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upside down american flag today. buy ten or more and receive an under-down bible absolutely free. give me cash. just give me money! >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, june 5th. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire and mike barnicle is with you also off the top. u.s. correspondent for bbc news, katie kay. and richard hause is joining us as well for the conversation. >> when people see richard, they think we immediately -- why they come here and drives you crazy. >> right. >> i'll talk about it. you know? it will break. >> what? >> sometimes things get a little -- >> yeah. >> let's talk about india's elections. >> what? >> not what you're expecting! i got to say, whoa! you know? very few election results where you are surprised. i think poland was one of them last year, despite the fact that he had all of the disadvantages and none of the advantages. the only justice department basically controlled all of the levers of government and were using them to defeat tusk in poland. what happened in india? maybe more shocking. all we have heard for the past couple of years is how modi is this growing autocrat and he is one of the most popular and beloved figures in the world, he has complete control over india. he is like a grandfather. you've heard it all on and on and on. a shocker yesterday. he's got to, like, grub around, like, an actual politician and have alliance. >> correct. the largest have gone to the polls. everyone was predicting a landslide and it was anything but. the pleurality party got the most votes but not the outright majority. the prime minister gets a third term for only the second time in india history but it's a disappointment as you say to cobble together a coalition with parties that don't share hindu naturalist cultural dreams for india. i think it's a pushback on inflation and pushback on inequality in india and you're right. i think it's actually a good thing, joe, for india democracy. it was becoming too top heavy democracy and i think it's a good development, honestly. >> all right. so there is our comic relief for the morning. >> all right. let's go to our top story. "the wall street journal" is out with a new piece entitled "behind closed doors." biden shows signs of slipping. the journal says it spoke with both republicans and democrats who had their participated in meetings with biden or briefed on them but essentially only on the record, republican critics in the article, the one is former speaker kevin mccarthy. the journal writes, quote. >> by the way, they also quoted mike johnson. people around mike johnson and admit that this is basically house republicans whacking -- >> why didn't they ask marjorie taylor greene and lauren -- >> it's shocking especially when you see what kevin mccarthy has said repeatedly publicly and behind the scenes about biden on those same days when they were negotiating. >> the strong feelings you're seeing about this article comes also because the context of this race and these two candidates, it's interesting. that's all i'll say. anyhow. that flies in the pace face of what mccarthy said about biden's effectiveness in the past. from politico, last year, quote. >> in public. like he did in this article. >> while privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations. a contradiction that left a deep impression on the white house. this from "the new york times." privately, mr. mccarthy has told allies that he has found mr. biden to be mentally sharp in meetings. this from "the hill." very professional. very smart. very tough at the same time. mccarthy told reporters at the capitol of his talks with biden. >> willie, i could go on and on with things that kevin mccarthy and others have said about negotiating with joe biden. i could also talk about what the french delegation said when they were negotiating with him and what they told me. and friends that i have in that french delegation were a part of those negotiations who said that macron came out like, wow. okay. he's a lot tougher than what we expected. actually, i think macron sort of got his backup because biden was pressing so hard. i can tell you the same thing about middle eastern people i talked to. some people are suggesting that he, you know, a bit too tough in negotiations, that the united states throws their weight around a little bit too much. but what is so shocking about this article is they go to kevin mccarthy as their main source and other house republicans. the same house republicans mike johnson, who just there lied through his teeth repeatedly and mike johnson who got to power based on the big lie. they are using people around johnson and kevin mccarthy to do this trump hit piece on joe biden. but, again, here is the quote. kevin mccarthy mocked biden's age and mental acuity in public. this is from politico last year. while privately telling allies that, in private, he found the president to be sharp and substantive. i've talked to you about my meetings with the president over the past year, willie, and i talked to mike and mika about it. i said in real-time, the guy -- you see both of those guys right there? i've spent time with both of those guys privately. i've spent time with biden and trump privately. i've spent time with every house speaker over the past 30 years and joe biden. i'm not just -- it's just not close. if you want to talk about international affairs, if you want to talk about how to get bipartisan legislation, joe biden is light years ahead of all of them and the fact that "the wall street journal" knew those quotes were out there, the editors. i'm not looking at the reporter. people outlines blame the reporter. there are a line of editors that is behind every story is done. the editors saw that kevin mccarthy had a habit of saying one thing in public, lying in public, and then privately telling his aides just the opposite. that biden was sharp, that he was cogent and substantive. in the same meeting that kevin mccarthy is now telling "the wall street journal" biden was out of it, he went out and he told reporters after the meeting that the meeting was, quote, the best yet, we are making progress and i'm going to be talking to joe biden every day. very professional. very smart. very tough. i just don't know what to say. i really don't know what to say here. >> let's begin with the fact that joe biden is 81 years old and donald trump, by the way, will be 78 next week. so he is not much younger. so, yes, does he move a little slower and speak a little softer than he did 15 years ago when he was vice president? >> yes. >> as former speaker mccarthy said in the piece? sure does. i think most 81-year-olds do or most people are different than they were 15 years ago. this does have the feeling of trump laundering their attacks in the "the wall street journal." the important note about notes. president use notes in meetings. that is not unusual. they might have a sheet, they might have a card in front of them with some points they want to make. i would also point out donald trump has a person who follows him with a printer to print things out for him so he can have hard copies so he can read his notes and facts and lies often that he rattles off. and the other point to make is will "the wall street journal" have a piece about donald trump in his mental acuity? all you have to do is watch the 90 minutes of that fox news interview over the weekend and you could go through and do an entire series of articles on someone who doesn't seem to have it altogether. mike barnicle, you're very plugged into the white house. what is the early reaction to this piece? >> i can't say it on the air. you can't just say it on the air what the reaction is, actually. i am sort of actually embarrassed for "the wall street journal" with this piece and there is one, at least to me and others, richard, anyone who has spent any time at all, joe, mika, you. anybody who spent any time at all with joe biden knows one thing about joe biden above all else, he is a talker, he's a talker. so here is the tell in this piece. with ukraine running out of munitions, the white house called together top lawmakers and discussed what it would take to get congressional funding along with the scope of border security changes demanded by republicans. the president moved so slowly around the cabinet room to greet the nearly two dozen congressional leaders that it took about ten minutes for the meeting to begin. some people who attended recalled. two dozen people around a table and it took him ten minutes to go around. i'm amazed it didn't take him an hour. everyone he meets, he has ten minutes to talk to them about, everyone. so this was a classic, classic hit piece. probably ordered up by the 93-year-old fifth-time married rupert murdoch over the weekend -- probably, you know? but, i mean, this piece is so tilted, so off the mark. is he 81 years old? he is a bit slower in terms of his reaction to some things? probably. that, i don't know. we don't know. i do know, richard, and you've talked to people, i'm sure, who have been with him in national security meetings. i've been with people who have been with him in the situation room where he literally goes around the globe on the chart in the situation room. i've never been in there but electronically and he points out the weakness and strengths with the united states with other countries with no notes. he is an 81-year-old president of the united states who gets up every day and has to deal with b.b. netanyahu and his son is on trial and an addict and on his mind all the time. this piece is outrageous. >> but mike, it's not that complicated. it's just not. you know -- >> look who they quote. >> we don't have to talk to anybody but the person they quote, kevin mccarthy, who is the source. again, kevin mccarthy who is on actually a sort of a p.r. tour right now to clean up the fact, and politico written a story about this, the fact he lies and the fact he bounces back and forth. he is trying to go on a basically p.r. tour but we don't have to ask world leaders but please feel free to jump in. let's just talk to the guy that was the source of this story and quoted. mccarthy mocked biden's age and mental acute in public while privately telling allies in private he found him sharp and substantive and called him very professional and very smart and very tough and this same meeting, again, "the wall street journal" is basing this story on, on kevin mccarthy's lies? kevin mccarthy's lies, which it's in the press. there is a mountain of quotes from kevin mccarthy and people around kevin mccarthy saying that biden is sharp. he is mentally sharp privately. i mean, yeah. so go ahead and talk about what i talked about and talking to world leaders. but, again, it's just not complicated. >> no, it's not. >> they went to a guy who has admitted that he lies in public and that privately biden is very sharp. >> joe, two republican speakers is up to recall in the recent past. kevin mccarthy and mike johnson. democrats saved mike johnson with their croats. they refuse to save kevin mccarthy when he was up and he is out. why? because it was universal. even from republicans and democrats. kevin mccarthy is a liar. that is why he didn't get the support. >> also really odd the story comes out now. think about the last week. joe biden has come forward with three major new policies. a cease-fire initiative in the middle east and new weapons pathology for ukraine and different policy on the border. three enormous issues and three new policies. you know, you may like the policies, you may not, but this is clearly a president who is driving an agenda. >> so we can quote some of the white house response. white house communication director tweet last night complete and editorial fail. andrew bates is quoted denying a lot of it and note one of the examples cited in the piece was about energy policy and then other reporters have already been fact checking on twitter today saying actually what the president said represented what the biden administration's policy was. so it was perhaps speaker johnson, republicans in the room who got it wrong. may have disagreed with the policy. >> maybe got confused? >> right. but the president did say accurately what the administration wanted. the story line, of course, deeply upsets the white house. they understand privately it is a real one that polls suggest that americans are concerned about the president's age. that is simply true. they do feel, of course, and think point to the white house position and the physical the president receives every year saying he is very much up for the job. it is a story line that had faded some in recent months after the president's state of the union where he delivered a vigorous performance. some of the other moments since he is seen as doing well. he sits for fewer interviews than his predecessors but did a big run for "time" magazine that was printed yesterday. it's true we don't hear from him as much as other president and all of that is accurate but a lot of this still applies to donald trump as well and we have gone through on the show repeatedly how he has slipped as well and he has shown signs of age, katty. it feels like a moment here with crump reeling after the verdict and we will wait to see that is going to play out that it's republicans trying revive what they think could be an effective story line. >> yeah. andrew bates hinteding in the piece the degree we haven't seen very much of the unscripted joe biden and will we start seeing that pick up as the campaign gets hotter. i think a lot of us would like to see joe biden out in public more. we would like to see him doing more interviews certainly with us journalists he didn't many of. the state of the union as you're saying did a lot to put these stories to rest for a little while. when he is out there he has performed well when he has got the big moments. some sense that his campaign has tried very much to try to corral joe biden and keep him out of the public eye and not give him much interaction with journalists. maybe that needs to change. actually maybe more joe biden is better and we will certainly see him at the debate but when he is out performing and talking about policy and doing the kinds of policies and implementing them, you know, as we have been hearing, then that seems to his benefit. more joe biden, not less, maybe a strategy that helps them. >> by the way, that is a legitimate story. that is a story. he is not as available as past presidents or whatever it may be. he has passed more bipartisan legislation than any generation and you look the past week how busy the past week has been. i want to say, first of all, i am loathed to attack "the new york times," "the wall street journal," "the washington post," these papers, katty, that do such remarkable work day in and day out. they do. "the wall street journal" editorial page i read it every day and disagree with it maybe half the time but half the time i'm glad somebody is saying this, right? i think "the wall street journal" editorial page when it makes me angry reading what they say, it's really necessary. it's important for our democracy. but, you know, as you know, "the wall street journal" news side of things is always -- had an extraordinary reputation inside and outside of washington but democrats and republicans alike. i do not want to paint with a broad brush here, especially considering the new editor emmitt tucker. i'm a big fan. i don't understand this story. i think it's unfair. but it's pretty remarkable, i think, what emmitt tucker has done in her short time at "the wall street journal" and i wish her and whatever is happening at "the washington post," although i have no idea what is happening at "the washington post." i wish them all of the best of luck. but this is, again, deeply troubling that they would base a story at this time in a campaign on house republicans who have a record -- record of lying. that is not opinion. that is fact. and we have the specific lies in front of us about kevin mccarthy saying one thing publicly and another thing behind closed doors that undermine this story. >> i agree with you on "the wall street journal." i like the fact when i read it i don't know what to expect from the opinion pages and it's interesting to find media outlets that people are saying counterintuitive with their party line and i think the journal does a good job and around the world they have great reporters in ukraine and middle east and africa so they have done a very good job. in this piece, i think they fell short in not pointing out that mccarthy is being quoted on the record on previous occasions as saying one thing and meaning another thing. and to rely on him as your one quoted source when he has a track record of speaking, let's say, duplicitously on some of this, it doesn't quite hold the credibility it could do if they had taken the time to point that out. we work also with the british takeover of the british newsroom at the moment. just move on from that, richard hause. >> it is happening. you have "the wall street journal,". >> cnn. >> "the washington post." >> yeah. >> cnn. and now the british are coming. the british are coming! prepare! >> all right. a lot more to cover this morning. ahead on "morning joe," former president trump once again floats the idea of jail time for his political opponents. we are going to play for you those new comments from the former president. president biden signs an executive order to tighten security at the southern border. members of his own party are divided on the policy. we will have the latest from capitol hill. former capitol police officer harry dunn defended democracy during the january 6th attack on the capitol. now he is launching a new effort to hold mega-extremists accountable. he joins us next with more on that. you're watching "morning joe." we are back in 90 seconds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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(♪♪) and enxtra for focus and clarity. centrum, powered by clinically studied ingredients. welcome back to "morning joe." 23 past the hour. president biden issued appear executive order yesterday that will shut down asylum requests at the southern border when crossings spike. the shutdown will go into effect immediately as department of homeland security official say encounters have reached 4,000 migrants daily. the border will only reopen once the number falls to 1500 migrants. speaking at the white house, the president said he would prefer to do this with congress but republicans blocked that effort. take a listen. >> republicans in congress not all of them walked away from. why? because donald trump told them to. he told the republicans and published widely by many of you he didn't want to fix the issue but use it to attack me. today, i'm moving past republican obstruction and using executive authorities available to me as president to do what i can on my own to address the border. frankly, i would have preferred to address this issue through bipartisan legislation because that is the only way to actually get the kind of system we have now that is broken fixed. for those who say the steps i've taken are too strict, i say to you to be patient and goodwill of the american people are going to be wearing thin right now. don't go nothing is not an option. we have to act. we must act consistent with both of our laws and our issues. >> he is hammered by both sides and these are the republicans who had the best deal they possibly could have gotten with one of the most conservative republicans in the senate putting it forward. but republicans, of course, have no credibility on this issue because they killed it for political reasons are attacking him. then the left also attacking biden for saying that it goes too far. i would just remind everybody that barack obama got hammered nonstop over his eight years for being the deporter in chief and i all i will say is that before donald trump became president, when barack obama left, illegal border crossings at the southern border were at a 50-year low. >> yeah. i'm just so glad he was able to get those words out and, you know, with all of the struggling and difficulty he is having -- >> all of the things -- >> i was on the edge of my seat. my god, what is going to happen? >> yeah, more help and weapons for ukraine plus getting in the middle of the peace process in the middle east. my goodness. >> he is so bumbling. joining us is alley. what is the goal here? criticism on both sides and not everybody is pleased. what is he doing? >> not everybody is pleased but i think what is so important what the president said in announcing this executive order they could have done this through congress. >> right. >> the action he took to stem the number of asylum claims happening at the southern border was a central tenant of that deal. it was one of the things that republicans who were at the negotiating table felt take they had really gotten a win on and it was a concession for democrats, especially when you look at the reaction from some progressives right now who are saying this goes way too far. of course, it's going to get tied up in courts but that's is what you get when you don't do this through a legislative route. the politics of this has never been far from the policy making in large part and why we did not end up with any kind of vote that succeeded on this bill in the first place in the senate. despite the fact that there was a blessing from senate republican leadership for senator langford to be in those negotiating rooms cobbling together this deal. again, we cannot underscore it enough. the reason it fell apart is because donald trump wanted to keep this as a live ball in the election. republicans fell in line behind that. we watched that in the vote totals. not just when this vote fell apart in february, but when it fell apart two weeks ago. senator chuck schumer doubled back to the table and trying to put this front and center to say democrats are trying to put forward something that could show forward progress on stemming the flow at the southern border. republicans, schumer was saying at the time, won't go along. two weeks along biden saying he is coming with this executive order saying he would it through congress but they blocked the order. politics are tied up in this and why the democrats are trying to put a spotlight on this you know that polling shows this is an issue that works well for republicans. democrats are trying to rest back some control of the news circle and infuse some fact into it which is to say they wanted to try to do something on this but they couldn't get it together in bipartisan fashion, again, because trump wanted to scuttle the deal. the politics are so central to this and why we will continue to see this as a live football as it always is. we have covered trump for a long time. every time he's in a tough spot on the campaign trail, this is his favorite issue, his pet child to go back to and try to stem the flow of anger from voters on to this issue. you look in arizona where there is a tight senate race. this is going to be one of the issues that could turn the senate map and we are talking tight margins as we always are so every race matters. arizona, montana, all of the rest of those. this is going to be keep. >> ali, republicans say too little, too late. the irony they had the legislation they asked for and turned their backs on it because donald trump told them to. progresses say they will mention and tie this up in court with appeal. is there a sense this will actually be implemented at some point that this executive order will take hold or does it feel like an election year attempt to get votes? >> right now, i don't get the sense that people are under the assumption this is going to be enacted immediately. the expectation was in my conversations with lawmakers both on the democratic side appreciate the move and others say it goes too far the assumption this was never come something that was put in practice and people would say what we have been saying if this was done through a legislative route you would have a harder time with the court challenges and not to say they wouldn't have come up but when things are done unilaterally out of the white house and you'll seal the legal challenges immediately. that is the expectation i've heard from lawmakers on the hill. some of whom on the democratic side didn't want to be near this and were critical of the white house and those folks allow that this is an issue that democrats need to deal with, need to talk about. it's going to be so central to the way that voters vote and make their decisions in november. >> nbc ali vitaly, thanks so much. the police officers who defended that building behind ali on january 6th are continuing their fight to protect democracy. harry dunn and daniel hodges and others have been fanning out across swing states recently to make the case for reelecting president biden in november and for stopping donald trump. today, coming off unsuccessful bid for congress, we saw him bring. in more than $5 not campaign, dunn has a new campaign. >> i was always ready for gameday. two teams lined up. it's us against them. you leave it all on the field. i'm harry dunn and on january 6th, the good guys won. my fellow officers and i fought those insurrectionists as a team and we had each other's back and we didn't do it for one person or one president. we did it for our country to make sure everyone's vote counted. that is what democracy is, that no one person's voice is greater than another. when i ran for congress, hundreds of thousands of regular people stood with me and we broke records in fund-raising but our system still allows the wealthiest americans area their corrupt superpacts to support-- we need to get money out of politics and defending our democracy for donald trump and mega-extremists. nobody said it would be easy but for our country, our team, we can't stop now. ♪♪ >> and former u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn joins us now. he is the author of the recent book "standing my ground." thank you for joining us. you ran for congress in maryland and fell short but had money left over from that campaign. tell us more about what you plan to do with it in this initiative. >> thanks for having me on. it's always good to be on with you all. yeah, we did fall short but the reason why i ran was to do everything i can to continue to fight for democracy, to fight to preserve our constitution and to fight to stop mega-extremists and stop donald trump. we raised millions of dollars in a short period of time. what that told me is that a lot of people across the country, that message of our democracy, the threat of losing it and the threats of being our last free and fair election and it resonates with a lot of people and worries a lot of people and on the top of people's minds. what we are going to do is continue to use that momentum, to continue to go across the country up and down the ballot and elect democrats and stop maga republicans. and also use the fight to continue to get big corporate money out of politics and support those candidates that really want to do that. >> so, harry, when you're out there running for congress and meeting a lot of people and talking to a lot of people, that aspect that you just mentioned, the threat to democracy, when you would talk to people about the threat to democracy, how many of the people you spoke to thought it was like real, that it could happen, as opposed to -- >> no. it worries a lot of people. it worries a lot of people. because like i said a lot of the issues that, you know, we talk about how to find roe v wade and loring inflation and as important as those things are, if we have a dictator in the white house, a dictator over democracy, what is the purpose? those issues really don't even matter because the dictator gets what he wants. so everybody is definitely worried. even people that voted against me are for one of my opponents tell me that they were definitely worried about our democracy. so i think it is very front and center with a lot of people. being out here on the campaign trail for president biden, i'm in pennsylvania right now, one of the things people are definitely worried about, it resonates with people and as people talked about, he is talking about retribution and imprisoning political opponents and people are worried about that. >> we keep hearing about a sense about amnesia, not just around president trump but around the events of january 6th. when you're out on the campaign trail speaking to voters in pennsylvania, how much are they thinking about it? how much do they remember what happened that day, how central is it in their thinking as they plan to go to the elections in november? >> one of the things that we have been hearing a lot is a lot of people say, democrats need to move on from january 6th but donald trump talks about it every day he holds a rally. he is front and center about -- donald trump is making it a campaign issue also. let's be completely clear about that. but people want to nope the truth. and there are voters out there that no matter what donald trump says, no matter what he does, will not stray from him, no matter what. that's fine. but the people that we are trying to reach, the independent voters, the republicans who don't have a political home, the people that believe that democracy is really on the ballot, people that believe in that, those are the people we are trying to reach out here now and, you know, i'm hoping to amplify that with democracy defenders pact.com. >> former u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> cia director bill burns is set to meet with mediators in doha. according to a source with knowledge of the negotiations who says the white house's middle east coordinator will travel to cairo for more talks. this comes just days after president biden publicly outlined a three-phased plan to release the remaining hostages and end the walker in gaza. the u.s. says it is still waiting for a response from hamas but israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu appears to be distancesing himself from the deal as members of his government are opposed to ending the war without eradicating hamas. president biden is now suggesting netanyahu may be prolonging the war for political reasons. he made the comment in an interview with "time" magazine." the interview was conducted on may 28th, but published yesterday. the president told the magazine, quote, there is every reason for people to draw that conclusion. it's an internal democracy debate that seems to have no consequence. and whether he would change his position or not, it's hard to say, but it has not been helpful. biden then walked back that claim when a reporter asked him about it yesterday. >> prime minister netanyahu is playing politics with the war. i don't think so. he is trying to work out the serious problem he has. >> all right. richard hause, let's talk about these negotiations. president biden, obviously, laid out a piece plan, a cease-fire plan that neither israeli nor hamas wants. and, yet, the negotiations continue with bill burns who is in your neighborhood, something serious is gong. what is the latest? >> yeah. it was last friday that the president talked about the three-phase plan. the whole way it was represented was that it was wired with the israelis and, to some extent, wired with hamas. over the last few days, we have seen it slightly come apart. the second and third phases were vague to begin with. so it's not exactly clear where things are. i think there's some chance still you could get a temporary pause again. but not an open-ended cease-fire, not yet israeli, you know, withdrawal from gaza. so my guess is, joe, whatever happens, the war at one level is going to continue for some time. i still don't see any of the fundamental questions answered who would provide, if you don't like hamas, who is going to provide security and governance. things are heating up in the north between israeli and hezbollah like hamas is backed by iran. the middle east is not poised, shall we say, on the brink of something positive. whatever the motives of netanyahu or anything else. i don't see things fundamentally coming together. >> there has been debate, not only here but also in israeli, obviously, about what netanyahu -- what is pushing him throughout this process. i will say, yesterday, we had former prime minister bennett on and if you listened to him, if you listen to reports out of israeli, if you look at the defections in the cabinet, we find ourselves in a position now where netanyahu can't take this deal and survive publicly. the criticism that is coming from former prime minister bennett, who many consider a possibility for a future prime minister, as well as members of his own cabinet, is that netanyahu is being indecisive and being too weak and not going into rafah. >> look. he is getting it from both sides. you're right. his finance minister threatened to bring down the government if he doesn't go in and they talk about finishing the job. the problem with their arguments that is nonsense. the idea that you can eliminate hamas and somehow a military solution is just a total misreading of the situation. that said, that is the politics b.b. netanyahu is dealing with. it's not clear to me he can -- the circle here. he has pressures not to compromise and has pressures to end the war to focus on the hostages. the president is leaning on him. people like me have argued the president is going over his head' appealing to the israeli public. b.b. netanyahu is trying to avoid a decision and in some ways the hallmark of his career is to avoid coming down clearly and hard in order to politically survive. >> avoiding a decision inherently prolongs the conflict and president biden was talked about this in "the time" magazine piece published yesterday. he said i don't want to what you in on it but lots of people can consider is that is what he is doing. that is what many in the white house believe that is clearly what the president thinks as well. how does that dynamic play here? that can't be received well by netanyahu. >> no. i also don't think it's a great idea to get publicly into the accusation game about what is motivating people. just focus. including joe biden, he has political pressures on him and they are difficult. focus on what is smart for the united states and what is smart for israeli. and that ought to bring about an end to the war to et go to hostages back and to come up with some plan how you're going to govern and secure gaza without hamas going forward and how you're going to deal with palestinian issues and slow settlements. the whole agenda out there. i think the president ought to keep the focus on that and through that influence the israeli debate. the biggest motive to put pressure on benjamin netanyahu is encourage and israeli debate to encourage netanyahu to do the right thing and what the united states ought to be doing here. president biden is in france this morning ahead of the normandy anniversary. we will discuss the significance of that world war ii battle and its impact on america's role on the global stage. 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soldiers, sailors, and airmen of the allied expeditionary force, you are about to embark on the great crusade we have driven this many months. the eyes of the world are upon you. the hopes and prayers of liberty loving people march with you. in company with our braves allies and brothers in arms in other fronts you will bring about the destruction of the german war machine and the impressed people of europe and security for ourselves in a free world. >> that is general dwight david eisenhower. his message to allied troops on the eve of what would be one of the most pivotal moments of the 20th century, the storming of the beaches of normandy that paved the way for liberation and france and all of europe eventually. president biden is in france set to deliver remarks in normandy tomorrow to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day. joining us is a historian and professor of law at columbia law school and the author of the new book "light of battle eisenhower d-day and the birth of the american super power." good morning. you have a lot of people very interested in this subject around the table so we will pass it around. but you got access to archival material that we haven't seen before. you feel like you know everything about d-day, especially if you're that interested in it and you read every book and watch all of the documentaries but tell us what new light you shed on this. >> i think the most important light i shed on it was the light on the commander, himself. you know? dwight eisenhower is this received figure who, you know, has this -- he is our grandfather in some ways and his presidency was certainly defined by being a trying to look boring. you know? the two million or more stories that come out of d-day. the one i think is the most dramatic and almost relatable to us today is the man of the middle who had to struggle through it all and to project optimism even though at all times he knew it was on the verge of collapse, that, you know, even on the eve of battle, his chief of staff predicted there is maybe a 50/50 chance of it succeeding and had it failed, what world would we live in today. >> that is a universe we don't want to contemplate at this point. >> absolutely. >> you talk in the book the planning of d-day which it's been well-documented. the fact they pulled it this all when you consider it all feels impossible. the head fake they convinced hitler they were coming somewhere they weren't. can you talk about the early stages of the idea and how outrageous it must have sounded to so many people? >> it sounded outrageous people and especially the british who at that particular time were the free enterprise in the world and the americans came in in 1942 here is how we are beat hitler and the british said, you're not. we can tell you all of the reasons you can't do that and why it's a and why we'll all be off if we start pursuing some british imperial interests in the mediterranean in the meantime. so the plan had been shelved for years, deferred, deferred. and finally at a conference in cairo, churchill and roosevelt meet for the first time and have a showdown as to whether finally launch this cross-channel invasion. and as a student of diplomatic history, i don't think i've ever read proceedings from a summita you have 60-year-old men on the verge of a fistfight on whether or not they should continue to pursue interests in the mediterranean or pursue this high-risk but high-reward operation in the english channel. and finally they decide to conduct operation overlord. but the first thing dwight eisenhower sees as the general and a student of military history is it's just way too small. this compromise is shortchanging what they need. and ultimately, he has to double the size of the invasion, which becomes probably one of the most sensitive diplomatic things he has to do, right as he gets the job, but he ultimately pulse it off, convinces the british to go along, to not only go along with the invasion, support it, but to expand it, and then, you know, basically spends the next five months getting every detail in place and hoping that everything that he does and that everyone he's leading to do will ultimately come off when the time has come. >> so pulling this book together, and the research that you did for the book and the research that you had access to, you've got dwight eisenhower, a career military man. he knows, from the moment that general gavin and the 82nd jump out at 1:00, 2:00 in the morning, he knows that when they land on "utah" and "omaha," there's going to be a terrific casualty rate. what impact did that have on him? >> it had an enormous impact, and this is one of the things that's admirable about him. the night before the invasion, june 5th, he gives the order to go, there are predictions, he's essentially betting on the weather at that point. and personally goes to see off the 101st airborne. and he's not even recognized right away. he goes up in a very unmarked car, just starts walking between these young men who are younger than his son, who is graduating from west point the next day. they're all painted up, like in war paint. they look like coal miners after a shift. and he walks from man to man, just, where are you from? you know, what do you like doing? do you like fishing? and you know, he makes a point, as he shakes each man's hand to look them in the eye, knowing, and he's been told, that anywhere from a quarter to half of them are going to be killed. and he knows that every other hand he's shaking is a young boy who's not going to have a future, but who's there to do what he's ordered them to do, but to ultimately, try to save the world. that's literally what was at stake. >> we all know the story that eisenhower prepared the letter if it had been a failure. what would have been plan "b." just say it hadn't worked, you said it was at best a 50/50 call, what would have happened the next day? what would roosevelt and eisenhower have recommended? >> well, with eisenhower would have been fired and we would be talking about him the way we talk about general mcclellan, probably, but the limits on allied strategy at that point would be pretty severe. essentially, the allies would have to return to the mediterranean and pursue great britain's essentially long-term strategy of expanding allied influence in great britain, using their superior air and naval power to try and strangle germany, but ultimately, leaving the hard the ground fighting in europe to the red army. you would have had a world where russia was essentially the only counterbalance to nazi germany, whether or not they would have cut a separate piece after seeing the allies fail so completely, i think, is not hard to imagine under the circumstances. and we would be living in just an entirely different world today, with probably the british empire still as the preeminent power in the world, russia, maybe even nazi germany or some version of nazi germany in place for many, many more years if not decades. >> katty, so fascinating to hear michel describe fight, the discussion between churchill and fdr in cairo over whether or not to do this and how to do it given that churchill had spent so many years writing literally love letters to fdr to court him, bring him into the war, and ultimately pearl harbor gets the united states into the war, but that relationship so central to the story. >> so central. and none other relationship between an american and brit was that between patton and field marshall montgomery, who was actually my husband's grandfather. and i wanted to ask you about that relationship, because i think when eisenhower appointed montgomery to be the architect of d-day, it didn't make patton very happy. actually, they hated each other. as tom would tell you, monty was a pain in the rear end. he was a martonnette type grandfather at best. but did that relationship, did the difficulties people have, patton and monty, make any impact on the planning for d-day. >> well, it certainly gave eisenhower plenty of reasons to smoke nor cigarettes. he got him to about three packs a day, but he didn't choose monty. he actually advocated for a different british general and monty was essentially foist upon him. and a moment ago, i spoke about eisenhower confronting the original d-day plan was essentially too small. and he needed to essentially double the plan, but to do that, he need british buy-in. and the british were in no mood to expand operation overlord. and after bernard montgomery is essentially appointed to lead initially, just the canadian and british forces, eisenhower invites him to his headquarters, right after christmas, and essentially gives him a big bear hug, and says, bernard montgomery, i want you to lead not just the british component of this operation, but the american one as well. eisenhower, mind you, did not have the authority to make that offer, but he did anyway, and bernard montgomery heartily agreed in being the architect of operation overlord and then at that point, eisenhower said, and don't you think this operation is just a bit too small, certainly for someone like bernard montgomery, and so bernard montgomery in essentially december, january of 1994, becomes the face of the expanded d-day operation, which is ultimately crucial to getting the british buy-in they need. and again, that sort of political touch that i think we really underestimate with someone like dwight eisenhower, ultimately ends upping crucial to success. >> 80 years ago right now, thinking about those young mens getting ready to jump out of those planes and go do what general eisenhower asked them to do. we'll have full coverage of the president's visit and speech there. the new visit titled "the light of battle; eisenhower, d-day." a new billboard add features former donald trump supporters who now say they will not vote for a convicted criminal. we'll speak to the head of the organization behind that campaign. plus, homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas will be our guest on the heels of president biden's executive order on the border. 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(vo) close in a matter of days. when life's doors open, we'll handle the house. biden is on the cover of "time" magazine. that's right. he's courting the youth vote where the kids hang. print media! next stop, zeppelins. the cover title is, "if he wins," same title they used for trump. next, they're planning a cover featuing rfk jr., "if he worms." it is brave. i believe it is brave for biden to do this cover, because he's side by side with his nemesis, time. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is wednesday, june 5th. jonathan lemire, katty kay, mike barnicle still with us. >> i've got to say, it's so interesting. >> what?! >> we found out, willie, on this d-day, this sacred day -- >> well, tomorrow. >> tomorrow. that katty is related -- >> wow! >> -- to field marshal bernard montgomery. >> that went by quickly and -- >> i feel like a lawyer that didn't ask all the questions i should have asked. before we go further, any further, anybody on this panel right now, you, any member of your family related to winston spencer churchill. anybody? >> no, sir. >> william the conquerer. queen elizabeth? mike barnicle? >> i think my mother maybe worked for her at one point, but that's about it. >> very good. >> katty, how could you have not let us know until now that you were related to monty? >> yeah, it's a little tenuous. it's actually my husband who is related to monty. >> by marriage. >> but i think that kind of counts, right? i get sort of vicarious. so tom's dad was monty's actual -- he was his stepson, but his dad had died in 1914, so monty had brought him up. >> of course, gliply. hold on one second, let me write that down. do you have pictures of churchill -- >> the glory day of britain's exploits in the 20th century. and tom's dad was working for monty when he was off fighting the germans and sent him off to the front line, and richard, tom's dad, had got caught by the germans, sent off to italy and put in a prison of war camp, and spent a year walking down italy to escape from the prisoner of war camp and finally got reunited with monty's and monty's first words to him were, where the hell have you been, after not having seen his son for a yore. in monty language, that means, i love you very much and really miss you and desperately worried about you. >> it warms my heart hearing you re-tell the story. willie, if you're keeping score at home. tom's biological father died at golipoli, perhaps the most failed -- i mean, churchill's low point, and just a tragedy of the 20th century for the british. and he was raised by monty. he also was coached at alabama by bear bryant and played table tennis after he got out of the military. >> pickleball. >> he ran. he ran a lot. and what tom will tell you even now is that life is like a box of chocolates. >> there he is. >> you never know what you're going to get. >> we're laughing with our author, michel perdy. we said, we're all very interested in this, we've read every book, we've all been to normandy every time. and he said, but that's a real flex, katty is related to monty. let's get to our top story this second hour of "morning joe." donald trump is again suggesting his political opponents could be jailed if he wins re-election. as retribution for last week's guilty verdict against him in new york city. in an interview with the far-right network news max last night, trump continued to claim he didn't receive a fair trial, complaining the jurors never smiled at him. he also threatened to prosecute his perceived foes, including former secretary of state, hillary clinton, who had nothing to do with the verdict against him. >> mother teresa couldn't get a fair trial here, i said that. and no, you can't. i never saw a glimmer of a smile from the jury. it was a trial that everybody said shouldn't have been brought, including bragg didn't want to bring it, nobody wanted to bring it, until i decided to run. and then was beating everybody by a lot, then was beating biden by a lot in the polls. but you know, it's a very terrible thing. it's a terrible precedent for our country. does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question. wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state -- think of it, the former secretary, but the president -- the president's wife, into jail. wouldn't that be a terrible thing? but they want to do it. so, you know, it's -- it's a terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to. and it's very possible that it's going to have to happen to them. >> so there we go once again, willie, donald trump threatening to jail his political opponents, as he has repeatedly over the past several months, several years. what's so interesting is that again, here's the big lie that donald trump tells about these prosecutions, all the prosecutions against him, willie, is that -- is willie there? >> he's here. >> we've got willie. >> give you a second! i've been talking about willie since 6:03. in 2019 on this show, we said if donald trump lost, he would run again for re-election to avoid all the prosecutions against him. when he ran, there was open discussion about what is donald trump running again? the answer was, because if he runs again, he will be able to say that all of these prosecutions that are coming are politically influenced. so, we all saw this coming. people all saw this coming. for him to now say, oh, they're only coming after me, for his allies to say, oh, they're only coming after him because he's running for president, actually has that backwards. he ran for president because he knew he was going to be prosecuted. >> yeah, that's the bet, if he wins, it all goes away. and it's actually outside of the case that was just decided with the 34 felony guilty verdicts against him last week. he successfully has used delay tactics, his team has, to probably get these pushed past the election. he thinks if he wins, merrick garland is out, he puts, i don't know, don jr. in as attorney general or something and everything goes away. and yonathan, axios has a little bit of reporting this morning, quoting steve bannon, take it for what it's worth, but a voice of a maga world saying that they're going to go after alvin bragg first, to try to put him in jail. a lot of people go, oh, it's donald trump popping off, it's what he does, he's calling into news max, but you have to take this stuff seriously given not only who he is, but who he's surrounded himself with. >> we've learned that when he makes a threat like this, we have to take it seriously. what's differently here. there's been republican anger for years now, they claim the witch hunts against donald trump. what's different about this verdict is how out in the open it is, and how they're not trying to be subtle. there's no euphemisms here. there's no sort of like, let's be clever. they're flat-out saying, we are going to go after those who have done this to donald trump. yes, steve bannon talking about alvin bragg. we have speaker johnson, the house speaker saying, they're going to look at the department of justice and try to defund a lot of what it can do as payback for the biden doj going after donald trump. now, of course, there's a limit to what they can actually do, but the threat is still there, and it erodes america's faith in our institutions. this has been one of the most dominant themes, mike, of the trump era, is going after, perceiving, you know, whether it's the fbi, or the media, and they have singled out those of us there as well, as targets for retribution. and trying to get americans to say, hey, look, they're not on our side, they're for them. and really vilify everyone, and it's putting us in a very dangerous place. >> the most dominant aspect , i would suggest. the most dominant aspect. and you know, largely, this is my personal view now, but at some point, americans have to ask themselves, what kind of a country do wasn't? and on this particular day, it's almost sacrilegious to be talking about what donald trump said and what he was -- what he means and what he's going to do. we just spoke to a man who just finished a book on eisenhower, talking about the night before d-day, when general eisenhower went through the 101st airborne, shaking hands, and he knew that every other hand he hook was a young 18, 19, or 20-year-old paratrooper who was going to die within 12 hours on the beaches in normandy. or in st. maraglis. somewhere in normandy. we were going to lose an american. where were they going? they were going to fight for democracy. all of these years later, democracy is again in peril. that's a fact. that's a fact, listening to donald trump, that's a fact we have to live with. and that's a fact that americans will have to make up their minds about. what kind of a country do we want going forward. >> john, we may hear some of that theme from president biden tomorrow at normandy when he delivers his address. he'll be there all week, as you reported yesterday, he'll be at bella woods later in the week, the world war site that is sake retroto the united states marine corps, he'll be there all week talking about the young men who frankly saved the world in those days, weeks, and months. but also about bringing it to today and the threats of democracy here. >> as mike said, it's hard not to almost be emotional thinking about the scene with eisenhower talking to those paratroopers. his remarks tomorrow, i'm told, will be relatively brief. he'll be a one of a number of world leaders that will speak on the d-day address. it will be the next day where he delivers a major address, talking about, yes, the sacrifices of 80 years ago, that helped save the world, but connecting it to today. the battle we're seeing in ukraine, but also just the need to affirm and rebuild democracies across the globe. and i'm told the odds are against him invoking donald trump by name. but trump will shadow this speech, as he will draw an implicit contrast to the future that trump would bring versus the one that he would, one with allies, one with defending democracy. we certainly know donald trump would take a very different approach to the ukraine war, were he to be returned to office. we know he almost pulled out of nato a few years ago on the eve of going to helsinki and siding with putin over his own government. we're going to hear that in grand terms, joe, from president biden in what aids tell me will be one of the most important speeches he delivers this year. one that will not on its surface be a campaign speech, but is going to lay out some of the most important themes of the election ahead. >> yeah. and katty, we just talk about the choices, mike talking about the choices, we talk about the choices, we hear what he said about hillary clinton, you have jonathan lemire talking about nato. of course, donald trump trying to undermine nato. said he wanted to undermine nato. said a couple of months ago that he encouraged vladimir putin, he would encourage vladimir putin to invade nato countries, if they didn't have this sort of defense structure that he wants them to have. of course, he talked about putting hillary clinton in jail, throwing political opponents in jail. his people have talked about throwing us in jail, throwing people that run this show in jail. they've talked about throwing media companies in jail that are insufficiently loyal. he talks about executing chairmans of the joint chiefs of staff who are insufficiently loyal toterminating the constitution. he talks about s.e.a.l. team 6 to execute political opponents and says he would be immune from that. he actually had his lawyers argue that in court. go through -- you can go through all of it. and it is -- it's extraordinary. this is -- it's extraordinary that this man is talking like an autocrat, talking like putin, and right now, this race is too close to call. >> and i think it's really worth pointing out the difference between trump in 2020 and trump in 2020 -- so trump in 2024 and trump in 2016, is that this time around, his team and his campaign are much more focused on how they would do exactly the kinds of things that you've just spoken about, joe. they have -- they have gone to the think tanks, they've drawn up the policy papers, they've dug into the workings of the american government to see how they could effectively take control of the fcc, of the doj, use the irs against political opponents of theirs. they've been very honest about the idea of using this second administration for retribution against those people who have countered donald trump. and it's not -- i think it's sometimes easier with donald trump, because we hear so many things that are out of the norm and think, oh, well, it's just another thing that donald trump says. but behind donald trump in 2024, is a whole infrastructure of people putting in place the plans to follow up with the kinds of things that donald trump is saying out on the campaign trail. they didn't manage to do much of it 2016, because they weren't prepared. this time around, they're making sure that they are prepared. >> so the group, republican voters against trump, is launching a new billboard ad campaign, looking to persuade moderate republicans and republican-leaning voters in four swing states. the billboards feature former trump voters, who now say they won't vote for him in the wake of his conviction last week in his new york city criminal trial. let's bring in the executive director of republican voters against trump, sarah longwell, he's also a bulwark, and host of the focus group podcast. sara, thank you so much for joining us. so tell us more about this campaign and what you're hearing from republican voters. >> well, the question after the conviction, the political question, is will voters care? and from our perspective, you have to help make them care, right? the republicans are out there right now, and they are building their own narrative, building their own echo chamber. they are all singing from the same song cheat, that this was rigged, that we have a two-tier justice system, but we have to go on offense right now and make sure that voters understand how unique, how historically unique in a desperately dark way it is to have a convicted felony running for president. and so our program republican voters against trump, it hinges on a key theory around permission structures, which is, you need credible messengers to speak to these swing voters. and so, we have hundreds of people who have voted for trump in the past, many of them have voted for him past, who are explaining and there's testimonials all over our website, explaining why they won't vote for trump again. but after the conviction, we wanted to make sure that it stuck with people. we have watched donald trump, extraordinary things have happened. like his own vice president, not endorsing him. and yet, it kind of just rolls off of voters' minds, you know, trump's been around for a long time, we have two functional incumbents. and that creates a dynamic where voters just aren't as tuned in, in ways that they might have. so you have to go offense. you have to have strong, affirmative messaging to make sure that things stick in the mind of voters. you can't just count on the idea that voters are going to hear "conviction" and walk we. you have to help them understand why this is so extraordinary, why what he did was wrong and why he's too dangerous to be in the white house again? >> so sarah, to that point about the difficulty in making things stick to trump, we also live in a world where everyone's attention span a few fleeting moments and we move on to the next thing. it's not just a conviction, it's a conviction that happened at the end of may, here we are in the first few days of june, we still have five months to the election. how do you get it to stay in the forefront of voters' minds, not just today, but heading into the ballot box. >> this is one of the ways that democrats have to figure out how they're going to do their messaging strategy. sometimes they get fractured around messaging. is so part of this is to making sure acknowledging donald trump's conviction is a regular feature in the way that democrats are talking about him. and not just joe biden, joe biden as a messenger has a particular role, i think, to explain to the country, what he's going to do over the next four years. but democrats need an army of surrogates who are out there making an affirmative case, going on offense, going on attack against donald trump, making sure the country understands that he's a convicted felony. and that he's a convicted -- been convicted of sexual assault, and that he's been convicted for, you know, the things that he did with the trump org, and reminding people of the salience of january 6th. you know, it is really -- this is going to be a choice about who people dislike more. who's the lesser of two evils. and you've got to help people understand that trump is the greater of the evils. >> and just to get that list complete liable of sexual abuse, defamation, and massive fraud, and then a convicted felon, who is openly hell bent on revenge. that's what we're dealing with. that's what voters have to consider. executive order, republican voters against trump, sarah longwell, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> thank you. okay, hunter biden's federal gun trial will resume in a delaware courtroom later this morning. yesterday, prosecutors used their opening remarks to tell the jury the president's son was a high-functioning drug addict who lied to his friends and family. the defense offered a counternarrative about hunter biden painting him as a man in recovery who was rushed into the firearm purchase at the center of the case against him and did not knowingly lie on the form. the jury also heard testimony from the prosecution's first witness, fbi special agent, erica jenson, whose testimony assisted prosecutors in introducing evidence, including text messages, bank records, and hunter biden's laptop. joining us now, u.s. national editor at "the financial times," ed loose. your new column posted moments ago for "ft" entitled "what hunter biden tells about america," and in it you write, in quote, the trump/biden cases is a tale of two parties. biden could have spared his son his judicial ordeal by pardoning him, a tool that trump used for political associates who were jailed. if the president is rigging the system, he has a funny way of showing it. hunter biden may or may not merit jail time, ditto for trump in his hush money case, but these are mere side shows. one of america's potential presidents respects the rule of law. the other does not. everything else pales in comparison. and i think that's why "the wall street journal" article this morning was so frustrating. because of the difference between these two candidates. >> and the moral equivalence. we talk about, you can look at that article versus donald trump forgetting that world war ii existed, that barack obama is not still president, et cetera, et cetera. and you can do the false moral equivocation between january 6th, the riots, trump's role in that, and joe biden forgiving student loan debt. we get all of these false comparisons. and i've got to say, one of the most maddening has been donald trump stealing nuclear secrets versus hunter biden. and whatever republicans decide at the time is the great risk to america's national security. >> the key point here is america's system is working. it's in tact. both donald trump last week and hunter biden in wilmington for the next couple of weeks are receiving trial by jury, due process of the law. they'll have the right of appeal. i have no idea whether hunter biden will be convicted or acquitted. but i do know that he has two cases against him. the second of which, the tax one, starts on september the 5th, at the beginning of the general election, in california. biden could at any point have stopped this from happening. he's not, he's not interfering. there is no rigging coming from this president. where it's coming from is the supreme court. we're going to get them later this month, presumably later this month. they might prevaricate even longer. but later this month, finally coming down with their ruling on what should have been an open and shut case about whether the president has immunity for whatever he does in office. thereby ensuring trump will not be held accountable for january 6th in court, before november the 5th. that is -- that's the real story going on here. the trial's in wilmington. you know, i have no great insights into what's going to happen there, but the trial in wilmington is the rule of law taking its normal course, as was the case in new york last week. what's happening in the supreme court is judicial interference in the political process. >> so, ed, you have the gift of being able to look at america and american politics from the distance created by your birth. you're not from here, okay? you weren't born here. so when you look at it, and you write about it, as you did today, and you mention the supreme court slowing things down, making it almost impossible for a trial in the january 6th or the papers kept at mar-a-lago, a trial for most of things, ever happening prior to election, and hunter biden on trial today in wilmington. what's your sense of what would happen to the system, to the rule of law, if hunter biden is acquitted and what's your sense of what other countries, other nations, think and view this, when they look at what's happening in america. >> that's a great question, mike. it is a remarkable moment that we're having, you know, the first conviction of a former president, and the first trial of the child of a sitting president happening within the space of a few days of each other. i have no doubt that if hunter biden is convicted, there's not going to be an uproar on the democratic side. there isn't going to be accusations of rigged justice. even though that the judge is trump appointed, there's no reason to believe that that judge, you know, is a hatchet job kind of judge. if, however, hunter biden is acquitted, all conspiratorial hell will break loose. i have no doubt about that. you mentioned the other trump trial that isn't going to happen. the one in florida, the federal trial that eileen connor is in charge of. she is now -- she's finding extraordinary time-delaying tactics, ones that nobody had ever thought of. the latest is whether the special prosecutor, smith, was unconstitutionally appointed. and she's going to hear arguments about that. she is finding any and every excuse, including invented ones, not to hear this case. it's an extraordinary example of justice delayed being justice denied. and i think that's what foreigners are kind of gobsmacked by when they watch this. >> yeah. it is gobsmacking. you bring up judge aileen canon in florida on the documents case, which is really one of the most serious cases against donald trump, and resounding, as well, given all of the documents were hidden at mar-a-lago, and then he tried to hide them again, as the government was trying to get them back. and the -- it is frustrating to see what is happening. it is also the judge that we got. the judge that is in this case, the judge that was given this case. and that is the way it goes. you will not hear here, unlike on fox news, that this is a weaponized justice department. you will not hear here, unlike on fox news, that somehow, you know, joe biden's up to this. or donald trump is up to this. and somehow maybe he's pulling the strings here. you will not hear that, because this is the judge we got, and that's the way it goes with the rule of law. like it or not. the new piece online for now for the "financial times," u.s. national editor at the ft, ed luce, thank you very much. and still ahead on "morning joe," president biden has signed a new captured aimed at deterring illegal crossings along the southern border. but homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas says it's not enough and congress still needs to take action. he joins us with more on that. 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>> mika, good morning and thank you for having me. the goal here is to reduce the number of people who come to the southern border of the united states and cross illegally. our goal is to drive people who seek and need humanitarian relief into the lawful, safe, and orderly bathes that we have built. and so individuals who arrive at our border and cross illegally will be barred from asylum, with exceptions. however, 1,400 people who have made appointments through our cbp-1 app will be able to seek asylum in the united states through our ports of entry. individuals who have accessed our parole program for cubans, haitians, nicaraguans and venezuelans will be able to access asylum relief in the united states. we have built an unprecedented number of lawful pathways, but we are going to secure our border and reduce the number of people who are encountered at it. >> mr. secretary, good morning. i think the question for a lot of people, not just conservative s here is what took so long to get to this place. we can go well before the legislation, that a group of senators, bipartisan group of senators work hard to present. and then, of course, republicans in the congress turn their backs on it, on the instruction of donald trump. but going back even further than that, a system that allows people to show up at the border, claim asylum, sometimes legitimately, sometimes not, and move into the country, because they know it's going to take years for their asylum hearing to come up. why did it take so long to get to this place, which does seem rationale to many people? >> well, two points. first of all, you have seized accurately upon the fundamental problem with our asylum system, that it takes years and years. and we need congress to fix it, only congress can provide the enduring solution, which is legislation. but let's take a look at the chronology. on day one of his administration, the president presented congress with a comprehensive legislation to fix our broken immigration system. since then and up until may of last year, we have been operating under the public health order of title 42. when that order was lifted in may of last year, we drove the numbers down, despite some predictions that pandemonium would ensue. shortly thereafter, the president implored congress to fund this department and other departments that administer our immigration laws, as we need to be resourced. he in august submitted a supplemental funding package. then again in october, he submitted another supplemental funding package. and neither was picked up by congress, most regrettably, most unfortunately. bethen went into an arduous, hard-working process to develop bipartisan senate legislation that would have fundamentally fixed our asylum system and once and for all properly resourced this department and the departments of justice and state. twice congress failed to pass that legislation, so the president took this executive action within his lawful authorities. >> mr. secretary, good morning. you just outlined the domestic political challenges with what's happening at the border, but the united states is not alone in this. there's also mexico and they just had a new election. can you tell us the relationship and the guidelines you're going to use as you approach the new administration there. are you hopeful they will cooperate? >> we have built a very strong and productive partnership with mexico, with president lopez obrador. we expect that strong and productive partnership to continue under the presidency of claudia sheinbaum. and this challenge of migration is a regional challenge and it requires regional solutions. not just in partnership with mexico, but in partnership with other countries such as costa rica, panama, guatemala, ecuador and the like. we are experiencing not just at the southern border, but throughout our hemisphere and around the world, an unprecedented level of migration. an unprecedented number of displaced people. and regional challenges require regional solutions. >> homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. all right, coming up, our next guest set out on a cross-country journey asking americans of different backgrounds the question, what binds us together? he will join us with what he learned, straight ahead on "morning joe." he learned, straight ahead on "morning joe." i was stuck. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion, as these may be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. high blood sugar, which can lead to coma or death, weight gain, and high cholesterol may occur. movement dysfunction and restlessness are common side effects. stomach and sleep issues, dizziness, increased appetite, and fatigue are also common. side effects may not appear for several weeks. i didn't have to change my treatment. i just gave it a lift. ask about vraylar and learn how abbvie could help you save. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪) it is $44 past the hour. live look at new york city. welcome back to "morning joe." how do we hold the country together and keep democracy from dying? author and bloomberg opinion columnist, frank berry, embarked on an epic quest to find out. in his new book, "back roads and better angels," frank chronicles his cross-country adventure with his wife, laurel. the pair set out in their winnebago on their nationwide trek, following the path known as the lincoln highway. they hit the road on september 11th, 2020, in new york city with the goal of reaching san francisco by election day of that year. in the book, frank describes the people they met in big cities and small towns from all different types of backgrounds, races, religions, learning what binds us together at a time when the country appears to be so divided. and frank joins us now. thank you so much for coming on the show and i'm curious what inspired this journey and what you found out. >> well, when we saw the country coming apart at its seams, we wanted to find a different way into the story. and i stumbled across the lincoln highway, which is the first road to connect the two coasts, and i wanted to kind of get out of the 24-hour news cycle and step back from the campaign of trump and biden and all the headlines. and i talked with people about national issues, but from a much more local and personal perspective and what better way to talk about or to explore what holds the country than using lincoln as our north store in the journey. >> and i don't think a lot of people realize, the lincoln highway is a real thing. from times square to the golden gate bridge. >> exactly. >> still there. >> dedicated 1913. not an actual highway. a lot of dirt road, which we traveled on with the winnebago. it zig zags all the way across the country,. >> i believe it. so we were talking in the break a little bit about how you felt after the two months. you might have gone in with a perception of where we were as a country, and we were 2020, september, think about everything that was happening in this country, and there is a perception that we are deeply divided. in many ways we are. if you look at social media or have the tv on all the time, perhaps that is exaggerated. the extent to which we're dwi and yelling at each other. what'd you find road? >> people were very frustrated by the deep divisions in the country. but there was also a faith in the country, an optimism that we would overcome it. and people weren't always sure how. but there was this sense of resilience. and one of the things that i do in the book is dig into the history that we pass along the lincoln highway. and so much of that is a testament to the country's resilience. >> frank, once you get past the major markets like new york, chicago, obviously, and you get out in the country, i'm wondering, given what's happened to local news and local newspapers, the disappearance of them, and more and more people relying on these for news and snippets of news, what impact do you think that has had on the country? >> it's had a big impact and i think a very negative impact. the old tip o'neill line that all politics is local is gone. all politics is national. and that's feeding a lot of pessimism that people feel around politics. >> frank, obviously, don't give us the whole book, but an example or two to whet our appetites a couple of the characters that you met along the way? >> in south bend, indiana, i met with a pro-choice volunteer at a local abortion clinic, very passionately pro-choice, opening an abortion clinic in rural or in northwest india was not easy, faced lots of opposition. she decided to invite some of the opposition over to her house for conversation. and after a very nice conversation, they realized they're not going to agree on anything, they're not going to change anyone's mind, but they found coming out of that they really liked each other and began building a relationship and wrote an article about it for the local paper, the south bend tribune. what they said was, it's really important to prioritize the relationship over the message. and if we can do that, we can have these arguments and these disagreements without feeling like we need to tear each other apart. without feeling like the other side is wrong. >> shelby county, ohio, one of the characters in your book, a farmer of corn, soybeans, and cattle and i want to read a quote from him when you asked him what binds our country together. he'd been through a lot. he says, we're good people, we believe in the constitution, we believe in the republic, we believe in our neighbors. and if we take that strength together, we can do anything in america. so what is his story? >> his story is, he was a lifelong operative in local republican politics, voted for trump in 2016, had a falling out with trump and became disillusioned with what trump represented for the party. so he started to become an independent. and in the process, something happened that he didn't expect, which is, he lost all of his friends. and that was really heartbreaking to hear that so many people were willing to walk away from those relationships, because he decided that his politics were a little bit different. and we heard a version of that from other people along the lincoln highway, too. another fellow we met said he had been involved in local republican politics his whole life and a friend of too. and a friend of his, a local democratic party politics and they were out for a beer the night before and the guy said, you know, it's not fun anymore. we can't have these conversations without somebody angry and walking away and never wanting to talk to the other side. >> what is the thread from all the people you talked to for this book that does give them optimism, that leads somebody like chris gibbs to say we can do anything together. >> lincoln is so important to guiding us in ways to hold the country together, and what lincoln said to hold the country together was the phrase, all men are created equal. we have been talking about what that means, and as long as we can have those arguments and discussions and still accept the outcome of the arguments every two and four years, which we call elections, then we can keep the country together. we can keep american democracy strong, but once we cross over a red line and refuse to accept the will of the majority gets to rule and we turn to political violence substituting our own will for the will of the people, then we have a real problem. i do think people had faith in their neighbors, as chris said, and the country's ability to get through it. >> the book is called "back roads and better angels." a great trip. >> i highly recommend traveling cross-country. >> thank you for being here, and congrats, again. still ahead, elizabeth warren and martin henrik of new mexico will join us. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. and it could strike at any time. think you're not at risk? 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"the wall street journal" is out with a new piece entitled "behind closed doors, biden shows signs of slipping." essentially, only on the record republican critics in the article, the one is former speaker kevin mccarthy. when biden was negotiating with republicans to lift the debt ceiling his demeanor and command of the details seemed to shift from one day to the next -- >> and they also quoted mike johnson, people around mike johnson and admit that this was basically house republicans whacking -- >> why didn't they just ask marjorie taylor greene to -- >> yeah. >> and lauren boebert. >> yeah, it's shocking, especially when you see what kevin mccarthy has said repeatedly, publicly and behind the scenes about biden on the same days when they were tkpwroerb negotiating. >> it's interesting. that's all i will say. that flies in the face of what mccarthy said about biden's effectiveness in the past. mccarthy mocked biden's age and mental acuity in public -- >> in public, like in this article. >> while privately telling allies he found the president sharp in their conversations, and this from "the new york times," privately mr. mccarthy told allies he found mr. biden to be mentally sharp in meetings. this from the hill, very professional and very smart and very tough at the same time mccarthy told reporters at the capitol of his talks with biden. >> i can go on and on and on about things what mccarthy said about biden when they were negotiating, and i can tell you what the french delegation told me who were part of the negotiations that macron came out and said, wow, tougher than we expected. biden was pressing so hard. i can tell you the same thing about middle eastern leaders that i talk to, and some are suggesting that he -- he -- you know is a bit too tough in negotiations and united states throws their weight around a little too much. what i find so shocking about this article is, they go to kevin mccarthy as their main source, and other republicans, and mike johnson who got to power based on the big lie, and they are using people around johnson and kevin mccarthy to do this -- this trump hit piece on joe biden, but, again, here's the quote. kevin mccarthy mocked biden's age and mental acuity in public. this is from politico last year. while privately telling allies that in private he found the president to be sharp and substantive. i talked to you about my meetings with the president over the past year, willie, and talked to mike and mika about it, and i said in real time the guy -- the guy -- you see, both of those guys right there, i have spent time with both of those guys privately, and i spent time with biden and trump privately and every house speaker over the past 30 years, and joe biden, i'm not just -- it's just not close. if you -- talking about international affairs, and if you want to talk about how to get bipartisan legislation, joe biden is light-years ahead of all of them and the fact that the "wall street journal" knew these quotes were out there, and it's editors -- i'm not looking at the reporter, and everybody flames the reporter but the editors saw that kevin mccarthy had a habit of saying one thing in public, lying in public, and then privately telling his aides just the opposite. that biden was sharp, that he was cojent and substantive. >> he went out and told the reporters after the meeting that the meeting was the best yet, and we are making progress and i will talk to joe biden every day, very professional, very smart, very tough. i don't even know what to say. i really don't even know what to say here. >> well, let's begin with the fact the joe biden is 81 years old, and donald trump will be 78 next week, so not much younger. does he move a little slower and speak a little softer than 15 years ago? >> sure does. >> sure does. this has the feeling of trumpers. also, the point of notes as richard haus will tell you, presidents use notes in meetings and that's not unusual, and they could have a sheet or cards with them, and donald trump has a person with a printer that follows him, so he often that h rattles off. will "the wall street journal" have mental acuity, and you can do an entire series of articles on somebody that doesn't seem to have it altogether. mike barnicle, you are very plugged into the white house. what is the early reaction to this piece? >> i can't say it on the air. just can't say it on the air, what the reaction is, actually. i am sort of actually embarrassed for the "wall street journal" with this piece. there's one, at least to me and others, richard, anybody that has spent anytime at all, joe, mika, anybody -- you, maybe who has spent anytime at all with joe biden, he knows one thing about joe biden above all else, he's a talker. he's a talker. here's the tell in this piece, with ukraine running out of munitions demanded by republicans, and the republican moved so slowly appeared the cabinet room to meet the nearly two dozen congressional leaders that it took about ten minutes to begin, some people recalled. i am amazed it doesn't take them an hour. everyone he meets, he has everybody to talk about with, everybody. this was a classic, classic hit piece. probably ordered up by the fifth time rupert murdoch over the weekend, you know. this piece is so tilted and off the mark. is he 81 years old? yes. is he a bit slower in terms to his reaction to some things? probably. i don't know. you don't know. and i have been with people who have been with him in the situation room where he literally goes around the globe on the chart in the situation room -- i have never been in there, but electronically, he points out the weaknesses and the strength of the united states' relationships of each country he's talking about with no notes, no notes. he gets up and has to deal with netanyahu, with ukraine, and this piece is outrageous. >> mike, it's not that complicated. it's just not -- you know, we don't have to talk to anybody, richard, but the person they quote, kevin mccarthy, who was the source? again, kevin mccarthy, who is on actually -- sort of a pr tour right now to clean up the fact -- and politico has written a story about this, the fact that he lies and he bounces back and forth and he's trying to go on a pr tour. we don't have to ask world leaders, but feel free to jump in. let's talk to the guy who is the source of the story and quoted. mccarthy mocked biden's acuity, and he called him very professional and smart and very tough, and the same meaning -- basing this story on kevin mccarthy's lies. which it's in the press. there's a mountain of quotes from kevin mccarthy and people around kevin mccarthy saying that biden is sharp. he's mentally sharp, privately. yeah, so go ahead and talk about -- i have talked to world leaders, and, again, it's just not complicated. they went to a guy who has admitted that he lies in public and that privately biden is very sharp. >> joe, two republican speakers have been up for recall in the recent past. kevin mccarthy and mike johnson. democrats saved mike johnson with their votes. they refused to save kevin mccarthy when he was up, and he's out. why? because it was universal, even from republicans and democrats, kevin mccarthy is a liar. that's why he didn't get the support. >> it's also really odd that this story comes out now. think about the last week, joe biden has come forward with three major policies, a cease-fire initiative in the middle east, a new weapons targeting policy for ukraine and an entirely different policy on the border. three enormous issues, three new policies. you may like the policies, you may not, but this is clearly a president who is driving an agenda. >> so we can quote some of the white house response. white house communications director tweeted last night, it's a complete and utter editorial fail. and andrew bates is quoted repeatedly in the story, denning a lot of it. and one of those cited in the piece was about policy, and an aide said what the president said was about the policy -- they may have disagreed with the policy but the president did accurately say what the administration wanted. this is a story line, of course, that deeply upsets the white house, and polls suggest americans are concerned about the president's age. that's simply true. they do feel, of course, and they point to the white house physical and physician every year and says he's up for the job. it's a story line that faded some after a few months, after the state of the union where he delivered some vigorous moments, and he sits for fewer interviews than his predecessor, and it's true americans don't hear him unscripted, and all that is accurate, and we have shown has trump is showing signs of age and trump is reeling after the verdict, and we will wait to see how that will play out, and it's republicans trying to revive what they think could be an effective story line. >> and perhaps, one white house response and bates is hinting to in the piece, we have not seen much of the unscripted joe biden and will we see that pick up as the campaign gets hotter, and we would like to see him doing more interviews, certainly with us journalists, and he has not done many of. the state of the union put these stories to rest for a little while, and when he has been out there he performed well when he has had the big moments. there has been a sense that the campaign has tried to corral joe biden and not give him perform with the journalists, and when he's out there doing the kinds of policies and implementing as we have been hearing on energy and the border, then actually that seems to be to his benefit. more joe biden and not less may be a strategy that helps them. coming up, joe biden just rolled out a policy on securing the border, and we will talk to ali vitali about what is in the new border policy when "morning joe" comes right back. with so many choices on booking.com there are so many tina feys i could be. so i hired body doubles. mountain climbing tina at a cabin. or tree climbing tina at a beach resort. nice! booking.com booking.yeah. 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because donald trump told them to. he told the republicans it was published widely by many of you, he didn't want to fix the issue but wanted to use it to attack me. today i am using executive authorities available to me as president to do what i can on my own to address the border. frankly, i would have preferred to address this through bipartisan legislation because that's the only way to get the kind of system we have now that is broken fixed. for those that say the steps i have taken are too strict, i say to you be patient and the goodwill of the american people is wearing thin now and doing nothing is not an option. we must act consistent with the law and our values. >> he's being hammered from both sides. the republicans had the best deal they could have possibly gotten with one of the most conservative republicans in the senate putting it forward, and the republicans have no credibility on this issue because they killed it for political reasons and are attacking him, and the left attacking him, and saying it goes too far. i have to remind everybody, barack obama got hammered nonstop for eight years for being the deporter in chief. when barack obama left illegal boarding crossings at the southern border were at a 50 year low. >> i was so glad that he was able to get the words out, with all the struggling according to kevin mccarthy -- i was on the edge of my seat, my gosh, what is going on happen? >> yeah, plus getting to the middle of the peace process in the middle east. my goodness. >> he's just so bumbling. >> yeah. >> joining us, ali vitali. what is the president's goal here, criticism from both sides on this. not everybody is pleased. what is he doing? >> not everybody is pleased but what is so important in what the president said in announcing the executive order is they could have done this through congress, and trying to stem the number of asylum claims at the border was one of the things that republicans who were at the negotiating table felt they really had gotten a win on and it was a concession for democrats, especially when you look at the reaction from some progressives right now that say it's going way too far, and that's what you get when you don't do it through a legislative route. the politics of this has never been far from the policy making and in large part that's why we didn't end up with a vote that succeeded on this bill in the senate, despite the fact that there was a blessing for senator langford to be in the negotiating room putting together this deal. the reason it fell apart is because donald trump wanted to keep this as a live ball in the election. republicans fell in line behind that, and we watched that in the vote totals, not just when it fell apart in february but when it fell apart two weeks ago. chuck schumer said republicans were trying to put something together, republicans, schumer was saying at the time, wouldn't go along and then you have biden coming along with the executive order saying he would have done it through congress but they were blocking him from doing so. election year politics is so shining the light on this, and polling shows this is an issue that works well for republicans. democrats are trying to rest back some of the news cycle and infuse fact into it, which is to say they wanted to do something on this but couldn't get it together in bipartisan fashion again because trump wanted to scuttle the deal. the politics are so subtle to this, and that's why we will see this continue as a live football. every time trump is in a tough spot on the campaign trail, this is his favorite issue, his pet child to go back to and try and stem the flow of anger from voters on to this issue. you look in places like arizona where there's a tight senate race, and this is going to be one of the issues that could turn the senate map, and we are talking about tight margins, as we always are. this is going to be key. coming up, our next guest is a 15-year veteran of the capitol police force. we will speak with harry dunn that helped to beat back the insurrection on january 6th. ♪ ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." some of the police officers who defended the united states capitol on january 6th are continuing their fight to protect democracy. harry dunn and daniel hodges have been fanning out across swing states recently to make the case for re-electing president biden in november and for stopping donald trump. today coming off a unsuccessful bid for congress, we saw him bring in more than $5 million for the campaign. dunn is launching dunn's democracy defenders. >> i was always ready for game day. two teams lined up. it's us against them. you leave it all on the field. i'm harry dunn, and on january 6th, the good guys won. my fellow officers and i fought off the insurrectionists as a team and we had each other's back, and we didn't do it for one person or one president. we did it for our country to make sure everyone's vote counted. that's what democracy is, that no one person's voice is greater than another. when i ran for congress, hundreds of thousands of people stood with me and broke records in fundraising, our our system still allows the wealthiest americans and their super packs to support insurrectionists and drown our our voices. we need to change that. we need to defend our democracy from donald trump and maga extremists. nobody said it would be easy, but for our country, for our team, we can't stop now. >> former u.s. capitol police officer, harry dunn, joins us now and is author of the recent book "standing my ground." you ran for congress in the state of maryland, and fell a little short there but did have money leftover from that campaign. tell us with what you plan to do with it in this initiative? >> thank you for having me on. it's always good to be on with you all. we did fall short, but the reason i ran was to do everything i can do is to continue to fight for democracy and to fight the preserve the constitution and to fight to stop the maga extremist and stop donald trump at the top. we did raise a lot of money and what that told me, people across the country, the threat of losing democracy and this being the potential last free election, it worries a lot of people and is at the top of lot of peoples' minds, so what we are going to do is continue to use that momentum, go across the country, up and down the palate, and fight maga republicans, and we are going to support the candidates that really want to do that. >> harry, when you are out there, when you are out there running for congress and meet meeting a lot of people and talking to a lot of people, and that threat to democracy, when you would talk to people about the threat of democracy, how many people that you spoke to thought it was real, that it could happen opposed to -- >> yeah, no, it worries a lot of people. it worries a lot of people. like i say, a lot of the issues where we talk about codifying roe v. wade and inflation, and all of those things, as important as they are, if we have a dictator in the white house, a dictator over democracy, what is the purpose? those issues don't even matter because the dictator gets what he wants. everybody is definitely worried. even people that voted against me and said they were worried about democracy, and it's center with a lot of people. and being out here on the campaign trail for president biden, and i am in pennsylvania right now, and people are definitely worried about it. it resonates with people, and as people talked about, he's talking about retribution and imprisoning his political opponents, and people are worried about that. coming up, new mexico dem, heartin heinrich joins us to talk about the balance of power on capitol hill. we will be back with that and much more on "morning joe." a better way to do things. and some people... don't. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you're in good hands with allstate. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid before it begins. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. sup? 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[ engine revving ] [ laughing ] the dodge hornet r/t. the totally torqued-out crossover. cia director, bill burns, is set to meet with qatari leaders to discuss a cease-fire the israel-hamas war. that's according to the source that says the white house middle east coordinator will travel to cairo for more talks, and this comes after president biden outlined a three-phrase plan to release the hostages and end the war in gaza. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu appears to be distancing himself from the deal as many members of his government are opposed to ending the war without eradicating hamas. and an interview for "time" magazine was published yesterday. he said, quote, there's every reason for people to draw that conclusion. it's an internal domestic debate that seems to have no consequence. whether he would change his position or not, it's hard to say but it has not been helpful. biden then walked back that claim when a reporter asked him about it yesterday. >> reporter: is prime minister netanyahu playing politics with the war? >> i don't think so. he's trying to work out a serious problem he has. thank you. >> all right. so richard haus, let's talk about the negotiations. president biden obviously laid out a peace plan, a cease-fire plan that neither israel nor hamas wants, and yet the negotiations continue. if bill burns is in your neighborhood, something serious is going on. what is the latest? >> it was last friday that the president talked about the three-phase plan. the whole way it was represented was it was wired with the israelis and hamas and over the last few days we have seen it slightly come apart. the second and third phases were vague to begin with. it's not exactly clear where things stand. i think there's some chance still you can get a temporary pause again, but not an open-ended cease-fire and not an israeli withdrawal from gaza. my guess is, joe, that whatever happens the war at one level is going to continue for sometime, and if you don't like hamas who will provide security and governance, and meanwhile things are heating up in the north between israel and hamas, and also hamas backed by iran. and nothing is poised on the brink of whatever is possible, and i simply don't see things fundamentally coming together. >> well, there has been debate, not only here but also in israel, obviously, about what netanyahu's -- what his -- what is pushing him throughout the process. i will say yesterday we had former prime minister mr. bennett on, and if you listen to him and if you listen to the reports out of israel and the defections in the cabinet, we find ourself in a position now where netanyahu can't take the deal and survive publicly. the criticism that is coming from former prime minister bennett who many consider as the possibility of a future prime minister, and netanyahu is being too indecisive and too weak and not going into rafah. >> yeah, you have it from both sides. you have the finance minister, the minute of national security threatened to bring down the government if he doesn't, quote, unquote, show strength and gon and the problem with the arguments is that's nonsense. the idea that you can eliminate hamas and somehow there was a military solution, and it's a total misleading of the situation. with that said, that's the politics bibi netanyahu is dealing with. he has pressures not to compromise, and he has pressures to end the war and to focus on the hostages. the president is leaning on him. the president, as people like me argued is going to his head and appealing to the israeli public. bibi netanyahu is trying to avoid coming down clearly and hard in order to politically survive. coming up, senator elizabeth warren is standing by, a preview of today's vote in the senate when "morning joe" comes right back. 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(kev) ... i guess we're movin'. texas radio host, ryan hamilton, is speaking out against his state's strict abortion law after personally seeing how they affected his family. ryan revealed his wife, jess, suffered an incomplete miscarriage and their second child no longer had a heartbeat. quote, what needed to happen, what was best for her and her health was to terminate the pregnancy and get the baby out. he goes on to talk about the second doctor they saw during an emergency hospital visit, quote, you could hear him in the hallway as he said i'm not giving her a pill so she can go home and have an abortion, being well aware that our baby no longer had a heartbeat. they tried a third doctor at a new hospital, quote, it's becoming clear their primary concern is not my wife's health, he said, and instead they seem to be worried about the legalities involved. after being sent home for the third time, ryan details a terrifying moment where he found his wife passed out on the ground, quote, having to pick my wife's cold and limp body off that bathroom floor, not sure if i was about to lose her is something i will never forget, and by this point she lost so much blood and bodily fluid, her body gave out. now, not only do we have to live with the loss of our baby but we have to live with the experience because of political and religious beliefs. my wife's health should have come first, period. supporters of abortion rights today democratic senators will take another step holding a vote on a bill meant to protect contraceptives. the move is in reaction to donald trump saying in a recent interview he would be open to restrictions on contraception, only to back track the comments hours later. today's bill is not expected to garner enough republican support to pass, but democrats want gop senators on the record. joining us now, democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, it is good to have you on the show. we are clearly no longer talking in hypotheticals whether it comes to donald trump's promises as we're now living through this. tell me what you're trying to do. >> we are only 60 years since the supreme court protected access to contraception. 50 years since they protected access to abortion. we saw what the supreme court did on abortion, and now there is a real risk they may do the same thing on contraception. indeed, one of the justices has already said so. but more to the point, i'm really sick of this idea that the republicans think they can say two things simultaneously. they can talk to their extremist group and say i'll give you everything you want. we are going to ban abortion, ivf, contraception, everything you want, and then try to say to the rest of america that says, boy, we don't want any part in that, they're saying, no, no, we don't mean it, we're very moderate, we're not going to do that, calm down, there's not a problem here. well, my view is i don't want to hear your words, i want to see what you're going to do. so, today we're putting a bill on the floor of the senate that is going to have every senator vote. are you willing to support a federal law to protect access to contraception? yes or no. and we'll see where the republicans stand on this. >> hmm. >> so, of course, senator, you're talking about clarence thomas who won the concurring opinion of dobbs said now we overturned the constitutional right to abortion, we can look at contraception next. >> that's right. >> the timing of your legislation obviously couldn't be more vital. the lead story, the top of "the washington post" this morning, conservative attacks on birth control could threaten access and they go down the list of states from idaho, louisiana, missouri, who are spreading this information, state legislatures taking that misinformation to pass bills that actually curb the right to contraceptions. >> yeah. you know, the thing about this is it is not just in a handful of states where the threat exists. it is all of the country. we have talked about the fact that abortion will be on the ballot in 2024. so will ivf and so will contraception. and if the republicans get in charge, look at what they have already said they want to do. there is a bill pending in the house that is a life begins at conception bill. and it is supported by the majority of republicans in the house including the speaker of the house. that bill would make it impossible, for example, to use iuds or to use plan b. they would just be automatically treated as murder. so, it is important that we get everybody on the record and make it clear all across this country, abortion is on the ballot, ivf is on the ballot, contraception is on the ballot. and the majority of americans who don't want an extremist minority to be able to control them, and to advance their agenda over that of the decisions of everyone else, that is what at stake in 2024. that's why we're voting today. >> and, again, there is always this characterization of, oh, look at the extremists in rural states here. look at the extremists there. let's look instead at virginia, for instance. glenn youngkin who is supposed to be -- he's an investment banker, he's a more moderate republican, he's not crazy like the rest of those people, glenn youngkin actually vetoed a bill that would guarantee women in virginia the right to contraception. and his justification was, he had to veto it because he thought giving women the right that they have had since 1965 would, quote, trample on the religious freedoms of virginians. that's how crazy this has become. >> yeah, yeah, and that's how extreme it has become. you know, more than 90% of americans want to make sure that people get access to contraception. so, here's this group, it is less than 10% of our country, that actually are the ones who are steering where things are going. and donald trump and the republicans are not just playing along with it, they're actually empowering it and making it come to pass. always remember that when trump ran back in 2016, he said that he would appoint the right justices, and that is exactly what he did. he put the justices in place that overturned roe and people all across this country are now dealing with the fallout from that. and they're not quitting there. they want more and more and more. they're not quitting just at the state level, they're coming after all of the states, nationally. they want to ban abortion, they want to ban contraception, they want to ban ivf and it is up to us, both to out them on that, and then take it to the ballot box in november 2024. >> well, i think, mika, what the senator said is so important. i know the senator, like you, like me, believe everybody has a religious right to believe what they believe. and i know that some catholics, a small percentage of catholics, have long believed that taking contraceptives is a sin. okay. that this is america, certainly your religious right to believe that, but don't try to have it both ways. don't say, oh, no, no, is no, we're not going to follow along with the 10% or the 7% or the 5% in america who believes that, and then quietly behind the scene push through legislation on state levels, or veto that very right. >> what donald trump has been able to do with women's rights, so if the fact he's liable of sexual abuse, massive fraud, defamation, and found guilty on 34 felony counts is not enough, perhaps think about more rights that he can take away from women, including the one we're talking about here today. senator elizabeth warren, thank you. >> and, so, senator, what's next with this legislation? really quickly, before we -- we know you have to go, but what's next? >> so, we're going to go ahead and bring it to the floor. we're going to have everybody vote on it, everybody is on the record and the plan is we're going to do the same with ivf. we're going to do the same once again with abortion. we don't want there to be any ambiguity here. when you look at the senators, when you look at the presidential candidates, you know exactly which side they stand on. this is -- >> and, senator, let's be clear. i'm so glad you brought up ivf. let's be clear. the republicans and the senate keep killing bills that would guarantee families across america the right, the protected right, to have ivf treatment. >> yes, yes. today, we're going to do contraception and get them on the record on contraception. we're also going to get them on the record on ivf. and we're going to get them on the record once again on abortion. because no one should be fooled here. this is what the election this november is about. about whether or not a tiny minority in this country is going to determine access to family planning, health, reproductive rights, for half the population in this country. and i think that's a no for most americans. and that means they need to vote with the democrats come november. >> so, we'll be following these votes. and making sure we cover the outcome of each of these votes and would love to have you back so we can highlight those who voted no and yes on each of these issues. so people are very clear exactly as to what is at stake. senator elizabeth warren, thank you very much for coming on this morning. we appreciate what you're doing. >> thank you. >> all right. up next, president biden is now in france to mark tomorrow's 80th anniversary of the d-day invasion. we'll dig into the message he's expected to deliver and how it contrasts with former president donald trump. jen psaki and chris matthews join the conversation. we're back in two minutes with a packed fourth hour of "morning joe." h hour of "morning joe. diamonds on my teeth ♪ ♪ brand new whip is what they see, yeah ♪ ♪ in my bag like a bunch of groceries ♪ ♪ all this cheese and greens just come to me ♪ ♪ look at me on the go. always hustling. eyes on me ♪ ♪ all eyes on me, brand new drip is what they see ♪ ♪ these diamonds, diamonds on my teeth ♪ ♪ brand new whip is what they see, yeah ♪ freedom you can't take your eyes off. the new 2024 jeep wrangler and gladiator. jeep. there's only one. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. joining us, we have the host of msnbc's "inside with jen psaki," jen psaki, former msnbc host and contributor to washington monthly, chris matthews, and the host of "way too early," john that lemire is still with us as well. >> and, by the way, willie geist is with us as well. willie, you know, some of t.j.'s best work i found is when i'm eating granola. >> oh, no. >> and he cuts to me. now, let's just say for the record, when i'm asking you a question, for 30 minutes, t.j. will not show your face. i feel like i'm talking to myself. but if i start eating granola, boom. >> i love -- i love dear t.j., our old friend. sometimes he says my hair falls down and i was picking it up and you caught me. i need to pay closer attention to my hair. >> more product. >> yeah, more product. >> i think, willie, the highlight of this show may have been when t.j. left us for about five years, and was at cbs and every time something went wrong on the show, we blamed t.j. and t.j. called me up after watching and goes, what, what, do i have controls over here? obviously, you do, t.j. >> t.j. was thriving in the next phase of his career and we were still holding him responsible for everything that was happening on our show. >> i appreciate that. i wish i had the control room camera to show myself but i don't and we can move on now. >> you don't? >> can we move on, t.j.? all right, t.j. >> can we? >> t.j., you should tell everybody we joke with each other, but we actually -- we have been together so long working that we just hit the legal age this past year, didn't we? >> 21 years, yes, 21. >> thank you, t.j. he doesn't -- t.j.'s been working with us for 21 years and he still doesn't know how to use his mic. >> all right. let's get to our top story on this fourth hour of "morning joe." president biden is beginning a multiday visit to france where he is set to commemorate the 80th anniversary of d-day. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander has the latest from paris. >> reporter: this morning, the president arriving in paris, preparing to mark the 80th anniversary of d-day. in a new interview with "time" magazine, president biden warns other world leaders are concerned about a potential trump victory in november, saying, there is not a major international meeting i attend that a world leader does not pull me aside as i'm leaving and say, he can't win, you can't let him win. and overnight, the former president again railed against his felony conviction suggesting if elected he will retaliate against his political opponents by prosecuting them in court. >> does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question. it is a terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to, and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. >> reporter: mr. trump also criticizing president biden's new executive order, that blocks migrants from seeking asylum at the u.s./mexico border when illegal crossings surge past 2500 a day. >> this is a public relations executive order. and it is meaningless. >> reporter: a nearly record 10 million migrants have crossed into the u.s. since president biden took office. the president making the move, blaming republicans months after they blocked a bipartisan border security bill. at the urging of mr. trump. >> i'm moving past republican obstruction to do what i can on my own to address the border. >> reporter: the president's also under pressure to bring the israel-hamas war to an end. asked by "time" whether israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is prolonging the war to protect himself politically, the president said, i'm not going to comment on that, before adding there is every reason for people to draw that conclusion. but on tuesday, he appeared to back track. >> prime minister netanyahu claims politics with the war. i don't think so, he's trying to work out the serious problem he has. >> reporter: the president was asked by time if israeli forces have committed war crimes in gaza, responding, it's uncertain. the white house later saying, israel itself is investigating, but adding that the u.s. has seen no indication that's the case. >> so, chris matthews, so much i want to ask you about. but why don't we just start with peter's reporting right there that donald trump called the executive order on the border a pr move, when, in fact, the biggest pr move on this issue came when donald trump told republicans they had to kill biden's bipartisan bill on the border security because it was the toughest border security bill in a generation and it would hurt him politically. >> you know, you have to wonder, when you listen to trump, whether we need a congress if he gets elected. because he tells them what to do. there is no separation of powers, there is no division of powers in a country that is coming, if he gets elected. he just tells them, you're not going to vote on a tougher security, you're not going to vote for senator lankford's plan, you're not going to do anything because i said so, just like i said i won the election in 2020, even though i lost by seven million votes. just as eisenhower won by 7 million votes in 1952. he lies, the republican party accepts the lie, and they follow him. and, you're right, joe, this is a classic example of trump's dictatorial powers over the congress. they don't want to do anything. nothing was getting done legislatively. the president acted by executive order, and that's where we are right now in that troubling situation because it can be challenged by the supreme court. we all know this. it would be much better to do it by law. >> one could ask, too, speaking of empty promises why donald trump didn't actually build that wall he promised over the course of two years of the campaign. your well informed analysis of how the white house came to this executive order, what is your sense? did they get their arms around the fact that there is a crisis at the border, something has to change mixed a little bit with election year politics? >> look, i think there are a couple of things that are true at the same time. one, the system -- the border is broken for a range of reasons, including security being broken at the border, the wall is not going to fix it. technology is advanced, i would say, over the past couple of decades. there is lots of technology that can be used to secure the border. that's part of what needs to happen. if you're in the minds of the white house, you want to do that. also pairing with a more humane asylum system, which is completely broken and unfair to the people who are seeking asylum and trying to come across the border. they knew, i think, as soon as that deal fell apart, just to reiterate what chris matthews was saying, was because donald trump called mike johnson and said, kill the deal. mike johnson said, yes, sir. it was a deal that was so conservative and democrats gave so much on that many republicans were saying, wow, i can't believe we got all of these things and a lot of democrats are mad about it. they knew in that moment they had to do something. there needs to be something that is done but also politically this is one of the biggest vulnerabilities. and regardless of who is mad about the details of what is in here and what isn't in here, it is a political vulnerability for the president and his campaign, they know that, they knew they would have to do something like an executive order before the election politically as well. that's what we're seeing play out. >> and to that point, so far, polls have not blamed republicans for that deal, even though they did sabotage it. let's shift to what the president is going to do in europe. the speech on friday, aides have told me they see this as a really big opportunity, very significant set piece where he will talk about the need to defend democracy at home and abroad. probably not going to mention trump by name but trump's shadow will be all over this. we know how nervous a lot of our allies are about his possible return. what would the messages be, if you could recommend the president, to hit while he's over there? >> i don't think anybody should anticipate he's going to give a big political campaign speech attacking trump as a convicted felon. that's not the basis of this speech. but it is a moment to do what he's done over the course of the last couple of years, which is to really draw that contrast on what kind of a country we are as the united states and who we want to be. are we a country that believes in democracy or a country that follows authoritarianism and authoritarian dictators. that contrast is a very appropriate on the world stage, also examples of other countries that unfortunately have gone down a path that is closer to that, like hungary and others in recent years, including in europe. so i expect it to be that kind of broad contrast, but also people will hear what he's talking about. which is the future of the leadership in the united states. and one of the things he often talks about that i wouldn't be surprised to hear him do on friday is how when he has traveled overseas and i was with him in 2021 on his first foreign trip, er leaders say to him, well, democracy is back in the united states, but for how long, for how long. and there is a real concern about that from foreign leaders, so, if there is a way to allude to that, i would expect and hope he does that as well. >> well, on that point, here is donald trump in a recent interview, talking about, well, vowing retribution in the form of jail time for his perceived allies. take a look. >> mother teresa couldn't get a fair trial here. i said that. and no, you couldn't. i never saw a glimmer or a smile from the jury. it was a trial that everybody said shouldn't have been brought and including brad didn't want to bring it, nobody wanted to bring it, until i decided to run and then was beating everybody by a lot and beating biden by a lot in the polls. but it is very terrible thing, it is a terrible precedent for our country. does that mean the next president does it to them? that's really the question. wouldn't it be terrible to throw the president's wife and the former secretary of state -- think of it, the former secretary of state, but the president's wife into jail? wouldn't that be a terrible thing? but they want to do it. so, you know, it is -- it is a terrible, terrible path that they're leading us to, and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. >> obviously i meant perceivd foes, anybody he perceives to be against him in any way, he's vowing retribution and even sort of joyfully lathering in the thought of putting people in jail. really strange, sick guy. >> you read the story that is atop "the new york times" now, chris matthews, what you'll see is not only donald trump but republican senators, people around donald trump, that are talking about how, hey, we basically we need to arrest donald trump's opponents once he's back in power, marco rubio saying we have to fight fire with fire with his little fire emojis. but this is -- think about what donald trump is now promising. this is what donald trump is promising americans if he gets elected. that he's going to throw hillary clinton in jail, that he's going to throw political opponents in jail, that he's going -- he's going to throw people on this show in jail, steve bannon's promise that he's going to get -- ban networks that aren't favorable to him, that he's going to execute generals who are not politically aligned with him, that he can use s.e.a.l. team six and he's going to terminate the constitution, he's going to encourage vladimir putin to invade nato allies, and could go on and on and on. these are the things donald trump has promised. this isn't some crazed left wing ideologue is saying he might do. no, these are his words, chris. underline that danger if this authoritarian in waiting gets back into the white house. >> well, it is such a break from your republican party. and i mean the former republican party. because if you think about tom dewy, the governor of new york, he came off as a prosecutor in new york. the republican party had no problem with new york prosecutors back in those days. and eisenhower, what a figure he was, i mean, whether you think about him going around the troops the night before d-day, and talking to each soldier, and to his face and saying things like good luck, soldier, good luck, soldier, he understood the rank and file. it wasn't a dictator. it was those rank and file. he told cronkite in '64, when they got up on the hill, when they seized the heights, in normandy, he trusted them to figure out how to get through the hedge rows and they figured out how to use the tractors and tanks to get through the hedge rows, to get past the nazi defense, the atlantic wall. he counted on people. he believed in people down the ranks. when he was president of the united states and i'm could have to respect him more each year, he tested lyndon johnson and sam rayburn on the democratic side because they had those great majorities in those days, and he said to them, you guys run the economy, i'll run the foreign policy. and they worked it out for all those wonderful years of peace and prosperity. because he trusted the other side to do business with. this is the opposite of donald trump, who wants to put them before firing squads, put them all in jail. he's unbelievable the way he talks about his opponents. and this is exactly the choice we have. a dictatorship, or a democracy. we have to choose. this election is about more than abortion, it is about the whole question of what kind of government we're going to have. what kind of a country do we want to live in, do we have a dictator who tells the u.s. congress don't do anything about the border, don't do anything, let it rock 'n' roll, let thousands come through between now and election day, it doesn't matter if they stay here forever, as long as we win the election! he's talking -- he's going to talk like that to the supreme court. he would love to see them give him immunity, he would love to get that, he's probably counting on it in this trial in new york too, about the hush money. he's probably working on some back room plan to somehow get -- speed this to the supreme court and let alito and that incredible coup they pulled off there against judge roberts. alito is running the show. so, you never know what can happen with his five members and i'm telling you, trump could end up rolling the score. i've got the congress and the supreme court, i own it all, i am a dictator. it is very reasonable to assume that's where he's headed. >> so you talked about walter cronkite and ike and ike at normandy, 20th anniversary. of course, ronald reagan on the 40th anniversary giving that extraordinary speech, peggy noonan, beautiful, eloquent words about the boys of pointe du hoc. and now we have joe biden, 80th anniversary. talk about this day tomorrow. and how for many americans, myself included, this day is -- it is like the fourth of july for many americans. this is a date on the calendar where the united states and our allies liberated not only france, but the world from the scourge of hitler's germany. >> well, every american, if they can afford it, should go to normandy. it is unbelievable. you know, the guy that parachuted down on to the church steeple who red buttons played him in the movie "the longest day", that's still there. there is a pub in that area right up there in normandy where they still celebrate that. and even some of the germans come back because they got -- they have brothers and fathers there in the cemetery. it is a wonderful occasion to celebrate guts and valor and giving to your country. not one of those soldiers got a deal out of normandy. there was no deal. no secret deal where they got something for it, extra money in their pocket, nothing! they gave everything. and they gave their lives. and as you pointed out earlier in the program today, and ike knew some of them would be killed that day. it was problematic. they were going to get killed because they got the word because the 82nd airborne had come in there the night before, they knew we were coming. there is a movie you can see in cannes in france where you can see the germans with romle building that atlantic wall. they were ready for it. they were ready to kill those guys and the pillboxes are there. you can see them. you can climb in the pillbox and look down. it was pure guts and giving for your country. it was unbelievable and the guts, as peggy noonan wrote in that script, climbing up the ropes, climbing up those ropes, under nazi machine gunfire for their country, it is as simple as that, for their country. >> unbelievable. >> chris matthews, thank you very much, for coming on today, especially. thank you. coming up, we're going to go through some of the results of yesterday's primary elections including the candidates now vying to unseat indicted senator bob menendez in new jersey. plus, the democratic nominee for u.s. senate in new mexico, incumbent martin heinrich will join us to talk about his re-election campaign. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. mpaign you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. smile! you found it. the feeling of finding psoriasis can't filter out the real you. so go ahead, live unfiltered with the one and only sotyktu, a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, 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five games in the a.l. central against another surprise team, the kansas city royals who are playing really well. but indians have a really good player in ramirez. i think two games behind the yankees for the best record in the american league east. they're setting themselves up to be a really strong team playing through october. >> no need for that gratuitous yankees remark, willie. jose ramirez one of the most underrated superstars in the league for years. 35 or more rbis, one of the early a.l. mvp candidates. and steven vogue, rookie manager there, taking over for the beloved terry francona who worked and did so well there for so long. but, joe, mika, they are, they're 40-20. they got a good pitching staff. and shockingly in a really good a.l. central. the royals, five back. twins, seven, tigers over .500 too. >> mariners are playing great. the brewers are playing really well. some exciting teams that aren't always -- and phillies have been -- >> the phillies, yeah. phillies tearing it up. you're saying, and you have said this from the beginning of the year, keep your eye on the royals. you think the royals may actually overtake everybody. >> what i'm saying, actually, is happy birthday to the inspiration for know your value, suze orman. >> is it her birthday? >> there we go. now, i am going to news. democratic congressman andy kim won new jersey's senate primary on tuesday, setting up a general election contest against real estate developer curtis bashoff who defeated a trump-backed candidate for the republican nomination. trump called bashoff a christie person, referring to chris christie at a rally in new jersey last month. incumbent democratic senator bob menendez will also be on the ballot after declaring his intention to run as an independent. on monday, in the midst of a federal corruption trial, setting up a potential three-way race in november. meanwhile, in new mexico, senator martin heinrich won the democratic senate primary on tuesday, he will face off against republican nella domenici. both candidates ran unopposed. and senator heinrich joins us now, a member of the senate intelligence committee. it is good to have you on, sir. so lay it out for us. what is the choice for voters in your state? >> you know, i think you guys have covered it really well this morning. this is not a normal election cycle. it is a choice between democracy, and all the freedoms that that affords us, and something that doesn't look like democracy anymore. and so i think in new mexico we cannot afford to elect an enabler to the kind of behavior that we see from this former president. >> mr. senator, am i right she's -- your opponent, the republican opponent, hedge fund executive from new york city, so how does that play? she has ties to the state. we mentioned her father. how does that play into this election? >> i think the biggest challenge for my opponent is that most new mexicoens can't see themselves in a hedge fund executive. it is a way of life that is completely foreign to them. and connecting with voters is kind of at the center of what any campaign is all about. >> so, senator, obviously one of the central issues in your state is the border, of course. i'm curious about your reaction to the executive order issued by president biden yesterday. some democrats are offended by it, there are lawsuits planned from the aclu, republicans say too little, too late, a little rich as you know all too well because they turned their backs on the bipartisan legislation earlier this year. a good decision, a strong order from the president? what is your assessment? >> i think a necessary decision. but it doesn't negate the fact that we really do need to change in statute the way that our asylum system works and reform our asylum system fundamentally. and you can only do that permanently with the change in the law. that means that republicans need to come back to the table to make the kind of permanent changes that we need in our system. both to secure the border and also to serve the interests of legitimate asylum seekers. >> senator, jen psaki. i wanted to ask you about abortion rights. it is something we have been talking about this morning, of course with one of your colleagues, senator warren and others. tell us a little bit about that issue in new mexico. and is it on front and center for the minds of voters? are they aware of the threat posed by republicans in an election of trump and maybe an election of your opponent. how is that playing in the race? >> well, what i would say is that if you look at the primary races last night, we actually had a lot of change in new mexico. and it was -- it was women motivated by the dobbs decision and other efforts to ban ivf and do these other things that take away our fundamental freedoms that motivated a lot of people to go to the polls. if you look at where primaries changed hands from incumbents to challengers, in new mexico last night, much of it was motivated by this issue. and i think it is not going away. my opponent refuses to talk about it. but that's not going to make the issue go away. it is going to be a very active discussion in the run-up to november. >> senator, one of the starkest choices on the ballot this fall in many races will be approach to climate change. and i know that's something that resonates very much in your state. talk to us a little bit about what voters are telling you they want to see. >> well, i think we actually have an enormous opportunity on the democratic side with respect to climate change and connecting with young voters. the legislation that we passed with respect to energy and climate in the last congress was the biggest progress that we have ever seen on this front. but young voters don't know very much about it yet. for candidates who are willing to explain just how much we got done, how we basically created industrial policy to build the clean energy manufacturing plants of the future, it really gives us an 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someone saying we don't have a long time to live and responding in this way. >> i am als! i am als! >> that say look at the powerful new documentary "for love & life: no ordinary campaign." the film follows brian wallac wallach who was diagnosed with als and his wife who used their expertise in washington to secure funding for als research to prove to other families living with disease, there is hope. and sandra joins us, the co-founder and the director and producer of "for love & life: no ordinary campaign," christopher burke. good to see you both. >> thank you for having us. >> can we start with a little background? i gather you know each other. >> just a little bit. >> i've known you so long and i'm so proud to know you and brian and what you've done is remarkable. you've brought this to life for people who weren't tracking what this disease was, who didn't know that they had a voice or had power to have a voice. and before i get more emotional, i'm just -- you both had done so much before brian was diagnosed, as public servants, contributing to electing barack obama, but this is your greatest legacy, which is remarkable. and i just wanted to ask you for people watching out there who think maybe they have als, maybe they have another disease, maybe they feel their voice isn't heard and they can't make a difference, what would you tell them about what they should do, because so many people feel powerless and you showed that you are empowered and you can be powerful. >> absolutely. and i think with these neurodegenerative diseases, whether it is als or parkinson's or ms, these diseases affect the way you speak, the way you move, and so these are really difficult diseases to live a public life with, right? because it is evident oftentimes that you have an illness, and so people, they turn inward and that's the instinct and that's what brian and i are trying to encourage people to fight against because when they do come forward, their voices are so powerful, and having been in government in advocacy for so long prior to our diagnosis, i mean, jen, our whole job, for so many years was to elevate people who are affected by policy and so when that happened to us, we knew that even if we were just one voice, even if you are just one voice, being public, if you have one of these illnesses can have a huge impact. >> i want you to know that everyone who has seen the film, or who is around you and brian for five minutes feels the way jen is feeling right now. i put myself in that camp as well. this journey for you and brian, he was diagnosed as i said seven years ago, almost seven years ago now. i guess the word is relentless. as you say, we talked about this at length. i have parkinson's in my family as well. i put you guys in the category of michael j. fox in terms of elevating something that people didn't know a lot about and raising all this money and completely changing the game. why have you stayed in it so relentlessly for so long? >> well, first of all, we think of michael j. fox as our role model. and he really paved the way for what it looked like to be public with a neurodegenerative disease. why are we relentless? brian says this all the time, which is he is now seven years in, he is mostly paralyzed, he can barely speak and yet he is and i am more hopeful than we ever have been before because the pace of treatments for these diseases has accelerated in these last five years more than it did in the 50 years prior. so we feel -- there is an authentic reason to be hopeful that these diseases can transform from fatal to chronic. >> so, chris, your first job as director of the film was keeping up with these two. which is not an easy thing to do because they go. >> it is not easy. >> how did you come to the story and how did you want to put together such a beautiful telling of what they're up to? >> as jen said the beginning, you're proud to know them, right? i've known brian for 20 years. we went to college together and i met sandra on the -- what effectively was the first day of filming for this project. i came out to chicago, shortly after brian's diagnosis, to help film an spot for their nonprofit, i am als. i realized there was a whole lot more going on than could possibly be encapsulated in a 60-second web promo. we kept the cameras rolling and i heard the back story, i met sandra, i heard from her, i tagged along to some medical appointments and lobbying meetings and i was, like, this is a complex web happening here and then when i went to d.c., in april of 2019 for brian's first testimony in front of the house, that's what really sealed the deal for me, like, okay, i'm in this for the long haul, whatever it takes. it is a matter of keeping up with them and it has been really well worth it, especially moments like this where we get to share it with a broad audience. >> you mentioned that impactful congressional testimony. let's look at a scene where brian and sandra are getting ready to testify before congress. >> science is moving quickly in the fda. yeah. >> be more flexible and you're being less flexible. let's write a whole new testimony. none of that is in our current testimony, brian. >> you're doing an als running man. just for the record, it is 10:00 p.m. the night before the hearing. my clock is wrong. it is worse. >> so there it is, relentless and optimistic, that was two and a half years ago, that scene. talk to us about how you feel like you have started to breakthrough. major league baseball this weekend, als weekend, lou gehrig the most famous person to suffer from als. you're going to be honored at yankee stadium. tell us where you think the fight is now. more people know. >> more people know. more people are acting. i think that's central, right? if you tell a story of hopelessness, then people give up and they don't engage. we are one authentically hopeful, and, two, this moment has been mobilized, across ftd, alzheimer's, parkinson's and als. people are speaking up and taking action. the major league baseball community has been a big part of that. tonight at yankee stadium will be amazing. and this film getting selected for amazon prime with over 200 million viewers on their platform. it is incredible. >> so, chris, what do you hope people take away from this film other than being so incredibly moved and impressed by brian and sandra. what do you hope is the takeaway for somebody who watches? >> i think it is just that you can and should turn hope into action, whatever that is in your life, right? hope alone is not a strategy. but if you see the way that they and their ever growing community have taken that hope, that kernel of hope, fostered it among each other and put it to work on the legislative, research side, community building side, it is truly inspirational and i don't use that word lightly. it is. for anyone going through anything, neurogenerative diseases or any struggle you're going through, the way they organized and taken these principles from their years on the campaign trail and the white house, and applied it to something that people can understand and make a real difference is something that i'm proud to have been able to capture in this way. >> they have made a real difference. you have changed the game and so many of us are happy to be along for the ride. we love you. we love brian. keep up the great work. the new documentary "for love & life: no ordinary campaign" is streaming now on prime video. thank you, both. >> thank you, guys. coming up, our next guest named by rolling stone as one of the 50 best stand-up comics of all time. tig nataro joins us live in studio next. nataro joins us liv studio next. in here, you can expect to find crystal clear audio, expansive display space, endless entertainment, and more comfort for everyone. but even with all that... we still left room for all the unpredictability, spontaneity and unexpected things you'll find out here. the new 2024 grand cherokee lineup. 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son said it's just her. does everything have to be a joke with you? kind of, yeah. >> that is a look at the new standup special tig notaro hello again. she speaks candidly about the more humbling parts of parenthood as you just heard there, as well as the health challenges that come with aging and even an unexpected encounter she had with a firefighter inside her bedroom. she joins the co-director of the movie "am i okay" which premiers tomorrow on max. so good to see you. >> can we hear about the firefighter encounter? it seems like it raised some questions in your mind. >> it was a little confusing. i am married to a woman and she had to call the -- she had to call 911, and a fireman came and hauled me out of the house in the middle of the night, and his just big strong arms holding me and carrying me really -- i truly was in his arms thinking, oh, my god, i get it now. i was so confused. and he also had a big mustache and i -- >> they'll get you. >> i didn't know i was into mustaches. i was so confused because i was, you know, i'm fighting for my life but also like am i in the wrong life or, you know, i didn't know what was going on, but yeah. >> you got it. you got it a little bit. so you've got two kids as you talk about in the special. your wife also as you said, stephanie, directed this. what is the dynamic there in terms of work partnerships? if she's directing you in a special, how do you guys get along that way? >> we get along really well. we met working together. we met as actors on a film, and we have created shows and written tv and film and we've done everything together. it just kind of felt more -- my wife has a different look than the fireman, but my taste is all over the place. but so yeah, i feel like we have very similar sensibilities with slight differences, of course, but i think those differences elevate our vision and everything that we do. >> i mentioned the kids, there's a hilarious moment in the special where tig recounts a moment she arrives home to less than enthusiastic children. >> one day i came home by myself, and when i walked in, the alarm said side door open, and our son started yelling, mommy's home, mommy's home. that's what they call stephanie and then i came around the corner, and our son fin looked back at me and then looked at his brother and said, it's just her. [ laughter ] as if to say don't even bother even slightly turning your head. the letdown is so monumental. learn from my mistake. >> as someone who has two kids at home myself i can relate. >> we all can. >> to not being the chosen parent there. tell us how you decided to draw from your home life, kids in particular, into your act? >> i mean, i feel like it's that extra sense as a comedian where i think, oh, this is definitely something i'm going to take on stage, and then, you know, now that i am married with a family it's not just me anymore, so i have had moments where stephanie has come up and been like, i feel like that's just for us. >> right. >> which is fine because there's a million other opportunities. i always say i live in a house with a writing staff because there's always something that i can grab and use. >> no doubt. we all have multiple children, i think we all related to that moment. i'm often called like the number three favorite person in the house. there's four of us, hold on a second. hold on a second. i think when people see you on stage and watch your special, they think, oh, she just kind of has it together all the time. she just walks out on the stage and does it, and you've talked a little bit about how the chaotic events leading up to the special. talk to us a little bit about that. people don't always see that side of comedians. >> when you're saying -- >> just i think you talked a little bit about kind of traveling through europe, losing your suitcase, just all of the things that go into going on stage. you don't just pop out there. >> i normally do, i'm a freak of nature in that way where i with show up at show time, walk in the backstage door and walk on stage, but when i was touring europe right before the special, i did, i lost my suitcase for almost three weeks, and it was just on tour without me seeing all the sights that i was hoping to and i also -- somebody walked in front of me at the airport with their huge luggage and tripped me and i was launched. fractured my wrist, ended up on crutches for the rest of my tour, and i just got off crutches three days before that special. i didn't think i was going to be able to tape it. >> if you ever see this person in the airport. >> i mean, truly. >> we talked about your professional collaboration with stephanie. you also co-directed the movie "am i okay" that stars dakota johnson. tell us about that. >> it is -- it's a movie that was written by our friend lauren pomerantz. she is so outrageously hilarious, just such a great writer, and it's a later in life coming out story. dakota plays, i think, a 32-year-old, it's not like your grandmother's coming out, but she should if she wants to. but yeah, it's a story about friendship but also coming out and basically you should be who you are at any age and do what you want to do, and it's really such a beautiful performance by dakota. i really think and now, we screened it the other night, the audience went nuts for it. it's so funny. it's so touching and there's some silly parts in it too bt yeah, i think it's really, really good. >> two great pieces of work. i think fin may finally be impressed after these. that door opens, let's cheer this time. the new comedy special tig notaro hello again is streaming on prime video. you can stream the new film "am i okay?" on max starting tomorrow. so great to see you. thanks for coming by. that does it for us this morning, ana cabrera picks up the coverage in just 90 seconds. the coverage in just 90 seconds. 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