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the heat is bad for the bad between the hotter it gets, the harder it is to find your words. wow. cucumber. hot weather can result in lower scores on math tests as well as higher rates of aggression ranging from mean-spirited behavior to violent crime. well, that explains florida. the heat wave is also blasting washington, d.c. when people complain it being over 90 president biden is like see, 81 isn't so bad. just saying. i'm not kidding. it's hot out there. i spent all day sweating like a fox news anchor trying to explainp juneteenth. good morning. welcome to "morning joe," it's wednesday, june 20th. millions of people from the midwest to the northeast will face extreme heat for a fourth straight day. the national weather service is predicting record highs again in several areas, and the heat is expected to last into the weekend. also, tropical storm alberto, the first named storm of the hurricane season, is expected to make landfall soon on mexico's gulf coast. the large storm has already brought heavy rainfall and some flooding along the coasts of texas and mexico. meanwhile, two large wildfires continue to burn out of control in new mexico. police have confirmed two deaths tied to the fires raging in verduso. so far more than 23,000 acres have burned. moving to politics, the latest forecasts news survey shows biden ahead of trump, 50% to 48% among registered voters. it's the first time the president has a lead since october. the new numbers come as we are one week away from the first presidential debate, and both sides are digging into preps. but donald trump appears to make sure he lowers expectations all around, and he's starting to make executions claiming he had to face off against the moderators as well so that will be a challenge. we're going to get into all of that just ahead. with us for all of these stories and most we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau cleve at "politico, jonathan lemir, sam stein and u.s. national editor at "the financial times" ed luce. good to have you all on board. we'll begin though with the growing alliance between kim jong-un and russia's vladimir putin on full display in north korea yesterday, raising concerns in the u.s. nbc news foreign correspondent janice mackey fryar has the later. >> reporter: north korea's kim johnun pulling ought all the snaps an elaborate choreographed state dinner with russian president vladimir putin. the outcast and sanctioned leaders side by side reviewing troops, cheered by crowds of children with balloons. then in the front seat with putin behind the wheel. earlier a friendly debate over who would be first in a kim's car can i was a gift from putin last year. the two unveiled a strategic defense treaty promising mutual assistance in case either country faces aggression. the details of it not spelled out but both calling it a breakthrough. the deepening alliance raising alarms for the u.s. and the west who have worked to isolate russia over its invasion over ukraine. putin has turned to north korea which according to u.s. officials has already sent millions of rounds of ammunition, artillery shells and missiles to help russia's war effort. >> north korea is providing significant munitions to russia and other -- and other weapons for use in ukraine. >> reporter: a looming worry what north korea might gain from russia in return, including access by the sort of military technologies that could enhance kim's nuclear, missile and satellite programs. the visit and all its fanfare doing little to ease concerns. >> joining us now former supreme allied commander of nato retired four staff nato ally james stav ri tis and former asian affairs director dr. victor kha, he is latest headline "biden needs to disrupt the russia-north korea alliance before it's too late. doctor, let's start there. how? >> it's not easy. the difficulties lie in the fact that this is a renewal of a cold war alliance between the two sides. what north korea provides to russia goes deep to russian territory in terms of munitions, very hard to intercept. there's still a package of economic sanctions and actions that could be taken vis-a-vis china to try to disrupt this network. >> admiral let's talk about the implications of this alliance. some are now suggesting this shows how desperate putin is, the fact that he's got to turn to north korea, the hermit kingdom, for more supplies for his war in ukraine, but at the same time to victor's point there is worry about these two autocrats teaming up. >> sure, yeah, indeed. putin finally found a leader that he's actually taller than, so i think this is a good moment for him. in all seriousness, what we've got to worry about deeply here, exactlied a dr. cha said is the technology push that could enable the hermit kingdom to enable the 50, 60 or 70 nuclear weapons, so it's the technology, jonathan, but it's also the intelligence. putin can provide targeting, can provide access to a satellite system that russia owns and operates, so there's a package of high-tech incentives, both actual physical technology for the nuclear program as well as intelligence, command and control. we've got to be very concerned about this. final thought. they are not revealing yet the details of the agreement they have signed. signs a lot like a mutual defense pact to me. each nation would be obligated to defend the other. that's quite significant. that's what we have, for example, with japan, with south korea, with australia, with our pacific alliance. we don't want to see putin start to build something with north korea, along those lines. >> all right. i want to bring ed luce into this. ed, if you don't mind, if i could ask you to get into the mind of one of the great geostrategic thinkers of our time and i think you know who i'm talking begun, what is the strategic vision of putin and kim jong-un? what are they putting on display here, and what should the u.s. and its allies be doing right now to counter what looks like a collective threat? >> well, i mean, if referring to i think you are dr. brzezinski he coined the phrase alliance of the aggrieved way back in the 1990s where hoe was quite prophetic in how he saw the world, the nations, particularly the autocracies reacting to this new global triumphalist era of democracy that we had after the cold war. he talked about the alliance of the aggrieved, and he mentioned russia. he mentioned north korea. of course, that includes china. it includes iran, and it includes some smaller countries like cuba, venezuela, but the strategy i think that he would recommend and i think it would be utterly relevant and i think admiral stavritis would agree on this is to play on china's frees with north korea, freelancing north korea, because north korea threatens japan. japan could go nuclear at any time. that is the last thing that china wants, and we've seen in the last few days a makeup meeting between the leaders of south korea and china, south korea, and, of course, south korea is the real target of north korea. play on china's fear of anarchy in the region because this doesn't suit their interest. they want stability. >> so admiral stavritis, do you agree? >> i do entirely. i'll add another interesting small point here which is where is vladimir putin today? he's left north korea. he's in vietnam, and vietnam, by the way, has a population four times that of north korea, about 100 million, dynamic economy, very strong demographics. vietnam in many ways is a bigger opportunity for the west than north korea, so i think if dr. brzezinski were advising us today, he'd be saying not only shore up u.s., the alliances you have with japan, australia, new zealand, singapore, thailand, the philippines, those are mutual defense treaties. you ought to focus, u.s., on vietnam for exactly the reasons that ed luce is saying. you need to put pressure back so i'm quite concerned you're showing footage now of putin in vietnam meeting with president lam and others. we ought to be watching that flank as well. i think your dad would advise us to do so. it's all about alliances. >> yeah. i wanted to pick up there for dr. cha, actually a point that ed made which is our leverage, u.s. leverage is not obviously quite strong with north korea and russia, but we do have some with the chinese. obviously it's a contentious relationship, but it is a communicative relationship and strikes me, and i'm wondering if you could speak to this, that the real danger here is not necessarily a russia/north korea pact but china being more forthcoming and providing more weaponry and intelligence to the russians as they turn west to ukraine. so what do you think the u.s. officials are saying to beijing right now in light of the putin/kim jong-un meeting that just occurred? >> you're right. the chinese have not been providing weapons to russia for ukraine but they have been providing a lot of industrial support. china cannot be happy with this meeting between russia and north korea\, but they are not able to really make the decision about what to do. on the one hand, they don't want to criticize north korea too much because they don't want to push kim further into the arms of putin. on the other hand, they are not fully able to gin on with russia and north korea because they don't want to be part of a grouping in which north korea weapons are being used by russians to kill europeans today. that's not where china wants to be, so this is i think an opening for the united states, the biden straights to try to make some progress with china, whether it's with regard to new sanctions on north korea or whether it's even with regard to just an open statement about their concern about this relationship. the other thing i would say is the nato sum milt is in washington, d.c. next month. this is a real opportunity for the biden administration to work with allies, south korea and japan to work on the trilateral relationship, maybe even a defense declaration among the sides. that would be a huge step forward. >> yes, it would. former national security council asian affairs director dr. victor cha, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. there is also new tension between the u.s. and israel this morning after the biden administration rejected claims that the white house has been withholding weapons. nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell reports. >> reporter: a new and very public breach in a pivotal partnership over the flow of u.s. weapons to israel after israeli prime minister net knelt leveled a stinging accusation posting a video, notably spoken in english, for an american audience. >> it's inconceivable that in the past few months the administration has been withholding weapons and ammunitions to israel, israel, america's closest ally. >> reporter: israel says it must defeat hamas and secure the release of hostages. >> during world war ii, churchill told the united states give us the tools. we'll do the job, and i say give us the tools and we'll finish the job a lot fast sneer but his charge has been met with surprise at the white house. >> we generally do not know what he's talking about. >> reporter: the fallout was swift. a meeting expected with israeli officials in washington is off for now. that session, to discuss threats from iran is described as postponed. u.s. officials say they will not reward israel with such a meeting in response to the netanyahu video. they said they paused a shipment to israel of 2,000-pound bombs. responding 209 message secretary blinken disputed the prime minister's complaint and said that one arms shipment is being evaluated. >> because of our concerns about their use in a densely populated area like rafah. that remains under review, but everything else is moving as it normally would move. >> admiral stavritis, i'll start with you. we genuinely don't know what they are talking about is a pretty strong statement. >> wow. >> is benjamin netanyahu a good partner in this? what happened here? >> clearly he's not, and i would really draw a line under him cutting that commentary and blatantly trying to insert himself into the u.s. election cycle from all that i can see. it's wildly inappropriate to go over the head of the administration and try to speak directly to americans, not his role, not his place. he is a frustrating partner. my good friend jake sullivan, the national security adviser. >> yes. >> his head must be exploding this morning. i think about what he and tony blinken and lloyd austin have tried to do for israel, indeed, what we have done for israel for decades, and to be treated in that manner by a prime minister really shocks the conscience of diplomacy between the two nations. >> and it only heightens tensions between president biden and prime minister netanyahu who, of course, have not seen eye to eye on much in this war, the president becoming more and more public with his frustrations with how netanyahu has conducted operations in gaza and how he has no real plans for after the war there. ed luce, to the admiral's point, this seems like the prime minister going over the heads of the white house going directly to the american people. well, in about a months time he's got a bigger moment to do that. he's been invited to address congress. what do we think comes of that? this will could be a really contentious moment between the relationship between the prime minister and the president. >> yes, it could, and, it's, of course, we all remember in 2015 when he addressed congress, broke all protocol and all preps didn't by campaigning to the joint houses of congress against president obama's iran nuclear deal. at that point i think he really came out strongly as a republican -- a pro republican foreign leader which was a new one for american politics, and he's now a pro trump foreign leader. similar psychologies. arguably netanyahu is the original trump and have similar incentives, not to lose the next election, because both face potential jail time, so netanyahu is a bad actor. he has bitten the hand that feeds him again and again and again. >> yes. >> biden has supplied everything that he needed. there is no business, by the way, for that delayed shipment of 2,000-pound bombs. there is no business for 2,000-pound bombs in urban warfare, it's indiscriminate. there are bombs that go around corners and go through windows and can target people, so i'm -- i'm really puzzled as to why people like senate majority leader chuck schumer signed on to netanyahu speaking, and i don't think it's too late to rescind that invitation. >> very interesting. much more to discuss about this. retired admiral james stavritis, thanks very much for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," we're tracking the heat wave that's scorching parts of the u.s. we'll take a look at the record-setting temperatures and why human cost climate change might be to blame. plus, the supreme court could soon release its decision on whether to grant donald trump presidential immunity. a panel of legal experts is standing by with a look at what that could reason for the presumptive gop nominee in his federal election interference case and why it's taken so long to get to a ruling on this. doesn't it seem so basic? and before we go to break, a special programming note to tell you about. this monday is the second anniversary of the supreme court's decision to reverse "roe v. wade," and to mark that day i will be sitting down with vice president kamala harris for an exclusive interview. that's this monday only on "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds. "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds while i am a paid actor, and this is not a real company, there is no way to fake how upwork can help your business. upwork is half the cost of our old recruiter and they have top-tier talent and everything from pr to project management because this is how we work now. 20 past the hour. a beautiful shot of new york city. tropical storm alberto is expected to make landfall soon on mexico's gulf coast. it is the first named storm of what is expected to be an intense hurricane season. high winds and 10 to 15 inches of rain are expected today along the southern coast of texas along with flash flooding. other parts of texas' gulf west are already dealing with flooding after heavy rainfall yesterday. in new mexico, two extremely dangerous wildfires have claimed the lives of at least two people while forcing an entire town of more than 7,000 to flee. officials say both the south fork and salt fires were zero percent contain. as of late yesterday, the flames have destroyed more than 1,400 structures and burned 23,000 acres. meanwhile, millions of people from the midwest to the northeast will face extreme heat for a fourth straight day. the national weather service is predicting record highs again in several areas, and the heat is expected to last into the weekend. meteorologists say the dangerous temperatures are the result of a heat dome that is covering large portions of the country. joining us now "new york times" best selling author author of "the heat will kill you first, life and death on a scorched planet" will be released next month. seems like this might be a timely read right now, jeff. what's going on? >> well, what's going on is we're living in the age of climate chaos, you know. we have known for 100 years that burning fossil fuels puts more co2 into the atmosphere. more co2 into the atmosphere is creating a hotter climate, and we're seeing that now. it's not only that our climate is getting hotter. it's making these kind of extreme events that you were talking about there from the flooding to the heat waves to the bigger storms more and more likely, so this is the world that we have created for ourselves and that we're living in. >> jeff, it's sam stein here. yes, this is climate chaos. we've experienced a growth of climate chaos over the past couple of years. i'm wondering if you could put it in the proper scope for the readers. talk about just the sheer cost of this in both human lives but also in just dollars. i mean, we're going to be dealing with massive government investments to try to mitigate these issues and literally move people. can you speak -- i mean, it's hard to actually quantify and put in proper perspective, but can you try to talk about just how much this will dominate our public and private lives? >> well, it's going to dominate our lives in every way, that we're just beginning to see and beginning to imagine. how this is -- how do you put a dollar cost on this is very -- it's just impossible because of the scope and scale of what we're talking about here, you know. there's two parts of this. there's sort of the clean energy part of it, you know, which is reducing co2 emissions, the movement to solar and wind. i live in texas. you know, that's happening very fast there. texas is not exactly tull of tree hug earnings and yet our grid is often 60% or 70% powered by renewable energy. that's remarkable, and the price of renewable energy has gotten cheaper and cheaper. the problematic side is on the adaptation side, on the damages side. when you look at what it's going to take to sort of reimagine our cities, to reimagine our world, to reimagine where our food comes from in the light of these kinds of extreme events, it's really a massive change that we're going through, and we can go through it intelligently by being educated about this and thinking about this or talking about this or we could do the "mad max" scenario of denial and chaos which is a lot of america the past -- sadly, the path that a lot of americans seem to be choosing right now. >> there's the human toll, too. officials in saudi arabia announcing yesterday that hundreds of people, hundreds of people died there due extreme heat during religious pilgrimages. jeff, you tweeted something that struck us. you said our world was built for a climate that no longer exists. tell us what you mean. >> i think that, you know, there's a -- there's a misunderstanding about climate change and what's happening. i think there's a lot of people who think that climate change is like a broken leg, that, you know, we just need to sort of drive electric cars and recycle our bottles and do that for a little while and then everything will be okay and we'll go back to the world that we lived in in the early part of the 20th century. things will go back to normal. things are not going to go back to normal. we are moving into a completely different climate era, and the implications for that are profound. the way that our cities are arranged and built do not work in an era of extreme warming. where we get our water supply does not work in a world of extreme warming. cities like miami, the texas coast we're seeing right now, lots of, you know, buildings, houses, real estate along the water as sea levels rise and storm surges get bigger. all of that is in jeopardy. where do we get our food as the crop yields get hit by more and more precipitation, more and more heat. climate change is going to change everything about how we live and where we get our food and where we get our energy, and that's why it's so important to be educated about this, be smart about this and make better choices, because i really do think that we could, you know, build a better world and use this crisis as an opportunity. >> best selling author jeff goodell, thank you very much. the paperback edition of his book "the heat will kill you first, life and death on a scorched planet" is out on paperback july 9 and it's worth reading given what we're dealing with right now. coming up, president biden receives a boost one week before his head to head with donald trump. we'll dig into the new polling that shows biden as the leading candidate. plus a look at how trump is preparing for the debate, including his apparent efforts to raise the low bar he previously set for his opponent. 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we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. anything less than a decision by the supreme court that says a president should be held to the laws just like any other american citizen should be, anything other than that is absurd. the notion, for instance, that apparently some justices are fooling around with it. well, if the president violated the criminal law but was doing so in his official capacity there, may be a basis to say that's okay. we may step back and think about that, you know. wait a minute. a president can violate the american criminal law if he or she is doing something in their official capacity. that is an absurd and dangerous conclusion, and i'm worried given the length of time that it has taken for the supreme court to decide this case, that something along those lines might come out of the supreme court. >> what's the debate, i have to ask. former attorney general eric holder on msnbc yesterday as we await the supreme court's decision on donald trump's presidential immunity complaint. they heard oral arguments on april 25 and a decision is expected before the end of the month. another set of decisions is expected to be released this morning at 10:00 a.m. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin and state attorney for palm beach county dave arenberg joins us as well. lisa, i'll start with you. am i being too simplistic? what would the debate be happening inside the supreme court about presidential immunity and these delays are conscious, are they not? >> they are certainly conscious on behalf of at least some of the justices, particularly given their decision to schedule briefing in the way that they did. before the break john and i were talking about the schedule, and i was saying the delay itself is the win. even if we see a decision let's say tomorrow or friday, that is a full victory for jack smith and his team, the damage will have largely been done. it's not clear whether the case can be tried in the time remaining before the election or whether judge chutkan has the will to impose a trial on that schedule. you'll hear people complain bitterly, for example, that the department of juts tis policy forbids taking certain steps a certain number of days before the election whether 60 or 90 days. read very clearly, that policy is about over investigative steps like subpoenas and warrants. it's not about a trial, but nonetheless, even if the supreme court were to hand jack smith a full victory, it's not clear that that trial can be accomplished or if there is the will to make it happen. >> dave arenberg, same question. what's the holdup? >> some would say the supreme court is putting its thumb on the scale of justice here, refusing to hold donald trump accountable for his actions. jack smith saw this possibility and went to the supreme court and said, hey, why don't you come in now before the d.c. circuit court of appeals rules and let's get this out of the way and the supreme court said no, no, no, that's too early. then after the d.c. circuit court of appeals issued a very thorough, very powerful ruling, the supreme court intervened anyways and that's why so many of us are just so upset about what happened because the supreme court is supposed to be apolitical. this does not look apolitical, and, yes, it looks like trump will not get absolute immunity, but he wins by losing, as lisa said, by delaying this matter, by delaying the trial until after the election when he can become president and then call it all off. i do think it's likely though that the supreme court will issue a ruling that will send the case back to judge chutkan for some fact-finding, to determine whether trump's conduct falls within his duties of office and whether there's immunity, and so that will mean that there is no trial before the election, but judge chutkan who is motivated to get this thing going, said she will cancel her vacation if necessary could hold this public hearing where a lot of the evidence will come out into the public of trump's involvement in and before january 6, so jack smith could get a bit of a victory even if he loses. >> the delay all but ensures that the trial won't happen before the election. what are some. other possible rules that the supreme court could provide? >> you could see as i postulated earlier a complete victory for jack smith saying historically the supreme court has never found immunity for a president and never will start now. there's another possibility that said immunity could theoretically be possible in certain circumstances but on the allegations of this indictment that's the case and the third possibility, john is somewhere in between what dave just said and a complete loss for the special counsel's office which says, no, a president can be immune and on the allegations of this indictment, they think that this would qualify for immunity but, for example, it would not stop the prosecutors from introducing certain evidence, for example, with respect to presidential conduct even if certain of the conduct is itself immune from prosecution. >> ed luce, this is the latest challenge to the supreme court's frankly credibility. we're about at the two-year anniversary of the dobbs decision, but more than that in recent weeks there's been all kinds of questions of the personal behavior of some of the justices, whether that's clarence thomas accepting gifts, the role that his wife played in efforts to overturn the election, samuel eliteo and his wife and upside down flags, and now we have a moment where almost no matter the ruling, the delay in getting to the ruling seems to be hyperbeneficial to trip and, therefore, political. is there any coming back from the court? >> i think -- i find it very hard to see how. i mean, as you say, and i think as lisa and david have also implied, the real decision, the real ruling has already been taken and that is time. now, whatever they decide this afternoon or next week specifically about the contours of immunity and whether you need judge chutkan to do fact-checking is secondary to the fact that this has taken twice as long so far, 110 days since jack smith asked for their opinion as it took the supreme court to hear and rule on the secret tapes that nixon was then ordered to release in 1974. this is a -- this is a foot-dragging operation. we've got other rules coming up, none as important as that, but you've got i think credibility issues with two supreme court justices at the moment, with clarence thomas in terms of corruption and with sam alito in terms of bias and not recusing himself, but we've got one coming up just to mention this where it's conceivable they will rule that -- that people with domestic restraining orders have a constitutional right to firearms, so there are -- there are choices with this supreme court when you say has it gone too far? >> right, that's a great point. so we've got some other things going on. of course, there is a sentencing of the former president next month. i believe that's july 11. i would love to get some historical perspective on the first time a former president is convicted on felony convictions and also ask our legal panel a little bit about what to expect there, so we'll take a quick break, and we'll be right back with that. we'll be right back with that. ♪♪ hey! i'll give you $574 if you switch. for gerald? well, okay. so, what about $574 for switching your home insurance to allstate? oh, i try not to think about home insurance. too complicated. actually, allstate can handle the switching for you. —just call 'em. —it's that easy to save? yup. and you get allstate. huh, well that's a step up. goodbye, gerald. oh... check allstate first and you could save hundreds. you're in good hands with allstate. welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful day in washington as the sun comes up over the white house. the gag order and donald trump's hush money criminal case remains in effect, but the former president's attorneys say they will keep fighting to get it thrown out. that comes after new york's top court declined to hear trump's appeal of the matter earlier this week. the state appeals court dismissed trump's challenge on tuesday stating there were no constitutional grounds for the appeal. that leaves the gag order imposed by judge juan merchan in place meaning trump can still face criminal penalties for violating it. the order bars trump from going after witnesses, jurors and others who were involved in the case. following the felony convictions last month. the sentencing is scheduled for july 11. i guess, first of all, do you expect dave arenberg, the gag order to be pulled back before the sentencing? i don't, but maybe there's reason for it, and then what do you expect the sentencing? >> mika, i think the gag order will stay in place, d.a. bragg has asked for it to stay in place at least through the sentencing. a typical first time offender in this low level class e felony will get probation but trump has shown no remorse. quite the opposite. he's bashed the judge, the judge's family, the prosecutors. he's continued to show contempt for the whole process. i mean, he's violated the court's gag order ten times. a defendant who normally does that would get to think about his actions behind steel bars, but i still don't think that will happen here because, you know, trump has not been punished with anything beyond a fine for his ten violations of a gag order so why would we think that judge merchan would give him an incarceration. maybe he'll get some house arrest at mar-a-lago but we won't be wearing an orange jumpsuit any time soon. >> lisa, let's take this now. beyond the gag order we're now less than a month until we get his sentencing, july 11 just before the republican national convention from. what you know of the case, drawing upon your experience, it's understanding that it's a guess and every case is different, but what should we expect in terms of a sentence? >> i'll actually disagree with dave here. i think there's a possibility that trump gets some form of incarnation, that incarceration because of the logistical issues could come in the form of a house arrest and no in a traditional incarceration setting, but given the lack of remorse there's a number of violations of the xwog order that have not been brought to judge merchan's attention and happened on journalist watch during the trial. the district attorney's office may have made the decision it wasn't worth it at that stage to bring it to merchan's attention. they wanted to see the trial through. they wanted it completed and wanted a verdict, but that doesn't mean they are not going to go to him during sentencing and say look at all these other things that he did. look at all the other things that he said. he doesn't take your word seriously. nothing short of incarceration will be enough to get this guy to stop. >> lisa, just from -- you were in there and you watched this every accept of the way and covered every detail for us, and i'm just curious. does donald trump, defendant, seem, act, talk like someone who wants to avoid jail time? i'm just curious if he thinks it would even be politically helpful. >> i think he thinks it plight be politically helpful. certainly, mika, the reporting has been that he wants to avoid jail at all costs, that he is very much scared of anything approaching incarceration, but from a political perspective, he believes that's political gold for him. if you look at the messaging both during the trial and thereafter he's definitely trying to rile up his base with the possibility of some form of term of incarceration, and in terms of how he's talking, he's continuing to push a narrative that as i've written and others have is extraordinarily dangerous, tying the current president to the prosecution in manhattan by somehow alleging that the biden administration and specifically the department of justice was pulling manhattanal d.a. alvin bragg strings. how, through mathew coangelo who was part of the team but not its head. that variety of reasons makes no sense, factually false and dangerously and perniciously racist because it assumes d.a. alvin bragg who is black could not have executed this prosecution on his own without the supervision of a bunch of white elders. >> ed luce, i would try to ask you for historical parallels, but are there any? i don't think there are, and just curious what the view from across the pond of this is. it feels like, and i know we know we live in a little bit of a media echo chamber and read what everybody writes, but it feels like this trial, you know, was not like some of the trials of the century that we have watched in the past and yet it should have been. is it the same around the world? how are they looking at this former president convicted, found guilty on 34 felony counts, and by the way, the evidence proving this huish money payment, by the way, to a porn star that he had ran affair with while his wife was pregnant. those are details but it's out there. i mean, is there any reaction around the world that is a little bit more perhaps, i don't know, specific to the moment than what we've seen here in the united states? >> i mean, in answer to your first question i just don't think there is any possible precedent historically for a former president and a possible future one in a trial over hush money with a porn star, an ex-porn star, breaking a gag order, an imprisonage offense ten times and facing some form of incarceration. we have had former presidents put in jail, government leaders put in jail for other countries. we've had it in israel, brazil a couple of times. we've had various sort of high level criminal trials and political leaders in france so it's not that unusual to see this happening because that is how the system works. the world looks to america was the first country that said no man is above the law. the law reigns supreme court. that is what -- that is what america is known for, as a beacon for that, so i think america would be catching up with the world if trump went to one of his real trials. >> well, that's a shame. msnbc correspondent lisa rubin and state attorney for palm beach county david arenberg, thanks very much for your analysis and insight this morning. still ahead, we'll dive into the world of vaping and look at the rise and fall of jewell labs, the company that revolutionize the vaping in the younger generation and we'll look how president biden and donald trump are preparing for presidential debate now just one week away. and the multiple adversely trump now says he's up against. 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( ♪ ♪ ) start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. it's hard to believe. donald trump was first elected to the united states senate when i was negative 8 years old. that's true. president biden was elected when i was negative 8 years old. i'm going to get myself in trouble. >> yeah. you are because they are both old and so just stop, guys. oh, well. republican congressman brian stile in his opening act for donald trump's rally in wisconsin on tuesday. how did it go for you? totally botching an attempt about a joke about president biden's age but by mistake totally making fun of donald trump's age. we're one week away from the cycle's first presidential debate, and donald trump appears to be lowering expectations and making excuses. during his rally in wisconsin on tuesday, he even pushed the conspiracy that biden could only perform well if he's pumped up on drugs. hmm. >> is anybody going to watch the debate? he's going to be so pumped up, he's going to be pumped up. you know all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house. what happened? who left it? somebody left it. i wonder, let's see. somebody left a laptop in an office of a gentleman who was supposed to fix the laptop from hell. he never picked it up and somebody didn't pick up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cocaine. i wonder who that could have been. i don't know. actually i think it was joe. >> trump also told his followers to be suspicious of the whole debate enterprise, although his campaign negotiated the terms of his participation and agreed. he added that he'll be up against multiple adversaries at once, not just biden but both of cnn's moderators who trump said are incapable of treating him fairly. really? and when it comes to trump's debate preparations, he's reportedly been meeting with policy experts and other allies rather than holding mock debates. republican senators marco rubio and j.d. vance have also been involved in these meetings. oh, great. meanwhile, president biden will begin debate preps at camp david. according to "politico," biden's longtime adviser and first white house chief of staff ron klain is involved in the prep sessions. last month the chair of biden's re-election campaign put out a memo explaining the president will aim to go on the offensive and push trump to talk about how his three appointees to the supreme court helped overturn "roe v. wade" and how he could further undermine abortion rights in a second term. ed luce, your new piece is entitled "the mover all u.s. presidential debates. "what are you expecting? set the scene for us. >> well, the important thing, mika, i think is that the terms and the rules of next week's debate mostly suit biden are the ones this biden requested, no live audience which trump needs and feeds off of so that's bad for trump. the mic of the one not speaking gets turned off, gets muted, and then there's two commercial breaks. i could see given both men's age as bathroom breaks, but interesting thing here is i think this is going to be one of the few presidential debates, this and the one scheduled for september, that could sway an election. there's only really been three, and that was the first between nixon and kennedy, first bunch in 1960 which had a huge impact for those who watched it on tv as opposed to listening to it on the radio in a very close election. there's -- and then there's two that carter fought, the one that he won in 1976 against ford where he got ford partly with your father's advice and coaching to say there was no soviet control of poland or hungary or czechoslovakia, and then tons of voters of eastern european origin in the midwest states, again, a very close election and then carter losing to reagan when all reagan needed to do was basically turn up, be genial and show that he wasn't insane. he wasn't going to start a nuclear war. he duly did that and defeated carter. i think this debate between biden and trump in what is an equally close election to those first two is hugely consequential. sky high importance, and there are really sort of two parameters. one is we want not to be talking. biden wants people not to be talking about his age, and he wants people to be talking about trump's character. that's really the goal here. >> so it's so interesting, sam stein. you already saw donald trump on stage suggesting that president biden will be on cocaine. to back up the point that i will make here, this individual, this candidate, this convicted felon plays dirty and plays ugly, done it many times in the mast. we could spend the next three and a half hours listing hislize. we wouldn't get true them. they lies like a rug, and gaslights people, and i actually think that this could be a very fraught territory for president biden who or any other candidate wants to have an equal playing field and really debate the issues. and on top of that, this former president has a number of so-called news kneltworks, that will amplify and back up his conspiracies, his gaslighting and his lies. how fraught a territory do you think this is for president biden to step into? >> i guess it just depends on how much cocaine he has, right? >> right, right. >> it's very fraught i think in a way that people don't quite appreciate. it's not just because biden himself is facing a lot of critical views on his age and performance, although that in a way could lower the bar for him, but historically speaking. >> right. >> incumbent presidents who are debating for the first time tend to perform poorly. ed is right about consequential debates historically, but i would add one into the mix that almost was historical in nature and that was barack obama's first debate with mitt romney where barack obama came out and fell flat on his face and gave an incredible amount of momentum in romney's campaigns that he used to catapult. if not for hurricane sandy if the closing of the election it could have ended up very differently, potentially. joe biden, this will be his first debate. he's not sat that for that many adversarial interviews which are good prep work. he's going to camp david for intensive camp david situations. this is always difficult for a president because he's not used to it. i'm not saying that trump is used to it. he doesn't sit for many adversarial interviews, but this is different for biden. that being said, the closest parallel that we have is when the two of them melt last cycle in 2020, and that first debate for trump was a disaster. he talked all over biden. he talked over the moderator. he seemed genuinely crazed in the moment. i believe he had covid which was not great at the time, and so, you know, it's possible that we have a replay of that in which biden comes out, simply clears a very low bar set for him by trump and viewers say, okay. maybe we were wrong about the issues of agent and stamina. >> to quote sam stein, he had covid which was not great. that is certainly true. the diagnosis did not come for a couple more days though. let's bring in that conversation special correspondent of "vanity fair" and host of "the fast politics" podcast, an msnbc political analyst. mommy, i want to go where sam started to take us. presidential incumbents struggle in that debate, because, a, they are not primaried and, b, they are rarely challenged while in the white house and oval offers so that's usually an advantage to the challenger. however, in this case donald trump also sat out the primary process. he didn't do any debates. he doesn't sit for adversarial interviews so he's not going to be sharp either, so this might be two frankly rusty competitors a week from tonight. >> yeah. i mean, look. one of the things that donald trump loves to do and has been doing this since he's been running against joe biden is say that joe biden sin firmed and he's this and he's that and spreads these untruths about joe biden's mental state, and then when he gets up there and gives a state of the union he can't -- trump has no answer for that, right, because he gives the state of the union addresses and -- or the last one he gave, people were like, oh, my god. all of the things that donald trump has been saying about him are untrue, so -- and that's why he's trying to like lay the groundwork with this idea that he's on cocaine. i mean, this sufficient is completely crazy, and i think that it just doesn't -- you know, i don't know where it comes from, and i think that biden does ultimately benefit from it. >> well, for the first time since october the late f-fox news survey finds biden ahead of trump, 50% to 48% among registered voters, although that two-point difference is within the poll's margin of error. the new survey marks a three-point swing towards biden from last month and a seven-point swing from march. the change is being driven in large mart by independents who now say they back biden by nine points after trump held a two-point lead with the group last money. as for the issues motivating voters, 68% say the future of democracy is extremely important in deciding who they vote for. that's two points ahead of the economy which ranks second. a separate new poll, this one from npr, pbs news and marist college also shows president joe biden flipping the script with independent voters n.in survey biden leads donald trump with independents 50% to 48% after he trailed by 12 points just last month. despite that big shift, the poll finds the two candidates tied in the overall race at 49% each which is essentially the same as last month. that's because although biden has made inroads with independents, trump has expanded his lead with white voters. ed luce, put the polls aside. i feel like they are snapshots and people clue in at certain moments. kind of a recent example i can think of is the meeting that donald trump had with ceos where maybe they are busy, they are ceos, they are traveling the world, they are going on their yachts, you know, and then they sit down with trump, someone they are probably going to vote for and they are like wow, he's -- that's not even the trump i remember. that's crazier than i ever -- like, some of them walked away a little unsure they will vote for him, and i just wonder if you look at this debate the same way as sort of a reset. i think it will get a large audience. i think people will tune in, could be wrong, but if they do, it could be interesting because it could be a real first look at trump's brain and whether it works, whether he knows the issues, whether he remembers history, whether he can be behave in a regulated way. maybe on both of them, but i would say this could be a first look at trump or a first new look at trump for a lot of people who may be planning to vote for him. >> yeah. i mean, if you get anything like the numbers, the viewership numbers you got for the last debate between biden and trump in 2020, 73 million, this is way higher than state of the union, by the way, then this is -- by an order of magnitude, this is a way higher exposure than this election yet has had. it's an enormous number. >> yeah. >> i'm very interested. i think i'm right in saying, certainly in my case, that's the first -- the first of those polls, the first time i've seen voters caring about the future of democracy being number one on their list of priorities, even above the economy. >> yeah. >> that suggests independents are really beginning to pay more attention. whether that's because of the new york case and the publicity that came with that or just because the calendar, the clock is ticking, i don't know, but i do feel the more intention that people pay to trump, the harder it's going to be for trump to sustain this lead or even polling. >> and let's bring into this conversation the chairman of the democratic governor's association minnesota governor tim walls. thanks for being with us this morning. >> good morning. >> these polls noted, and we should apply every caveat. still many months to the election and every pom shows a tight race and this one shows a little momentum perhaps for president biden. his challenger says he thinks your state is play, that he came close in the past, even as it went blue every time. what do you think? >> yeah. well, he said he won it before so that's what donald trump says. >> i get that. >> i remind facts that joe biden came closer to win in texas than donald trump did in minnesota. with that being said, it is going to be close. folks are starting to talk up. where donald trump is talking about winning we're preparing to win. the biden administration is investing heavily with field officers on the ground. the democratic farm and labor party in minnesota is well-organized. i'm just going to note we're the only state since 1972 that's voted for a democratic candidate every single year. it will happen again this year but not without the hard work. i'm pleased to see the biden folks taking us seriously. it's us, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania a big piece of it. we'll get our job done. when joe biden brings jobs and decency and those things are starting to take hold. >> let's talk about something you just went through the political bloc you've been tackling which advantages the president. what are some of the issues right now that matter the most to constituents in your state? you know, whether that is things like abortion rights, the defense of democracy and also stubbornly high inflation. >> yeah. well, and i also think we saw last week the bump stock ban, the supreme court, those decisions do matter, like public safety matters to folks. the idea that's absurd that even the nra thought banning those things but the inflationary pieces we're starting to see consumer confidence come up a little bit. i think the president needs to stay right in the space where we're coming out. we're seeing more construction jobs in minnesota than we've ever seen. we're seen reshoring of chip manufacturing black to bloomington, minnesota, the investments we've never seen in decades starting to come in high-tech manufacturing. those things are starting to increase people's psychology about the economy, and i think that's a big piece of it. they just need to keep pounding that. that's where i think governors have a big role. look, we have to deal with whether it's wildfires in new mexico or making sure the job numbers stay up. we're the ones benefiting from the biden/harris administration, meaning we have the tools finally. i keep hearing the ridiculous comparison, were you better off four years ago? no, we were stacking people in uhauls because of donald trump's incompetency. talking about what a federal partner looks like makes a difference. >> governor, you have recently had a viral moment where you were feeding kids free breakfast. will you talk about the federal expansion there when it comes to free food for hungry children. >> we know it takes a difference. time a two decade school teach teacher. we know that full bellies make better learners. you're seeing a contrast when you get a democratic governor versus. we don't have the ten commandments post in the the classrooms but we have free breakfast and lunch. those are policies that biden and harris are talking about going nationally. we used what we learned during the pandemic on the child tax credit. minnesota will reduce childhood poverty by a third. we already have low numbers. that makes a difference of people's lives, money back to the middle class and money making a difference in their pockets. what do you hear from the trump administration other than grievance and retribution? look, esteemed epidemiologist donald trump did nothing during covid. now he's going to solve the middle east crisis and climate change, you know, on the first day, immigration. not going to happen. >> yeah, and members of congress spending time and money to show up at his criminal trial. it's all just so productive, isn't it? minnesota's democratic governor tom walz, thanks you very much for coming on the show this morning. really appreciate it. >> thank you. still no winner in the highly contentious winner in the primary fifth congress a.m. district two days after voters went to the polls. john mcguire leads congressman bob good by less than 1%, less than 300 votes and despite being too close to call mcguire claimed victory. good lost the support of donald trump for initially backing ron desantis in the republican presidential primary campaign. good also became a target of former house speaker kevin mccarthy after he helped oust mccarthy from the speakership earlier this year. good stated on social media yesterday that he believes he can, quote, still prevail and asked for patience while awaiting the certification of the vote. we will keep you posted. and louisiana is now the first state in the nation to require all public school classrooms to display a copy of the ten commandments. the new law signed yesterday by governor jeff landry makes it mandatory to display the commandments on, quote, a poster or framed document print in a large easily readable font. the poster must be in every classroom from kindergarten through to state-funded universities by 2025. the displays also must include a context statement that says the commandments were a major part of american public education for nearly three decades. opponents of the law say it is a clear violation of separation of church and state. multiple groups including the aclu have already announced a joint lawsuit against the measure. quote, the first amendment promises that we all get to decide for ourselves what religious beliefs, if any, to hold and practice, without pressure from the government. politicians have no business imposing their preferred religious doctrine on students and families in public schools. louisiana's attorney general issued a statement on the bill writing, quote, moses, who you may recall brought the ten commandments down from mount sinai, appears eight times in carvings that ring the united states supreme court great hall ceiling. i look forward to defending the law. louisiana has a republican super majority in the state legislature. bolt texas and oklahoma republicans have pushed for a similar bill. coming up on "morning joe," extreme heat is expected to blanket large parts of the country again today. we are tracking the record-setting temperatures as well as the impact the heat is having on the u.s. economy. nbc's stephanie ruhle will change us for that conversation. also ahead, november's race 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warns the financial effects from it will be felt for the next few years. so 30 years ago the film "schindler's list" brought increased worldwide attention to the atrocities of the holocaust. it has also brought hundreds of thousands of tourists to the historic sites director steven spielberg filmed in poland. my brother, u.s. ambassador to poland, mark brzezinski and some of spielberg's oscar-winning team in crakow gave us a tour of schindler's enamel factory, the ghetto and the many locations around the city that spielberg used to bring authenticity to the film and which now play a part in the city's resurgence of jewish life. >> filming "schindler's list" there was only one choice on the actual locations where the actual events took place. this isn't a film that could have been shot at a movie studio. this had to be on practical locations. we shot at the factory where they made the enannelware and shot actually at that factory, and it actually brought the events to life for all of the crew and all of the hundreds of members of the cast. >> the list is an absolute good. the list is life. >> the schindler's factory museum, a living memorial about the importance of not being indifferent. tell us what we should be thinking as we are in this precious space. >> oscar schindler, who was a german businessman here taking over the jewish factory is one of the main individuals who we focus on here. together with over a thousand of the jews he saved. >> what was the incumbent pact locally of the release of the film and the opening of the schindler factory museum? >> it encouraged people to visit krakow which had a major impact on the tourism in the city but also on the education. oscar schindler was at first a businessman, and his story evolved and also his moral attitude. at first he took advantage of the german occupation, german nazi occupation of the city, and then as he was acquainted with the fate of the local jews, he was moved and decided to help them. >> have goldberg bring them over. >> here is where the decision was made to use accounting and paperwork to run around the nazi authorities and to save the jews. >> this essential production also allowed him to keep the workers here, and in 1944 when the eastern front was moving towards krakow, he was able to evacuate over a thousand of his workers. >> these are the names of the workers of the schindler's factory, the jews oscar schindler saved here and the cubic form and the pots and pans symbolize the production that allowed saving them. >> eva braun and alan starsky, you both won oscars for your role in producing "schindler's list." >> we were in the same place which was photographed during this same time. >> yeah. >> so we were collecting the real references, this is one of the places we knew we would have to shoot. >> how do you feel, alan and eva, being in this place right now given that this was one of your life's greatest works? >> it was one of the most important movies, the suitcases belonging to people who were thrown away who were deported from this district and it was full of munitions. >> this movie revived knowledge to build up for the new knowledge about the holocaust and the second world war. >> you lived this horrific experience. what can you share with our audience about your memories? >> i remembered this house. i remember knowing from others that there was were torture chambers in the basement of this building. >> you lost your parents, your sister here. i mean, these are unspeakable tragedies. >> we kids had to report to the square, and if we didn't report, i knew what will happen to me because i saw other kids being shot. >> bernard, tell me the lesson of "schindler's list." >> that we as human beings need to wake up of what we believe in and what we're doing and to be more conscious about, you know, who we are. >> there wasn't a single day that went by that wasn't really, really, really emotionally devastating. that despair and the grief that all of us experienced telling the story, so i had to find a way to insulate myself so i could have some scintilla of objectivity and be able to tell a true story in a truthful way. >> there's been a renewal of jewish life in krakow. >> certainly the production of "schindler's list" gave it a new energy because there were many survivors who suddenly felt strongly about the jewish identity. it created the atmosphere in which jewish life here became more important than before. >> they are not gone. >> they are here. >> they are mine! every day that goes by i'm losing money. every day the shop costs me money. >> not the hero at the beginning of the story. >> sure. >> you were just a normal tradesman who tried to make a best deal using some jewish workers. >> sure. >> and later slowly and slyy will he start to be someone who represents these people. >> i came up with this idea of bringing some of schindler's survival to jerusalem to walk past the grave of oscar schindler and put commemorative stones on his grave, and we -- we brought i think 350 holocaust survivors that were -- the jews that schindler saved. >> this is the jewish tradition to put the stones on the graves of those who is pass away just to mark the grave. >> it means that it's connecting history with today's life. >> yeah. >> this was also interesting that they were laying stones at the grave of oscar schindler who is not jewish at the are christian cemetery. >> one of the good news stories is the resurgence of the jewish community. tell me how you feel when you see it. >> so many years nobody said anything or did anything. >> yeah. >> about this place. >> yeah. >> so in some wayangry. >> yeah. >> but i'm also grateful that it is happening. >> that it's finally happening. >> finally happening. it's a waking up. i think that this land has been very bloodied for eons and eons of time, and i think there's an awakening happening which i'm happy to see. >> in many ways people here see that the polish story and the jewish story are intertwined. >> yes. you cannot separate one from the other. >> wow. poland was home to the largest jewish population in europe before world war ii. the schindler factory museum in crakow alone now draws over 400,000 annual visitors and n no small mart due to the enduring message of spielberg's oscar-winning film. molly, i'm just curious, as we are experiencing a rise in anti-semitism here in the u.s., i mean, that -- that was such a powerful example of how we need to be mindful of the big pig tour and even in terms of preserving democracy here in the states. >> yeah. i mean, as a jew, i -- you know, i remember watching that movie when i was a little bit younger and just being so -- feeling very connected to the experience my family who came over into the 1800s and i had polish ancestors and i remember my grandparents telling me about watching the holocaust and feeling so powerless to get over these relatives and cousins and, you know, millions and millions of jews murdered. i think, look, you know, the lessons here are so important, right, that we can't other any group of people, that it leads to terrible, terrible consequences, and, you know, as it -- as a jew, i'm just so moved by this work and also very hopeful that there is a jewish population once again in poland. it shows a real sign that poland is doing something right when you have groups of people coming back and trying to rebuild. i mean, one of the losses besides the millions and millions of people is just the cultural heritage, right, the -- the prayer shaulgs and, you know, the -- all of the sort of artifacts of our collective, you know, growing up are gone, and to come back and try to recreate that is -- is so meaningful to me. coming up, a story of addiction, opportunity and good intentions gone awry. a look into the jewell labs on vaping. that's coming up next on "morning joe." vaping that's coming up next on "morning joe." here's to getting better with age. here's to beating 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smoking remains the leading cause of death and disease in the united states, something like 400,000 americans die every year from smoking-related causes, so there is another camp that says this is probably the best solution we have to try to combat that problem. of course, the other side says it's not worth it if it means millions of american children end up addicted to nicotine. >> let's talk a little bit more about the unintended consequences. >> yeah. of course, juul when they came out, they new to make their product attractive to all of their customers. you know, you ask juul and they say, of course, we didn't want to target kids, but they put out ads that made juul look cool. they made the people who walked around with the juuls in their hands look like they, you know, fancy people with invitations to cool parties, and i think that, of course, appealed to kids just as it did to adults. like i am someone who when i talk about this on the podcast, i was a smoker. my dad died of lung cancer and i needed to quit and i couldn't get it done. juul came along and i starting juuling and i just juuled all the time, and i didn't smoke. as long as i was juuling i wasn't smoking, and the unintended consequences for me was that i got way more addicted to nicotine than i had ever been, because, mika, as you said, can you juul wherever you want and no one can tell for the most part. >> right. >> and that makes it very dangerous. >> in this audio clip from the podcast, leon, we hear a bit of your interview with the co-found juul. it's the first interview since leaving the company. take a listen. >> do you think unintended consequences is the correct frame through which to see the story of juul? >> hmm. no, not exactly. i mean, i get where you're coming from with that, and i think there's some fairness to that. i see juul, the story of juul in large part as a microcosm of a lot of america. it is capitalism. it is addiction. it is regulation. it is advocacy. it is shouts and lies and manipulation. >> so a major part of the problem with vapes that you explain in the podcast is how many brands there are now and how quickly they pop up. let's listen to a clip where you explain that a bit more. >> a few years ago, there was really only one vaping product that i and everyone else that i was using, the juul. in fact, that's what i thought we'd be making this podcast about, juul, but once we dug into, it we discovered there are literally thousands of vape brands on the market in flavors like luscious lemon and watermelon ice and cheesecake. you know the cammian exboroughs that's responsible for all of the world's biodiversity? that's where we're kind of at with nicotine vapes right now, and i, unfortunately, have sampled a lot of them. >> so leon, you have your own experiences with these, but talk to us about what this means for the population writ large, particularly younger people. >> so, look. younger people see watermelon ice-flavored devices that they can buy and they want them. it's just a device that looks beautiful, looks colorful, that are called things like elf bar and breeze. these are shiny objects that, of course, teens want, and the worst thing is that these new -- the new generation of vapes that come sort of in the wake of juul, they have way more nicotine in them. they are completely illegal. flavors are illegal. it's not legal to sell nicotine products if you don't have authorization, and that means that they are not really regulated. no one really knows how they are being made. they are being shipped in from overseas, and the -- the number of brands that exist out there is truly dizzying, and when one of them gets, you know, pressure from the fda, for example, they will re-brand under a different name. elf bar was the most disposable brand and now it's called eb designs and lost mary, and everyone knows it's the same thing. it's the same beautiful little device, but it's -- it's in stores. you can go to any store in new york and any smoke shop in new york and you can find it behind the counter. dozens of different flavors and dozens of different brands. >> there was early information where it was sort of advertised as being sort of less dangerous than cigarettes. is there any actual accurate health information about vape pens and how dangerous they are versus cigarettes? >> that's a great question. i do think that there is good information to show that vaping is a lot safer than smoking. we talked to one physician on the show that described it as there's the devil you know and the devil you don't. we know cigarettes are deadly. they will kill you eventually, right, so anything that can help you get off of cigarettes is generally going to be preferred. that said there, isn't really great longitudinal evidence about how safe vaping products, are so we were hoping to find studies of 10, 20, 30 years of vape consumption and what it does to your bodies, and those studies don't exist. bottom line, if you're a smoker this is a much better alternative than continuing to smoke cigarettes and if you're not a smoker we don't know yet. >> the new audible, the key thing is nicotine in the cigarette is not what gives you cancer. it's everything else. who knows what it means to consume that much nicotine over 20, 30 years because as i said before, when you vape you're taking in a lot more nicotine than you are as a smoker. >> the new podcast is called "backfired, the vaping wars." thank you both very much for coming on the show and for the podcast. and still ahead on "morning joe." >> i hired somebody to follow the money. she's suing me. >> i need to show them that i have the power. >> are you stupid or something? 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the general population used to care about reality tv more than they did politics, which plenty took as a sign of apathy, but which i took as an indicator of good civic health. in a healthy democracy, we can afford to take politics for granted making it a secondary concern. if national normalcy bit us in the butt, trying to remind us of her presence would we even remember what she looked like? we have been going so insane for so long with so many chaos merchants having a vested interest in us staying that way that i have my doubts, and i would agree with this. jonathan lemire, author of "the big lie," i mean, we have those very same merchants selling the big lie today. >> we most certainly do. there have been some who suggested tongue in cheek that the world slipped off its access in june of 2015 when trump came down the escalator. it feels like it's been one thing after the other for both a nation the and the world, and some of it is coincidence, and some of it is on purpose. some are looking to accelerate the news cycle and looking for a flatout lie for their own personal gain, and the question is now -- now that we're down this path, can we ever get off it? >> right. i think it's a really good question, and also, look. there is a market for boring in american politics. i think about tony ivers, the governor of wisconsin who said, i ran for re-election on being boring, right? america, and we see this. american voters don't like the chaos. they reject it when it's given to them on the ballot. so yes, that's for sure true, but we are in this really scary moment of american life where we don't know, you know, there's so much unverified content on social media that we don't know sort of the -- we're not sharing a reality which is quite scary. still ahead on "morning joe," a growing partnership between vladimir putin and north korea's kim jong-un is raising concerns about ukraine's resistance against russian aggression. we'll go over the implications of the newly signed pact. plus accusations of a breach in the partnership between the u.s. and israel is placing new strain on that relationship. we'll have the very latest next on "morning joe." very latest n on "morning joe. this week on chewy, shop all your pet's favorites and get a $30 egift card. enjoy more savings on more food, more toys, and more treats. more of everything they love, delivered right to your door. only with chewy. slowing my cancer from growing and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. our right to reproductive health care is being stolen from us. i can't believe this is the world we live in, where we're losing the freedom to control our own bodies. we need your support now more than ever. go online, call, or scan this code, with your $19 monthly gift. and we'll send you this "care. no matter what" t-shirt. it is your right to have safe health care. that's it. go online, call, or scan right now. this heat isn't just bad for the planet. it's also bad for the brain because according to a new study, the hotter it gets, the harder it is to find your words. wow. [ laughter ] cucumber. hot weather can result in lower scores on math tests as well as higher rates of aggression ranging from mean-spirited behavior to violent crime. well, that explains florida. >> the heat wave is also blasting washington, d.c. when people complained about it being over 90, president biden was, like, see? 81 isn't so bad, right? just saying. i'm not kidding. it is hot out there. i spent all day sweating like a fox news anchor trying to explain juneteenth. >> good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, june 20th. millions of people have the midwest to the northeast will face extreme heat for a fourth straight day. the national weather service is predicting record highs again in several areas, and the heat is expected to last into the weekend. also, tropical storm alberto, the first named storm of the hurricane season, is expected to make landfall soon on mexico's gulf coast. the large storm has already brought heavy rainfall and some flooding along the coasts of texas and mexico. meanwhile, two large wildfires continue to burn out of control in new mexico. police have confirmed two deaths tied to the fires raging in ruidoso. 7,000 acres have burned. a new poll finds president biden beats 50% to 48%. it's the first time he has had a lead since october. the numbers come as we are one week away from the first presidential debate and both sides are digging into preps, but donald trump appears to be making sure he lowers expectations all around, and he's starting to make excuses claiming he had to face off against the moderators as well so that will be a challenge. we're going to get into all of that just ahead. with us for all of these stories and more, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire, deputy manaing editor for politics at politico, sam stein, and editor at "the financial times," ed luse. good to have you. putin and kim jong-un on full display yesterday raising concerns in the u.s. janice mackey frayer has the latest. >> reporter: north korea's kim jong-un pulling out the stops for russian president vladimir putin. the outcasts side by side cheering with crowds of children with balloons. then in the front seat with putin behind the wheel, a friendly debate over who would be first into kim's car which was a gift from putin last year. the two unveiled a strategic defense treaty, promising mutual assistance in case either country faces aggression. the details of it not spelled out, but both calling it a breakthrough. the deepening alliance raising alarms for the u.s. and the west who have worked to isolate russia over its invasion of ukraine. putin has turned to north korea which according to u.s. officials, has already sent millions of rounds of ammunition, artillery shells, and missiles to help russia's war effort. >> north korea is providing significant munitions to russia and other weapons for use in ukraine. >> reporter: a looming worry, what north korea might gain from russia in return, including access to the sort of military technologies that could enhance kim's nuclear, missile, and satellite programs. the visit and all its fanfare doing little to ease concerns. >> joining us now, former freedom allied commander of nato, james stavridis. he's the chief national analyst for nbc news and former national security counsel asian affairs director, dr. victor chau. his op-ed is entitled "biden needs to disrupt the russia-north korea alliance -- before it's too late." dr. cha, let's start right there. how? >> well, it's not easy. the difficulties lie in the fact that this is a renewal of the cold war alliance between the two sides. what north korea provides to russia goes deep to russian territory in terms of munitions, very hard to intercept, but there is still a package of financial sanctions as well as actions that could be taken vis-a-vis china to try to disrupt this network. >> so admiral, let's talk about the ramifications of this alliance, and there's some that now suggest how desperate putin is, that he has to turn to north korea, the hermit kingdom for more supplies for his war on ukraine, but at the same time, to victor's point, there is worry about these two autocrats teaming up. >> sure. yeah, indeed, and putin finally found a leader that he's actually taller than. so i think this is a good moment for him. in all seriousness, what we ought to worry about deeply here exactly as dr. cha said is the technology push that could enable the hermit kingdom to use those 50 or 60 or maybe 70 nuclear weapons. so it's the technology, jonathan, but it's also the intelligence. putin can provide targeting. he can provide access to a satellite system that russia owns and operates. so there's a package of high-tech incentives, both physical technology for the nuclear program as well as intelligence, command and control. we ought to be very concerned about this final thought. they're not revealing yet the details of the agreement they've signed. it sounds a lot like a mutual defense pact to me. each nation would be bligated to defend the other. that's quite significant. that what we have, for example, with japan, with south korea, with australia, with our pacific alliance. we don't want to see putin start to build something with north korea along those lines. >> all right. so i want to bring ed luse into this. ed, if you don't mind, if i could ask you to get into the mind of one of the great geostrategic thinkers of our time, and i think you know who i'm talking about, what is the strategic vision of putin and kim jong-un? what are they putting on display here, and what should the u.s. and its allies be doing right now to counter what looks like a collective threat? >> well, i mean, if you are referring to, which i think you are, to your father, he coined the phrase, alliance of the aggrieved way back in the 1990s where he was quite prophetic in how he saw the world, the nations, particularly the autocracies reacting to this new global era after the cold war and he talked about an alliance of the aggrieved and he mentioned russia, and he mentioned north korea. of course, that includes china. it includes iran, and it includes some smaller countries like cuba and venezuela, but the strategy i think that he recommended, and i think it would be utterly relevant, and i think admiral stavridis would probably agree with this now, is to play on china's fears of a wayward north korea, a freelancing north korea because north korea threatens japan. japan could go nuclear at any time. that is the last thing that china wants, and we've seen in the last few days a makeup meeting between the leaders of south korea and china. south korea and china, and of course, south korea is the real target of north korea. play on china's fear of anarchy in the region because this doesn't suit their interests. they want stability. >> so admiral stavridis, chime in. do you agree? >> i do entirely. i'll add another interesting small point here which is, where is vladimir putin today? he's left north korea. he's in vietnam, and vietnam by the way has a population four times that of south korea -- of north korea, about 100 million dynamic economy, very strong demographics. vietnam in many ways is a bigger opportunity for the west than north korea. so i think if dr. brzezinski were advising us today, he would be saying, not only shore up u.s., the alliances you have with japan, australia, new zealand, singapore, thailand, the philippines. those are mutual defense treaties. you ought to focus u.s. on vietnam for exactly the reasons ed luce is saying. you need to put pressure back. so i'm quite concerned you're showing footage now of putin in vietnam meeting with president lam and others. we ought to be watching that flank as well. i think your dad would advise us to do so. it's all about alliances. >> yeah. i wanted to pick up there for dr. cha. it's actually a point that ed made which is our leverage, u.s. leverage is not obviously quite strong with north korea or russia, but we do have some with the chinese. obviously it's a contentious relationship, but it is a communicative relationship, and strikes me and i'm wondering if you could speak to this, that the real danger here is not necessarily a russia-north korea pact, but china being more forthcoming and providing more weaponry and intelligence to the russians as they turn west to ukraine. so what do you think the u.s. officials are saying to beijing right now in light of the putin/kim jong-un meeting that just occurred? >> i think that's right, that the chinese have not been proviing weapons for ukraine, but they have been providing a lot of industrial support. china cannot be happy with this meeting between russia and north korea, but they're not able to really make a decision about what to do. on the one hand, they don't want to criticize north korea too much because they don't want to push kim further into the arms of putin. on the other hand, they're not willing to fully join on with russia and north korea because they don't want to be part of a grouping in which north korean weapons are being used by russia to kill europeans today. that's not where china wants to be. so this is, i think, an opening for the united states the biden administration to try to make some progress with china, whether it's with a regard to new sanctions on north korea or whether it's even with regard to just an open statement about their concern about this relationship. the other thing i would say is the nato summit is in washington, d.c. next month. this is a real opportunity for the biden administration to work with allies, south korea and japan, to really build even more on the trilateral security relationship, maybe even a collective defense declaration among the three allies. that would be a hugely important step forward. >> yes, it would. former national security counsel asian affairs director, dr. victor cha, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. there is also new tension between the u.s. and israel this morning after the biden administration rejected claims that the white house has been withholding weapons. nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell reports. >> reporter: a new and very public breach in a pivotal partnership over the flow of u.s. weapons to israel. after israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu leveled a stinging accusation, posting a video notably spoken in english, for an american audience. >> it's inconceivable that in the past few months, the administration has been withholding weapons and ammunitions to israel. israel, america's closest ally. >> reporter: israel says it must defeat hamas and cure the release of hostages. >> during world war ii, churchill told the united states, give us the tools. we'll do the job, and i say, give us the tools and we'll finish the job a lot faster. >> reporter: but his charge has been met with surprise at the white house. >> we genuinely do not know what he's talking about. >> reporter: the fallout was swift. a meeting expected with israeli officials in washington is off for now. that session, to discuss threats from iran, is described as postponed. u.s. officials say they will not reward israel with such a meeting in response to the netanyahu video. in may, the biden administration publicly acknowledged it paused delivery to israel of a shipment with 2,000-pound bombs. responding to netanyahu's message, secretary blinken disputed the prime minister's complaint and said that one arms shipment is being evaluated. >> because of our concerns about their use in a densely populated area like rafah, that remains under review, but everything else is moving as it normally would move. >> admiral stavridis, i'll start with you. we genuinely don't know what they're talking about is a pretty strong statement. is benjamin netanyahu is good partner in this? what happened here? >> clearly he's not, and i would really draw a line under him cutting that commentary in english. really? it's blatantly trying to insert himself into the u.s. election cycle from all that i can see. >> mm-hmm. >> it's wildly inappropriate to go over the head of the administration and try to speak directly to americans. not his role, not his place. he is a frustrating partner. my good friend, jake sullivan, the national security adviser, his head must be exploding this morning. >> yes. >> i think about what he and tony blinken and lloyd austin have tried to do for israel, indeed what we have done for israel for decades, and to be treated in that manner by a prime minister, really shocks the conscience of diplomacy between the two nations. coming up, a heat wave, wildfires burning across new mexico, and a tropical storm headed for texas. we'll talk about why human-caused climate change could be to blame for the extreme weather we're seeing. 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>> well, what's going on is we're living in the age of climate chaos, you know? we have known for a hundred years that burning fossil fuels puts more co2 into the atmosphere. that's creating a hotter climate, and we're seeing that now, and it's not only that our climate is getting hotter. it's making these kind of extreme events that you were talking about from the flooding to the heat waves to the bigger storms more and more likely. so this is the world that we have created for ourselves, and that we're living in. >> hey, jeff. it's sam stein here. yes. this is climate chaos. we've experienced a growth of climate chaos over the past couple of years, and i'm wondering if you could put it in the proper scope for the readers. talk about just the sheer cost of this in most human lives, but also in just dollars. we are going to be dealing with massive government investments to try to mitigate these issues, and literally move people. can you speak -- i mean, it's hard to actually quantify and put in proper perspective, but can you try to talk about just how much this will dominate our public and private lives? >> well, it's going to dominate our lives in every way. we are just beginning to see and beginning to imagine how this is, you know -- how do you put a dollar cost on this is just very -- it's impossible because of the scope and scale of what we're talking about here, you know? there's two parts of this. there's the sort of clean energy part of it which is the, you know, reducing co2 emissions, the movement to solar and wind. i live in texas, you know, that is happening very fast there. texas is not exactly full of tree-huggers and yet our grid is often 60% or 70% powered by renewable energy. that's remarkable, and the price of renewable energy has gotten cheaper and cheaper. the problematic side is on the adaptation side, on the damage side. when you look at what it's going to take to sort of reimagine our cities, to reimagine our world, to reimagine where our food comes from in the light of these kinds of extreme events, it's really a massive change that we're going through, and we can go through it intelligently by being educated about this and thinking about this and talking about this, or we can do this sort of "mad max" scenario of denial and chaos which is, you know, what a lot of america sort of in the past sadly, what a lot of americans are -- seem to be choosing right now. >> there's the human toll too. officials in saudi arabia just announcing yesterday that hundreds of people there died due to extreme heat due to religious pilgrimages. you tweeted something that really struck us. you said, our world was built for a climate that no longer exists. tell us what you mean. >> i think that, you know, there's a misunderstanding about climate change and what's happening. i think there's a lot of people who think that climate change is like a broken leg, that, you know, we just need to sort of drive electric cars and recycle our bottles and do that for a little while and everything will be okay and we'll go back to the world that we lived in, in the earlier part of the 20th century, and things will go back to normal. things will not go back to normal. we are moving into a completely different climate era, and the implications for that are profound. the way our cities are arranged and built do not work in an era of extreme warming. where we get our water supply does not work in a world of extreme warming. cities like miami, the texas coast we're seeing right now, you know, lots of buildings, houses, real estate along the water as sea levels rise and storm surges get bigger, all of that is in jeopardy. where do we get our food as the crop yields get hit by more and more precipitation, more and more heat? climate change is going to change everything about how we live, and where we get our food, and where we get our energy, and that's why it's so important to be educated about this, be smart about this, and make better choices because i really do think that we could, you know, build a better world, use this crisis that has an opportunity. coming up, the supreme court will release a new round of opinions this morning including a potential decision on donald trump's presidential immunity claim. i'll talk about that, what to expect ahead on "morning joe." this week on chewy, shop all your pet's favorites and get a $30 egift card. enjoy more savings on more food, more toys, and more treats. more of everything they love, delivered right to your door. only with chewy. anything less than a decision by the supreme court that says a president should be held to the laws just like any other american citizen should be -- anything other than that is absurd. the notion for instance that apparently some justices are fooling around with is that, well, if the president violated the criminal law, but was doing so in his official capacity, there may be some basis to say that's okay. we need to step back and think about that. you know, wait a minute. a president can violate the american criminal law if he or she is doing something in their official capacity. that is an absurd and dangerous conclusion, and i'm worried given the length of time that it has taken for the supreme court to decide this case that something along those lines might come out of the supreme court. >> what's the debate? i have to ask, former attorney general eric older on msnbc yesterday as we continue to await the supreme court's decision on donald trump's presidential immunity claim. the court heard oral arguments on april 25th and a decision is expected before the end of the month. another set of decisions is expected to be released this morning at 10:00 a.m. joining us now, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin, and state attorney for palm beach county, dave aaronburg joins us. am i being too simplistic? what would the debate be happening inside the supreme court about presidential immunity, and these delays are conscious. are they not? >> they're certainly conscious, on behalf of at least some of the justices, particularly given their decision to schedule briefing in the way that they did. before the break, john and i were talking about the schedule, and i was saying the delay itself is the win. even if we see a decision let's say tomorrow or friday that is a full victory for jack smith and his team, the damage will have largely been done. it's not clear whether the case can be tried and the time remaining before the election or whether judge tanya chutkan has the will to impose a trial on that schedule. you'll hear people complain bitterly for example that the department of justice policy forbids taking certain steps a certain number of days before the election, whether 60 to 90 days. read very clearly, that policy is about over investigative steps like subpoenas or search warrants. it's not about a trial, but nonetheless, even if the supreme court were to hand jack smith a full victory, it's not clear that trial can be accomplished or if there is the will to make it happen. >> dave aaronberg, same question. what's the holdup? >> a political person would say the supreme court is putting its thumb on the scale of justice here, refusing to hold donald trump accountable for his actions. remember, they could have intervened in december. jack smith saw this possibility and went to the supreme court and said, hey. why don't you come now before the d.c. circuit court of appeals rules and let's get this out of the way? the supreme court said, no, no, no. that's too early. well, then after the d.c. circuit court of appeals issued a very thorough and powerful ruling, the supreme court intervened anyways, and that's why so many of us are just so upset about what happened because the supreme court is supposed to be apolitical. this does not like apolitical, and it looks like trump will not get absolute immunity, but he wins by like lisa said, by delaying this matter and delaying it until after the election where he can become president and call it off. it is likely the case will be september back to tanya chutkan to determine whether donald trump's conduct falls within his duties of office and whether there's immunity. that will mean there is no trial before the election, but judge chutkan who is motivated to get this thing going, and said she will cancel her vacation if necessary, can hold this public hearing where a lot of the evidence will come out into the public of his involvement in and before january 6th. jack smith could get a bit of a victory even if he loses. >> lisa, it's been discussed this trial won't happen before the election, but david started to mention one of the outcomes here that can be kicked back down. what are some of the other possible rulings the supreme court could provide? >> you could see as i postulated earlier, complete victory for jack smith saying that historically the supreme court has never found immunity for a president and it's not going to start now. there's another possibility that it says immunity could theoretically be possible in certain circumstances, but on the allegations of this indictment, that's not the case, and the third possibility, john, is somewhere in between what dave just said and a complete loss for the special counsel's office which says, no. a president can be immune and on the allegations of this indictment, they think that this would qualify for immunity, but for example, it would not stop prosecutors from introducing certain evidence for example with respect to presidential conduct even if certain of the conduct itself is made for prosecution. coming up on "morning joe," we'll be joined by democratic senator jacky rosen who could help determine which party controls the upper chamber. we'll talk about the role reproductive rights is playing in her race. 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[ applause ] he's going to be so pumped up. it's going to be pumped up. you know all that stuff that was missing about a month ago from the white house. what happened? who left it? somebody left it. i wonder -- let's see. somebody left a laptop in an office of a gentleman who was supposed to fix the laptop from hell. he never picked it up, and somebody didn't pick up hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cocaine. i wonder who that could have been. i don't know. actually, i think it was joe. >> trump also told his followers to be suspicious of the whole debate enterprise although his campaign negotiated the terms of his participation and agreed. he added that he'll be up against multiple adversaries at once, not just biden, but both of cnn's moderators who trump said are incapable of treating him fairly. really? and when it comes to trump's debate preparations, he's reportedly been meeting with policy experts and other alies rather than holding mock debates. marco rubio and jd vance have been at these meetings. great. according to politico, biden's longtime adviser and chief of staff ron klain has been helping him. they put out a memo the president will aim to go on the offensive and push trump to talk about how his three appointees to the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and how he could further undermine abortion rights in a second term. ed luce, your new piece is entitled "the mother of all u.s. presidential debates." what are you expecting? set the scene for us. >> well, the important thing, mika, i think is that the terms and the rules of next week's debate mostly suit biden and they're the ones biden requested. no live audience which trump, of course, needs and feeds off. that's bad for trump. mic off of the one not speaking, ditto, and then there's two commercial breaks. i guess you could see them as given both men's ages as bathroom breaks, but the interesting thing here is i think this is going to be one of the few presidential debates, this and the one scheduled for september that could sway an election. there's only really been three, and that was the first between nixon and kennedy, the first bunch in 1960 which had a huge impact for those who watched it on tv as opposed to listening to it on the radio in a very close election. then there's two -- the one he won in '76 against ford where he got ford partly with your father's advice and coaching to say there was no soviet control of poland or hungary or czechoslovakia, and alienated tons of voters of eastern european origin in the midwest states, and again, a very close election, and then finally, carter losing to reagan when all reagan needed to do was turn up, be genial, and show he wasn't insane. he did that, and he defeated carter. i think this debate between biden and trump in what is an equally close election to those first two, is hugely consequential. it's of sky-high importance, and there are really sort of two parameters. one is we want not to be talking. biden wants people not to be talking about his age and he wants people to be talking about trump's character. that's really the goal here. >> so it's so interesting, sam stein, seeing trump on stage suggesting that president biden will be on cocaine. to back up the point i'll make here, this individual, this candidate, this convicted felon, plays dirty. he plays ugly. he's done it many times in the past. we could spend the next 3 1/2 hours listing his lies. he wouldn't get through them. he lies like a rug, and gaslights people, and i actually think this could be a very fraught territory for president biden who -- or any other candidate who wants to have any goal-playing field and really debate the issues, and on top of that, this former president has a number of so-called news networks that will amplify and back up his conspiracies and his lies. how fraught a territory do you think this is for president biden to step into? >> i guess it just depends on how much cocaine he has, right? no. >> right. >> it's very fraught, i think in a way that people don't quite appreciate. it's not just because biden himself is facing a lot of critical views on his age and performance although that in a way could lower the bar for him, but historically speaking incumbent presidents who are debating for the first time tend to perform poorly. ed is right about consequential debates historically, but i would add one into the mix that almost was historical in nature and that was barack obama's first debate with mitt romney where barack obama came out and really fell flat on his face, gave an incredible amount of momentum to mitt romney's campaign that he almost used to catapult in the polls if not for hurricane sandy, it could have ended up differently potentially. coming up, two devastating wildfires are burning across new mexico this morning, destroying hundreds of structures and forcing thousands of people from their homes. we'll talk to one state lawmaker about the impact of the fires. we're back in just a moment. of. we're back in just a moment. 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lay the case out for us. >> this is a provocative idea to be sure, but this piece really argues that if employers really care about employee well-being, they would offer discounts on dating services, matchmaking services. she even talked to me about maybe even coaching to help people's interpersonal skills. she lives in silicon valley and is an employer herself. she's a small business owner and says her company is not big enough to offer services like this, but she 100% would because she's approaching this issue from as you said, the loneliness epidemic perspective. she says she sees so many people and hears from so many people who are successful in their careers, but have not met the partner that they want. they have not built the lives that they want. so she says -- i did ask her what's been the feedback to this piece and she said that some people say that my marital status is none of my employers' business. >> right. >> she says this is a natural extension of where we are with benefits. we're seeing egg-freezing and ivf services like you mentioned so in her view, it's all about a wholistic discussion and a wholistic approach in helping employees achieve better work/life balance and achieve the lives they want. >> i mean, you look it. huma, this ties into the discussion that we had last week on "morning mika" about the loneliness pandemic that many young americans are test test test. i'm curious what you think of this type of benefit, because i think that -- let's keep it real -- as jen psaki said, she met her husband at work. a lot of people meet at work. there's all these reasons why not to meet at work. i think we need to revisit that. it's okay to meet someone you care about at work. it's how you conduct it that matters the most, and workplace gatherings should come back. what do you think, first of all, of the benefit? >> no one size fits all. this is a clear case of that. but we do have to be creative. in the past, pre-covid, so much of the way our workforce operates today is as a result of the pandemic that we're frankly in a way still in. 96% of employees say they want flexible hours. one of the things he recommends is the ways governments and communities can help and the way businesses can help. we know that financially small and medium-size businesses can suffer mental health challenges by employees. you showed that clip from "no hard feelings" where she's walking into rooms and people are on their devices and not interacting. >> that's right. >> we have more women in the workforce today than we have men. what are things we can do to be creative to support those kind of interactions between men and women. randomly in the last week i've been out with two women separately in their late 30s who complain about how hard it is to meet somebody. >> i think dating apps is one thing, but that's meeting people outside randomly, i think, not that i've been on any of those apps. but i also think for many different reasons beyond dating, gathering at work or companies having baseball games against other companies in the same industry or whatever, gatherings at work need to happen again for friendships, for mentoring relationships, for social interaction. i just can't imagine what the drawbacks would be to wanting that for your workers. >> 100%. we reported a few months ago about the number one thing young women want in the workplace today is mentoring and mentorship. we were talking about this nih study where there are employees who are concerned about their privacy, rightfully so, understandably so, are concerned about discrimination and stigma, does it look like there's water cooler gossip going on over there about people's personal relationships. it's all about approaching it with respect and empathy. so much of the conversation about how to have healthier workplace environments is having that empathy countries are play matchmaker because they have plunging birthrates. they also want to promote the future of their citizens. >> in tokyo, the government is expected to release its own dating app later this year. the government has already been testing an ai matching service. you have to verify your identity. you have to verify that you are single. there's a certification you can get. there's a line that says, please use this as the first step to start marriage hunting. that language feels really striking to me. this is about marriage hunting and procreation. i would note that japan today has reported that the public perception and reception to this has been lukewarm at best with folks saying that a dating app and dating services don't address the underlying systemic issues that are impeding people from meeting each other and building families. those issues include long working hours, attitudes towards women and social support for building families. >> i love it. in know your value i used to tell young career-oriented women don't forget to get married. i now say that to young men as well. it's really important. if it's something you want in life, you have to look for it. maggie mcgrath and huma abedin, thank you very much. if you haven't seen the latest episode of "morning mika," we talk about the nightmare around modern dating and how to combat the loneliness epidemic. still ahead, reproductive rights are playing a major role in the battle for control of the senate this november. jacky rosen will join us to discuss her reelection bid. plus, as millions across the country face extreme heat for the fourth straight day, economic costs could be in the billions. also ahead, two major wildfires continue to burn out of control in new mexico. we'll get the latest details from one state lawmaker whose district includes thousands of acres of fire. we're back in a moment with a packed fourth hour of "morning joe." a moment with a packed fourth hour of "morning joe. revent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. arexvy is number one in rsv vaccine shots. rsv? 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>> thigh high. >> at least mid thigh. >> reporter: as some tried to evacuate, others opted to ride out the storm. cars and trucks trying to make their way through the blinding rains. the rising waters even prevented ambulances from reaching stranded homes. trying to get your ambulance into a lot of these neighborhoods, how difficult is it? >> it's impossible. there are some houses back there that are almost completely underwater. >> reporter: just the beginning of what's expected to be a powerful and punishing hurricane season. >> this morning, dangerous weather from extreme heat to fires across the country with other 80 million under heat alerts. >> please stay in the house. stay cool as you can. >> reporter: half a dozen cities are forecasted to meet or exceed record highs in the northeast. in bangor, maine, it's never felt hotter. >> it's like being slapped in the face. >> reporter: churches turned into cooling centers. in connecticut, thousands crowded the beach. >> it's crazy. the only open spots are in the ocean. >> water. >> lots of water. >> reporter: a major league team taking every precaution. >> we've increased medical staff for games this week, especially games that are during the day. >> reporter: wild weather bringing dangerous conditions out west. strong winds and thunderstorms triggering a massive dust storm, dropping visibility to less than a quarter of a mile, causing multivehicle crashes. in the same state, two fast-moving wildfires killed at least two people, scorching 23,000 acres, destroying 1400 structures, prompting a state of emergency and evacuation of thousands of residents about 150 miles southeast of albuquerque. officials say the severe weather could affect firefighting efforts. >> we've two devastating enormous fires. when i say enormous, it means they're getting more and more complicated to address. >> let's bring in now stephanie ruhle. steph, as americans cope with higher temperatures across the country, the economy is feeling the impact as well. tell us about it. >> it certainly is, mika. it's all about worker productivity. the u.s. could be losing up to $100 billion a year as we're facing these temperatures going up and up. every time you see the temperature go up by a degree -- and i'm talking once we're in the high 80s and the 90s -- we could be losing half a percentage point of productivity. think about all the outdoor jobs. people can't simply go out and do those jobs in this extreme heat. then there's agriculture. the federal government has paid out over a billion dollars to places like california in crop insurance because of the heat. one of the most important parts about our consumer-based economy, we're simply not going out and spending. you're seeing theme parks -- this is the height of theme park season -- in texas consider limiting their hours or shutting down. in some places, they're saying i'm getting out of here. i'm heading north or anywhere where it's just not this brutal. >> how are they trying to counteract this? >> remember, climate change has become extremely political, though it shouldn't, right? you are seeing certain states like california, where you see over the summer rolling blackouts to start to address the power grid. texas in the winter also gets the other extreme, what we see when they have extreme cold and the power grid shutting down there. we obviously know it's a priority for the president, but from state to state things get hyper political. remember, whether we're in 90-degree heat or 100-degree heat, it's a problem for our health and our economy. >> two extremely dangerous wildfires have claimed the lives of two people in new mexico while causing 8,000 people to flee their homes. more than 1400 structures and 22,000 acres have burned. melanie stansbury is a congresswoman. >> thank you so much for having us on. i am in southern new mexico right now in roswell, just down the mountain from the fires. these fires have been devastating. over 8,000 community members have been evacuated. the governor and myself spent the day visiting shelters and hearing the stories from people who had to leave their homes and don't know what they're going back to. at this point, we can confirm there are two deaths. there are a number of missing persons and search crews to find those individuals that are going out today. both of these fires that are blazing right now are absolutely devastating. this will be one of the worst wildfires new mexico has ever seen. >> can you tell us a little more about what caused this fire and also some of the challenges firefighters are facing as these blazes continue to rage? >> we don't know what the specific start to these two fires was. this is the height of the fire season for new mexico, hot, dry season. of course, with the current weather patterns and the fact that we are seeing increased heat and a shift in the fire season, certainly climate change is a contributor, but what helped to start this fire we won't know until the investigators have wrapped up that investigation. what we do know is the fire was intensified by the winds that we saw down here. but lucky, we did see a shift in the weather patterns yesterday and forecasters are hoping over the next few days increased moisture will make the fire easier to contain, but we're expecting this fire to burn for at least the last week. >> thank you so much. we wish you the best of luck. thank you for coming on the show this morning. a special programming note to tell you about. this monday is the second anniversary of the supreme court's decision to reverse roe v. wade. to mark that day, i will be sitting down with vice president kamala harris for an exclusive interview. that's this monday only on "morning joe." joining us now, we have democratic senator jacky rosen of nevada. reproductive rights advocates are in her state working to enshrine abortion rights in the nevada constitution. thank you for being on with us this morning. how is that effort going? >> thank you for having me on this morning. that effort is going really well. we expect it will be on the ballot. i can tell you nevada is one of the most pro-choice states in the nation. we already have enshrined choice in statute. we want to put it in the constitution to make it even stronger. but make no mistake, since they overturned roe, we know the consequences of what's been happening all across this country, the attack on women's freedom and women's rights. we saw my republican colleagues wouldn't support access to contraception or reproductive assistance. if they institute a nationwide abortion ban, this wouldn't really even matter. that's why it's important to keep a democratic, pro-choice majority to protect our values and not have women dying in emergency room parking lots to get the care they need and able to get the contraception they need so they can start a family where and when and how they want to. >> do you know what the breakdown is in your state in terms of support for abortion rights? >> i would say it's well over 70%. we are a very pro-choice state. this goes across all generations, women and men from young to old. even as a parent, when my daughter eventually wants to have children, i want her to have all the choices available to her. it's not just about women. it's about everybody and their freedom. >> so i'm curious what you can say to that 30%, because i think what helps clench this is it's not just about pregnancy. now, make no mistake, pregnancies in many states across america now are more dangerous and life-threatening because of the fall of roe. but abortion health care is not just for the pregnant. could you explain that argument? i think that's what appeals to that 30%. >> when you talk to obstetricians and women -- and you've seen them come out all across the country. we've had women in nevada telling their stories that they had a much-wanted pregnancy and they were having a miscarriage. they go to the emergency room and the doors are closed to pregnant women in emergency rooms across the country while they're busy calling lawmakers to decide what to do. i don't want anyone, my opponent sam brown, i don't want his picture in my emergency room scaring doctors from giving health care to women. this is how i want to talk to people about that. that emergency could be you or someone you know and love. of course, contraception, if you have cancer or a chronic disease, there's many other reasons women take contraception. the access to that is so important. this is really important, all of this. this war on women, the war on our freedom, the war on our ability to travel perhaps and taking all that away is unacceptable, and the maga extremists like sam brown and like my colleagues in the senate are waging a war on women. nevadans aren't going to have it. >> the supreme court recently overturned a ban on bump stocks that had been put into place in the wake of the nation's largest mass shooting in nevada a few years ago. i want to get your response to what the supreme court did, but also the response to the defense that some republican senators, namely jd vance, have said they agree with what the supreme court did, despite broad popular support for the ban? >> i say shame on jd vance and shame on anyone who disrespects the dead. let them come to nevada and see what a cold-blooded murderer planned and plotted this and bought bump stocks just so he could do the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time. there were 20,000 people who wanted to go to a concert, 20,000 people there. he opened fire with an unimaginable amount of bullets and carnage in a matter of minutes, murdering 60, injuring hundreds, traumatizing those 20,000 and our hotel workers and all our first responders who were there helping trying to get through this mass carnage. anyone who disrespects that, come to nevada. this isn't fake. trump saw that. he put this ban in. they were all for it before. i'm not sure why they're against it now. we have an obligation to keep people safe. that's what's most important. i say shame on anyone who disrespects the dead. >> democratic senator jacky rosen of nevada, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you for having me. we're exactly one week away from this cycle's first presidential debate. president biden will begin debate preps at camp david. the president will aim to go on the offensive and push trump to talk about how his three appointees to the supreme court helped overturn roe v. wade and how he could further undermine abortion rights in a second term. meanwhile, donald trump appears to be starting to lower expectations and make excuses for himself. during a recent rally in wisconsin, he claimed biden could only perform well if he's pumped up on drugs and told his followers to be suspicious of the entire debate enterprise. jonathan lemire, he's trying to add in that now he's not just going to be debating joe biden, but he'll also be debating those vicious moderators. i believe it's dana bash and jake tapper, who are extremely well respected in the industry, fair minded and good at what they do. if anyone's at war with donald trump, it might be just himself. it's definitely not dana and jake, who will stick to the rules the trump campaign agreed to. >> two excellent journalists who will moderate to the best of their ability. >> the best. >> this is an agreement the biden and trump campaigns hashed out. they said they would abide by all the news. this is nothing new from trump. after his first debate with hillary clinton in 2016, he complained forever about how his microphone was rigged somehow against him. he's always trying to suggest it's not a level playing field. we're told this is going to be a deeply personal debate. i'm told president biden will not shy away from using the phrase convicted felon to take about trump. also, steph, any presidential debate is going to be dominated by economic issues. this time around, certainly there's inflation. beyond that, how do you see the discussion a week from tonight? >> listen, it's really tricky, because republicans and donald trump love to talk about the economy, because it really falls into the grievance space. that's what trump specializes in. it's expense trying to buy a home, groceries, gas. it's expensive. it has been difficult for president biden to talk about it. we've had loads of economic wins. compared to the rest of the world, we've had a better recovery post covid than any country out there. the countries doing well in the world are in large part on the back of the united states doing well. when president biden is standing shoulder to shoulder with donald trump, he can say, okay, chief, what are you offering? we have seen this administration do all sorts of things within their power to help people with the average cost of living. as much as trump likes to rail on the economy, the stock market continues to hit record highs. we are seeing record low unemployment. it's also an opportunity for president biden to link expanding legalized immigration right now. we know that illegal immigration is going to be a hot topic for donald trump. he likes to say joe biden wants open borders, which he doesn't. we just got a report yesterday from the cbo talking about how important immigrants are to expansion. he needs to change the narrative around immigration for it not to be such a huge negative and find a way for it to be a productive positive. >> one other trump-related story to ask you about. shares of trump media fell tuesday as the stock continued its long slide, falling 17% on the day and 39% since the end of may. what's behind the slide and where is it going and what does it mean for donald trump? >> it's going down for real. since donald trump's conviction, this stock has been steadily going down now about 40%. the other thing that happened, the company issued more shares. for shareholders out there, it means it dilutes their stock unless you are donald trump. when the company issued more shares, it gave more to him. essentially it gifted donald trump more shares. this thing was at 49 just a few weeks ago, and now it's at 30 and dropping. at 30, donald trump's stake is still worth in the billions. he cannot sell it until september, but there is talk that the board could potentially let him sell those shares sooner. if they do, look out below. i deeply believe it will go down faster, because you know trump is just going to sell. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you so much. it's always good to see you. so president biden is courting latino voters with a new media campaign centered around one of the biggest men's soccer events in the world. the seven-figure ad blitz and organizing effort is trying to reach millions of viewers expected to tune in to the copa america tournament. it includes a new 30-second spot entitled "goal" that will air in swing states hosting matches for the next month. >> four years ago we were shut down. stadiums were empty. trump failed us. then joe biden took over. he reopened the country and got us back on track, investing billions to create new american businesses. he's even making our community safer from gun violence. trump talks and talks. joe biden gets it done. >> i'm joe biden, and i approach this message. coming, a los angeles woman arrested earlier this year while visiting family in russia is now standing trial there for alleged treason. we'll have the latest details on her case straight ahead. plus, accusations of a breach in the partnership between the u.s. and israel is placing new strain on that relationship. we'll get the latest from jerusalem on the escalating tensions. 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>> this doubling of the number of people fleeing for their lives is really the product of two key factors, one, the escalating number of conflicts and number one is the crisis in sudan, 1.5 million refugees from there into neighboring companies. obviously you have displacement in gaza as well and afghanistan and ukraine. secondly, around the world it's being exacerbated by the climate crisis. we know climate is a conflict multiplier, but we're also seeing that the climate crisis is very much today's crisis, people fleeing from climate disasters that are wreaking havoc around the world. within that 120 million statistic is 120 million stories. these are not people fleeing for economic reasons. they're fleeing for political reasons. the response needs to not only be diplomatic, but humanitarian. when you treat humanitarian crises, you forestall future political instability. >> if you could talk about the number one goals, talk about the trouble spots in the world that have more and more displaced people and then these at least two of going wars. where do you begin and what are the goals today? >> the goal is twofold really. the first is to make the case that humanitarian action can make a difference not just to people's livelihoods, but to stability. at the moment we're seeing governments around the world -- i've just come back from germany. they're talking about cuts in their overseas development commitments. we know from the invest in health and education and kids -- remember, 40% of the 120 million are kids under the age of 18. as i said, it forestalls future political instability. order and support for people who are often in the poorest countries -- 75% are nowhere in the united states or europe. the second thing, obviously, is we're seeing the retreat of diplomacy. if you take the war in sudan, which is the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world, the diplomatic system is being pushed to one side. we have conflict actors in the region supported by states in the middle east in a very peculiar internationalization of the conflict. diplomacy needs to make a comeback. >> thank you very much for marking this day with us. >> thank you. and coming up, caitlin clark appears to be hitting her stride almost midway through her rookie season with the wnba. we'll have the highlights from last night's win for the indiana fever. plus, we'll show you the freak injury for a french swimmer, who was celebrating a spot on the olympic team. 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>> um -- >> there's no such thing as stealing from a rigged game. >> it's the tape. >> it's out. >> what's out? >> i'm your owner. >> you're not my owner! >> that's a look at the new fx miniseries titled "clipped" now streaming on hulu. it details the saga of the los angeles clippers and the team's former owner donald sterling. the show highlights the mistakes he made that cost him the team and got him banned for life. with us is gina welch and actress cleopatra coleman. she plays his executive assistant on the show. gina, let's start with you. what led you to this particular topic. donald sterling widely perceived as the worst owner the nba has ever had. >> the sterling affair podcast was like this absurd, fascinating cast of characters just an unbelievable story. vabl. was like for people living and workingeo and trying to thrive d sort of achieve their goals under the power of this toxic, incompetent buffoon. >> just to remind viewers a little bit more of who donald sterling was before this incident. >> sure. donald sterling had, you know, for a long time been notoriously, you know, racist property owner in los angeles and had acquired the team in i think, 1980 and moved it to los angeles. the clippers for a long time were considered the worst franchise in sports. they had never wonfr a on championship. it was in 2013 that they really had their first chance of winning it with this incredible roster, with doc rivers coming to coach in l.a. >> talk about your character. >> i play an assistant to donald sterling. when we meet her in the show she has been working for him for i guess a few f years, and it's kd of an interesting dynamic with him andmi his wife, and then everything kind of blows up. >> tell us some of the themes from this series that really drew you to it. >> yeah, well, vi, she's a really complicated character, and i would really put it to gina's talent as a writer. the scandal happened and vi was reported on in kind of a one dimensional way, and it took someone like i gina to see the value ofee vi as a character. there's so many ways this could have been made, and this takes the perspective of unpacking her as a human being. and as an actor, it's exciting to play someone who is complicated and is a full meal. >> certainly a compelling character to say the least. so tell us all about the idea of the uneasy dynamic that exists in all sports. there's an owner, you know, and in this case, an older white man. the w athletes are younger, african-american, and that plays a big part of this too. how did you explore that? >> our approach to it was really derived from a lawsuit that elginit baylor fired, the forme gm of the clippers and had been an nba great before he took that position. when he left, when he was forced the team in 2008, he sued the nba, sued donald sterling, sued andy roser, and, you know, he called donald sterling's attitude, a plantation mentality, speaking to the power of structures in not only the nba but professional sports. >> an important story. congratulations on the series. the nexton episode of "clipped" airs tuesday on hulu, actress cleopatra coleman and show runner, gina welsh, thank you so much. >> thank you so much for having us. >> thank muchyou. coming up on "morning joe," lawmakers on capitol hill are scramble to go address the boom and disturbing deep fake artificial intelligence images that are targeting everyone from celebrities to high schoolom students. that's next when we come right back.br just buy any footlong in the app and get one free. just scan the qr code and enter promo code flbogo. it only works from the other side of the screen, buddy. you still got a land line in your house. order now in the subway app. hi, i'm tali you still got a land line in your house. and i lost 85 pounds on golo. following golo and taking release i was able to lose weight gradually and keep it off. i wish i started sooner. don't wait go straight to golo.com. welcome back to "morning joe," a bipartisan group of lawmakers is addressing a disturbing aspect of ai. nbc's correspondent savannah sellers has the details. >> reporter: texas republican are ted cruz and minnesota democrat amy klobuchar joining together to address the disturbing nonconsensual images created online, including those by artificial intelligence. >> this is increasingly affected and targeted at minors. >> deep fake porn production up 464% last year, a simple ai technology can make realistic looking explicit images of anyone. actor jacob, targeted this week in a fake video viewed many times. others targeted with face swooping including emma watson, scarlett johansson and taylor swift, but it's far from just celebrities. >> i was thinking this is my photo from my instagram why would there be a body that's not mine on it. >> elliston berry said she was 14 when fake explicit images of her created by a classmate spread via snapchat. >> did it feel like there was anything you could do about it? >> i felt helpless berry's mother says it was eight months before the social media platform took action in their case. the bipartisan bill known as the take it down agent puts the onus on tech companies requiring them to remove nonconsensual intimate imagery within 48 hours of receiving a credible complaint, and the bill targets individuals making it a federal crime to publish the images, a crucial step says legal scholar mary anne franks. >> distribution is important. the platforms are important but making sure that any person who is thinking about doing this to another person thinks twice because they might have to face really serious consequences. that's key. >> innocent victims like elliston berry, hopeful help is on the way. >> that was savannah sellers with that important and worrisome report. we are a couple of minutes before the top of the hour. all eyes on the supreme court. you see it there in washington, d.c. we are awaiting a number of decisions including one about donald trump and presidential immunity. decision day is today, tomorrow, likely a few next week. we don't know if we'll get the trump ruling today. as many legal experts have said, it may already be too late. the delays in the decision making process may now prevent the january 6th federal trial from starting before the election. we of course will have complete coverage about this all day long on msnbc. that does it for us this morning on "morning joe." we'll see you tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports" breaking news from the supreme court, more decisions set to come down, with major cases undecided. abortion access, gun rights and donald trump's immunity argument. we're live at the court. plus a one, two, threepunch of extreme weather. a brutal heat wave cooks millions and wildfires continue to blaze out west. later, one week out from the first presidential debate of this election season, how both sides are preparing for the fight of their political lives. thanks for joining us, it is 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. let's get to that breaking news this hour at the supreme court where we expect decisions any moment now with a string of block buster cases still undecided, including presidential immunity, abortion and gun rights, as justices hurdle towards end of their term. joining us from the supreme court, nbc's ken dilanian, walk us through what we're watching for. >> reporter: good morning, ana, obviously presidential immunity is the big

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