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This hour, the flag. You are doing flags . I did the flag. I cant, i just cant. I cant, i cant. Clear another flag . Another one. Timeshare, do we need to know about it . We will see. Check the basement, check the attic, thank you, my friend. You can see a lot of trump 2020 flags, but do you see the white flag there on the left of your screen with thele image of a pi tree onim it . If you see it . If you look closely you can see appeal to heaven across the top. Now, heres another image of another one of those flags being flown on january 6th, and heres another one. Multiple rioters waved that flag that day. The flag itself dates back to the American Revolution but like the gadsten flag also known as the dont tread on me flag, its Revolutionary History has been obscured byor its contemporary significance. The Appeal To Heaven Flag has become the new banr for the christian fundamental wing of trumps stop the steal movement, and that is thanks to this guy, dutch sheets. Yes, i know that sounds like the name Ofat A Linens Company in t netherlands, but its actually a person. Dutch sheets is a prominent Evangelical Minister on the right. Heres how he was o described o pbs news hourbe back in februar of this year. Dutch sheets is perhaps the most Ard Want Trump supporter. Hes the one who may have done the most of any christian leader in the United States to mobilize folks to try to overturn the 2020 election and to make sure to attend january 6th. Over the last ten years the Appeal To Heaven Flag has been popularized by dutch sheets. Dutch sheets sees the Appeal To Heaven Flag as a symbol of christian revolution. If you look closely at january 6k th you will see dozens of Appeal To Heaven Flags. It may have a long history, but in the contemporary Context It Hasor a very specific meaning. And dutch sheets has presented this Appeal To Heaven Flagen to a number of conservate figures over the years. He gave one to former alaska governorme sarah palin. He wrapped a conservative candidate for Indiana C Governo in the flag earlier this year. But even if sheets isnt the one gifting it, this flag is very much in circulation. Speaker of the house mike johnson has displayed one of those flags outside of his congressionalou office. In october 2020 donald trump atemded a megachurch service in las vegas where He Wash Presend with his owns Appeal To Heaven Flag. Its flown somewhat under the radar for a lot of people or most people, but in the past decade the Appeal To Heaven Flag has come to be associated with the Christian Nationalist Movement here in america. And since November Of 2020 it has come to be associated with the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, which is what makes this all so shocking. Heres the New York Times headline from just a few hours ago. Another provocative flag was flown ate another alito home. Photographs obtained by the times on four separate dates show the Appeal To Heaven Flag was flown over the new jersey Vacation Home of Supreme Court Justice Samuel alito in the summer of 2023. This was not done surreptitiously. You can see it on google street view. Heres aog picture of the house taken last august. A Supreme Court justice proudly flying the flag of Christian Fundamentalests and government insurrections in frontgo of his home in daylight for everyone to see even google. And eits not the first time. Five days ago the New York Times discovered another symbol of the january 6th movement, an upside down american flag, flew over Justice Alitos home days after the capitol insurrection. Justice alito blamed that incident on his wife, say she ran the flag up the pole after a dispute with their neighbors, which is not a usual thing. For the record Justice Alito has not yet given an explanation as to why yet another Flag Associated with y the insurrectn is flying over yet another one of his homes. And it should be noted at the time this Appeal To Heaven Flag was flying over the justices home the Supreme Court was actively consideringas cases involving january 6th defendants. In August Of 2023 several january 6th defendants had informed the Supreme Court of their intention to challenge the constitutionality of a federal crime theyd been charged with, obstruction of an official proceeding. Itsof a crime donald trump has also been charged with by the special counsels office. And whenco that case finally ca before these court for oral arguments, this was the tenor of Justice Alitos questions. So weve had a number of protests in the courtroom. Lets say that today five people get up one after the other and they shout either keep the january 6th Insurrectionists in jailsu or free the january 6th patriots. And as a result of this our Police Officers have to remove them force faebl from the courtroom. Would that be a violation . I think its in a fundamentally different posture than if they hadff stormed into thisth courtroom, overrun the Supreme Court police, required the justices and other participants to plead for their safety and done so with clear evidence what happened on January 6th Wasar very, very serious, and i not equating this with that. What happened on january 6th was very, very serious. The man who had a Flag Associated with that insurrection flying over at least two of his properties. The New York Times reports that when they visited Justice Alitos Vacation House on wednesday of this week the flagpole wasek bear. So the flag is now gone, but the work of this court continues. Joining me now is mitual goldberg, the New York Times Opinion Columnist and author of kingdom coming, the rise of christian nationalism. Mitual, what was your reaction when you saw this headline . I mean, on the one hand completely predictable, right . Justice ctalito is exactly the person that a lot of us thought he was. My colleague jamelle buoy wrote this column about how hes not a fox news producer, hes a fox news watcher. He has a lot of opinions to a lot of other crankish men in their 70s. He happens to have lifetime unaccountable power over the constitution of the United States and has beenti extremely contentious of any efforts to not just rein in that power but enact a code of ethics on the Supreme Court. Its worth pointing out the Supreme Court just under Pressure Justsu adopted a code ethics that said that justices should recuse themselves, and i dont know if im going to get the language exactly right, but when it can be reasonably inferred, like when there might be reasonable doubts to their impartiality, how can anyone reasonably believe Justice Alito is remotely capable of being impartial around a cause he cannot resist that he feels so strongly about he cant restrain himself from flying banners over multiple properties . You know, mark Justice Alitos wife was blamed for the first flag incident. Ie thought it was very telling that theth justice had nothing say to the New York Times when asked for comment. What is your sort of immediate assessment of how damaging this is to the public . Well, i think the justice was caught redhanded on this one and not going to be able to shove off blame to his wife. My Immediate Reaction is this is, of course, a terrible look for alito, a terrible look for the Supreme Court on the eve of yet another day when the justices will be handing down opinions. Tomorrow morning at 10 00 a. M. We will be a getting major opinions in cases that could involve things like abortion and gun control, and alito may well be providing the deciding vote in some of those cases, and they should now well know the guy who tipped the scales one way or another in some of those cases also flew t a flag intimately associated with the insurrection at his beach house. But i just want to say i feel like whats so damning here is that Justice Alito has clearly broken the sort of implicit contract that the Supreme Court makes with the United States of america and its citizenry. You know, the Supreme Court justices are supposed to act with dignity and honor and impartiality not just because they derive their legitimacy from the simple black robes that show theyre just normal judges dispensing justice, but because when they go badly awry, we cant do anything about it. We cant vote them out of office, we cantem recall them. Theresec virtually nothing the American People can do about a justicedo whos gone as lawless and rogue as samuel alito has. It can beit compared to the british monarchy. H the reason it still exists in its current form is because Queen Elizabeth was able to preserve this image of integrity and decency for so long and the public respected it. Alito istialitiesering those efforts by the rest of the Supreme Court or some of the rest of the Supreme Court. Re its not going to lead to a good place for them because, again, that really is the only place they derive their power from. When they lose respect, they lose authority. Yeah, thats such a good point, mark. It also feels like hes doing it because he can, because he knows that there is no accountability. Right. It is owning the libs in the most spectacular fashion. Right. Its like whos going to stop me. Markwh to talkedin about the implicit bargain, but part of Trumpism Hasrt always been to disregard all those implicit bargains, all those norms. Its always been whos going to stop me. Justice alito clearly could care less about whether his exercise of power is seen as legitimate in the eyes of people who disagree with him. I think thats where it ties in Justice Alito is a catholic, a new species of pept costallism. In they see the right to rule for certain citizens and a sort of lesser citizenship for everyone else, i think it very much fits in with this. Who cares . It doesnt matter if you think im fair or just or my authority is wellexercised i have it, you dont. Not even trying to cloak it in some other broader notion of jurisprudence. Mark, the assumption at this current hour is notsp much can done about this. We know Chuck Schumer i believe this was earlier today before this the New York Times story broke suggested he was discussing where to go from here with senator dick durbin whos the chair of the senate judiciaryhe committee. Practically speaking all roads lead to john roberts if anything meaningful is actually going to be g done . Or do you think congress can enact something and i say that with an eye role not intentionally but reflexively. I think its very unfortunate when senators on the democratic side say, well, we wont really be doing anything about this because we d dont have any meaningful h options. Theyll ignore our subpoenas and laugh in our face. That only feeds into this arrogance that Justice Alito is riding high on right now, the sense as michelle noted hes above everything, he flaunted it and in our faces. He does not have anyone in his circle to puncture this sense that he is above all public criticism andve equal to trump a sense that no one can stop him because he has this sort of unlimited power. And i think that if democrats dont even bother to try to puncture that sense of immunity he has, if democrats give up and say we tried and thats going to get alito even more to the right and that is going to come out in his decisions. Decisions ing his become increasingly unhied. His questions from the bench ari deranged at this point. His opinions b are infused with Radical Christian nationalism. If all democrats can muster in response is a shrug hell continue in that dangerous direction. So well said. And not the irony the danger of a judge acting with immunity on thect eve of potentially instilling o in the next president , potentially donald trump absolute immunity. I mean the idea of a Representative Democracy appearing to dissolveem before r very eyes, and mark brings up and you bring up the infusion of christian nationalism. When you look whats happening in congress, you look whats happening ingr the legislative branch and the judicial branch, two branches of our government have become hot beds of christian fundamentalism. Right. And i think the same thing will follow the Executive Branch if donald trump is reelected. He already has plans to bring in a whole entourage of people. Ee might be christian nationalallest in term of his beliefs he has plans to remake or the people around him have plans to remake the entire Executive Branch. And this is just a tiny example of what that looks like. Its completely unaccountable. Yes, we have norms and standards before, but You And What Army is going to enforce them . You know, mark, in the context of the broader history of the t court, this has been t project of the rightwing since ronald reagan. What is so astounding and to some degree appalling is the way it is in full flower 40 years later a dedicated effort to dissolve social progress, the dissolve the barrier between church and b state almost seems complete on a nightta like this. Absolutely. Great lesson they imparted is if you capture the courts you dont even have to win elections. You know, passing laws through democracy is really unwieldy. It takes forever, its expensive, and those laws can be repealed, those lawmakers can be voted out. But when a judge does it, well, if you cant get that overturned onet appeal, thats just the la of the land, and it may stay that way for decades. It does feel on a night like tonight the project has succeeded, bute ill say for my decades the conservative Legal Movement felt they were felling. It took them nearly 50 years to overturn roe. If theytu arent playing the lo game thenyi they really arent playing to win at all. Thank you all for joining me on this unbelievable evening tonight. I appreciate it. We have a lot to get to this evening including a new rightwing attempt to make joe biden into an t assassin. Plus trumps latest rival and last rival for the republican president ial nomination finally broke her silence today and did the thing everyone else in her party is doing. Thats next. Doing thats next. With absorbine pro, pain wont hold you back from your passions. Its the only solution with two maxstrength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. So, do your thing like a pro, painfree. Absorbine pro. And theyre all coming . Those who are still with us, yes. Grandpa whats this . Your wings. Light em up gentlemen, its a beautiful. Day to fly. Donald trump is turning the Republican Party into his own playpen where its all about him. But times change and so has trump. Hes gotten more unstable and unhinged. So you can vote for him all day long and he can come out of this primary, but he wont win a general. If you mock the service of a combat veteran, you dont deserve a drivers license let alone being president of the United States. He showed that with that kind of disrespect for the military, hes not qualified to be the president of the United States because i dont trust him to protect them. No matter what donald trump thinks he cant bully his way to the white house. Its not going to work. Thats what it sounded like when nikki haley was challenging donald trump for the republican president ial nomination. And this is what it sounded like today. Trump has not been perfect on these policies. I have made that clear many, many times. But biden has been a catastrophe, so i will be voting for trump. Joining me now is mark leibovich, staff writer at the atlantic. Mark, like the air going out of a balloon, i was struck by the feebleness of this are we calling it an endorsement i guess we are. Did this strike you as a sort of planned event, a planned set of remarks for nikki haley this afternoon . It was clearly planned because shes not said anything for a number of weeks and even months now, and i guess this was anticipated in so much as we would see finally what she was going to do. I wouldnt call it a surprise. I certainly wouldnt call it a full throated endorsement. I think her actually using the word catastrophe next to joe biden is actually quite devastating to the biden campaign. The thing about haley is you can do the Greatest Hits of flipflops on pretty much every republican theres like a 2016 version, 2020 version. Haley has one from 2021, 2022, 2023. Shes really illustrious, and you just had a good sample here. Shes voted for trump. And she obviously still has a lot of people voting for her. The question is does she control those votes . I think thats what made her words today quite important and potentially quite harmful to the biden campaign. Could you elaborate on that on whether she controls her supporters, because she did in this support sorry, she was going to support trump but did not yet know whether her supporters would support trump and encouraged him to continue his outreach to them. But to your point is nikki haley calling biden a catastrophe enough to move that 20 of the Electorate Voting for the ghost candidate nikki haley on these current primaries. Is that enough to move them back into the arms of donald trump . Probably not, but i mean catastrophe is a very strong word. I mean she didnt have to go after biden that hard. She could have said i dont like this choice at all, he has not been perfect. And then of course she says he needs to reach out to and thats not going to happen, and id be surprised i would be surprised if donald trump were gracious in the face of this quasiendorsement from nikki haley. And frankly unstrategic thing which would be an embrace here. Mark, what does it tell you about the future of the Republican Party even if trump loses in november . I think its still worth noting mitch mcconnell, bill barr, ted cruz, these people who had sharp words for donald trump if not, you know, never trumpers have all capitulated and now nikki haley, who i think a lot of people pinned their hopes on as a sort of person that could be the next jen ration of the Republican Party if Donald Trumps latest bid ends in failure again. But as of today i mean what happens to the gop . Its really, its dispiriting for people who are biased on the side of normalcy, ill say that. I dont quite know what posttrump american future nikki haley is waiting for. This is year number eight of that. Thats not happening anytime soon. If it did, i cant imagine a lot of people will be flocking to her. Between today the last couple of days and the racist stuff about the judge, the unified reich thing. They have this trope around i like a lot of his policies and you drill down and say what policies are those. The child separation policies, end obamacare, on ukraine. Nikki haley she was almost heroic in her support of ukraine, quite alone in the republican field. And donald trump we know what side hes on here. It is dispiriting. Frankly, what always gets me is the people who know better. I think nikki haley knows better but disappointing she wept after biden. I think it deserves just a moment to unpack what catastrophic might mean to nikki haley as a former u. N. Ambassador, as someone who has a hawkish position, who is decidedly at odds an a substantive level with everything donald trump supports whether thats leaving nato, whether thats not funding ukraine, whether thats being in the pocket of russia, its hard to imagine how biden is worse than trump on any single piece of meaningful policy and yet biden is the catastrophe. I would say afghanistan and she did talk a lot about the border. The border is the goto issue a lot of republicans will use. You can drill down and you wonder what about trumps policy, the wall he didnt build, the child separation thing. They usually dont have a good answer for that, but thats always a top three issue these days, so thats always the first thing people go to. Look, if biden lose said to trump its a catastrophe, its an absolute catastrophe. I dont think thats what nikki haley meant. I think nikki haley probably would find it more catastrophic if her ambition were thwarted on this level at all. But, you know, look, its very disappointing, not at all surprising. Yes, i absolutely agree. I never thought we were headed under any other outcome other than this, but it doesnt make it any less appalling. Mark leibovich from the atlantic, my friend its always good to see you. Thanks so much. 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Today one of trumps codefendants in that case, his body man, walt nouta, was in court trying to get the case tossed out, which wasnt shocking. What was shocking was one of the two photos showing walt nouta moving boxes all around maralago. But that wasnt the shocking revelation from fox news. They also contained information classified documents were found in Donald Trumps bedroom four months after the fbi searched maralago. But, again, nothing from fox news on that revelation. Instead the revelation that shocked fox news was this. Bidens politicized attorney general Merrick Garland at joe bidens weaponized doj actually authorized get this the use of deadly force during that august 2022 raid at maralago. Now, the issue here is that this is not true. The language in the maralago Search Warrant was at boiler plates, words used in every fbi Search Warrant. It wasnt slipped in by the department of justice for this one search. But yesterday after these filings were unsealed, here was the fundraising email donald trump cept his followers. Its just been revealed that bidens doj was authorized to use deadly force for their despicable raid in maralago. Joe biden is locked and loaded ready to take me out. Reality would suggest otherwise. The fbi used kid gloves when they searched maralago. The agency informed the Secret Service in advance of its search. They used plain clothed officers to spare trump as much embarrassment as possible, and crucially they planned this search for when they knew trump was in new york, more than 1,000 miles away. Despite all those facts, rightwing media is picking up this vibe that joe bide wanted to Kill Donald Trump down at maralago, and they are running with it. This was an attempted Assassination Attempt on donald john trump. Why was Merrick Garland prepping for a possible, what, shootout . Maybe they wanted the engagement of physical force. Deadly force, does that mean joe biden was authorizing the fbi to if it came to that and he resisted arrest, it would be okay to Kill Donald Trump . Its not just rightwing media thats pushing this lie. Congressman paul gosar tweeted biden ordered the hit on trump at maralago. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene tweeted the biden doj and fbi were planning to assassinate President Trump and gave the green light. President biden was not trying to kill his political rival, but you know who doesnt think thats a bad idea . Donald trump. His lawyers literally argued before the Supreme Court that as President Donald Trump should be allowed to assassinate his political rivals. And where was the rightwing shock then . Congressman dan goldman joins me to discuss all of nis coming right up next. Man joins me to discuss all of nis coming right up next. Hi, im kevin, and ive lost 152 pounds on golo. I had just left a checkup with my doctor, and id weighed in at 345 pounds. 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What donald trump said falsely suggesting his political opponents are out to kill him is Beyond The Pale and is the stuff that leads to Political Violence. Everyone who was here on january 6th should immediately see what hes doing, what donald trump is doing. Using Conspiracy Theories to spin the hard right into a frenzy. This is how people get killed, how the seeds of Political Violence are sowed, and how people lose faith in this democracy. Donald trump has no faith in that. I first want to get your reaction to a video trump released earlier today accusing joe biden of being, quote, the real threat to our democracy. What do make of that . Well, look, i think donald trump and his republican minions in the house consistently project and accuse democrats of doing exactly what they are doing. Theres, of course, no evidence that joe biden has done anything antidemocratic, anything to abuse the rule of law, abuse our Criminal Justice system. In fact, that is what donald trump has done and has promised to do in the future. So this is a way that donald trump tries to normalize authoritarian and fascist rhetoric so that it becomes accepted within at least the farright public and even beyond that to some degree. And it is completely unacceptable, and it must be rejected. And the problem, alex, is that there are no republicans who are speaking out and saying that this is unacceptable. And this is how nazi germany became nazi germany is that no one spoke out. And at some point we are going to need republicans because we democrats can say it all day long, donald trump doesnt care, he actually thinks its to his advantage. But were going to need republicans to call out this completely unacceptable aept democratic authoritarian ret retric and say this is just not what happens in this country whether or not you have policies i like or dont like. We are not going to go down this road, but no one will do that. You mentioned that, and we just played some tweets from marmg r. A. Taylor greene and paul gosar who responded to this crazy paranoid conspiracy so quickly. And i was really struck by the metabolism now the way they circulate faster than before. Not only are republicans not speaking out about it, they are adopting it as, you know, gospel in a matter of minutes, hours. Do you can you talk a little bit about the way this stuff has made its way into the halls of congress within a 24hour period . Well, look, Marjorie Taylor greene and her qanon views would have been completely laughed out of congress in 2018. Now she is mainstream republican at this point. And she and paul gosar who have a crazy extremist racist antisemitic beliefs are now credited as being legitimate maga republicans because donald trump has adopted them for his own political expediency. But we cannot move the spectrum to the point where Marjorie Taylor greene and paul gosar become normalized. And theyre not normalized just simply because they support donald trump, but that is where this Republican Party is. And that is why it is so dangerous. Now, what they say has no relationship to the facts of anything, but they have a pulpit, and they have increasing amounts of powerp in this congress. And in a mere six years Marjorie Taylor greene has emerged as the face of the Republican Party. And that should scare everyone whether youre republican or democrat. Yeah, and its not just the sort of domestic concern over all of this. Theres also geopolitical concern. Moscow, the kremlin propaganda machine, has picked up on this and is having a field day with this. Their head leans. Fbi planned to Kill Donald Trump, details revealed in the usa. I mean this is playing directly into Vladimir Putins hands, congressman. Marjorie taylor greene, if shes not getting paid for being a russian agent, shes missing out on money because it is so clear that she is parroting russian propaganda on the house floor in the United States. You have the chairman of the house intelligence committee, republicans who are saying the same thing. And what people do not seem to understand is that Marjorie Taylor greene is simply moving the overton window, shes moving the rhetoric so far to allow donald trump to come bebehind her. But they are simpatico. They are hand in glove right now. Theres no question donald trump has visions as we saw from his video with the unified reich, which was a completely knowing and intentional inclusion in that video lets be real here. He is paving the way to become a Vladimir Putin or to become an Adolph Hitler or a kim jongun. Thats what he wants to be. And all of this is in the leadup to paving the way for him to win this election and then to take over this country and literally to eliminate the democracy that we know. When you speak of the elimination of democracy and the fact you sat on the house judiciary committee, i have to ask if you have a reaction to the Bombshell Reporting Tonight that justice amual alito has been flying an insurrection flag over his beach house, the second instance of far right propaganda appearing in front of a justices home. Do you have thoughts on that . Oh, i have a lot of thoughts on that, alex. Hank johnson and i from georgia led a letter yesterday signed i think by close to four dozen democrats to Justice Alito calling on him to recuse himself because of the initial upside down stop the steal flag signal, political statement that was hanging from his house. And it doesnt matter why it was there or what it was there, he conceded that it was a political statement, and it is against the ethics rules even the nonbinding ethics rules of the Supreme Court for anyone to make for a justice to make a political statement. Now, he then is hearing cases related to the same conduct. That is as clear a Conflict Of Interest as you can imagine for a judge. And if he doesnt recuse himself, he is jeopardizing the absolute legitimacy of the Supreme Court. Then today we learned that it wasnt an isolated incident. He cant just blame it on his wife. He now has another flag that is promoting donald trump and the effort to overturn the 2020 election. I will say this. If Justice Alito does not recuse himself from the Trump Immunity Case and the Fisher January 6th case he will do irreparable damage to the Supreme Court, and chief Justice Roberts must step in and make sure he does not have any role in deciding these cases because the entire legitimacy of the Supreme Court will be eviscerated. Congressman dan goldman, its great to hear from you tonight. Thanks for your time, sir. Still ahead this evening one day after donald trump indicated a willingness to restrict access to contraception, Senate Democrats have taken steps to protect Birth Control and Senate Republicans seem unwilling to follow their lead. That story is next. Illing to follow their lead. That story is next try Dietary Supplements from voltaren, for healthy joints. Her uncles unhappy. Try Dietary Supplements from voltaren, im sensing an underlying issue. Its tmobile. It started when we tried to get him under a new plan. But they they unexpectedly unraveled their price lock guarantee. 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Trump was asked were going to look at our Contraception Policy and have a policy on that very shortly. Things really do have a lot to do with the states. That was yesterday and then today it was were not trying to restrict access to Birth Control. Theres a gray area in there if youre a republican. You have the morningafter pill, any number of contraceptive measures could be up for grabs. How dangerous are we . In what territory are we in right now . Incredibly dangerous territory. And to be clear we were in that territory as soon as the roe fall. The fall of roe and dobbs opened up pandoras box, all these metaphors. If you have an ideology life begins at conception, thats the root cause, the root goal for these folks really about power and control of our bodies. If you believe in theology and the majority of republicans do and mike johnson and hundreds of republicans in the house signed onto legislation stating that life begins at conception, this is how we got down this rabbit hole in iv fp mchb weve always known in our movement Birth Control is the end game. Its like the Believability Gap they had around roe. Its really hard to believe because Birth Control was so popular. Everyone uses it, right, just like iergsvf is becoming ubiquitous in society. Its really hard to believe a rational person would be aept Birth Control. When you understand what these extremes are and theyve been building towards this movement, it is less shocking. And well see in the senate vote how many republicans cross over. In the house they didnt. When you talk about the senate, the senate vote that Chuck Schumer is calling for, its failed before. Theyve tried to protect contraception before and its failed. And in the house. And in the house as you mentioned. I do wonder that given the polling 17 of americans in Battleground States do not 17 believe biden is responsible for the fall of roe. It feels like theres a messaging gap, and it feels like efforts like the one schumer is spearheading in the senate are kind of a necessary corrective to all of that, to remind people of where the parties stand on basic issues of reproductive freedom. Its a brilliant move by leader schumer, its super smart. Theyre doing contraception and ivf votes at the same time to score points. You might have seen ted cruz and katie britt their own idea of legislation and Tammy Duckworth she made it clear again unless youre directly addressing ivf, Birth Control, its all distraction on their part. But it fells you that theyre running scared. Its really important that Senate Democrats draw this line. Its also important that we keep repeating as allies to the administration and democrats that this is the disaster that trump wrought. Most voters arent paying close attention. We know that. We know we can persuade them when he bragged about overturning roe, its effective bought weve got to keep repeating it over and over again. We cant repeat it enough. I would assume and you can tell me otherwise that Birth Control is widely supported in the United States. Its incredibly popular. The majority of americans including republicans and independents. The fact were even talking about it is wild. Yes, its very popular. And contraception it feels like the place to go if the abortion argument isnt resonating, basic contraception as something the republicans cant bring themselves to support feels like Fertile Ground for republicans to make their case. No pun intended. Pardon pun its late. Thank you for enlightening us and reminding us of the stakes coming up. That is our show for tonight. Way too early with Jonathan Lemire is coming up next. Supreme Court Justices are supposed to be reproach and above politics, and i am sad, really sad and shocked to say that Justice Alito rapidly showing himself to be unfit to serve on the United States Supreme Court