election interference trials, one of them encompassing the insurrection on january 6 and one pending classified documents trial for retaining and hiding records, government records, some of them containing top secret nuclear intelligence haven't driven away donald trump's voters, what will last week's felony conviction for falsifying documents and to conceal them and to conceal that information from voters in 2016 really do? in other words, what more do voters really need to know about donald trump? or to put a finer point on it, how many more voters need to know more about donald trump? believe it or not, there are quite a few. "the new york times" went back and interviewed nearly 2,000 people, some of them who said a conviction would make them rethink voting for donald trump. we're going to tell you the results of their survey in just a moment, but first here is what some of those voters said, quote, we all know if donald trump gets reelected he's going to try to be a dictator and he's got his i'm going to get you list, said a man from georgia. quote, if a person who received 34 felony convictions in one day can still run for president, why can my guy not apply for a job at a gas station, said a woman from pennsylvania. and, quote, what is going to happen with him? is this judge going to put him in jail if i knew that robert kennedy jr. would have a real shot i would vote for him, said a man from nevada. which leads us to our million dollar question, the one that we will have until november, does the conviction swing the votes? and what are the campaigns doing about it? joining us now in phoenix is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, anchor of cnbc's tech check deirdre bosa and former white house communications director under president obama and msnbc political analyst jen palmeri. all right. there are a lot of open questions here, not ones that are easy to answer. vaughan, this polling suggests that among the voters who are swayed, they are swayed away from donald trump, not toward donald trump. there is a small, small movement within this set of voters. when you are going to trump rallies, is there anything that the trump team is doing to try to mitigate this? >> reporter: i think that that's where it comes down to, katy, can you mitigate the losses of individuals like you just heard from here, those very types of reticent conservatives or independents in places like here in maricopa county or i was just talking to one man who knocked on doors for donald trump in the rural northwest corner of the state here in mojave county where he believes there are untapped trump supporters that they can go and inspire coming out this have conviction who maybe didn't vote in 2020 to get out there now because they are convinced that donald trump is being politically persecuted and unfairly targeted and the only way to correct course is by getting him back into the white house and prevent him from potentially even a prison sentence. and that is where donald trump -- where is he? he is here in maricopa for the first since since october 2022 because this is go time right now. and for donald trump you are not hearing a passive or moderating donald trump by any means. instead he has made the conscious decision to go and undercut the decision that the jurors made, those 12 jurors in new york, undercut the minds of the public about the judge merchan who was overseeing the case and undercut the very basis for which the charges were brought against him by the district attorney alvin bragg. i can tell you in talking to a great many folks here in maricopa county there are folks to understand and repeat and echo the lines of donald trump and what he has said in the courtroom or outside of the courtroom over the last eight weeks and that this was unfair and this was politically motivated and that is what you should expect to see donald trump not only today but when he goes to nevada this weekend and in the weeks ahead on the campaign trail continue to try to undercut the basis of the investigation. >> in a different lifetime the republican party itself would have said to a candidate who got convicted of a crime, you have to step aside. we are not running you. we want want to run you for the voters and also it would be a bad idea to try to put a convicted felon in the white house. has there been any discussion whatsoever that you know about by republicans about donald trump being a convicted felon now and him running for office? i guess i know the answer to that question because they already didn't ask him to stop running after what happened on january 6. >> reporter: correct. they didn't ask him to stop running after january 6. there were several that jumped into the ring to try to beat him in the primary but i think it was a clear message that was sent by the republican voters during the 2024 primary process and that is one that is living out today. no matter the indictment, no matter the conviction, among the republican voter electorate the majority side with donald trump and side with him even in the conviction. if you are somebody like a carrie lake who has a senate primary just over a month from now, you hedge your bets and a pretty good bet is to stand next to donald trump in solidarity with him as opposed to the other guy mark lam who is running against her in that primary because the extent to which you can buddy up and defend donald trump really provides you the bona fides to be the true stalwart of the republican party under donald trump in the year of 2024. >> listen, the trump team will tell you look at all the money we've raised since the conviction, look at what it's done for our ability to campaign. obviously a lot of money is going to go to his legal bills that are still mounting. deirdre, in talking about the fundraising there has been a shift among the very, very wealthy in the part of down that you cover, silicon valley. tell me what the very wealthy tech people are doing for donald trump. >> reporter: well, they're raising money for donald trump. something that was kind of unthinkable eight years ago for this to really be out in the open but i'm here in the heart of san francisco behind me is an influential and wealthy venture capitalist, david sachs' home. tickets are go going for $5,000 a seat or $300,000 at the vip level. eight years ago it was another influential tech investor named peter thiel who put his support behind trump and it felt liability the whole tech community was appalled and aghast at this. the tone is so much different here eight years later. there is a lot more support and it's really an example of this fundraiser tonight of how once support of the former president could vilify you, but now it can glorify you. the organizer david sachs along with another tech investor they have supported democrats in the past, this time around they're throwing all of their support behind the former president. they're hoping that this event will actually encourage more in the tech community to come out in support of the former president. i mean, there's two factors at play here, one is on the policy side. trump is seen -- and the republican policies are seen as more friendly or at least less hostile to the tech community, whereas president biden and his administration, his regulators, are seen as tougher on things like big tech, gig economy, generative ai. so that's a play here, but the other factor here is that a lot of folks here will say that some of the folks who are in support of the former president will say that this has just been a silent movement that is coming to the forefront. >> i was on with stephanie ruhle the other night and she called the move among the billions toward donald trump transactional. here is what i can get if i give my money to donald trump, she cited the meeting he had with the oil techs the other day. is that what this is, they believe they can get something out of funding donald trump, that it will deregulate their industry and they will be able to do more of what they want? >> reporter: i would note that so far it's a lot of private market investors. you are not seeing the big public ceos come out in support of trump but the private market investors have a lot of reason to. the last trump administration there were corporate tax cuts that benefited the tech industry from small companies to the mega caps, he carved out exemptions in the china tariffs. there is this thinking they may be able to get more out of a trump administration where we're seen the biden administration be a lot tougher on the tech industry. >> all right. jen, where do i begin? democrats will hear this and they will say to themselves how can this possibly be? how can anybody who experienced the four years that donald trump was in office, how can anybody who at the very least experienced january 6 actually say to themselves i want to -- a, i want to vote for the guy again, or b, i want to give money to the guy. how do democrats deal with that sort of vibe among what seems like is still a very substantial number of voters? >> yeah, i mean, i would say with silicon valley there are a lot of ceos that are brand name ceos in silicon valley that you are definitely not going to see show up in san francisco tonight for the trump event. i think that we heard a good reason, trump will do their bidding. whatever that may be in terms of people who are showing up tonight. i think there is a calculation that biden is going to do what biden is going to do in terms of their -- in terms of policy and whether or not they donate to him is not going to make a difference because biden has integrity and it's worth a flier on trump. it's a cynical thing. also some of these people are disrupters by nature. i find it alarming people for whom the system is working, for whom, you know, the state of america right now is okay to buy into trump is alarming, but, you know, to counter that with what vaughan told us and what that poll told us, i think the problem for trump with his convictions is it may motivate his base but in order to win over swing voters he needs to tell a very different story about that conviction and that is -- like that's -- >> let's talk about swing voters. do you think that the conviction is really going to swing them? i know that the "new york times" survey, we can put the results back up, shows a -- donald trump was plus 3 before the conviction, now he's plus 1 according to the people that they spoke to, again, which is a real movement and it can make a difference, but i wonder is the conviction really going to be the issue for them? because as i mentioned at the top, he's already been facing so much. the country saw what happened on january 6, there's all of the allegations regarding the classified documents. who is left that's going to be convinced by a conviction or is it really about my pocketbook, my groceries are more expensive than they used to be? is it more transactional as it is for the billionaires for the swing voters as well? >> i mean, they are not a monolith and i think that it's not all just transactional. people care about the economy obviously and that is always going to be top of mind, but you saw in 2022 people -- a lot of swing voters cared a lot about democracy, people care a lot about abortion rights. so, you know, the argument that the biden campaign, the president said last week that i think they will continue to make, is this was a fair trial and donald trump cannot accept the results of it, just like he cannot accept the results from the 2020 election. and i think that that message over and over again really appropriately raises the stakes and i do think there was 52% of independents over the weekend in that ipsos reuters poll who said they think donald trump should drop out. 52% of the independents said they would not support him because of the conviction, but it is -- it is a truth threat but it is also a resident threat for voters that he will not accept the results. he can't have that -- a lot of people think this could be the last election if trump wins and it's a way to make that argument. >> let me ask you about what they campaign on because the associated press, steve people's, great reporter, is reporting on a split in the biden camp. he said there are key voices in the biden campaign headquarters who believe democrats should lean into donald trump's conviction as a significant turning point in politics and history, others favor a more cautious approach, fearful of a voter backlash if democratic officials push too hard on a criminal conviction that trump insists without evidence was rigged against him. my question is kind of a side note to this, which is the voters who care about democracy, haven't they already decided? should the biden team be pushing the democratic saving message. haven't voters said if i'm worried about democracy i've already decided. is there a different issue that the campaign would be more effective to focus on? >> the good news about a fragmented media system these days is you don't necessarily have to choose. there's ways to reach voters -- there are -- you know, for example, we know there's the -- we refer to them as the nikki haley voters. those are people that we know from polling that the republicans for biden group does that there are people who worried a lot about january 6, people will no longer vote for trump because of that. you can't count on that because these are republicans who it would be a big stretch for them to vote for biden. you do have to push that message. i think you do have to push economic messages as well. there's a lot of things that are hard about the divided media ecosystem that make it tougher on the biden campaign, for example, if you pay attention to the news, you're wildly for joe biden. if you don't you're not. so it's hard to reach those people. the good news is you don't have to choose what message you want to emphasize. >> and that's a good point. i also can't imagine that republicans would shy away from going after somebody who had a conviction, even if it wasn't at all related to trying to influence an election. i can't imagine republicans would have any hesitancy whatsoever or worry about the optics as democrats do. thank you so much, jen. good to have you. appreciate it. and thanks to deirdre and vaughn as well for the reporter. what happened when a former trump adviser steve bannon was ordered to report to prison? this happened today. coming up next, we will tell you what the judge ordered ban non's lawyer to do in court. later, what president biden warned on the 80th anniversary of d-day. plus, what prosecutors tried to argue on day four of the hunter biden gun hearing and what beau biden's widow said about finding the gun. we are back in 90 seconds. i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain, and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. stomach and sleep issues, dizziness, increased appetite, and fatigue are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. i didn't have to change my treatment. i just gave it a lift. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. steve bannon is headed to prison, a federal judge today ordered him to start his sentence on july 1st. bannon was found guilty on two counts of contempt of congress for refusing to comply with a january 6th committee subpoena two years ago. joining us now msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. where is he going and for how long? >> i'm not sure we know where he's going yet, but he has to self-surrender on july 1st and he will serve a four-month sentence. one of my colleagues did a calculation today and she said that he is projected to be released, assuming he serves every day of his sentence, four days before election day this year. >> wow. why was he -- why did it take so long to send him to prison? he was found guilty to year ago. >> the judge kyle nichols, the same judge as today found it was appropriate to stay bannon's conviction while he appealed that conviction. bannon said he couldn't have willfully been in contempt of congress because he was relying on his advice of his then counsel robert costello. that was soundly rejected by the d.c. circuit on reliance of a case that comes from 1961, the same case that prevented judge nichols from allowing bannon to make the argument at his trial. still, judge nichols felt that maybe the d.c. circuit would take a different view this time, stayed the sentence. now that the d.c. circuit has agreed that its precedent stands -- >> robert costello. >> robert costello. >> remind us about robert costello. >> he was the defense's only substantive witness in the trump manhattan da's case. he was there of course to say that another one of his almost clients, would be clients, michael cohen was lying when he recounted the various interactions that they had had before cohen eventually decided to turn. >> and the judge was not happy with costello because costello was not acted in the judge's estimation appropriately in court. he threatened him with contempt if he continued to mutter and make objections that he wasn't qualified to make. bannon's lawyer today also got into it with the journal. what happened? >> bannon's lawyer soundly objected and basically said this isn't the justice system that i know. he still has appeals rights. he still could seek a rehearing from the d.c. circuit or go to the supreme court and on that basis you shouldn't send him to prison now. this isn't the system of justice i know, at which point judge nichols said you should sit down. >> well, does he have a point or is the judge -- explain the background on that. >> i think that david schoen who is bannon's criminal defense attorney now and i should note also represented donald trump in his second of two impeachments, he is a real defense lawyer's defense lawyer. he is not a partisan hack. that having been said did he get very impassioned in a way that judge nichols found inappropriate and disrespectful? seems to be he cross add line as far as judge nichols was concerned. >> lisa rubin, thank you very much. always good to see you. coming up, what beau biden's widow told the court today about the, quote, terrible experience she had in the aftermath of her husband's death when she began a relationship with hunter biden. first, though, how are they going to get through it all? 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>> absolutely. the supreme court has been working at a languid pace so far this term. we expected at least one blockbuster today. we did not get one, and yet the court has traditionally impose add deadline for the end of june to release all its opinions, that would be june 28th, this year, that's a friday, it's going to be a friday from hell because the court still has about two dozen major cases to hand down and as of today they aren't even planning to give us any more until next thursday. that means they've got a lot of work left to do and we have got a lot of blockbusters that will soon be dumped in our laps one on top of the other. >> let's start with mifepristone, what are we waiting for? >> we are waiting for a decision on whether the fda can continue to make mifepristone widely available in blue states where it is legal or whether the judiciary will force the fda to dramatically roll back access to mifepristone and make it far more difficult for patients to access medication abortion. >> what about guns? >> we are waiting on two major decisions, one that will decide the legality of the bump stock ban first imposed by the trump administration that outlawed equipment that makes ar-15s fire like automatic weapons and also a case that will decide whether people who have been judged to be domestic abusers who have been placed under a restraining order for beating their spouses, whether they still have a second amendment right to bear arms. >> that was in response, the bump stock one to the massacre at that outdoor concert in las vegas. what about the environment? >> so we've got a really big case testing the biden administration's regulation of ozone pollution. the problem here is that there are a bunch of states that emit ozone that then drifts down into other states and harms their environment. the supreme court will decide whether the biden administration and its epa have properly regulated those emissions or whether they overstepped. and more broadly the supreme court is looking at a series of cases that could severely limit the executive branch's ability through the epa and a bunch of other agencies to implement regulations, including environmental laws that congress passed that gave the executive a kind of broad and sweeping mandate to protect public health. >> okay. finally, i know you're waiting for this one, presidential immunity. what are we waiting for on that? >> yes. so we are waiting to see whether donald trump can at some point be tried for crimes relating to january 6th or whether he is totally immune from prosecution for all actions that he took while in office. and i will just add there is a similar and related case that will decide whether something like 350 january 6th defendants, including donald trump, will see charges against them dropped and dismissed because the supreme court could decide to narrow an obstruction statute that played a central role in the indictment and prosecuors of the rioters and donald trump himself. >> on the bounds of immunity, if that happens how much longer does the case take? >> absolutely. i think that's what will happen. i think the supreme court will set some kind of boundary and say, well, these acts can be prosecuted but these can't, then it will go back down to judge chutkan. i think she will have to hold what will essentially be a mini trial before bringing in a jury to determine exactly where that line is with the facts of the case. that itself will take months and her decision will eventually be appealed back up to the d.c. circuit and back up to the supreme court. so it's quite possible, katy, that each under the best circumstances you and i could be sitting here a year from now and having a similar discussion about this same case which would only have moved a few inches forward. >> that is if donald trump is not reelected. mark joseph stern, thank you so much. throwing all the cases out the ones that he does not like, the ones that aren't state cases. and what we learned today when beau biden's widow took the stand in the case against hunter biden. it was really emotional and quite taxing. first, though, honoring the heroes of d-day. what the president did today, what he said today to mark this anniversary in particular. undo , with the pepto that's right for you. ♪ pepto has berry fast melts ♪ ♪ cherry chewables ♪ ♪ liquicaps ♪ ♪ that make relief easy. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ pepto bismol. ♪ pick your pepto. nothing dims my light like a migraine. with nurtec odt, i found relief. the only migraine medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. 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film "saving private ryan." oscar winners steven spielberg and tom hanks who spoke with nbc's peter alexander. >> we have a few men and women who i see as being 16, 17, 18, maybe 25 years old and they might be in wheelchairs now, but they are represented by everything that is here. were it not for their choice to come and do the right thing 80 years ago you and i would not be standing here. >> joining us now nbc news correspondent jay gray in normandy, france. so, jay, the president also gave quite a speech today. can you caucus through it? what did he say? >> reporter: yeah, amazing day here today as the sun begins to fade, katy, on a day that was really dedicated to the men who stormed those beaches, the fighter pilots, those on the fighter jets -- on the fighter planes and on the ships that were just miles off the coastline here as you can see. it was also dedicated to so many who didn't make it marked by these white headstones. the president spoke in glowing terms about the american commitment here, he talked democracy and the strength of democracy and the importance of allies. he said that the sacrifices made then as we've heard others say are making a difference today. in fact, give a listen to one of the key moments in his address today. >> they knew beyond any doubt there are things that are worth fighting and dying for. freedom is worth it. democracy is worth it. america is worth it. the world is worth it. then, now and always. >> reporter: i have to tell you it was a somber and emotional day here today, and, katy, what an honor and a privilege it's been for me over the week to spend some time with these american heroes. i'm struck by what one of the d-day survivors said to me today. he pointed out at these crosses, tears in his eyes, and he said, these guys, they were 17, 18, 19 years old. they didn't get to have families. he said, i had a family. i got to live this long life because of their sacrifice. and he wanted to make sure that their story continues to be told. it's just a very special time in a very special place with some just incredible heroes. >> you're very privileged to be there. jay gray. jay, thank you very much. joining us now the "washington post" foreign affairs columnist david ignatius. david, good to have you. my husband was also in normandy today and i was watching his coverage and he said something that i'd like you to give me your thoughts on. these are some of the last remaining survivors of world war ii that are showing up, this is probably going to be the last big anniversary when we do have survivors. they are all 100 years and more. so the job of remembering the sacrifices from those days, the job of remembering what happened during world war ii, how we got there now falls to our generation t falls to us, the memory of it falls to us so we can remind everybody else of what they did and why war is so horrible and why war should be the very last option. >> your husband and your correspondence said it well. normandy is sacred ground for american democracy, for the western alliance and the scene in which president biden spoke today is one that should be just carved on our memories. ahead of him as he looked out were the thousands of crosses on that green lawn, behind him were the faces of these now very old men who landed on the beaches. it was a challenge for biden to speak to that moment with the emotion that it deserves. and i thought he did. i thought this was perhaps the strongest speech he has given since the state of the union. he spoke forcefully. he spoke with conviction when he said we will not bow down to tyranny, to dictators today, you understood that he meant he feels he is in a conflict in ukraine that requires comparison to what happened before. so it was an extraordinary day, as you say, telling the story, covering it as journalists, keeping it alive is important because this is a touchstone for all of us. >> let's play a little bit more of what biden said today about this moment in particular and why it matters so much. >> america has invested in our alliances and forged new ones, not simply out of altruism, but out of our own self-interest as well. america's unique ability to bring countries together is an undeniable source of our strength and our power. isolationism was not the answer 80 years ago and it is not the answer today. >> he's talking to the world there, but he's also talking to a big portion of the american public, which is not happy about our involvement in ukraine and not happy about our involvement in the war between israel and hamas. >> so i think his job in this campaign and that of all the people who will be arguing for him is to make this sense of history playing out in our time live and meaningful for people. you're quite right to say that younger people often don't understand that people are sick of forever wars. d-day and this anniversary reminds us of what war in its most fundamental way is about. biden has to convince americans that the sacrifices being made by the ukrainian people, the modest sacrifices the united states is making are worth it because being connected to the world is not only important for us, it's inevitable. we can't separate ourselves. that's what -- that's what world war ii taught america. >> the eu has elections today and depending on who gets elected there could be a change in policy toward europe and ukraine. what is at stake right now in this moment as we are coming up on our election in november and donald trump who has had a very different stance toward ukraine and now with the eu changing leaders and influence makers? >> so russia is basically counting on weakness in the west. it's hoping that europeans are becoming tired of the war, they are intimidated by russian threats to use tactical nuclear weapons, to continue the war. they're hoping, i think, that donald trump will win in november. it will make -- it will impose a concessionary deal on ukraine. that's russia's game. i have more confidence in europe perhaps than some other analysts because i've seen europe wake up to the reality of the russian threat. i don't think europe is going to race back toward moscow the way it was doing in the '80s and '90s. i think that that period is over. but, again, it's crucial that the united states be a strong pillar. europeans worry that we are just a country that you can't tell from one election to the next where we're going to be and i think biden's job is to make his presentation, steady the country so that europeans look at the united states and say, yeah, that's the right bet. i'm not going to bet on putin. i'm going to stay the course that the united states describes because it's the right bet. >> david ignatius, always good to have you. thank you. >> thanks, katy. coming up, is the worst over? where deadly storms that tore across michigan and maryland are heading next. and on day four of the hunter biden trial, what we heard, what we learned from hunter 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>> it's proof yo don't need the perfect setup to have a lot of tornadoes. yesterday it was a surprise, but we didn't think we'd have this many tornadoes. 22, a lot of those near washington, d.c. and maryland. i'm going to take you to the detroit one. this was a rare case of what happened and extremely sad. we had the house. we have the storm that hit. and a huge tree fell on one of the bedrooms. so in the house, we had a grandmother and a 3-year-old and the mom in bed with another child. and the tree fell on the bed with the mom. the grandmother was in the other room. it took firefighters an hour to cut into that tree to try to rescue them. the mother is in critical condition in the hospital. the child did not make it. i'm going to take you to this one. it never had had a tornado warning at all. this is where it took place. this is just outside of detroit. now we'll take you through the timeline. as we go into 3:00 yesterday afternoon, severe thunderstorm warnings to the north not much happened. by 3:10, you can see this little area, it doesn't even look like much. maybe a quick downpour. head inside and wait for the downpour to go by. but this is what produced that tornado it was only on the ground for five mills. ask that's what hit. that's what took the life of that poor child. there was no tornado warning with it. it formed right over the top of them the and dissipated and it was gone. not like the midwest tornadoes we talk about that are on the ground for hours. and as far as the washington, d.c. area, we had two supercells. you can see the line that went all the way to baltimore with those tornado warnings. extremely rare, but all the tornadoes are weak. that's why we had injuries and not fatalities. what are we dealing with? 9 million people are at risk. we have seen heavy rain. we have a chance of getting some wind damage in the same areas that had the tornadoes yesterday in areas of maryland. severe thunderstorm watches up to 9:00 this evening. we're watching a couple isolated storms out here, but we don't have the spin in the atmosphere. that's why we're not expecting to get the tornadoes like we had yesterday afternoon. wind damage would be the biggest issue. washington, d.c., just some stronger storms will pass north of you. how incredibly sad. a grandmother, a mom and two children in the house. a huge tree and a tornado hit. >> a tree falling is my worst nightmare. anything to do? >> i always tell people when we have hurricanes, you look at your property. know the direction the wind is blowing so that way you go away from the tree it could fall. but a tornado they twist. >> they had no heads up. >> there was no warning. there was no watch. very sad. >> worst fear. bill karins, thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. 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