My wager is on that it still going to happen but i lost money before. Who do you think needs it to happen more, the question of who wants it more, at this point, it seems that the Harris Campaign once it more but the question is, do they need it, who needs this debate . Honestly at this point, harris doesnt need it more, she really needs to be in front of others, people who have not been as tuned in as they should have been over the last four years as she has been Vice President. I think she needs the opportunity to go toe to toe against donald trump and show the country what that looks like. She the one who needs to be up on the debate stage, countering trump, putting out the democrats message in a clear and concise way, and i get why they want to have that microphones on. Like justin was saying its about goading the president and its about, and i get why the biden camp wanted them off, they wanted President Biden to be able to deliver his message and that was the goal. The Harris Campaigns goal is, they know that she can deliver even if trump is trying to talk over her. Theyre hoping that trump says something during his time with the mics on that is so off message and offputting that it puts her over the top. I mean, not a bad strategy. Tyler, again, i think the debate is still happening, the candidates are appearing as though its happening. What can you tell us about the various Camps Preparation . We were just talking about the Vice President has started Debate Reparation assuming she would debate senator vance, her team had asked grimes to play jd vance but that had not formally started that they were underway preparing for a debate in which he would play in the undercard real and that obviously things shifted dramatically so she has a team of aides that prepared her in 2020 and there leading that debate prep, they pulled in some longterm aids that have worked closely with the Vice President , theyre starting to hold mock debates at howard university, obviously where she attended. A space that she has returned to for big moments but also practice, i mean so we expect to see those continue to ramp up and continue to hold more discussions in a more traditional manner of going over policy, ideas, and moving into the formal, mock debates. Trump, has a different process here, we know he underwent some prep before the biden debate. I think him and his advisors felt that went well and that is why we are seeing some of this back and forth over what the rules will look like because trump by all accounts, his team was satisfied with the debate performance. He told people that he ended up kicking joe biden off the ticket. I think he will continue to have some of the less traditional debate preparations going over policies, Tulsi Gabbard will be helping him out, obviously she sparred with Vice President harris, shes becoming a surrogate for the former president. I do think this debate over the debate will, arguably, the most important date before election date for these two candidates, so much has changed over the last few months and that is the only time americans will see them in the same place. I will say the last time we were talking about a debate of this magnitude, it was between President Biden and former President Trump, and ive talked to many people that believe sans that debate, joe biden would still be at the top of the ticket. I guess my question is the strategic decision to have this internal conversation spill out into the rest of the world this morning, because last night when we went to sleep this was not a focal point that everyone was aware of, the debate about the microphones. I think this has been a pattern that was in place when biden was on the ticket, they kind of put that first marker down saying we will have the debate, these are our requirements, this is the time we want to have them be and these are the networks, and at first the Trump Campaign tried to add onto that in the Biden Campaign was like nope, we are not doing that and then they acquiesced. Here, you see the now Harris Campaign putting out their own markers of what they want to happen, and just like previously the Trump Campaign has acquiesced. I wonder if we see that again now. But theres a real point i think to make about the significance of this debate and how its going to set up the rest of the day in the campaign. Obviously, the june 27 debate did not go the way that democrats wanted here again they are goading the Trump Campaign to show up and they believe itll go differently but theres a lot of potential downside for the Vice President , if, because she is not in the practice of engaging with reporters because shes not in the practice of having these unscripted moments, we know that she prepares, sometimes over prepares for these big highstakes moment, but because shes not in the practice outside of that debate space, she could be potentially caught on the back foot, thats a place that she likes to be because she the prosecutor and she likes to go back and forth in these high profile moments but still i think there is a downside for her potentially if she does not perform well. That is something we heard leading into the biden and trump debate. We heard that biden was not doing enough Public Events to be prepared for that back and forth. The first time he was off teleprompter and script, just challenged on his feet, we are seeing the similar concerns for the Democratic Party. What folks are talking about is the lack of a sitdown interview that the Vice President has yet to be shions since she has become the nominee. They say that she will sit for an interview by the end of the month. The end of the month is this friday. What do you think is most important for the Vice President to get across in the interview, and to whom is she getting and across to because ive raised this issue with voters, former colleagues of mine as well as folks in the media apparatus, and everyone says something different. I think in this case, the people that she is trying to reach, its the people who, im not going to lie, i think it does come down to the elite guard behind her, they support her, they agree with her. Im talking about at least in the Democratic Party, and to a lesser extent, the media, to be able to say that she can talk about policy without a teleprompter in front of her, to prove that she has the chops to really be the person who is able to leave the country. I think that is the focus of what an interview is supposed to do. It is supposed to show the people who are watching and yes, whenever she does do a sitdown, there will be millions of Average Americans who see clips of it online, the Highlight Reel of it. And they will take away from that however she performs but i think the focus on having the specific sort of format, she has to sit down with an interviewer who asks her what is in our mind, tough questions, and be able to have a good answer. That is a metric that people who are used to watching politics are looking for, and people will continue to ask these questions about whether she can do it. Personally, i think there is something a little bit self centered in that, as we are trying to like help shape what is going on in this campaign. Its still important for her to show that she has the grasp on all of the issues, on i guess sort of the gravitas that is necessary to be president. Let me throw Something Else on the table. A lot of candidates do a lot of interviews and the gravitas has yet to show up in some of the interviews its no secret, i was a spokesperson for the Vice President at one time so ive seen her answer the questions but when we talk about polling for example, pollsters, trumps pollsters are predicting about four harris after the convention. I think the polls are not predictive but they are indicative of what the voters are feeling. Public opinion, i think is often informed by what they see and read. So could an interview affect the Public Opinion and the polling . I mean, absolutely. Its entirely possible that if she sits down for an interview, has a home run or if she did sit, it can have an effect on the polling on how people perceive her, polls are a snapshot of a moment that we used to infer something about the country at large. Its an imprecise science but because we have so few days, that does put the pressure on these moments, because people dont have as much data to work off of as they would otherwise. Small things can have big impacts, that is very true. If she hit a homerun, i dont know if that would bring her very much up in the polls, the Honeymoon Factor that trumps pollsters were talking about, that does tend to happen after the convention and things to timing we are seeing the Harris Campaign really benefiting from that at the moment. But i think that when she does have this interview with whatever network she does, i dont predict a huge bump in the polls but i think if it does go badly we could see it affect her slightly. I know you all want to chime in on the interviews. I will let you get your moment but i will say this, harris and her running mate will be on the Campaign Trail and they will be in Georgia Campaigning Together For The First Time in the state, the Vice President will hold a solo rally in savannah. And i asked the campaign cochair, are they going to do an interview on the bus and he said he did not know at the moment. But he thought the interview would happen. Obviously, interviews matter. Lets be clear. And if theres any question about that, look at the president and George Stephanopoulos or Many Democrats who said it was that interview on top of the other things that happened in the last debate that concerned them. So i think we are all on the same page. We will see when the interview happens. More than that, though, literally, people are going to start voting in a couple of weeks, mailin ballots are going out next week. I hear people talking about the honeymoon period but it is possible that this could just be the tone and tenor of the campaign all the way through election day. I think they are hoping that this honeymoon period, the search of momentum is being translated into actionable things on the Campaign Trail like voter registration, like a sustained cash flow that they are seeing. I think they are hoping for that. I think an interview is important. Its important to prove to the media that she can do it. Important to prove to the democratic class that maybe they werent so right about her and she is actually a really good candidate, but i also think its important for the american public. Im not saying she needs to do 60 minutes the first time out or anything like that. But i do think there is an opportunity to. To the media class that she can do it which is selfserving, for us, but its also a chance to prove to the American People about who she is. Tyler, i will remind folks speaking of that, the Vice President harris has never done an interview in the four years that shes been in office. Its not just the act of Doing Interviews but i think theres a lot of questions about what is her policy, what is her 100 day agenda, if shes elected, what will drive her, what is she going to focus on, what is her vision for the American People, being part of this compressed timeline, she has taken over the campaign, weve got more of a story and a biography and that makes sense but theres also a state of the campaign where you need to outline, if you elect me, this is what you can expect me to do. Her Policy Positions have changed a lot, what she wanted to be on issues related to healthcare, issues that matter to the American People. Its important to have her clarify what her vision is for america. Everyone has questions for Vice President harris. Thank you so, so much. Coming up, folks, when you think of champions, who do you think of . 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I had a problem reaction, trump can hide from the record but there are receipts, timelines, their screenshots, he just cant wait a lot of this and you heard it here, he does not regret it. More people need to know that he is to blame for the cutting of Roe Versus Wade. Congressman, can i ask you what your reaction was, because its one thing for donald trump to have the line about, its with the states now, some of his advisors were split on that but its one thing to say that but its a whole other thing to make these forceful assertions about protecting womens reproductive care and siding with reproductive care when i literally just played a couple of clips and those are all within the last couple of months . Symone, she mailed it when she said women arent stupid. In this case you see him betraying both his base but also trying to lie to the voters that he betrayed in the first place on the issue of reproductive freedom. And he clearly is reading the polls or at least knows that this issue is getting him in trouble. I believe seven out of seven times when this has been ballot tested, the advocates for reproductive freedom largely aligned with democratic politics, they have won. And his position is a drag on his race but weve said the problem for trump is, america has the receipts. And the real question is, what in this race actually matters because even the prolife groups that he has aligned himself with, who are offended by this and rightly called him out on this flipflop, they are not going to move to harris, are they going to not show up . I dont know if that is the case. This will be framed by the search and momentum of ice president harris against a listless donald trump who has no way to expand his base. He will not expand his base on this issue whatsoever. David makes an important point, this position is upsetting, advocates for reproductive freedom, its upsetting advocates who are what they would call antiabortion advocates, its literally upsetting everyone but i dont think that the voters are as upset, but what about moderate republican women, do you think that this will speak to moderate republican women . I think of kansas, im from nebraska, there are not enough democrats to pass it well initiative but republicans did have to vote about that. Donald trump created this hands down. But if you look at 2023, the election of 2023 and you look at the 2022 midterms, voters are telling us what they think across party lines and geography, Battleground On battleground, voters have told us since the falling of roe, they are not in agreement with this reach in our rights. What i am most curious about is not will voters accept any version of this, what im eager to look at is how much is trump going to hurt down ballot, a lot of these voters like you mentioned, do really care about this and are going to continue to be offended by this attack. You cant just say leave it up to the states because in arizona, their version of that was in 1864 abortion ban. They tried time and time again to not let voters have their will and be able to vote. He created this chaos. They are scared of what they are seeing and its obvious. Do you think more women are going to specifically go to the polls in november given the issues that are on the ballots in key battlegrounds across the country . Women are going to decide this election and i think they well decided in favor of Vice President harris. Its the call to moderate voters, the voters who have said we dont want donald trump leading the country and we dont want him speaking for our healthcare or our family. 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We are talking about a couple of rules, most recent one was just a few weeks ago, and it resulted in boards voting against certifying Election Results. The language is kind of vague which is where a lot of the concern comes from. Im going to read you a little part of it. If members identify an error, the board should determine a method to compute the votes, that language is vague and could be interpreted in a lot of different ways. I raised my eyebrows because it sounds extremely vague, the board is made up of three republicans, three of which trump praises as quote unquote, Pit Bulls Night have the Governors Office, talking about Governor Kemp and hes trying to figure out if he can move these individuals. Any inkling or reporting on if Governor Kemp has gotten the ability to remove these individuals . Democrats say georgia could be very clear. And this is not about Governor Kemp removing the individuals. Hes referring to an Administrative Court who would hold a hearing and decide whether these Ethics Complaints should move forward and the Board Members should be removed. Right now, the Governors Office is awaiting word from the ags office and the ags office said they would have comment at some point soon and we are still waiting to hear back. I think you make an important point about the makeup of the board. It has been republican majority for quite a while now, what has changed is some of these more mainstream members, republican lawyers, who applied the law, they have been replaced by more Activists Members who come into elections motivated by these, since the 2020 election. To be clear, at least two of the three republicans on the board, they do not believe that the Election Results in 2020 were fair and accurate. And when you cover the appearance the hearings which can last 10 to 11 hours, you hear many of these complaints about Election Integrity not only from members of the board but from the folks who are sponsoring the proposed rule changes and from dozens and dozens of people who come to participate in Public Comment and raise countless Conspiracy Theories that have existed since the 2020 election. Georgia is obviously a state to watch this election season. I mean and 2020, biden won the state by a little under 12,000 votes and now Vice President harris, and the running mate, they have are about to kick off a bus tour in georgia. How significant is this, particularly the South Georgia people, not talking about atlanta here. When i saw the schedule announcement, it struck me because for the last several years, ive spent time reporting on rural areas outside of atlanta. When democrats come, they spend a lot of time in Metro Atlanta but when the race is so close, you need to get any pocket where they may lie. Georgia has significant populations of black voters outside of the metro, macon, savannah, albany, also in Rural Communities where folks may not think as a place for potential democratic voters and thats where the Harris Walz Campaign is looking to turn out these voters, even if its just dozens or hundreds, that can make a difference, election day in a state like georgia. One could argue it is a turnout election. Sam, thank you so much. When we come back, israel and hezbollah, traded rockets over the weekend. We are going to get into why that might mean the middle east could escape an all out war. We will get into it when the 11th hour continues. Hour conti. Ice cream on you . Your money is a part of your community, so your bank should be too. Like, chase i still love to surf, snowboard, so your bank should be too. And, of course, skate. 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Tensions have been mounting since last month when israel assassinated a Senior Commander sparking fears of a regionwide war that could drag in the united states. Our hope is that the events of last night do not spill out into an escalation that leads to a regional war. It comes as sirens sounded in tel aviv. The middle east is breathing a sigh of relief but a lasting peace will depend on talks that so far seem like theres no success. Michael, both israel and hezbollah are claiming that the operations were a success. What is your read on that . Good to be with you, symone. I think this is a fortat thing. I dont think weve seen the end of this. The creating of muscles and rockets, leaders from both sides have said as much but i think we are looking at hezbollah, and the iranian leaders, they are in the top spot right now because thats after the double assassination, they have to establish a sense of determination by showing a sense of strength but also showing the strength to their own people that they will not take this lightly. The israeli assassination in iran is something that showed vulnerability and weakness, so they are going to have to strike back but i think for the moment, what seems to be working giving pause is, the u. S. Military presence in the region, maybe behind the scenes, diplomacy that we can see very obviously from where we are. Recent reports set after their latest attack, you know, essentially, we are done here. But iran has not said anything. Do you think we will see any retaliation from them in the coming days or weeks or will we be waiting longer for their response . I think we will. But also remind everyone that the form of retaliation can come in many ways, having been based in ukraine so long, we know it very well. And there are Cyber Attacks that can happen. So we need to remind people as well iran poses not only a threat to israel and the region but also to the wider world. Just yesterday, they sent 100 drones by russia, and more in the past two hours. So it is a threat that needs to be taken care of not only because of what they are doing in the region but also in the wider political sense. Youve made the point about diplomacy, and literally as we speak, and israeli delegation is in cairo for ceasefire talks, this is despite being on the brink of an all out war yesterday. All of the sides continue to be optimistic but cautious. Where do things stand now . Look, i dont think its looking good at all because when you look at benjamin netanyahu, he is fighting for his political life, he needs to look very tough. A wartime president , and he has pledged to destroy hamas completely. So he is in no position to give pause to what is going on in gaza because it appears that that would give hamas a chance to rebuild. And then from hamas, their side, the leader whos been hiding forever, one of the most hunted man on the planet needs to show strength as well, to his followers, and the sad thing is here, is that there is nothing, nothing to indicate that there is nothing going on above their tunnels, more than 40,000 dead, weve seen the first case of polio, things are very bad, we cant just put the blame on them but this is turning into a huge humanitarian disaster as well. Both sides will want to tread carefully to win the most points but i dont see any meetings anytime soon. Your assessment is absolutely correct. Thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it. When we come back the small steps, the epic ending to the Little League world series, when the 11th hour continues. 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Bottom of the eighth, Extra Innings in Little League play, man on second, Hunter Alexander at the plate from lake mary, hoping to advance the runner but this happened, what a bunt, Chinese Taipeis player along with the first baseman, both going to the ball leaving the bag wide open. Once you made contact and the ball started to roll, what were you thinking . I was saying stay fair and stay fair and nobody is at first and that was great. And did you see him throw the ball into right field . Right after i looked up im like lets go. Teammate mason was the player who scored a day before he had to sit out because of a 100 to favor but sunday with the errors being committed at first, he ran as fast as he could rounding third, stepping on home plate for the victory. I got the walk off. It was a thrilling day for lake mary but devastating for Chinese Taipei leading nearly the entire game to go down with the wild play at the end. All the florida kids are gathered and holding and hugging the kid from taiwan. The lake mary celebration on the field, outside the stadium and all the way back in central florida. I got like 100 text from my friend, telling me congratulations. Keep fighting, stay alive. We never quit. A victory not only for these Little Leaguers but for the state, the first title for florida after nine tries, all because of that bunt heard around the world. Thank you, tom, for that report. Congratulations to the lake mary team and thank you for showing the world how to be gracious winners. I think they say the kids, they are going to be all right. On that note, i wish you a very good night, remember, you can catch me saturday and sunday mornings on our show, the weekend, until then from all of us across the networks, and all of our colleagues of nbc news, thank you so much for staying up late. I will see you at the end of tomorrow. Of tomorrow