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Odonnell, the msnbc host, as he did. They reported that same, this way. As he exits, trump turns his head at lawrence, flowers, and mutters under his breath. I was sitting right next to him , next to me. Its my first time in The Trump Trial courtroom, and it seems donald trump was not pleased to see me. It looks like im very far behind donald trump but i am actually in the first row available to the press. Visually, there was nothing between donald trump and me. In the afternoon, i was sitting in another spot and i have my interpretation of what Donald Trumps face and eyes were trying to say to me and what drove him to create a moment that was worthy of a New York Times reporter. What was actually captured in a sketch by the brilliant Courtroom Artist, who will join us at the end of the hour to share what the artist i finds in looking around the trump courtroom, especially at donald trump. She has been in all of The Trump Trials and has seen more of his behavior as a defendant and possibly anyone else and she has never seen anything like what she saw on donald trump, as he was walking out of that courtroom today and looked at me. These were her words. He went full joker on you. That is a much better description than i could come up with. She will show us her instant sketch of the flash bang with me at the end of the hour. He should not have done it, of course, donald trump should not have drawn attention to me. Donald trumps political handymen were there, in the front row reserved for trumps family members, who did not show up, again. Of course, he was right in front of me and knew that i was there. He should have told donald trump, if you walk by odonnell, dont give him the satisfaction of a moment, but defendants like donald trump always make mistakes in courtrooms. Mistakes are what has landed donald trump in criminal court. Manhattans criminal courtrooms, and this is a room of broken lives. It has seen an endless parade of the broken lives lived by people who have made the worst mistake in their lives, that leaves them sitting in the defendants chair in that room. Other than the falsely accused, very bad mistakes, often the series, lead to criminal courtrooms. Donald trump was not the only broken life in that room, on display, today. The broken man sitting beside him, at the defense table, rose, once again, to defend the indefensible. They have, at one point or another, told me that this is an excellent lawyer. Some of the people told me that months ago and have now switched to the past tense. They say he was an excellent lawyer, before he sold his professional soul to donald trump. Todd blanche was a much respected, highly paid partner in a prestigious Manhattan Law Firm and served as a criminal prosecutor. He could have stayed in that partnership and that law firm for the rest of his professional life. He could have been well regarded for the rest of his professional life and in bed, he took on donald trump as a client and had to quit his law firm because the law firm wanted no association with donald trump, and having quit his law firm, he moved his family to florida to become a fulltime Trump Defense lawyer, working for exactly one client. There is no good story in the history of jurisdiction about a criminal Defense Lawyer who decides to work for only one client. A client, who has enough criminal and Legal Business to keep that lawyer employed for years and years and years, even Mafia Lawyers have had many other clients not in organized crime. In criminal courtroom 1530, todd blanche, last week, suffered the ultimate professional humiliation when judge merchan said to him, you are losing all credibility with the court. You can spend a lifetime in courtrooms and never hear a judge say that to a good lawyer, never. Todays Court Session began with what was scheduled as a half hour hearing about Donald Trumps latest violations of judge merchans gag order. The prosecution presented four new violations in a 10 minute, tight, logical, seemingly irrefutable presentation. The worst of the violations was Donald Trumps comment about the jury. The prosecutor read that to the judge as the first item he raised. That jury was pick so fast, 95 democrats. The area is mostly all democrat. You think of it as a, just a purely democrat area. It is a very unfair situation, that i can tell you. Trump said that. The prosecution cited other Gag Order Violations that prevent donald trump for making comments about witnesses did the cited comments about michael and david pecker. When todd blanche stood up to defend Donald Trumps violations of the gag order, he ran on without making a single legal point, for 20 minutes, and never said a word about the most serious violation, Donald Trumps attack on the jury. Todd blanche is trying to defend Donald Trumps comment about witnesses and said, he cant just say no comment repeatedly when he is running for president. That is, of course, alive. Thats a lawyer telling a lie in a courtroom. Its not just a point of argument. Candidates refused to comment on issues all the time and no one does it more than donald trump did donald trump very specifically refused to declare his position on abortion for months, during the president ial primaries. No politician in our history has refused to answer more questions than donald trump, while his mouth is still moving, saying other things in response to a question, usually nonsense and lies having nothing to do with the question. Just to sink todd blanche even deeper into the darkness of his professional life, donald trump himself proved that todd blanche was lying at the end of the day. After donald trump walked past me, into the hallway, he spoke to a pool of reporters with cameras rolling. The last question asked of him was, what did he think of the witness who took up most of the trial today, Keith Davidson . Donald trump said, im not allowed to testify. Im under a gag order, i guess i cant testify. I would love to answer that question, its a very easy question, the easiest question so far, but im not allowed to testify because this judge is conflicted and has me under an unconstitutional gag order. Those were his words. Of course, hes not a master of the english language, he did mean that he cant testify, he said simply that he couldnt answer the question because he is under a gag order. Todd blanche learned nothing today in the courtroom but trumpeted. He learned from that hearing how to respond to a question about witnesses in this case, which is to not answer it at all and, if he wants to, site his gag order, which is exactly what he did at the end of the day. His response in the hallway today directly contradicted todd blanche , directly destroyed todd blanches credibility, and again, in the principal argument in the defense of his violations of the gag order, were somewhat weak after the judge tells todd blanche hes lost that ability. How can it get worse for todd blanche . Donald trump found a way to make it worse today. Donald trump went out in the hallway at the end of the day and in effect, ridiculed todd blanches defense of his own violations of the gag order. Apparently, todd blanche had no intention of even addressing the worst violation of the gag order presented by the prosecutors , which were Donald Trumps comments and attacks against the jury, who he accuses of being 95 democrat even though we have no idea how many of them might be democrat or republican. 12 may have voted for donald trump. Judge merchan is not an inpatient judge. There are some who could accuse him of being too patient, like this morning, he let todd blanche say nothing for over 20 minutes today, before the judge finally had to interrupt him and say, can i ask you to address the comments that were made about the jury . Todd blanche began with the stupidest possible response about the actual words donald trump said. Donald trump told the judge, it was a 15 second statement out of an interview that was over 21 minutes long. It doesnt matter if the interview were five days long, what matters is what donald trump said. Did he violate the gag order . The judge repeatedly had to ask todd blanche, did he violate the gag order . Todd blanche actually said, the gag order specifically references any prospective juror or any juror in his criminal proceeding. So, he wasnt referencing juror number four as a democrat or you could see the judge give up on todd blanche. He shook his head, the judge shook his head, smiled in a strained way, just a little. I silently laughed at the preposterous thing todd blanche just said. It was the most preposterous possible answer todd blanche could have given. He wasnt talking about juror four. You cannot find that reaction in the script, the reaction of the room, the judges physical reaction to what he heard todd blanche say. The transcript is just words and there is so much that happens in that room beyond the words. In presenting this violation, the prosecutor said he used his platform there to criticize the seated jury in this case. There is no inference needed. It is not just any jurors, it is these jurors, in this case, sitting right in this room in a few minutes. Todd blanche , his disgraceful and guaranteed to lose defense of that violation of the gag order is to actually say, donald trump didnt specify any one of the jurors. No, he didnt, he specified every one of the jurors, every one of them. Everyone who filed into the room at the end of that hearing and passed by donald trump, as fast as they could, without looking at him in any way, as if there were an obstacle there that they had to speed past, something dangerous. I have never seen a faster walk injury in my life, a jury who walks in, to get past that defendant, to get that move past the defendant over and done with as fast as they can. Its not unusual for some jurors to take in the room when they enter, in other cases. Their eyes sometimes fall on the prosecutor, often on the judge, sometimes on the defendant, smile at the judge, sometimes there can be small smiles that are flashed around the room, they dont really tell you anything about what they are thinking, but often just show you that this group of people are entering the room with hints of their humanity. Not so, with the trump jury, when they entered. When they take their places in the jury box, which i had a full view of in the afternoon, they settle into their roles and all pay very strict attention, at all times, to what is happening in that room. It does not seem that anyone have likely complained about freezing in the courtroom, as donald trump has done relentlessly, including one of the middleaged jurors who is wearing nothing but a tshirt, all day. That is how freezing it was not in the courtroom. As a defendant in the courtroom, every moment, it must be chilling. Certainly, it is for donald trump. Donald trump spent most of his day speaking to someone he has never met, the third broken life on display, Keith Davidson, the lawyer who even todd blanche had looked down on. Keith davidson testimony revealed that he makes much, or most of his living as a Bottom Feeder in a cesspool with no law schools that has ever aspired to. It was Keith Davidson who negotiated the has many payment to Stormy Daniels to guarantee her silence about her, according to her, one brief sexual encounter with donald trump. That testimony negotiated the 130,000 deal, with documented, email records, text messages, and voice recordings. There is no reasonable doubt left that Keith Davidson, about Keith Davidson, negotiating that deal on behalf of Stormy Daniels with Michael Cohen. Thats the essence of his testimony. That is why he is a witness, but, when your life goes so far off course that you find yourself negotiating Hush Money Payments For Adult Film Stars of president ial candidates so that you can help hide the truth about that candidate from voters, for a fee of 10,000 that you earn from that transaction, it might not be the only unseemly thing youve been involved with in your life. So, on crossexamination, to trumps the light, sure, Donald Trumps other criminal Defense Lawyer tried to expose Keith Davidsons role in trying to arrange hush money payments, in one case, allegedly for as much as 2 million, for other famous men, including hulk hogan and charlie sheen. Keith davidson was also involved in Trafficking Information about the treatment of Lindsay Lohan in a rehab facility. This testimony, from this person , who has the lead his law career, took place in a building filled with honorable lawyers working for government salaries, for Public Defender wages, who, every day, make the law and noble calling. Every courthouse has the other kind of lawyer, the worst kind of lawyer, passing to the courthouse, every day. With every bit of dirt that Keith Davidson revealed about himself and every bit of dirt that was thrown at him by Donald Trumps lawyer, what really mattered in that moment is that the oldest person in the room, sitting under a crown of blonde hair at the defense table, lived his life in such a way that his future was in the hands of Keith Davidson, in october of 2016, when he was asking the people of United States of america to make him the next president. I was sitting in the front row of the reporter section, which is actually the third row of spectators since the first two are reserved for Secret Service, then the nonexistent trump family, and then the third row, for the afternoon, there was nothing. Nothing between me and the back of Donald Trumps head. That very same seat was occupied last week by a brilliant author who wrote, at some length, for the Washington Monthly about his day of contemplation staring at the back of his head, the meticulously coiffed souffli. What you see under the hair in that courtroom is a very, very small man. Donald trump is actually the tallest person in the courtroom , an inch taller than i am, but when hes finished chair, he does it with the common slump of the elderly. He sinks. His 77yearold back bone shrinks to the point where he is sitting as the shortest man at the defense table, and he sits, for the first time in his life, as a little man in confinement. There are many people in america hoping donald trump goes to jail. There may be just as many or almost as many hoping he does not. For those who Hope Donald Trump goes to jail, you can put a side some of that hope, now, because courtroom 1530, from 9 00 to 4 30 p. M. , is Donald Trumps jail. Its the first time in his life that he is not allowed to leave the room whenever he wants to. Its the first time in his life that he does not get to decide when to enter. Its the first time in his life that he does not get to decide what to say. He is not allowed to speak. He is not allowed to move. He is not allowed to leave. No ones walking in every 10 minutes with a fresh diet coke, theres no diet coke in the room. Donald trump has not experienced anything close to that since high school and in high school, it was never for more than 45 minutes or an hour at a time. Donald trumps jail is upon him, now. He might face more jail time. Real jail time, but for now, these are the very worst days of the broken life of donald trump. Those who were with me in the courthouse today will join us, next. Climax just sleep. Learn more, and view Important Safety Information at inspiresleep. Com sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. Like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. Which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. Downy. Breathe life into your laundry. I brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. Ugh. 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Adam has been there every day of The Trump Trial and we have Alexander Wiseman from the fbi general counsel. He is also an msnbc legal analyst and an author of the trump indictments. He was in the courthouse with us today, as well. Adam, theres a bunch of things to cover, but to begin with, on that hearing about the possible new issues of contempt, the one that seems locked in is the one about the jury. Absolutely. To your point, i said the same thing you did, about the judge looking incredulously right at todd blanche, shaking his head. Its one thing you dont find in the transcript and i want to highlight one other portion of what the judge actually said in response to all of that said okay, its 10 after 10. He just reminds him of the time. 10 00 rolls by, todd blanche has not said a word about the jury. Not one. The entire thing was conveyed with that nonverbal look of disapproval and the next words out of the judges mouth are, i understand your argument. Thats not good to hear from a judge. It was probably in order the last time he announced his housekeeping decision, nonchalant, and if there is any venom in it will happen on the page, on the written order. You are right, that was the moment. Judge merchan was characteristic understatement. And to show the judges balance on this, he pretty much verbally dismissed one of these charges involving david pecker, something trump said about david pecker, that the judge seems he will probably let go or maybe find him in contempt on the other three. This judge is endlessly fair and said, look, there are carrots and sticks and this is a carrot in terms of praising david pecker, so thats technically a violation and that is what it said, but im not focusing on that one. Its clear that he is very perturbed about the jury. I had a number of things, by being there, as opposed to reading, the judges voice is one. There are different ways that judges control the courtroom, some cant and do a poor job of it but others are sort of, screamers, they have a very loud voice, lots of paraphernalia, like clerks who pound the order in the court, that kind of thing. That is not judge merchan. I was surprised that he is soft spoken, endlessly polite, and his, the way that courtroom is clearly his, i think it is a quiet respect because he is clearly an adult in the room and that is why i so wish that everyone, if they could see it, i wish they could hear it, because it was really impressive. The other thing i thought, having been in many courtrooms, theres a ton of press, a ton of security, a ton of Public People coming to watch this. The entire court staff, this is a pretty antiquated courthouse, is flawless. The Court Officers , a lot of people think oh, they will be officious. It could not run more smoothly, people were treated so well, whether it was the press or the public, it was really wonderful to see. They deal with a lot in that courthouse, and then this is on top of that. It was just, everything worked like clockwork and it was great to see our judicial system at work. You know, everything that you talked about in terms of okay, its sort of tawdry, there is so much to say about donald trump and some of the witnesses in terms of that, and what you saw when you went to court was you saw the best of america and the best of the criminal justice system, whether it was the judge himself or the people who make that courthouse work. It is all on display in that one room. This is the first time any court office has ever had to protect a former president of United States in teaming up with the Secret Service in that room. Several of those officers have to stand, looking back at the spectators, not leaning against anything, unsupported, they physically stand there for at least an hour at a time before they are relieved. Ive never seen Court Officers have to do that kind of duty in a courtroom, but its one of those things thats only going to happen in this courtroom. To the evidence today, so, Keith Davidson basically has a big practice of sleazy junk as a lawyer, including the Stormy Daniels stuff, right . His position in the case is, i negotiated the deal with Michael Cohen. He has been crossexamined, its over, now. Nothing was cracked on the, i negotiated with Stormy Daniels. He wants the jury to not like davidson because he is trafficked in so much other creepy, nasty stuff. Its hard to believe that the jury is going to have issues with this guy. This is a you end up in these stories. You have to wonder whether he was trying to take a veiled swing at someone. He kept referring to the word, extortion. He said that as often as possible, it was 12 times in the transcript. He basically said repeatedly, you always did these negotiations, going as close to the line of extortion is you could. Absolutely. At the same time, he has to try to dirty him up because there is such devastating evidence in the form of text messages. We of course heard In The Beginning , the what have we done text. Now jurors got to see it, today, and saw dylan howard responded to Keith Davidson on election night, when it seems that trump is going to be elected. Dylan howard replies, my god. There was no ambiguity in it. The question and answer were there and Keith Davidson said that this was about the election. When you have the text messages, you have to go to the repeated word, extortion. I thought the defense had one good point to make, that he did make, but it was clouded in talk about all these other people who have nothing to do with the case and that was the point about the document that was signed using the pseudonyms , that they used for Stormy Daniels in reaching this agreement and donald trump, reaching this agreement and the line were trump is supposed to sign was never signed and that seems, to me, to be the best thing to bring up on Cross Examination of this witness. We will hear about in the final argument, but even that point got, i thought, drowned by so much else around it. So, i agree and disagree, because one of the things that i would say is that, at that point, which is a good point for the defense, which is that the agreement has three signatures but was supposed to have a fourth, which is donald trump, the trump claims he knew nothing. Exactly but that shows i didnt, because i didnt find it and theres another explanation that he wants to create that evidence against himself but that was brought up by the government. That actually, that document, that is what a good prosecutor does. You make sure that if there is something surprising that that you dont want that to come out just when the defense brings it out. A standard thing you might have done is a short Cross Examination where you say, you did not deal with my client, you dealt with Michael Cohen, so you dont know what happened between Michael Cohen and my client. Two, this document, just repeat that, its a downer, right . That just sort of highlights to the jury that point, so you dont cloud the regular points. They say, okay, you had an agreement with Michael Cohen and there is no question about that. I thought the calling card, every single thing that you heard from mr. Davidson was in email or text or a document and he was so closely tied and lashed to a document that confirmed what he was saying that the idea that there was nothing to sort of cross on other than hes not a particularly likable guy in terms of what hes done with his life, but it doesnt matter. He can be likable or not, the facts of the facts. I know why they tried to say he is an extortion artist, so the jury doesnt like him. I thought having just heard david pecker, they didnt do that . If there is anyone here who is sleazy, it is someone who just took the stand and said, i had an agreement with the defendant where i engaged in defamation and election fraud. That guy ran the national enquirer. To me, if there is anyone who is going to get that kind of lashing from the defense, it should have been david pecker. It will be interesting to see what the jury does, but i thought it was, in general, a lot of theater, not a lot of substance. 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If he gets a chance, donald trump will sign a National Abortion ban, but we are not going to let that happen. When we win the white house in november and when the united dates Congress Passes a law that restores the protections of roe v wade, our president , joe biden, will sign it. You see, we trust women, and women trust us to fight for reproductive freedom. Joining us now is democratic senator jacky rosen of nevada, running for reelection and a member of the Armed Services community. Thank you for joining us. We are seeing the reversal of the reversal, we are seeing arizona did, finally, repeal that 1864 law. The democratic governor signed the repeal of that in arizona. This is in your region, nevada, a neighboring state to arizona. What does this issue mean in your campaign this year . Well, i can tell you, first of all, thank you for having me on to discuss this important issue about womens freedom. This is what its really about and we can say that maga extreme republicans want to take women back to the 1800s if they can. This bill that they have in arizona that they just repealed, make no mistake, they will try to put in more kinds of bands Going Forward and you can see it in city after city, county after county, state after state, how draconian these laws are and how they are putting womens lives at risk with no exceptions, no exceptions if women show up to an emergency room, almost dying, needing to get that healthcare. In nevada, we know and we believe that women should have the freedom to make their own health care decisions, overwhelmingly, and for 30 years weve had a statute of protections for those are productive freedoms for nevadas women and we felt its important enough now to enshrine that into the constitution, so we are putting that on a Ballot Question in november. I am proud to sign on to that ballot and continue to advocate for womens freedom, because all of the men running against me in a very crowded maga extreme republican primary, every single one of them has a record, every single one of them wants to institute a nationwide abortion ban regardless of what they say, now, to win a primary or win this seat and we have to stop them from doing that. You can ship and to help us restore and keep womens freedom across this country. Its hard to think of a city that was hurt economically by covid more than las vegas and therefore, the state of nevada. What does the state of economic recovery from that look like in nevada . You are right. During covid, we experience some of the highest unemployment in the country because we had to close down the famous las vegas strip, because we did not want to see more people spread covid all across this country. Let me tell you, our Tourism Industry is back and i am proud to serve as the senate chair of the tourism south Committee Subcommittee and the congress committee. You can see with the legion stadium, the super bowl, formula 1, the stanley cup, back to back, and wnba champions, concert at the sphere, the formula one race, las vegas is back as the entertainment and Sports Capital of the country so we are growing in that way and we are growing with our Clean Energy Economy and sustainable future. We still have a ways to go, but we are coming back and i can tell you some of the laws weve passed that i have helped to pass over the last few years are helping bring nevada back. Sustainable energy future, tourism future, and of course, for seniors, for veterans, we are working on summary policies to help them continue to thrive. Vegas is back, senator, thank you for joining us. Coming up, the New York Times reported that donald trump Squinted Strangely at me, when leaving the courtroom. 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Donald trump went full joker on me today according to our next guest. Joining us is the artist sketching the criminal trial for new york magazine. Thank you for joining us. Im going to hold this up between us. I have to put on my glasses that you saw me wearing in the courtroom today, so this will make sense to people. What did you see when he was walking . Its one of those moments where everybody is exhausted at the end of the day, and its kind of, for me, everyone is vulnerable and moving back from their position in the court and that exhaustion, to okay, now i have to go, so people are transitioning back to their humanity a little bit. I knew that there was going to be tension as he walked back and what i observed was he turned to you, and this big smile spread across his face, not like the kind of smile, and organic smile you might share with a friend, but something there are many types of smiles, and he turned that mild toward you and i saw you sort of rise to the occasion and give it right back and it was kind of one of those things where no words needed to be said. Here is what i thought he was trying to say, with what turned out to be a really crazy version of his face. He was trying to look at me and convey , without being able to say it, im a tough guy, scary guy, i hate you, and im going to get you. That seemed to be what he was trying to deliver to me, and it was the weirdest stuff ive ever seen his face do and i was giving him a Pretty Simple smile back, which i was hoping was saying to him, how could you be to have your life and up in this room . That was all picked up without a word, and i think thats a really familyfriendly way of communicating what i picked up on. Its the Cleanup Version but yes, there was a serious confidence to the look he gave you and that does not surprise me at all, but its just in the conditions of this trial, he is not engaging the same way he has engaged in other trials, even with me. I have had moments where we have spoken but he sort of walks down the gauntlet and there are no words exchanged and i have not an expression like that, silently shared from trump to another person. So, it was electric. First timer luck. It was very got them, though. I do not rescind the joker comment. I thought that was perfect. The mac it was cartoonish and to the point and he demonstrated he knows how to violate a gag order. Thank you for capturing that moment, thank you for joining us at what is a very late hour for you. You have to be up early. The mac thank you for having me. We will be right back. Bac. 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