civilians as mistakes. how can the world and the u.s. except that? and the spain's minister of foreign affairs. shortly after becoming the first former president to be found guilty on felony charges, donald trump kicked off a meandering news conference with the familiar refrain. >> it is a rigged trial. it was a scam. everybody thought it was a rigged trial. >> rigged is his response to anything and everything that does not go his way. the reality is he's not upset because the trial against him was rigged. he's upset because it was not. trump is decrying not a corrupt individual or process but a person or process that is not corrupt or rigged enough to give them the results that he seeks. the guilty verdict was handed down by a jury following weeks of evidence and arguments from both sides. that is not a rigged result. that is the justice system at work. but you know what sounds like reading to me? mike johnson urging the supreme court to overturn trump's conviction. >> i do believe the supreme court should step in. this is unprecedented and dangerous to our system. the justices on the court, i think they're deeply concerned about that. i think they will set this straight. >> and trump got in on the action calling on the supreme court to intervene. the court, one third is made up of trump appointees is currently considering his claim of absolute immunity. which she with each day that passes, he wants to delay the trial further. there's also the classified documents case, which has been indefinitely postponed. this gamesmanship from trump appointed judges bears farmer resemblance to a corrupt a rigged process dan a trial by a jury of your peers. as it turns out, a jury is the only institution that has provided itself or proved itself resistant to the ex-president corrupting influence. if trump and his appointees are successful in delaying other quests for accountability until after the election, it will be the american people who decide his fate, this time at the ballot box in november. let's bring in my panel. editor in chief, host of a podcast and also joining us senior correspondent at fox and author of the agenda. it's good to see you again. i will start with you. despite trump ranting about a ridge trial, the truth of the matter is, he was treated better than most defendants. you had judge merchan practically bending over backwards to overlook his antics and social media harassment. his commentary against the judge and witnesses. what you make of his ever persistent victim complex. >> it's good to be back. you are right. he was treated better, not worse. none of us would've gotten away with 10 violations of the gag order it's absurd to say he was treated worse. when he says rigged, he's a loser. he does not like being a loser, which is what he fundamentally is. and when he loses he says it's rigged. when he lost the popular vote to hillary clinton he said it was rigged. when he lost the electoral college vote to joe biden he said it was rigged, and now he loses unanimously to a jury. and he says it is rigged again. 12 new yorkers found him guilty in rapid time. one of them gets their news from truth social and they found him guilty. this is the american justice system at play and the world's biggest loser and a manchild unable to deal with defeat at the ballot box and a jury. i would say to those on the left , some of my friends who are complacent about the return of donald trump next year, the idea that he will accept defeat in november is absurd. there is nothing in his nature. and, if he wins, there's nothing that says he will go quietly. he does not accept anything that makes him a loser.>> that is an important point about the history of using that word. and tonight there's a new piece in the washington post who looks into the use of the word. he says everything was rigged all the time with the frequency that would make a parent feel embarrassed at how often it was repeating itself. and we come we become used to this. but the frequency doesn't make it any less harmful to our democracy. we fallen into this trap of saying, he's just saying he's going to accept the results, but people like tim scott also say they are not going to accept the results of the election in november. >> i mean, the reality is that repetitive nature is strategic. when you say things multiple times, whether you're watching it on a cable news program, if you say it over and over again it gets into people's psyche. you want to plant a seed of reasonable doubt in the courtroom about whether or not everything is rigged against donald trump. he was given $1 million to start a business. so the fact is you use this word and it is parroted by the entirety of the republican party, which then places down people's minds and the minds of independent voters and some of the people who think to themselves, i never thought i would vote for a felon. so i think it's important for democrats to be able to say that you have a choice in the selection. do you want someone that is been found guilty on 34 felony counts you want someone that shows up for patriotism. do you want a man that was found guilty of sexual assault. they have shown that they are a cult and they show up in the same outfits and they parrot the talking points. >> tom cotton referred to the trial in new york as rigged. the interesting thing is you heard mike johnson calling on the supreme court openly to intervene. not even looking for and appeals process. he has tried to clean those comments up since. >> i've not had conversations with the justices. i just know their personality and they are deeply concerned about maintaining our system of justice. they are concerned about maintaining the idea. it's a necessary ingredient. i think they are concerned about using courtrooms for politics. >> apparently he now has a new job as the spokesperson for the supreme court justices. he saying he knows that they are concerned about this. is that your perception that they are deeply concerned with maintaining the system of justice? >> i guess i agree with half of what he said. i think there are many justices , at least two who are very concerned that the leader of their political party was found guilty of a felony and are very interested in lifting the stigma from the leader of their political party. we've had three weeks of conversation about the flags and i don't think the flags would be such a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that i've covered him on the court for 12 years, and he always votes with the republican party. there is no nuance. we've seen clarence thomas and his billionaires. i want to be clear. i don't know if there are five votes on the supreme court to say, well, we don't want donald trump being a convicted felon because that means our party won't win the election. but there are zero votes on the supreme court that think that. the courts have become way too politicized. >> speaker johnson said he's concerned about using courtrooms for politics. this guy literally went -- had a press conference in front of his trial dressed in a bright red tie to project maga to the world. >> given what you've pointed out that cultists turned out in matching clothes, i should point out that we did not coordinate our jackets and shirts today. as much as i love you, i'm not part of the cold. on the issue of projection, the republican party is the master. projection does not do it justice. this is a political movement that came to power on the basis of current law corrupt. and i'm sorry that i have such a long memory. he posted a picture on twitter of a bunch of democrats and his own deputy attorney general behind bars. hillary and obama and eric holder are all behind bars. this is the sitting president. can you imagine if biden posted a picture like that? this party is based to where they want to lock up anthony fauci. they will lock up everyone. and blame them because they think everyone else is like them. ironically, joe biden has gone out of his way to not be involved in this. there democrats urging joe biden to speak more about his criminal conviction. he should be posting on twitter every morning and every night that my opponent is a felon. the great irony of this party that is about locking people up, we don't have the words. >> do not go anywhere. coming up next another supreme court flag controversy, including the choice by justice alito to blame his wife. liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. that's great. i know, i've bee telling everyone. baby: liberty. oh! baby: liberty. how many people did you tell? only pay for what you need. jingle: ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ baby: ♪ liberty. ♪ an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source. voltaren, the joy of movement. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. 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what does this expose? >> about a year ago they released this ethics code as the first time they'd ever released an ethics code. and we know that it is weaker than their obligation under a federal statute. he cited a provision of the ethics code that says there is a presumption against recusal. that is not with the federal statute says. and the other thing we know about is it's just unenforceable. they get to decide whether or not they will follow the code. the problem i have with justice alito, his own description of why these flags went up is so embarrassing that i'm inclined to believe him because who would admit to that? the problem is his record on the court. he's the most pro-prosecution justice, except when the defendant is donald trump or a defendant from january 6. his record is so partisan that you look at the whole thing in the whole thing has impropriety. but he said he had nothing to do with this and not to sound like a broken record. but the irony of saying it was his wife and she can choose whatever she does, what you make of his argument for not recusing himself and putting the blame solely on his wife as what happens in the household is not an indicator for why he should be recusing himself. >> you have to love family values. throw your wife under the bus. they blame their wives. but i would say that he's a longtime liar. he's lied for many years. he went to ted kennedy and said i will never vote to overturn roe v wade. he lied at the time and kennedy did not vote for him. he lied about every aspect of this flag story. he said it was the neighbor fighting with his wife about trump. that altercation came in february of 2001. he said it was put up because people were putting yard signs near school bus pickup where kids could see it. schools were closed because of the pandemic. and he said it's about his neighbors. then we found the christian nationalist flag. who does he blame that one on? it seems he has an affinity for these flags that suggest he supports insurrection and trump. the idea that he will rule in the trump immunity case is an insult to our intelligence and it is an undermining of our justice system and have reckless democrats are. dick durbin was asked if he will hold hearings he said i don't think there's much to be gained from hearings. are you kidding? holding a justice to account. how about holding the entire supreme court? it is absurd that even when the democrats are in charge they cannot hold this pro insurrection supreme court to account. >> i was going to say that the democrats are not doing enough. maybe not even doing anything besides a letter. that there's no follow-up. there's no fresher. is no comment from the president to use his position to bring about some responsibility to the supreme court in violation of what most legal experts would agree is unethical behavior. spec the fact is is this is what democrats do. the reason why they act the way they do is because they know that democrats won't do anything about it because they are more afraid of appearance than they are prosecuting the case and that republicans sitting on this supreme court are either drifting out right or their flying flags. if, for instance, but if one of the liberal justices were to be flying a black lives matter flag at their home or and lgbtq pride flag in front of their home, what you think fox news and maga would be doing? i think the democrats would get on the bandwagon and say they need to recuse themselves or step down because even in this day and age when we know that trump, vis-@-vis this court case lied to the american people and lied about his character and paid off a star and was able to point three justices, we are still not using this as an opportunity, which is what a hearing is. it's to tell a narrative to the american people. and at this point they want to send a letter? give me a break. >> i have to get ian's thoughts on this. i want to know what you think about this. after the new york times published a report, the washington post said they learned about the flag controversy more than three years ago and then decided not to report on it because it seemed to be the work of his wife. they called it cautious and deferential. what you make that decision and do you agree with the assessment of the editorial approach as deferential to the justices? >> i think that reporters are responding to the public attitude and how it has shifted. a lot of the scandals that were reported about clarence thomas, i reported on in 2011. and i borrowed from a lot of reporting done in 2004. so a lot of these scandals have been known for a long time. what has changed is after the shenanigans that republicans engaged in to make sure they had a majority, after the dobbs decision and the court has showed itself as a partisan figure, there is an appetite not just for, okay, what decision did they hand down today, there is an appetite for political scandal journalism. there is an appetite for covering them as if they are members of congress. i think it is a good thing, but it's also new. i reported a lot of this 12 years ago and it went away. it's not going away now. >> is great to see all three of you. next time maybe the pocket square. >> next time we will both just wear red ties. time and time again israel excuses the deaths of civilians as a mistake. but how long will the u.s. let that fly? 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>> we believe in a two state solution and we have to do everything to protect it. recognition falls into that perspective. we know that the hope of the palestinian people to have their own state is completely interlinked with legitimate security guarantees. so only by promoting two state solution will we get piece for both the israelis and the palestinians and the whole middle east. and it is time we stopped talking about a two state solution and start to put it in place. that's why we have to have the recognition. and they cannot be condemned to be refugee people forever. and human dignity where we see 1200 palestinian killed in a day. 35,000 and we don't know how many more tomorrow. it is high time that we unite forces. >> when you say to critics who say this is about words if it doesn't have any consequence for israel defying the spanish government's recognition or the international community recognition? you have an overwhelming majority of the world countries that recognize palestine as a state. a growing number of european countries as well. but if there is no consequence for israel to maintain their occupation, they will continue to go on. >> that is why since the beginning we've been calling for an immediate cease-fire. for the release of hostages and access of humanitarian assistance to the population of gaza. and now we are asking israel to obey international law. first international humanitarian law in gaza, secondly, to obey the codes that says that the military operation in rafah must stop immediately. and this is for everyone including israel. i want to recall that the international court of justice is a body of the united nations charter. >> you talked about international law. the international criminal court has indictments against the prime minister of israel and other israeli officials as well as senior members of hamas. we know that the united states congress has invited netanyahu to address congress. if you were to come to spain, with the government arrest him and other officials?>> what has happened is that the prosecutor of the international criminal court has requested that decision. but it has not been taken. spain supports the international criminal court as does the international kodi justice. we are a founding member and we will support any ruling that the issue. >> i wanted to ask you, the israeli government has reprimanded spain for their decision to recognize a palestinian state. they've even imposed restrictions on your consulate in jerusalem. i want to give you chance to respond to what they've done toward your decision to recognize a palestinian state. what do you make out of that saying you are siding with hamas and enabling what happened on october 7th. >> it is ridiculous and false. we clearly have condemned the terrorist attack. we called for the immediate release of hostages, and we know that a two state solution is to the benefit of israel because it's the only solution that will give security and permanent normalization. i know very well that he tries to intimidate us. i know he's trying to provoke us. i don't do foreign policy through twitter. i respect the diplomatic codes and the international law. >> thank you so much for your time. i really appreciate it.>> thank you very much. back after quick rate. th n o e they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. ♪♪ chevy trucks' advanced camera technology lets you see over, under, through, down, and any other direction you may need. ♪♪ up to eight available cameras and fourteen views. ♪♪ so you can focus on the view that really matters. don't miss a thing. chevy's got you. chevrolet. together let's drive. i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all day long. 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