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called me up three or four times. >> oops. for the first time, donald trump lets slip that he actually lost the 2020 election to joe biden. the journalist who extracted that confession joins me in a moment with even more never before heard clips that will make you wonder what's going on with this guy's mentals. >> also tonight, trump's getting exactly what he needs from his allies on the supreme court, who continue to drag out their decision on presidential immunity. plus, louisiana's governor forces the ten commandments into public school classrooms. when his state has far more pressing concerns. like its extremely low education rankings. but we begin tonight a week out from the first and historically the earliest presidential debate between biden and trump, and how it will set the tone for the final months of the presidential campaign. over at "the new york times," trump whispering maggie haberman has new reporting on how trump is preparing or not to face president biden next week. cue the endless speculation of the media industry of trump's reported policy session, the lack of stands-ins and roll playing, who stands where, who has the last word or the last gaffe. there will be lots of talk about biden and trump making history in the first presidential debate between an incumbent and former president. but that's not the only historical tidbit to go in the books. i would argue that the most important piece of information leading up to this debate is that trump is an adjudicated criminal and sexual assaulter and he's running for president anyway. how is that a thing that's happening and being treated as if it's normal intrump is an actual felon, a convicted criminal is about to be debating on the presidential stage for the first time in americans history. and he's waving around a threat of pardoning other criminals, namely the hundreds of violent criminals districted in connection with the attack he inspired on the u.s. capitol where about 140 police officers were injured as insurrectionists brandished firearms, stun guns, bear spray, axes, hatchets, and even a massive trump sign. these people were waving the confederate flag and bludgeoning people with poles carrying the american flag upside down or rightside up. so given that context, who really cares what his debate prep is? especially given that donald trump doesn't really prep for anything or so he says, because remember, trump's public image is what matters to him the most. but there is also an inconvenient truth interfering with that image. not only is trump a criminal, as determined by a jury, he's also someone who is arguably in mental and perhaps cognitive decline. it's pretty clear if you just listen to the man. >> under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten no longer. and it wasn't forgotten man and woman, four years ago was not forgotten. >> i hope the mill -- i hope the military revolts at the voting booth. >> by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today. well, they weren't really that angry. they bit off the leg because of the fact they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. >> water starts flooding and i'm getting concerned, but then i look ten yards to my left and there's a shark over there. >> he's teleprompters are just gonzo, folks. >> it does seriously beg the question, is this man okay? the latest look behind the curtain of trump's mental decline comes from the new book, apprentice in wonderland, how donald trump and mark burnett took america through the looking glass. author and variety coedter in chief, who interviewed trump a half dozen times in writing this book, provides the receipts. here's exclusive audio from one of the interviews where they spoke about the late comedian joan rivers and her appearance on the celebrity apprentice. >> joan said she was a republican. did you know that? >> i thought she might have been a republican. i know one thing. she voted for me according to what she said. >> okay, well, there's just one minor problem with that. joan rivers died two years before the 2016 election. a little too early for early voting. and just as they were talking about rivers, trump seemed to claim he had to wrap up their discussion because he had pressing matters dealing with afghanistan, as if he still had some foreign policy powers after leaving the white house. >> the reason i'm doing this and devoting a lot of time to it, i have to get up because i'm doing the whole thing with afghanistan. has he blown that afghanistan -- >> ramin joins me now. congratulations on the book. let me ask you just a couple leading-in questions. had you interviewed donald trump before 2021? this is after he left the presidency. had you interviewed him before? >> thank you for having me on, joy. i have interviewed him before. in fact, this book started because when i was a young reporter at newsweek in 2004, i was in my early 20s. starting to cover different beats as a journalist. one of the things i started to cover in newsweek was tae tae, and as a young journalist, i always had such great access to donald trump because what he loved more than anything else was talking to reporters. he didn't have a publicist, he didn't have anyone handling his press inquiries. as a young reporter, that was great to have such direct access to someone i was covering, the star of a reality show was very helpful. i could always get him on the phone and get an interview with him. >> that is good information to have, because you then are in a good position to tell us how he's changed in the time that you used to interview him when he was on "the apprentice" and when you interviewed him for your book, these more recent encounters. >> it was always interesting during his first term as president because i wondered that. i wondered has the presidency changed him. has he evolved? is he more reflective about what's happening in the world? and the truth of the matter is the donald trump i sat down with for six times after he left the white house is the same man that was playing a reality star on "the apprentice." he's not changed at all. he loves to talk, he loves to hear himself talk, and he loves to be at the center of the spotlight. >> i have seen a couple of your other interviews, you talked to chris hayes and nicolle wallace yesterday and today. one of the things that was striking to me, i want to go two directions. you talked utthat, that point. he still lives in "the apprentice." that's still where his mind goes. and i ask you that because those of us who have season citizens in our lives, older folks who are starting to lose a little cognitive capacity, and i have some of those in my life. one of the things you do notice is they go where their mind goes is to a place where they're comfortable, when they can't remember their words and when they can't remember other things that they want to recall but they can't. it's easy to kind of go right to where you're comfortable. do you sense that he is sort of mentally stuck in "the apprentice"? >> absolutely. he is still living in a world in which he is the star of "the apprentice." there were times when he would talk about the show where it almost felt like he was talking in the present tense. he actually was talking in the present tense, as if he was going to go back and do another season, as if he was still playing the character. what was interesting is that his memory of "the apprentice" was much clearer than his memory of what he did in the white house. he stumbled with the chronology of recent events. he stumbled in terms of what happened in terms of our interviews. when we spoke back to back to back, he couldn't remember talking to me between our first and second conversations. his short term memory was very foggy and he had issues remembering things. >> what does he think of the presidency? you tell a story about him having still framed ratings from "the apprentice," both in mar-a-lago and in his other properties. that's the thing he seems most proud of. did he ever talk about anything about being commander in chief, about being president, about being the leader of the military, the leader of the free world, anything like that? >> we had a variety of discussions, and he referenced the presidency often and frequently, but he never spoke specifically about his accomplishments other than saying things like he helped create the vaccine. he helped save lives. but he was not interested in talking about what he did in terms of legislative accomplishments. he was not interested in talking about governing. he was interested in the fact that when he was in the white house, one story he told me is when he was in the white house, he saw someone on tv, and he called the white house switchboard and asked the operator to patch them through to that person. they were able to do that immediately. he thought that was really, really cool, the fact he could get someone on the phone quickly as president of the united states of america. >> the clip you played was of him thinking joan rivers voted for him and she was quite dead. he made it sound like he ran for president against barack obama. he seems to be stuck on barack obama. barack obama seems to live front-free in his head. do you get a sense of why that is? there are other reports, not your reporting, that he haas dropped the n-word. there's somebody who worked on "the apprentice" who said that. did he seem motivated by racial animus? what seemed to motivate him? >> i think that he has always been someone starting with the birtherism claims, he has always been someone who stoked issues with barack obama and it's no secret he thinks about barack obama frequently. he told me in my book, what was interesting is that he talked about how he really wished he had run in 2012, and he thinks that in 2012 if he had run for the office of the president, he would have defeated barack obama. he told me he thought it would be easier to defeat obama in his second term than it was to defeat hillary clinton. he made it seem like hillary clinton was a stronger contender in obama would have been in 2012. you get new insights into his resentment of the obamas. the obamas were cool, widely loved, like movie star presidents. that's something donald trump really aspires to and wants to have the american public really love him and appreciate him and feel beloved from everyone across the country. >> and that is the second place i wanted to go. he seems to be an incredibly needy person. aperson who needs celebrity, who needs fame, he's envious of barack obama having it. let me play another clip from you. this is donald trump talking to you about omarosa, who was the star villain of the first "apprentice." >> she was a great television personality the first time. and then i put her on her second time, and she bombed. she wasn't the same. i put her on the third time, she bombed. then i helped her get a job in the white house. because she was begging me for, you know, to help restore her. i do things, a lot of things, the things i do in life i do as an environment. i do out of human interest. just to see who's loyal, who's not loyal. she was actually great to me until she left, and then after she left, she got a deal, some kind of a deal, and she made some money. and she changed. she could do that too, they could all do that. >> did you get the sense he cast her in his white house because he was thinking of it as a reality show, not because he thought she had some foreign policy experience, not foreign policy, but policy? >> absolutely. he wants the ratings. he associated omarosa with ratings. she was the most popular contestant in season one. she was a villain on tv. people liked her. they liked rooting against her. he brought her back for two more seasons of the celebrity apprentice, then he brought her back again into his white house. it's all a continuation for him. his white house runs are a continuation of him peag on a reality tv show. >> you said he even refers to it as seasons. let's play one more. this is his views of dennis rodman and what he wishes he had done with dennis rodman. this is also from your interviews. >> kim jong-un really liked him. legit. and i said, you know, i can get these guys out of harvard government. and central casting. they couldn't do anything with kim jong-un. a guy like dennis could. i didn't use dennis for it, but i thought about it a couple times before i got it know kim jong-un. but dennis would have done a better job than your traditional people. kim jong-un liked him. he coached a basketball team. and he did. i asked him about that. he said i like dennis. >> asked him? >> yeah, i asked him. he liked him. and by the way, dennis liked him, too. >> you wrote, this appeared in a "new york times" article, in many ways donald trump when it comes to his running mate is casting not so much a vice president -- he's casting it, a co-star. in many ways he runs for president as extensions of his reality show. what do you think a second term donald trump would be like? >> he told me that he resented the fact that people would not allow donald to be donald. i think a second term, donald trump presidency, would be donald trump calling all the shots and embracing the reality tv side of what he does, embracing his showmanship, what he thinks he is as an entertainer even more. i think he will not compromise. i think he will not listen to advisers. i think he will be full fledged reality star mode and the american public will need to brace for that. >> very quickly, do you think he's dangerous? >> in our conversations together, he was very charming. he was charismatic. he enjoyed the attention. in terms of being dangerous, the voters need to determine that based on what they have seen and based on his policies from his first term. >> do you think he would surround himself with people we should be concerned about because he thinks it's a show. >> he won't surround himself with people who know how to engage in policy. we know that already. he surrounds himself with yes men and yes women and people who make him feel like he's in charge. >> excellent reporting. come back any time, especially if you have more tapes. we appreciate you, and well done and congratulations on the book. >> thank you. coming up next on "the reidout," one of the most dangerous aspects of a trump presidency is his wanton disregard for the rule of law which could be even more emboldened once the supreme court rules on immunity. we'll talk to a man who was attacked on january 6th about trump's pledge to pardon violent insurrectionists. 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benefactors, donald trump, is protected by presidential immunity in his election interference case. dragging out justice for yet another day. it has been 113 days since this court decided that they needed to hear this case. it's been 56 days since they heard the arguments, and for context, it took the same court just 25 days to decide whether or not trump should be placed back on the colorado ballot. in 2000, it took the supreme court just eight days to issue their opinion in bush v. gore. in 1974, it took the supreme court just 16 days to rule unanimously against president richard nixon. if leonard leo's conservative majority court has taught us anything, it's that they move at lightning speed to deliver conservative victories. when it comes to justice for all, that can wait. which plains why we're still waiting on them to tell us if donald trump could have enlisted s.e.a.l. team 6 to murder joe biden. another case they're taking their sweet time to decide is whether the department of justice went too far in bringing charges against roughly 260 people including trump himself for obstruction of an official proceeding during the january 6th insurrection. this decision could shorten the sentence of hundreds of convicted criminals. at this point, it's pretty clear this court is engaging in its own obstruction of justice. hapfully emboldening many ajuteicated criminals. joining me is a former capitol police sergeant and author of american shield, the immigrant sergeant who defended democracy. i want to start by asking you how you are? i want to let our viewers know how you're doing. >> i'm doing good compared to where i was three years ago. a lot of mental health therapy and physical as well. but i'm able to do a lot of things that i was never going to be able to do, again, physically, like playing basketball is something that i'm grateful now that i use as a way to cope with my ptsd. it helps. >> i'm glad you're able to do that. you brought something. i want you to show what that is. >> this is a reminder for you guys in your audience, not for me because i had the scars and injuries to remind me every single day when i try to do certain things or put my shoes on. these are things, shards from the tunnel entrance of the capitol, where i defended that day and i think for you guys, to see it and maybe you can show it to a republican speaker, mike johnson, because last week, he was hosting the guy who sent the mob to tear down and knock down some of the doors at the capitol where i almost died. and instead of receiving the officers, with that type of welcome, him and his party, a lot from the republican side, they embrace donald trump on that day last week, and not the officer who defended them. >> and who had to still defend him and walk him through the capitol and they were siding with the insurrectionists as well. this idea that the supreme court could reduce the sentences of some of these people, and some of these people are in -- there are 1400 people charged originally. there were 151 who were convicted. 886 were sentenced. the percentage of people who have received prison time is 64%. the number of people charged with obstruction is 260. if the supreme court were to reduce their sentences and to give donald trump immunity from prosecution, what would that say to officers like you? >> well, it would be desecration of the sacrifices we did on january 6th. and it's something that has happened because mike johnson, speaker of the house, and his maga allies have continued to degrade the judicial system to the point of aligning themselves and trying to skew and downplay what happened on january 6th. it would tell us that what we did on january 6th, we are being seen kind of like the bad guys because when you have them saying that they are hostages, warriors, and things like that, so you know, it creates a moral injury. it creates also something that where we cannot do our job, partially, impartially, because how am i supposed to do my job or the officers are supposed to do their job if they had to look in front of them and also the members of congress who don't have the best interest of the officers or downplay what happened on january 6th. so it goes -- it has a lot of ramifications. and most of them are negative ones. >> do you have friends who are still working at the capitol who feel the people i'm guarding don't care about me? they care about the people who tried to kill me. >> true, true. on a regular basis, i speak to some of them. some of them are still my friends. and they do tell me, like last week, they felt sick to their stomach. kind of like an abusive relationship. condoning what happened, seeing mike johnson and all of these senators last week holding hands with the same person who made their lives, run for their lives on january 6th, and giving him a hero's welcome, as if nothing happened. the only reason why they are alive today is because action that the officers like myself and my colleagues did on january 6th. not because the guy who they are receiving as a hero. he didn't do anything to keep them safe. for god's sake, he's the one who sent them to the capitol. and here they are embracing him like nothing happened. they're okay with having a dictator or an authoritarian person because it's somebody from their party. that's not democracy. that's not what we defended on january 6th. look, i went to iraq. i was deployed in iraq in 2004. and i went to fight for democracy. that's what we worked toward at that time. here we are in the united states, 20 years later, and the party who sent me over to iraq are supporting somebody who wants to be a dictator. that should be striking, and you should fear that because it's nothing good that will come out of that. >> sergeant, i want to say thank you from my heart and from this show and from all of the people who are watching here, for what you and your fellow officers did. we believe you're heroes because we have good sense and we understand democracy. >> and if i may, one last thing. also, speaker of the house mike johnson is still holding in committee the plaque of the january 6th officers who should be placed in the tunnel of the capitol before the next president, future president before they take over, where they will read the name of the officers who risked it all to defend the capitol of the united states. >> thank you for making that clear. we'll follow up on that story. thank you very much. coming up, the absolute lewd crossty of the louisiana governor, signing a bill requiring classrooms to display the ten commandments and saying he cannot wait to get sued. what happened to the separation of church and state? we'll discuss. i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known 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poverty rate nationwide and the third lowest median income of any state, ahead of only virginia and mississippi. there's also their history of overincarceration to fuel its use of forced labor. as of 2022, they had the second highest incarceration rate in the country behind, again, mississippi. louisiana had been starting to turn around some of its dismal statistics under its previous democratic governor, john bell edwards, in his two terms in office, he expanded medicaid under obamacare, and launched a criminal justice overhaul that successfully pushed louisiana out of the top spot as the nation's most incarcerated state. they were also making slow and steady progress in education, making improvements in testing and math, science, and social studies as well as reading. last year for the first time in five years reading scores for louisiana third graders went up, but it seems there's only one thing louisiana's current republican governor, jeff landry, seems to care about louisiana being able to read. >> this bill mandates the display of the ten commandments in every classroom in public elementary, secondary, and post education schools in the state of louisiana. because if you want to respect the rule of law, you have to start from the original law giver, which was moses. all right. >> god gave, moses received. >> he got his commandments from god. all right. >> all right. even before he signed that law making louisiana the first and only state so far requiring the ten commandments be displayed in every classroom, he was touting it as a right wing culture war victory. he told a fund-raiser in tennessee he can't wait to be sued over the law. he's gotten his wish. four groups, the aclu, the freedom from religion foundation, and americans united for separation of church and state, are suing louisiana. joining me is rachel laser, president and ceo of americans united for separation of church and state. so you're giving him his wish. what they're arguing is the president of the louisiana family forum, name gene mills, has argued the ten commandments provide the foundations for modern day law in america. can't seem to find it in the constitution, but your thoughts. >> my thought is this law is a prime example of christian nationalism, the christian nationalism that's on march across this entire country. what we're talking about is school children from a variety of different religious backgrounds and none who are being forced to read and venerate the school's preferred brand of christianity. that's why americans united for separate of church and state was created. that's why we're suing in court with our partners. as a mom, i want to just point out that we're talking about the religious freedom of school children. children. they're captive audiences in school. they're impressionable. no children should be made to feel afraid of being ostracized or bullied or like they don't fit into the in group, they're part of an out group based on religious beliefs. religious freedos belongs to all of us. >> they are feeling the wind at their backs, the criz nationalists, because there have been supreme court rulings in their favor. so the supreme court ruled in favor of a christian coach's right to pray on the 50 yard line. this is in the kennedy v. bremerton school district in 2022. there are other cases this supreme court is ready to rule in favor of christian nationalism. are you concerned a lawsuit you're filing could go back to this supreme court, and they could affirm that the entire country can have this? >> we have to be concerned. by the way, that kennedy v. bremerton case, we lost, we're very concerned. we not only have a series of rulings in favor of a football coach being allowed to pressure players to pray at a public school on the 50 yard line in favor of a state, maine, being forced to fund religious education with taxpayer dollars. overturning roe v. wade, the list is long. now we have a supreme court justice who is telling us he's aligned. verbally and with the flag. he flew outside of his vacation home that he's aligned with christian nationalism. so we are definitely concerned. but what would the supreme court do? can't read tea leaves, but this is a no-brainer. obvious case. this would be overruling over 40 years of precedent. here we go again, with long standing precedent. >> there was a case that specifically was about the ten commandments being displayed in classrooms. this was in 1980. so we're talking about from that era, there was a case that ruled on this, and they ruled no, you cannot display this. >> absolutely, that was stone v. graham. a very similar ten commandments display in public school classrooms in kentucky. the court said it violates church state separation. and every federal court has ruled the same way. >> the way they're arguing this is somehow a foundational element in the constitution, there is nothing about the ten commandments or the christian bible in the constitution, right? have i read it wrong? >> you read it right. the constitution promises religious freedom. it doesn't reference god. our constitution is an american original. it puts the power in the people. not in a divine entity, and it protects religion through doing that. america is a very religious country and we are because religion isn't forced on anyone. >> it is ironic to me these are the same people who will make the argument that a pride flag in a classroom is indoctrination, but they don't think the ten commandments is indoctrination. i see some irony there. >> yes, indeed, i was just on a conservative talk show where they made that exact argument. there is no separation of flag and state. there is no separation of sexuality and state. there's a separation of church and state. >> absolutely. i hate to break it to folks but moses was not a christian. that religion did not exist. he was jewish so it's the torah you want to be displaying, but that's not supposed to be in 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sending you. they're not sending you. they're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. >> count 29 guilty, count 30, guilty. count 31, guilty. count 32, guilty. count 33 and 34, guilty. >> they're rapists. >> it took less than three hours for a new york jury to find former president donald trump liable for sexually abusing writer e. jean carroll. >> the same guy who kicked off his 2016 presidential campaign by calling mexicans rapist and criminals is once again running for president. this time as an adjudicated sexual abuser and convicted crimial. the irony, yet it's no surprise donald trump is using the same bigoted hateful playbook he did back then. this time the fearmongers involving what he calls biden migrant crime, which let's be clear, is not a thing. crime is actually declining significantly over the year -- over the last year, and there's no data to support the claim that people who are undocumented are committing crimes as a higher rate than citizens. but apparently that doesn't matter to fox as they blanket the airwaves with any story that fits their favorite narrative. >> many of these illegals have no documents or identification at all. no passports, no licenses, nothing. that's why we're seeing violent crimes committed by illegal immigrants spiking. >> biden says he's keeping families together. but what about the american ones that were torn apart by migrant criminals? where's the executive order protecting us? ? he's 100% responsible for every life stolen by the illegal aliens that he has let in by the millions, many of whom within that number are rapists, are child predators, are murderers. all of this on joe biden's head. all of it on his conscience. there are rivers of blood on the hands of joe biden. and it's been a dumping crime for criminal migrants. >> wow, he's weird. they're saying that at the same time excusing and enabling the convicted felon and accused sexual assaulter running for president on the republican line. but there's also the rich irony in the fact that some of those who are spouting this anti-immigrant vitriol are the children and grandchildren of immigrants themselves. donald trump is married to an immigrant who got a special entry deal for herself and her family. his mother was an immigrant, his father the son of german immigrants. florida governor ron desantis despite signing one of the strictest anti-immigration laws in the country is the great grandchild of italian immigrants. under current law, his great-grandmother wouldn't be able to enter this country if she migrated to the u.s. today. there's also florida senator marco rubio, the son of cuban immigrants for a while wasn't as anti-immigration as most of the right. back in 2010, he actually spoke out against arizona's extreme show me urpapers law. but now that he's gone full maga, apparently he's cool with it, supporting trump and his plan to conduct mass raids and deportations. when you think about it, it is a very republican thing to do, turn on your own. a lot of these very people on the right, including some of those same fox hosts. probably rely on immigrant labor for their everyday lives. the people they stereotype on the stump and on tv are the same people they depend on to cultivate and cook their food, clean their homes, cut their lawns, do their manicures, build their mini mansions, you name it, and i belt you a multimillion dollar fox salary they don't ask for their papers. rubio and desantis' state couldn't operate without immigrants, and the vast majority are not committing crimes. they're working, working harder than anybody at fox or in any republican governor's mansion, and we'll break down the many hypocrisies next. florida man ron desantis first started trying to stand out from a crowded gop primary field by turning migrants into political props and shipping them, first to martha's vineyard, before expanding to other grant, graphic cities across america. looking back at the start of the presidential primaries, it is now clear that it served as a warning sign for what has become the right's increasingly hostile record a certain type of immigrant, republican fear mongering about immigration and about a so-called innovation is actually from what is happening on the ground. but, now, and democratic pollster and msnbc political analyst, great to see you. this is the thing that makes me so crazy i think that when you look at states like florida, their economy would actually collapse without migrant workers. we have got a couple of things here. the number of unauthorized immigrants in the u.s. labor force. you can see in going up, up, up, from '95 to 2021, as our economy has gotten stronger and places like florida have taken in $7.75 billion mainly from the agricultural field. wyotech your workforce? >> because donald trump has asked them to because it's what you need to do to be a maga republican today. in the cold, you always obey the cult leader, know matter how absurd and crazy with the coleader says. joy, a couple of quick points here as well. in addition to economies collapsing, think about the fact that undocumented immigrants and many immigrant populations currently in the net estates paid billions every year into entitlement programs, social security, medicare, not to mention every of the program they are not going to benefit one red sent from, but that the american committee in public as a whole, american citizens, of course, will benefit tremendously from. historically, as well, you also have to consider, joy, really quick , we have never had a wave of immigrants in this country, our history, that hasn't added and grown the country and made the country prosper, despite the demonization that has been consistent from the right, a lot of times, every immigration wave that has happened >> absently. reminded that and how he migrants were first brought to places in the south like louisiana because blacks were leaving. when the great migration happened, they still needed plantation labor. the earliest laborers, italians, second lynched most people after 11 were lynched in new orleans, hated, then they said, okay, they brought irish into work in the mines, they were hated and they matriculated them in. there's always been this eight. it seems weird to me that it is the grandchildren, and sometimes the children of immigrants, who are the most hostile to fellow descendents. people like desantis and rubio. doesn't make sense to me. we were both children of immigrants. >> i can't explain the moral repugnance, the stark, raving hypocrisy, but really, the lack of humanity -- that that is displayed when you talk about that. someone like marco rubio who would never, ever have had an opportunity to do anything in this country had the immigration laws he is navigating for been in place when his parents came as economic immigrants. his parents were not exiles, as he claimed over and over again. they came for economic reasons to the united states, as they should have, by the way, in which we are glad to have had them. the fact that someone like rubio and others, ted cruz, ken -- >> byron donald, from jamaica. >> from jamaica. it is repugnant. joy, the other issue we can't ignore here is immigrants are code for race, and people of color that republicans are uncomfortable with and don't like. it is easier to demonize immigrants as a concept, and you hit on that not-so-subtle dog whistle of who the immigrants are.if we had tens of millions of people coming from sweden, finland, and norway, i doubt, the republican right, there would be the type of outrage you have seen. you have to acknowledge the fact that philp is utilizing the same language, the same demonization and the same use of immigrants now, in 2024, that hitler used in the 1930s for jews, and killed not many of them yet, but he is already on the path to putting together camps, he has called for caps, he will put this into place, mass deportation forces, the poisoning of the blood of the country. it is not just disturbing rhetoric, it is extremely dangerous rhetoric that cannot be tolerated at this time. >> yeah, and his mom came from jamaica, not him, he is from brooklyn. the reality is that these are parroting things that would have hurt their own families -- to your own important point -- but trump has already done it. he has took away more than 1000 migrants' children, some of whom are breast-feeding. is more than 1000 children still don't have their parents because he seized control of them, took the skid and separated them from their moms and dads. this is the most cruel and inhumane policy ever. you can't imagine anything other than the incarceration of japanese-americans during world war ii. it is sick.he is coming back, and again, what is causing some people that are themselves either immigrants or the daughters and sons of them, but including that you get in florida, going off on this? >> you know, there is always a reactionary look is almost self- limit component -- wanting to belong by a certain class of people. they think, maybe by being against those like them that came, that they can be more accepted into the society at large. we all know that is just a recipe for greater intolerance, greater persecution, because at the end of the day, they will be the targets eventually. it will eventually come back to those folks. when it happens, i can't explain a psychological disturbance, but it is sad to see happen. >> indeed, my friend, fernand amandi. thank you. that is tonight's "the reidout." 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