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the republican party's presidential front runner was convicted by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. that is the reality. the republican party must now grapple with that. if they were into reality. that is an issue. but what makes this all even more difficult for the gop is that trump's conviction has zero to do with president biden. trump was convicted in the case brought by a new york city prosecutor who does not report president biden. trump is facing another 10 criminal charges from another local prosecutor in georgia who does not report to president biden. even the two federal cases were brought by an independent special counsel who neither takes orders from coordinates with president biden. so donald trump has reacted the way he traditionally does when reality does not fit his preferred narrative. he lies about it. he claims that president biden is the one who is really pulling the strings. >> these are all biden cases. this is using the justice department to go after your political opponent. >> he's weaponized in law enforcement for a high level election interference. >> he ordered his top political opponent arrested. oh who is that? it's me. >> trump has repeated a version of that light over and over again for the past years. now he is the presumptive nominee so every elected republican in congress must now attach themselves or herself to that line no matter what reality dictates. today we saw exactly what it looks like when attorney general, merrick garland testified before the house judiciary committee. at a hearing ostensibly about oversight of the justice department. spoke for the first time in american history we have a presidential administration working to put its opponent in jail. that is a fact. >> you are intentionally allowing the department to engage in political prosecution.>> it will do great damage. >> at one point history republicans used to excuse trump's lies or pretend they did that here. no longer. they have taken a knife to any tether that still binds into reality and are now just floating away into the fact pre- universe of trump like balloons. or sea gulls in a stiff wind. it's not just the hard-line maga wing. this is what a moderate in the state of new jersey said trying to take a shot at fani willis and alvin bragg. >> he ran for office saying he was going to put donald trump in jail. alvin bragg and the prosecutor. they ran on that and that is wrong.>> he directed those comments to merrick garland, but again, merrick garland has no connections to the prosecutors in georgia and manhattan. and whatever your reservations are about elected prosecutors criminally investigating members of the opposing party, the congressman was making that argument while defending this guy. but she should be locked up. she should be locked up. you should lock them up. the bidens and hillary. >> donald trump, more than any other politician is famous for wanting to jail his political opponents. but over the weekend he tried to write that moment out of history. but hillary clinton, i didn't say lock her up. and i said openly, all right. just relax. >> i did not say lock her up. i know it was a long 27 seconds ago, but here it is. >> she should be locked up. she should be locked up. >> i should also note that his claim that he gave up trying to prosecute hillary clinton after he won the election was a lie. we know from robert mueller's report that trump was fixated on the idea of prosecuting her and pressured his first attorney general to do that. prosecute hillary clinton. but that whole thing, that has been wiped from the public memory. here's what jason smith told conservative media. >> attorney general, merrick garland is not acting like the attorney general of the united states. he's acting like joe biden's personal attorney. >> so as congressman smith was accusing him of acting like biden's personal attorney, they were delivering opening arguments in the criminal trial of joe biden's adult son. if that's the kind of service you get from your personal attorney, maybe you should get a new one. for the record, in case your memory has become untethered to reality, trump spent two years complaining that his first attorney general was not acting enough like his personal attorney. then trump fired him and hired bill barr who spent the rest of the administration acting like president trump's personal attorney. according to republicans, merrick garland is doing the president's bidding. the thing is, republicans are realizing it's hard to claim you're the victim of a rigged justice system when their candidate has spent his whole political career trying to rigged the justice system. merrick garland for his part was not taking any of this. >> i will not be intimidated and the justice department will not be intimidated. we will continue to do our jobs free from political influence and we will not back down from defending democracy. >> joining us now is a new york times reporter and claire mccaskill. trump claims that joe biden is a shut-in also simultaneously a political puppetmaster. can they have their cake and eat it too? his son, and do we remember that the same justice department the client to prosecute matt gaetz on trafficking? the justice department if they are doing political stuff, they are doing it badly. here is what is going on. there is evidence and it's not a democrat or a republican or a socialist or a communist. what is happening is cases with evidence go to court. when there is not evidence, they do not. it's not complicated. and doesn't have anything to do with whether you are democrat or a republican. >> it seems like they painted themselves into a corner. they have nowhere to go, so the only thing they can do is echo what he's saying which is that none of it israel. when in reality, you've served in the senate and they know it israel. this was not joe biden. >> what is most damaging is what they are attacking. first they go after free and fair elections and say they are not there, even though none of the courts found evidence. if you do not win, it is rigged. so they are attacking people's faith in elections. now they are convincing americans that the rule of law is not fair and that is permanently damaging to our democracy and probably the worst thing he has done. >> for people who don't understand, it is worth articulating assorted independence of them attorney general. to insinuate he's pulling the strings in full county and manhattan and for people to understand how it functions, can you explain the relationship or lack thereof between someone like fani willis and merrick garland?>> merrick garland is the highest law enforcement agent in the federal system. he's the attorney general of the u.s. and part of the executive branch. we have state systems and state laws. he makes sure that federal laws are enforced. what trump was charged with in new york are state laws not federal. it's what happens in the state of new york. they are two separate systems. but to your point, most of the hearing today was the republicans trying to collapse those systems into one. and it is something for people who understand that these are separate things. and for those who are not paying attention and who are reading the news every day and those who understand these are separate systems, they will be confused and they will wonder why is it merrick garland responsible. he gave a firm push back. but it's not about whether or not the republicans are being hypocrites or their saying things that are not accurate, it's trying to control a message and make it last until the election and try to keep voters wanted to get out and vote.>> and its cynical that the american public is ignorant enough that they will by this that they will buy that hook line and sinker. and i wonder what your faith is in the engagement of american voters. because it seems like it's designed to help trump in november. >> one group of people is looking at the evidence and understanding -- let me just say something. i was a state prosecutor and i want them to leave me alone. most of the violent crime is prosecuted by state prosecutors. there is a natural friction between the systems much less that some elected prosecutors to let merrick garland tell them what to do. it's ludicrous. i would've told the attorney general to pound sand. so what's going on here is they want to get their side and so the base will vote. they understand how serious this is, but it's the disengaged people in between and getting convicted for felonies hurts trump with that group that is why you see this hair on fire. they are worried about the disengaged independent voters that have gone back and forth from people like barack obama and donald trump and now they are trying to fight for them to come back to donald trump.>> a unanimous jury decision, it cuts through the noise quite clearly. the legal troubles in and around trump are not dissipating. but there's also the state fake electors plot. i think the wisconsin attorney general indicted three mac trump aides. we have a federal case on this. trump is the named defendant. there's still uninvited co- conspirators who have not been named. do you think we will get more on the federal case around the fake electors in the coming months? >> i think we are talking about two different things. on the cases against trump, the federal cases the ones that merrick garland does ultimately oversee, one is a classified documents case in florida being held up indefinitely as the judge works her way as slowly as i've ever seen a judge work through a case. so there's that case and then the case about january 6th, it is now one of the most important pieces of whether or not he has immunity for any of his actions because he was the sitting president. that has been kicked up to the supreme court and that could drag on for quite a bit of time because one possibility is that rather than the court saying whether or not he is immune because of his behavior, the court could say instead, you know what, we are kicking this back down to the district court level. we want her to decide which he thinks was within the scope of his power as president and what was campaign behavior and that could be re-litigated and appealed and come back to us adding months and months and pushing it beyond election day. they are still things hanging over his head. to your other point the state cases is that they go after trump lawyers. case in wisconsin, two trump lawyers to go after the lawyers even if trip did win, you're looking at states using -- going after people that helped trump to break the law and it will make it difficult for him to find people who want to sign up for that job again. because we have state courts and federal courts. even if doj doesn't do it under trump, there are states that are willing to do things like this. >> the states plow ahead. and as we know the states are not working at the behest of the federal government thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. stay right here. i have so much more to talk to about. america's european allies are following the u.s. presidential election with high anxiety and they are sure they know who's going to win. president biden has officially called trump a convicted felon but behind closed doors. we will have more right after this break. shop etsy until june 16th and get up to 30% off father's day gifts that go beyond the classic go-to. save on personalized gear, and other things dads dig. when you want a one-of-a-kind gift to show him he's #1. etsy has it. ♪ limu emu... ♪ and doug. 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there is a debate in a few weeks and are we going to hear any of this? >> everyone knows his a convicted felon. it's not like anyone in america doesn't know that he was convicted. and i don't think joe biden needs to be the one to emphasize it. what he does need to do is stand up for the jurors and the institution. he needs to stand up for the institutions that have made our country wonderful and that is what trump is campaigning against. he is campaigning against the essence of our system. and that's what he needs to do. he needs to go after him in a way that is strong like he did in the state of the union. it is about strength and the strength of ameri, and donald trump thinking that we . and that's when he needs to be doing. >> do you think that kind of theoretical argument about the sanctity of democracy resonates more with the 10 people who will decide the election as opposed to do you really want a convicted felon running the country? >> i think it does. people are tired of the chaos and the drama. joe biden got to be president because people wanted a nice guy who believed in america and lift us up and not grind us down. trump wants everyone to be mad and everything is rigged and joe wants people to believe in the promise of this country. it is a stark contrast. if he does it with strength he will have more effect on the independent voters rather than harping on the convicted felon thing.>> your colleague from your alma mater at the new york times said that the more trump talks about the conviction and railing supporters against biden and the doj, the less he talks about immigration and inflation, the better it is for biden. he announced a very big executive order on immigration today. what do you make up the headline. what to make of the political calculations? >> that he needs to address the border because it seems chaotic and has done damage to him. he would have loved to of signed a bill that had come out of congress earlier this year. trump stymied that. so we had no choice. it's something that he can hold up at the debate and that the campaign trail when he is attacked on it and said i have taken a hard line on it. but the question is was this too late? i think the shorthand on the selection is straightforward. if in october it's about donald trump, biden has a good chance to win. and it's hard to recall a modern campaign where the major party nominees wanted the conversation to be about the other guy. go ahead.>> the headline in the new york times is that biden a drum -- biden adopts trump's stands. does he get any credit when he's adopting trump's line and policy on immigration? >> i don't think it loses him any post any votes. i don't think he will lose votes because he is adopted trump border tactics. i think it can firm up the middle ground a little bit. gives them something to say that i am taking steps to try to win back the voters in the middle who don't like what they're seeing. won't lose him any votes. i think he is so locked in with half the country because they don't want trump. spoke what do you think on the executive order? >> it was the right thing to do. he did it because he thought he would get a bill and then he did not. it will show the border gets shut down. and it's not like trump's policy. he won't separate children from their families and he's not singling out a religion and there are things he can emphasize about this that are not the same. they have more fentanyl in the border in the last years in the previous five combined.>> but isn't the point -- and you think saying it's not as taccone and as trump and will not undermine the thing he's trying to do? >> i do not think it will. there's a difference between thousands of people coming across the border and the influx of people into urban centers there is a difference between that and grabbing babies out of mother's arms.>> that is a stain on our national conference. we could talk about this for another four hours. thank you for making time tonight. can the transatlantic alliance survive another term of trump? we have new reporting on just this right after the break. summer. it's the hungriest time of year for kids across america. kids whose hardworking families are struggling to make ends meet. whether it's working the crazy hours so you can have enough money for food or, you know, just giving up things for your personal self, and it's just yeah, gotta feed your kids. far too many kids are missing the meals they need this summer. that's why i'm here now asking you to join me in helping end child hunger in america for just $0.63 a day. that's only $19 a month. you can help provide healthy meals to power kids through their days. they're growing at this age, and they need the best diet they can have. so please, call now or go online to helpnokidhungry.org right now give $19 a month, only $0.63 a day. and when you use your credit card, you'll get this special team t-shirt to show that you're helping kids build a brighter future for themselves and for the world. we want to ensure that all of our kids have healthy meals every day, and many of our parents and many of our communities are still suffering. it's very difficult to, you know, have a good family setting when we are worrying about having enough food for your family. you can help kids get healthy meals this summer and all year long. please join me in supporting no kid hungry today. for just $0.63 a day, only $19 a month. you can help provide healthy meals to kids across america and in your local community. thank you for giving. thank you for giving. thank you! families are struggling to make ends meet. these are hard times. so please call now or go online to give. did you know that if you shave, 1/3rd of what you remove is skin? 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talking to the u.s. that investor to estonia and you said he tried to make small talk about horticulture, but his gardener has other things on his mind. you traveled all over europe for this piece. can you talk about the level of interest in what the catalytic event for that interest was?>> i was taken aback by the fact that everywhere i went with most everyone i talked to at every level whether it was a foreign minister or a 23-year- old grad student, all of them were paying incredibly close attention to american politics, especially the u.s. presidential race. the catalytic event is they are terrified that trump will be elected again. time and time again the word that kept coming up was existential as an the stakes for this race are existential for europe and it's no secret why. trump has been clear that he's not a fan of nato an ace said privately and publicly that countries that are not paying what he considers their fair share deserved to be attacked by russia and for eastern european countries, i spent time in poland and estonia, that is a frightening thing to hear from the former leader of the most powerful ally to europe. and the fear of his return is causing all kinds of reconsiderations of the relationship with the u.s. in ways that i found jarring.>> i would assume russia invading ukraine would strike fear in the hearts of many people and the prospect of having someone in the oval office who is sympathetic to vladimir putin is probably terrifying. you mentioned that germany is planning for the possibility of a trump second term. talk more about their thinking and why they seem so positive that this is his race to lose. >> the german foreign ministry, after trump won the first selection and sometime in the middle of that first term, they realized they needed to rethink their approach to america. like a lot of western governments, they have plans for dealing with developments in places like china or russia. but because the alliance with the u.s. has been so close, they never felt like they had to do that. so they develop contingency plans for the outcome of the election. they have a plan for if joe biden wins. but most officials do not think joe biden will win. they have a plan for trump winning and in that plan it calls for figuring out which major issue sets will be destabilized by his return to power whether it's tariffs or ukraine or nato or climate change. and how they can get close to his confidence. they are mapping out his inner circle and figuring out their way in there. the thing that most struck me was that they are planning for a third scenario which is a sustained period of uncertainty about the outcome of the election. and widespread political violence. something like january 6th on a larger scale. german officials think it is a likely outcome, but given the instability, they feel it's not so outrageous that they should not plan for it. so they are making plans for how to respond. >> i think those of us -- we are old enough to remember 2020. it doesn't seem out of the ordinary. foreign counterparts, you speak about the undersecretary of political affairs from the state department she said the first trump election maybe people didn't understand who he was or it was an accident. a second election, we will never trust you again. i understand the sense of betrayal, but in terms of autocrats rising to power, europe has plenty of examples. today see trump as an extension of these or is this just an american phenomenon?>> they see trump as an extension of the same kind of right-wing nationalism that is giving a lot of western democracies in europe problems. but it's different when it happens in america. western european countries, european democracies have looked to america for decades as an aspirational democracy. the city on the hill. it sounds cheesy and easy to be cynical about it, but i was surprised by how often i encountered this idealistic sentiment about what role america is supposed to play in 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>> this is a legal advocacy organization with an expressly christian mission and focus on cases that blur the line between religion and politics in the public square. they were involved in blocking the contraceptive mandate under obamacare and they were the ones who saw and developed a major part of the strategy to overturn roe. what are book tracks and creates for the first time is the first narrative of how they did it. over what we are calling the final decade of the roe era. from state legislators all the way up to the supreme court. >> what is interesting, elizabeth, is the way in which the adf, as aggressive as it was, did not think the dobbs decision would be the final nail in the coffin for reproductive choice. can you talk about the negotiations happening behind the scene? >> sure. well, the right thinks of things in generations and they always have a plan to make sure no matter what contingency happened they would do whatever it took to overturn roe and that is something the left really missed. you have this deluge of laws coming through the state legislatures that adf ended up happening. the dobbs case ended up being behind getting that legislation passed with allies in states like mississippi. but the trick for them really was building strategies on strategies and making sure that no opportunity could go missed and that kind of big picture scope for long-term generational change is a completely different strategy than we have shown how the left operated over the same time period. >> it is really building these cases with legal outcomes in mind. i mean, the 15 week abortion ban of course is a principled fight, but it is not really about that. it is about how can we test the bounds of these laws and ways the supreme court will take them up and issue a ruling that is favorable -- >> it is public policy as litigation strategy. you think about a band that set a number of weeks, based in science or faith or some sense of morality or fetal development, but it was not based in those things. although they said there was science, it was purely the legal line at which adf felt could be the right entry point to have the best shot at having that decision overturned. so it is legal strategy. litigation strategy. >> they weren't gunning for it necessarily. it was the mississippi state solicitor general who was like, we are going to go for it all on this one. >> right. our book has some new, interesting details inside the room when these decisions were made in real time, which is such a window into legal strategy that so many people don't get to see. but the right, they kind of knew the broader changes that were happening. certainly with former president trump getting his justices. the question really was, which case will the supreme court take? when will they do that? the right, they never want to assume something until it is done. that is the game and they are very cautious, because the goal is to win. once the case was taken up it was like okay, this is go time and then there was a question of will the strategy be to ask for a full overturn as the first argument or will it be to uphold the mississippi law itself and then asked to overturn as the second? it was the mississippi attorney general's office that decided no, we are going to go for the whole thing, which shows the radicalization of this movement. this is not the same religious right, the same antiabortion movement of 30 years ago. >> the southern evangelicals weren't even sure they were against the decision initially, right? >> no, they supported it. >> lisa, adf is not done. the abortion fight goes on and the christian conservative cultural war continues. can you talk about their other priorities as we move forward? >> part of the reporting is internal strategy documents laying out the path forward and really for the antiabortion movement, roe was not the end. it was the beginning of the end and their goal is to eradicate abortion completely. a spiritual and moral fight. it is really beyond abortion itself. in some ways it is rolling back the sexual revelation. remaking or reverting what american families are. when you look at strategy documents you see efforts to challenge transgender rights, to challengemarriage. town meetings and in schools. that is really where they are headed and they have lower courts in many cases and certainly a supreme court that appears to be with them or maybe likely to be with them on these issues. >> they are trying to introduce parental rights back into the conversation. talking about free speech on college campuses. all of these things are in the zeitgeist if not actually legislative solutions being sought by conservatives at the state level. >> and when you understand the story of how roe fell, what was that? the legislation to courts to law and the pipeline. then you can understand okay, this make sense of these other big, cultural, transformative issues we are seeing play out. it is a blueprint. >> like i said, it is so comprehensive and the fact that you talk to the right about how they won the war or at least the battle, and makes it essential reading. elizabeth dias and lisa lerer, authors of the fall of roe, right now on book shelves and wherever you order books. however you want to

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