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So i was in the courtroom for the moment you really wanted to be. You had to be in the courtroom. It was astonishing. Im going to describe it here when we get started. But rachel, ive got three Exclamation Points in my notes beside the clear the courtroom line, which was you know the judge, youve been in that room with him. Hes the dial tone, an even keel guy. Hes the most minor mannered judge. Most judges are fair as you could see that right away. Its one of the greatest things that they cant see how fair and even tempered he is. And so when he says something, which he did, wow, thatll change that room. I do not want to undercut your she, but can i have you an objective experience . When he said clear the courtroom, was it clear to you that it meant you . Knowing that they would need to get out to run out. And half of them did not think that it would show up and i knew right away what he wanted and is that comes from a lifetime of experience of being in courtrooms. And in that lifetime, which happened to Criminal Defense Lawyer, i never heard those words. Its like clear the movie theater. And it was the most ridiculous misfire the defense possibly could have put on. And hes the only one. And he is suppose to testify and what, save donald trump . And as long as hes silence, hes the craziest in the courtroom. And im also desperate to hear the analysis to put on a witness who was going to offend not only from all accounts that ive heard today, but the way he was talking to the female lawyer and the judge, so he had to take the step. The strategy for putting them on when they are not mounting a defense, essentially saying this is what we want you to think of. I cannot wait to hear them in office. We have trial strategist Andrew Weissmann with his strategy. That is how i would describe the trump team. That strategy probably came from donald trump. It might have been the crazy defendants idea. Lets put on a Forbes Magazine that i printed off from make your own thing and that says im a rich guy. All right, go to it. Thank you for getting me in that courtroom. Of course. Clear the courtroom. Now you can spend your life working in courtrooms and never hear those words. It would feel all the more impossible that you are hearing the words clear the courtroom and that you are hearing those words said loudly and most shockingly of all, angrily by the judge as we did today i asked a retired New York City judge who was in the audience today. How many times did he have to clear the courtroom when he was a judge. His answer is as expected. Everyone gets to know each other other. And we make new friends at other News Organizations during the breaks. The jury becomes very familiar with all of the lawyers. They know which of us are the regulars and the tourists, popping in for the day. And the leader of every Courtroom Community is the judge. He or she sits literally above us all at a higher altitude that the judge actually does have a good trial judge who will keep things moving efficiently. Does not waste time, and very aware of the jurys needs and does everything they can to accommodate and treat them as the most important kind of people in the room than later after the trial when some are asked about their judge and friends. Their quick answer is i i love them. I love the judge. And they have every people that any juror has ever felt about their trial judge, their boss. And so i know from experience as much as anything from Courtroom Life that the jury county like it one bit today when the only testifying witness the Trump Defense is going to decide will openly disrespect the judge that the jury respects so fully. Robert costello was the second witness called by the defense and its last witness. There wont be anymore witnesses. The first witness was a paralegal who works for the trumps defense team, who was there to introduce a spread sheet that he created over a list of phone calls. That would not be a real treatment. And it comes down to Robert Costello who used to worn as a federal prosecutor for Rudolph Giuliani as his boss. Robert costello was one of the lawyers Michael Cohen decided to retain. His office was located exactly 20 floors above where im sitting right now in this vast Office Building in rockefeller center. He decided not to hire Robert Costello. Today anyone could see why. For once the worst Criminal Defense Lawyer in the room was not one employed by donald trump. I have not seen a worse Criminal Defense Lawyer than Robert Costello or a stupider one. Based on what we saw him do on the Witness Stand today. The defense warning, did the questioning, the objective to the attorneys questions. Almost all of the objections were sustained instantly by the judge who makes very quick decisions. Because Robert Costello answered questions, his answers were being raised. Back channel, is that a term giuliani used . Answer yes. Move to strike, your honor. Stricken means. Yes could not be used as evidence. The jury could not quote that later. But he did not like the objections. Its not unusual for lawyers as witnesses to have their own opinion about the objections. But it is very unusual for them to in any way voice that opinion about the objections from the Witness Stand. The attorney Michael Cohen surely had some feelings about the objections. But he behaved in a fully professional way for a lawyer on his credibility and simply his his manor that was respectful of the process and respectful of the judge at all times. Fully respectful of donald examining him to what the most frequent answer was, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Repeatedly. Always called him sir. Here is one we all heard and saw, something we would never see in a courtroom before. Little did we know there was much more to come after this. Take a look at the second photograph of the email. Do you see where it says the question of timing is immature. What did you think of that . I was in the courtroom in i could hear Robert Costello who is sitting beside the jury say gee, all the way back there. About the objection. That was his attitude towards the objection. More importantly that was his attitude about the judge sustaining the objection. Z jeez,jeez. The judge was shocked. I was shocked. We have never seen the judge shocked. And was no doubt shocked and tried to race past the moment with another question, which got another objection and was sustained. But the judge leaned across the bench and raised at the witness right there and im sorry, meaning what did you say . And not in an angry way, he said im sorry. Again meaning what did you just say . Of course he knew what he said. He said jeez, and that drew attention to what Robert Costello said. The judge drew that attention in a big way. That line i just told you from the judge saying im sorry, im sorry. That line does not appear in the Court Transcript because too much was happening in the courtroom for the Court Reporter who had never seen anything like this. And this is something that people who deal with Court Transcripts for many years know especially transcripts produced at very high speed like the daily transcripts in this trial. They frequently have small and always unimportant errors. Words left out. Words that are simply incorrect. For example in that same transcript earlier when Robert Costello was introduced in the transcript as a witness, the transcript incorrectly says robert j. Costello, a witness called on behalf of the people. Now that is wrong. Robert costello was called on behalf of the defense. And the lawyers of both sides of the case will be able to use and work with this transcript without suffering any harm from those small typos that they will all recognize and other occasional words left out. And that is just something you need to know about this transcript. This transcript is amazing. I have never seen a transcript make a mistake on any crucial word. But the factoid and simply these transcripts can sometimes be slightly wrong. After the judge said im sorry the second time, by which he meant pardon me, what did you just say and he meant it in a threatening manner. Robert costello said strike it. You they start over again. That doesnt mean the question they started actually gets stricken from the record. It is just almost a note to themselves that the question wasnt going to come up, right . So let me start this over again. And that is like what the lawyer is saying nevermind, im not going to ask that question. I have another question. Everyone. So over something that even he at that point realized he should have never said that wise guy jeez about the judge publicly. In the room in front of the jury, attacking the judge sustaining an objection. It was a level of madness by a witness who actually is a Criminal Defense Lawyer that you could only wonder whether he should be immediately subjected to a sobriety test. How else could that happen . Thats how out there and crazy and Out Of Control that moment was from a Criminal Defense Lawyer, but it got worse. The judge shifted into saying council, can the jury please step up . He would turn to the witness beside him. But im sorry, go ahead, judge merchan. I want to discuss proper day quorum. And you dont say strike it because im the only one that can strike testimony in the courtroom. Do you understand that . Robert costello, i understand. Judge merchan. Okay. And then if you dont like my ruling, you dont give me side eye, and you dont roll your eyes. Do you understand that . Do you understand that . Robert costello, i understand that, i understand what youre saying. Judge merchan, okay, thank you. Lets get the jury back. Are you staring at me right now . No, clear the courtroom, please. Clear the room. The sergeant, sir, please, the Court Officer, step outside please, step outside, step to the side, please, and we all began to get up to leave the courtroom. Those of us who knew that the judge had full authority to clear that courtroom. Half the reporters in the courtroom tried to stay in their seats. Some tried to argue with the judge. And they have a right to be in the courtroom. For two pages of Court Transcript. There are entries that weve never seen before in a Court Transcript quoting the Court Officer saying step out repeatedly. A person in the audience saying why . This is an open courtroom. The Court Officer saying this is not an open courtroom. We will answer all questions in the hallway. Please step out. This is a Supreme Court courtroom step out. Person in the audience, this is an open courtroom. Now you can spend your life reading Court Transcripts. You will never see the entry person in the audience. That does not happen. What we have, what we have for the minutes it took to clear that courtroom. What we had then was chaos in the courtroom, all caused by the wise guy on the Witness Stand who decided he was going to show the judge that he was smarter than the shown and worse for him and for the Trump Defense, he was going to show the jury that he thinks hes smarter than their judge. And it is very unlikely that that jury thinks there is anyone in that courtroom who is as smart as their judge. After five minutes in the hallway that seems like forever, we were brought back into the courtroom. Having no idea what was said in our absence. But knowing it was about the wise guy. The final pages of the complete thing and we got to see what happened when judge merchan cleared the courtroom. The transcript says, the court is cleared of people and the audience by the Court Officers at this time. The court, all right, let it reflect it is five after 4 00. Let it reflect the Court Officers had great Difficulty Clearing the courtroom because the courtroom is made up primarily of the press. I can appreciate the press wants to be present for every part of these proceedings. Therefore this record is not sealed. The press will have access to this record. The fact i had to clear the courtroom and the Court Officers including the cap had Difficulty Clearing the cap. And during press, will go to why you want to clear them in the first place. That is your conduct that is contentious contemtuous. And do you understand me . And yes, judge, i understand. The court, listen to the question and answer the question. The witness, can i say something, please . The court, no, no. This is not a conversation. The witness, okay. The court. All right, lets bring the press back in, please. The Court Officer, okay. The press is entering the courtroom. That team of able Court Officers who are already doing an above and duty job every day beginning for many of them at 6 30 a. M. Had to do something today as a team they never knew would expect. Clear that courtroom. They did it calmly, correctly using their authority. Understanding the confusion that many supporters were suffering. But they got us all out of that courtroom. They got us all back in that courtroom. It was five minutes later. They did it with remarkable professionalism. It is just remarkable how quickly and efficiently they went into action as a team of Court Officers for something and they never expected to have something, and they had to do it because the only witness testifying for Donald Trumps defense was contemptuous from the start. As angry of a moment as that moment was for judge merchan, that anger was a small fraction of what many other judges would have legitimately shown for the utterly contemptuous witness for the Trump Defense. Michael cohen testified to the jury he didnt hire Robert Costello because he didnt trust him. Michael cohen said he believes Robert Costello would tell Rudy Giuliani and donald trump everything Michael Cohen might tell Robert Costello. Hes obviously the contempt for the judge. Probably would convince most of the jurors that Michael Cohen was right about the contemptuous Robert Costello. Well consider all the evidence introduced at the trial today including on Michael Cohens crossexamination with Andrew Weissmann, lisa reuben after this break. Well show you how the defense, which claims Donald Trumps payments to Michael Cohen were not reimbursements. Made the mistake today of repeatedly ineffect, identifying those payments as reimbursement of the defense. Thats next. 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He wont prevent the grand jury from going forward. That seems highly unlikely. And so you are now laying out for the prosecution what this witness will say. Im like well, they not only know what he says, but they have a year to prepare to cross examine him, and i was thinking there is no way they will call him because of that. Sure enough they did and obviously the cross is still going on, so we cant make a final conclusion. We dont know how the jury will assess him. Having said all of those caveats, your analysis of he is an exhibit to what Michael Cohen said seems clear. Hes on paper doing what the jury could easily find to be sort of classic mob work, which is using a lawyer to find out whether someone is cooperating and report it back to the boss. He says thats not happen, and they could credit the written record at the time. But extremely odd choice. And if there is any witness here who makes Michael Cohen look better in terms of credibility, its this witness in my view. So i just, i do not feel for the life of me understand that. I keep on saying it is a real good Defense Lawyer. I have to suspect shes sitting there dying on this choice, the choice to put him on. It is interesting to watch her because she stays far away from donald trump, shes down on the end. When there is a Bench Conference she doesnt participate in, she leaves him alone and doesnt try to, you know, help him get through the boring moments. Lisa ruben, first of all, everybody, feel free to reach back to the piece of evidence today because there is so much to cover. I want to ask you about certain points. But one of the big fights of the morning was the introduction of a photograph taken from cspan footage at 7 57 p. M. Keith is the bodyguard. Thats what got introduced. They fought this as if it was absolutely crushing to them. And because they said okay, if you could fight it, we will fly in a witness from louisiana, which i suspect made the defense think oh boy, thats going to make this a much bigger deal when it gets introduced and it will get introduced because they were just hanging on the tech noll point. So they would agree to let that go in and that was a very, very big thing in the morning because that photograph is taken at 7 57 p. M. At 8 02 p. M. That we know from the testimony where he called keith, the guy in the red tie and he is beside trump and i got the okay on Stormy Daniels. That is the supporting evidence. It is a big moment for susan who led the direct of Michael Cohen and must have just missed, and on some level, that is understandable, the reames of the Phone Call Records here and related data was huge. On the other hand to not have addressed it at all, given that they acted like that tom cruise moment would have been a mistake. And they were fortunate to discover that they could call back to it and say it again to Michael Cohen. And isnt it possible that you addressed both subjects in that 96second phone call and he said yes and it was one of the last questions he asked him and i love what his lawyer told jen psaki tonight. 96 seconds, it is a long time and to let them marinade, so they could imagine how much could fill it as she compared it and it is a conversation with trump in 2016. And it is about a min and 30 seconds long, and i thought both the picture and the way to get him to commitment was really strong tonight. And that is another example of how much could be said are the Bench Conferences that i counted two today. Lets listen to that tape that Michael Cohen made of donald trump when they are talking about karen mcdougal. This is only 30 seconds of tape, and it shows you how much ground they can cover in discussing their various conspiracies. I have spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set up the whole thing with funding yes. And it is all the stuff, all the stuff. Because here you never know where that company, you never know. And so im aloof that. I spoke to allen about it. When it comes to the financing. What financing . No, no, no. I got this. No, no, no. And adam, that is 32 seconds long. Theyre talking about a conversation that was three times as long. And he talked to pete schiller. The next 64 seconds, talking about the stormy situation. There was an argument being made today by crossexamination that in the calculation of what he would be paid, he asked for a reimbursement of 50,000 that he made on Donald Trumps behalf to a tech company that turns out it was only 20,000. Michael cohen paid 20,000. So todd blanch said you got reimbursed for the 50,000, not the 20,000. So there have you stole 30,000. And Michael Cohen, not trying to get into any wrestling match, accepted the idea that he stole 30,000. And the prosecutor cleaned that up a little bit. But the key point and i was listening to that. The only way he stole 30,000, todd, is if youre granting the whole thing was reimbursement and that it is a paycheck and it is not reimbursement. You are correct. In that very question that generated all the headlines, admitting that he stole from his former boss. And ill take you down to that here. It is a very simple question in the middle of the question that you are having and how to cover up this payment and you lied about how much you owed and correct. A page later, he says again, you did steal from the Trump Organization based upon the expected reimbursement from red finch, correct . Yes, sir. And he spent a great deal of time in crossexamination. Just pushing the opposite opposition that this was not a reimbursement. In fact 420,000 is very close to what he made the prior year. So you made 425,000 from the Trump Organization, correct . What i mean by that, your base salary and you only got a 50,000 bonus . Correct. Thats 425,000, correct . Correct, sir. And pushing this theory that it is familiar. No reimbursement. They might be wondering, wait a minute, isnt he admitting to a stolen money from the organization, and in the prosecutions case . I have a feeling they might pick up during closing arguments. Lets me read what they did in this area. Why didnt you put down 20 . And she had been telling them about the 50,000. I was angered because of the reduction and the bonus. So i felt it was almost like selfhelp and i wasnt going to correct the conversation that i was having with allen about it, but i also laid out money to red physical injury. Like a year and a half earlier to have my bonus cut by two thirds. It was very upsetting to say the least. But Michael Cohen, it was. And where do you think, so there are so many things that are going on here when they hear that version that doesnt include the word stole. What happens when they weave into their argument of Cross Examination questions . And a theory he represented in his opening. There are very few timesceps i left the government where i said he loves to be back. One part of this thing was made and corroboration was pointed out, what are the defense theory, and that it will be flushed out. Its the handwritten notes by weisselberg, and if i were him, i would have them up on the screen for the entire time. And nothing that has been said deals with it. There is just no logical explanation. This is why i always wanted and i think they have a smart juror or jury. You want people to not be fooled. Just the idea of did Michael Cohen steal money . I dont think i have ever put on something that did not do Something Like that to steal money. Rick gates had stolen money from paul manafort. It just happens. And thats a standard argument that you would use, which is a good one. It came out of correct and this is not new. For those thinking it is a big deal, it was on direct examination. And what is the evidence of so many things that are bad about Michael Cohen that he has done in his life and, you know, the litany of things. What is the evidence of that . The person who they never want you to believe who is a total liar. As soon as he says something that is negative about donald trump and no, no, no. That you cant believe. So you use it to show how inconsistent the defense is in terms of what they are taking from this testimony. We have to squeeze in a break here. What stuns me is all the time they spent on that work sheet. Not one word of Cross Examination about the 130,000 on that sheet, which is what that case is all about. And he never mentioned that 130,000. I couldnt believe my ear. Well be right back. Fred. Fuel up to 7 brain health indicators, including your memory. Join the Neuriva Brain Health challenge. Want to get the most out of one sheet . Grab bounty. bounty is made to be stronger. 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Because were moving forward with everybody. Shell. Powering progress. Back with us. Lisa, you just reminded me that on crossexamination of Michael Cohen, nothing about the discussion with donald trump in the oval office. Nothing. Thats a huge moment. And the reason they dont raise it is because the only person that can counter that is donald trump himself. As we were discussing, donald trump wont take the stand. We all know hes not taking the stand and they would talk to fox news during the break today. But essentially saying donald trump is going to listen to his lawyers. He wishes that he could, but hes not going to. And that means we will never hear the fictional counter narrative of what did not happen in 2017. Adam, what else is on the transcript that we just got our hands on . After the government finishes their case, it happens every single time that they will offer their motion to dismiss. And that was an argument that was held outside the jury . Yes. And as everyone expected, everyone was trying to dismiss the examine, saying he is an incredible witness and as a matter of law, the entire testimony shouldnt be considered and the case should be then out. So merchan, needless to say, wasnt impressed with the argument. So he said you want me to take it out of the jurys hands that as a matter of law, this person is so not worthy of the belief that it shouldnt be considered by the jury. Mr. Blanch, that it should not be considered by the jury, absolutely. Thats what im asking the court to do. He goes on to continue and the judge tells him and interrupts him to say you said your lies your irrefutable that you said hes going to, that you think he will fool them into believing this slide. And i certainly hope he doesnt convince 12 jurors. And every one of those singular points for dismissal of the case right now was that great question that i taught on the side and he said that alone was worthy of having the case dismissed where in the 90 second phone call might have discussed more than that every Defense Lawyer will make that motion, we understand it. And im not sure if it will be made and you know, todds had his moments and ahigh school has not had his moments. So i think that tomorrow will be an interesting day as we have a sort of short day, and im interested, where i think that they had a spectacular day today, you know, in terms of if there is anyone out there that it was a master class and hats off. And that it was tight and she was making points and responding to what happened and remembering to redirect the jury, which is allowed in many ways and that we were talking before the show. And isnt he not going to overpay for something and really counts his pennies. That is not their argument. 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Attorney in the Southern District of new york. Hes councilled to two major trump world figures, Rudy Giuliani and steve bannon. Both of whom they have sued for unpaid legal fees. Rudy in the amount of 1. 4 million. And bannon, 100,000. Most importantly, he was Steve Bannons lawyer with respect to the houses on the january 6 investigation. It was bob costello who told steve bannon, you dont need to respond to the subpoena or go in and invoke the fifth. Then he tried to say i relied on the advice of my council. Where he said no, you cant do that and that is unreasonable where they upheld that ruling last week. And that is his way to prison . Correct. That it might be coming to question. Andrew, the whole Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels thing was discovered this 130,000 by you in the mueller investigation. And here is it turning into the Southern District of new york case. The first thing they want to know is how did that happen . And you have this former Southern District prosecutor coming in, telling him right away, you know, trying to find out what you know about trump . This was not me digging. I stayed late for two years, one night. But it was there and then, you know, that we referred it. I said what hes doing and even his advice on what he says is like his