Media mitchellreports. Chris jansing reports starts right now. Good day. Im Chris Jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. College campuses from coast to coast are on edge at this hour. New propalestinian protests active across roughly two dozen states, even after police cleared encampments overnight at places like Columbia University. Will an Ongoing Police presence enforce a calm there or could things get worse before they get better . Plus, a new abortion law going into effect in florida today, leaving few options for women seeking abortions across the southeast. The latest from there and arizona where democrats along with a handful of republicans are considering a repeal of the near total abortion ban dating back 160 years. And donald trump out of the courthouse and on the Campaign Trail in wisconsin just a few hours from now. Will he tempt fate and test his gag order even after the judge threatened him with the possibility of jail time. Well dig into that coming up. We start with the chaos and crackdowns on University Campuses nationwide as officials are increasingly calling on police to clear propalestinian encampments that have effectively paralyzed dozens of schools. More than 1,500 people have now been arrested, but its too early to say if that will convince protesters to back off or whether theyll keep at it. Ultimately impacting finals and Graduation Ceremonies. Earlier today, we saw police face to face with protesters on the university of wisconsins campus in madison, and it was the police who ultimately walked away. A far more chaotic scene unfolded at ucla overnight where Law Enforcement was called in to break up violent clashes between proisraeli and propalestinian demonstrators. And Police Arrested nearly 300 people in new york, 173 of them at city college where the nypd tore down a palestinian flag. Others came from Columbia University where the mayor says the occupation of one College Building was led by people from outside the university. It was about external actors hijacking a peaceful protest and influence to escalate. Theres nothing peaceful about barricaing buildings, destroying property or dismantling security cameras. We cannot allow what should be a lawful protest to turn into a violent spectacle that servs no purpose. Antonia hylton is outside Columbia University, nbcs guad venegas is. And on set with me, catherine christian, former assistant District Attorney in manhattan and an msnbc legal analyst. So antonia, whats the latest . Whats happening on campus at columbia . Reporter hey, chris, well, there is an ongoing protest right outside the gates, right in front of Hamilton Hall. There are students, Faculty Members, other people part of the Columbia Community expressing their anger at what they saw transpire here last night. Almost every student and Faculty Member that i speak to says it was extremely disturbing to see the nypd come back for the second time, arrest about 119 people here, and that include students who have been e associated with the Protest Movement and also people who are not who simply described feeling like this was an escalation that deeply affects them, just as being members of the community, having to see it get to this point. I have one of the columbia professors here with me right now, joseph slaughter. Thank you so much for making time to join us. So from the faculty perspective, what was it like to see all of this unfold last night . I was standing here last night almost behind you watching the assaulting of a vehicle pull up to Hamilton Hall. It was devastating. Faculty near me, students near me were crying, in despair over the fact that the administration has escalated to the point where theyre bringing in an assault team to shut down student protests. I can understand that the building occupation is a different matter than a completely peaceful nonviolent encampment that existed on the campus for the last ten days or so. But the fact that the building could be occupied is partly is due partly to the gross mismanagement of this administration. It has escalated consistently for the last seven months. These students have been attempting to get what they understand to be a Human Rights Message about justice for palestine out for seven months, and at every turn they have been met with repressive actions to shut down their ability to speak, to demonstrate, to try to make their voices heard in what they see as the greatest Human Rights Crisis of the moment, and if this administration in failing to listen to its students beginning in october and november, in failing to hear the voices of its faculty, experts in the field, experts in the area coming up with their kind of administrative decisions among a small cabinet of ministers at the top of the underneath the president , they have consistently escalated and kettled the speech of the students. They released a statement this morning saying they tried to have productive conversations with the students that went on for eight days. Essentially saying they did their best to avoid what happened here. They did not do their best over the previous six months. If they had had those productive conversations with the students when they were clearly making their statements in absolutely peaceful, vigil like manners in november and in october, we wouldnt be here today. If they had if they had bothered to sit down with the students my understanding is that this president refused to meet with the leaders of the two Student Groups that she unilaterally suspended in november, refused to meet to talk with them about their demands, about their concerns, refused to hear the vast majority of students who see this as an unfolding potentially genocide in gaza. Reporter there will now be an nypd presence until may 17th, past graduation. Theres clearly a hope to go back to Business As Usual here and to make sure people can have the Graduation Celebrations theyve always envisioned. Do you think thats whats b about to happen here . Can this campus go back to normal . I dont see how theres any going back to normal for a normal commencement, for a normal graduation. The protest behind us is actually primarily faculty who are demonstrating both at having been themselves locked out of campus in support of the students and in protest of militarizing the campus, in support of the students rights to speech and the missteps and gross mismanagement of the senior administration. Did the students take it too far by entering Hamilton Hall . Hamilton hall is to change the change the approach. In my opinion, they had they had won with their message with the encampment on campus. They had spawned a nationwide Even International movement. They had raised the issues that theyre concerned about to the level that you all are here, that the press is all over this campus. Their voices were being heard. In that sense, i think they had already achieved what they really needed to achieve, the entry into Hamilton Hall is not probably necessary, right . They clearly felt some kind of some kind of desperation. I dont know, i cant explain their actions. Thank you so much, professor slaughter. We really appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Even when i speak to proisraeli students and Community Members here at columbia, the one thing it seems everybody here can agree on is that the administration is at fault for this escalation, that at some point if you are one of the propalestinian students or Faculty Members that there could have been better negotiations or if you are one of the students who has felt intimidated or harassed or hurt by all thats unfolded here on campus, that she could have stepped in earlier to assure that those conversations calmed down, that they got to a level that could make them feel safe. Many of these students have left campus. They wont even be here for any of the celebrations, so everyone on all sides feels this immense disappointment right now and this feeling that just because Hamilton Hall is clear now, this story isnt over, chris. Thank you very much for that, antonia. So jim, look, the politics of this are extraordinarily complicated. The criticism of the administration, of the president of columbia, has been widespread. I do want you to talk about what we saw last night in the context of that police have been asked to stay on campus at least until may 17th. From a police perspective, first of all, was that an assault team, which is the way that the professor described it. He said it was not necessary. From your perspective, was it . I want to get your take on what we saw unfold there. Yes, chris, thank you. Look, the politics of this are very complicated. The politics of the middle east, palestine, and all the issues that encumber that. I have been to tel aviv and jerusalem after all the Suicide Bombings in the Second Indy Fa Da with the Israeli National police, and you know, i kind of feel for that situation over there, and that situation now is at columbia and other universities. So its an intractable problem that the police cannot solve and do not want to solve. The police are called in when University Leadership decides that the destruction of property and occupying of their building, you know, has to be stopped, and i disagree with calling these officers from the Strategic Response group and the Emergency Service unit, you know, militarized, Assault Teams and so forth. Its not true at all. Look, the officers that went in the window from the Emergency Services unit first and then the Strategic Response group, nobody had a rifle. You didnt see people carrying, you know, rifles even with tear gas or big, you know, Assault Rifles like we normally see a s. W. A. T. Team has to use. They only have their side arms and they have helmets. Thats to protect them from getting hit by rocks and bottles and getting hurt, face shields, protection for their chest. Police dont have to go in and be assaulted and killed. So they have to have this defensive gear, and you know, people are offended by defensive gear maybe. But thats not the fault of the police. Let me ask you, you said police cant solve, and they dont want to solve this, and i think thats that sales like a reasonable statement to a lot of people, but do you worry that doing this further inflames an already volatile situation, that it puts police in the position, frankly, of causing what were seeing right now, which is not just these demonstrations that are happening on columbia, but theyre popping up on other campuses against the idea of police going in and arresting these students . Well, i agree with that. I mean, a lot of people may be offended that Police Arrest protesters. Remember, the protesters are engaging in Civil Disobedience for the purpose of being disobedient and they know the consequences of that. Being arrested and given a ticket like they are in new york for trespass. When violence ensues police have to be there to protect the citizens and protect property from being damaged and destroyed. Its the tactics that are used that have to be looked at. I think the nypd used appropriate tactics. They had a strong show of force. We didnt see any kind of abuse or Police Brutality there. They did exactly what they were supposed to do. L. A. Quite a different violent situation last night where the l. A. P. D. And lasd had arrived where two different factions were fighting. Certainly thats a requirement for Police Action to show up then. So when theres violence and, you know, destructive property, you know, damage to property, threats to burn buildings, youre going to have to have police, and thats just the way a democracy works. I mean, people can say, well, we want to damage property. We want to fight, we want to hurt people, but we dont want any police. Well, thats just sort of ridiculous. Catherine, this now moves from police to im sure some friends in your old office at the manhattan d. A. s office and according to wnbc, which is our local station here in new york, they say that protesters who were arrested will be charged with third degree burglary, Criminal Mischief and trespassing, protesters participating in the encampment on the lawn as opposed to those inside the building will be charged with trespassing and disorderly conduct. Again, going back to whatever the criticism of the administration is and whether or not they handled it well leading up to this, does that play into the decisions that get made . Does the fact that theyre either a student or somebody from outside play into it . What will they be looking at to decide who gets charged with what . Well, its about proof, so its very easy for the ones who were found inside Hamilton Hall, they cant say, you know, they werent there because they would have been arrested because those are the ones who will probably be charged with the burglary because they entered and remained unlawfully in the building in the attempt to commit a crime. They apparently destroyed property, Video Surveillance and furniture. That would be the crime. In new york thats called Criminal Mischief. The people who were on the lawn, again, this is a private university. They called in nypd because there were people who were there without permission or authority or who stayed beyond when they were supposed to be there. So those would be the charges. It still has to be proven. Many of these protesters are disguising their identity by Wearing Masks or scarves or hoodies, so the ones that they found in the building are easy. So guad. Officials at the University Of Texas At Austin where you are have said this more than half of the people who theyve arrested are not affiliated with the university. Tell us more about whats happening where you are. Reporter chris, they released a statement saying that 45 of the individuals that were arrested on monday did not have an affiliation to the university, and that same release had some more information. They said that they confiscated weapons from these protesters and the weapons they say were confiscated included guns, chains, bricks and rocks. They also add more information saying that officers have been assaulted, head butted, and they say that their cars have had their tires slashed. I spoke with the university and asked for photos of the weapons that theyve confiscated or videos where we can see officers that they say were assaulted. They did send one video and photos of a bucket of rocks that they say was found in one of the adjacent buildings, but thats all the photos or videos that they were able to share. As of now, they say thats all they can share along with that release from yesterday. Meanwhile, today what we have is heavy Police Presence. Weve had protesters here for the last five or six days. Yesterday was a much more peaceful protest from what we saw on monday which is when things escalated and about 79 individuals were arrested, so they had planned for a big protest today, a lot of the groups in support of palestine had shared a flyer on social media, and then early this morning, they shared another flyer indicating that that protest would be postponed, but of course the heavy Police Presence this year, theyve shut down the main street that goes into the lawn where all of these protests have happened, chris. Across the country again, catherine, were looking at 1,500 people have been arrested. Would you anticipate that in most cases and i know youre a prosecutor in new york so you dont want to speak for texas or any of those other places, would you think most of them would get a fine, they may try to settle it, may even have the charges dropped. I think the ones who are students, they will be treated differently than the ones who had no business being there and they were agitators. Youre student, youre in college, youre protesting, youre not going to have a criminal record. Somebody whos destroying property, they will be treated differently. Thank you all very much. In 60 seconds, today the ripple effects of roe v. Wade being overturned are being felt coast to coast. Well explain the new abortion restrictions that went into effect just hours ago in the countrys Third Largest state. Thats next. Countrys Third Largest state. Thats next. ella fashion moves fast. Setting trends is our business. We need to scale with customer demand. In real time. jen so we partner with verizon. 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The Washington Post describes tears and despair at a Fort Lauderdale Abortion Clinic in the final hours before the near total ban went into effect at midnight. The same emotions our Marissa Parra found in force pierce where a young woman, cassie told her she cant afford another child. I wish that they understood that there is more to having a baby than just birthing it. By the end of this week, there might be women who are just two weeks further along than you, and they wouldnt be able to get the same procedure. I would really feel for them because its just not right. Across the country in arizona, any minute now we expect the senate will convene and try to repeal another near total ban exposing the vast political divide thats happening coast to coast. In a new interview with time magazine, donald trump would not take a position on either a National Abortion ban or on states prosecuting women for having abortions claiming that Overturning Roe has, quote, taken tremendous pressure off everybody. Conversely, President Biden just released a new video in response to trump after calling the aftermath of roe a nightmare, and Vice President Kamala Harris just landed in jacksonville where next hour she will deliver the administrations message in person that republicans just dont care about women. Nbcs Marissa Parra is on the ground in jacksonville, nbcs dana griffin is in phoenix, arizona, for us. Also with me, Washington Post Senior National Political Correspondent and msnbc political analyst Ashley Parker and cofounder of axios and author of the new book Just The Good Stuff jim vander high. What are you hearing from Abortion Providers there . Reporter im already hearing from clinics that theyre starting the process of turning abortion seekers away. One Abortion Clinic director telling me minutes ago she has already seen patients that were just days over six weeks, and chris, they had no idea. So weve been reporting on how clinics across the state, not just where we are, have been scrambling over the last several weeks working longer hours, working through lunch, squeezing in at max capacity every single appointment they could, especially with the priority on those abortion seekers and appointments that would no longer be eligible come todays deadline. Remember, this could all change come november. This is something that will be on the november ballot. Amendment 4 would protect Abortion Rights until viability. Thats 24 weeks that would replace this current sixweek ban. It will require more than a simple majority. It will require 60 or higher. That is a higher threshold than weve seen in other states. And so we have seen democrats doing a full court press on this. Weve seen President Biden was here last week speaking on Abortion Rights. As you mentioned, Vice President Kamala Harris will be here today to do exactly the same. We had a chance to talk to a physician. She works here in this clinic behind me. She provides not just abortion care but elsewhere she also provides care for high risk pregnancy patients. We had a chance to sit down with her. Take a listen. So do you feel like Abortion Rights are political . Abortion right is a health care right. It should not be political. It has nothing to do with politics. Abortion is health care. Reporter so chris, we chose to be in jacksonville for a reason. Its close to the state border and this is a city where the Abortion Clinics have historically seen, at least in the last year or so, about a third of their patients came from other states with far stricter bans, near total bans, if not a full ban. Georgia, louisiana, mississippi, are three of the most common states ive heard abortion seekers coming from. Now those same abortion seekers are being sent to other states, most commonly North Carolina or virginia. Now i spoke to a cosponsor of the sixweek ban, and he says the days of what he calls Abortion Tourism are over, and he pointed out that the law here, the sixweek abortion law does have exceptions for things like rape, incest, Fetal Abnormalities but we have to remember when we look at the geography of the map, this impact really extends far beyond florida. It extends across the region, and of course as we know, the fight over reproductive rights is a nationwide battle. Chris. Marissa, thank you for your Great Reporting that youve been doing there. Appreciate it. So ashley, your paper reports that more than 80,000 women get an abortion in florida in a typical year accounting for about one out of every 12 abortions nationwide. Talk about the impact this one state will have on women not only in florida, obviously, but listening to marissa and reading the reporting of your paper, women all across the southeast. Thats right. I mean, each state that is now roe is overturned making its own decisions raises a sort of different issue in the National Discussion and most of these issues politically are not particularly good for republicans. So in florida were now talking about a number of women being unable to get an abortion at a point where they dont know theyre pregnant, right . And when you talk to women, even republicans, independents who are going to decide this election, a lot of them say that feels incredibly draconian. You have other states where the discussion is now depending on the laws, about women who are unable to get an abortion not because they dont want the baby. Sometimes because they desperately do want the baby, but its a risk to their health. So women who are enduring horrific Health Consequences because they cant get an abortion. That, again, politically in states like florida and elsewhere is not a discussion that republicans want to be having, and its worth noting that the Biden Campaign in a memo said that in part because of what were seeing in florida, they think florida is now, quote, unquote, winnable. Florida is a state that had largely been written off the political map. Trump won it twice. Governor desantis for governor won it by huge margins. You know, its also worth saying that even when democrats would privately tell you they didnt think they could win in florida, they still sort of publicly said were going to play there. We want to make republicans spend money. This gives them one more tool in their arsenal to either really believe that florida is in play or at least force republicans to really fight them there. Jim, you dont have to look far to see what the results of the overturning of roe v. Wade have been. For example, your folks from axios report that in charlotte and again, a lot of the folks from places in the southeast who dont have access to abortion go to North Carolina that clinics in North Carolina are running short on time, space, and staff. Thats axios reporting. So when donald trump says and this was his quote that this has taken tremendous pressure off of everybody, who or what is he trying to message . Because no onely looking at it can say that. I think hes talking about himself. Hes trying to take pressure off himself from a political perspective, and listen, its a very political topic. Theres no doubt that the president and the Vice President feel very strongly about this as a policy measure, but if you look at the last off year election, if you look at some of these special elections, abortion has been a very powerful voter for democrats. When you talk to the trump people, in some ways they boil this election down to men versus women. They believe theyre going to lose a chunk of women who might have voted for them because of the abortion topic. Thats why they play up crime and kind of masculinity in a lot of the rhetoric he uses because theyre seeing some movement of min, and hispanic men away from biden. So i think trump ive talked to him over the years, i dont think this is a topic he particularly wants to deal with or even thinks much about, but he just wants to kick it down to the states. The problem is kind of this segment youre having here, when you kick it down to the states and you start to get down to a sixweek ban, then suddenly there probably is a political reality to what ashley is saying, maybe a state like florida that probably isnt that much in play or wasnt that much in play suddenly could be if you have a segment of voters who are so fired up about a topic because its personal to them that they then vote. We dont know that will happen, but its a very plausible theory. This is what the republican State Representative who proposed that sixweek abortion ban had to say in defense of it. Florida is a prolife state. Were a conservative state. Weve always been moving in a prolife direction. We should not be we should not be allowing abortions, and we certainly shouldnt be providing Abortion Tourism for other states in the south. I think the change and im curious your perspective on this there is no doubt that florida that used to be up for grabs has shifted even in registration to republican. Being republican doesnt always align with being necessarily conservative or being against Abortion Rights, even if you are personally opposed to abortion, so to what extent is that true but problematic really for donald trump . Again, this isnt at its essence a political topic. It is could joe biden make a real play for florida . Maybe, but even in the other states, if i were a republican or a democrat, listen, election sadly most of our votes dont matter that much unless youre in seven states, and in those seven states if you look at the polls, if you look at the voting history in recent elections, in all likelihood theyre going to be determined by maybe 100,000 votes. Last election you moved 40,000 votes in three states, trump wins. Election before, you move 78,000 votes and trump loses. It is going to be a narrow vote. When you find an issue that motivates people because it is a personal issue, it really could prove decisive. Does that expand the map, which is fundamentally the question youre asking, florida or ohio or some place that wasnt in play, could it be in play, possibly but floridas become very conservative and in a very fast way moved towards the republican column. Lets move to arizona, what can we expect to happen with that 1864 abortion ban . Reporter yeah, chris, democrats believe they have enough votes including two republicans who will allow this repeal to go through, but keep in mind, even if they repeal, they vote to repeal in the senate and the governor signs it as expected, they already approved it in the house, it will still take 90 days after the legislative session ends before this repeal could be in effect. We know that last year they were in session all the way up through july 31st. That gives you an indication here. Ive stepped inside already and right now they are in session. The Public Gallery is filled with opponents and supporters who were standing at one point inside that gallery as they wait for their senators to make a decision on this 1864 law that has been very controversial, and most people in the state of arizona overwhelmingly have said they want at least some access to abortions whether its for 15 weeks or at least allows for rape and incest. So well be watching, were going to step inside, they believe they can pass this, but also one democratic senator told me that shes cautiously optimistic because there could be stall tactics, which they have seen in prior weeks that have happened, so they hope that they can push this vote through. We are told that that could come down within the next couple of hours, and it would be huge. Theres no indication that Governor Katie Hobbs is willing to sign it today. The house speaker, its his job to actually deliver that bill to her so that could also play politics could also play in that next move to get this to the governors desk. A very consequential afternoon ahead, thank you, dana griffin, Ashley Parker, jim vandehie. Congrats on the book. Up next, the first thing on the agenda when trumps Hush Money Trial Reconvenes in less than 24 hours. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. 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And through meaningful partnerships with families, they become centers of their communities. Real solutions for kids and communities at aft. Org we now know that even before testimony resumes tomorrow at Donald Trumps hush money case, judge juan merchan will hold another Gag Order Hearing on the heels of that 9,000 contempt fine just yesterday. Warned that he could impose, quote, an incars toir punishment, meaning jail, on trump if other violations are made. Merchan is considering the argument that trump made four more possible violations pointing to these comments. No, hes been very nice. Davids been very nice, a nice guy. Michael cohen was a convicted liar. He was a lawyer for many people, not just me, and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. That jury was picked so fast. 95 democrats. When are they going to look at all the lies that cohen did in the last trial. He got caught lying in the last trial. He puts in an invoice or whatever, a bill, and they pay to go to legal expense. I got indicted for that. I want to bring in nbcs Vaughn Hillyard and msnbc Legal Correspondent lisa rubin who has been watching all of this unfold inside the Overflow Room at the courthouse. As you listen to that, tell us what is likely from judge juan merchan. I mean, look, people said 9,000 is like 0. 90 to you and me. Nevertheless, he dangled the possibility of jail. Whats going to happen, though, tomorrow . Well, remember, last nights order was issued after trump made all of the statements you just showed on april 22nd or after. You cant say that it gives him fair warning with respect to the four statements that are at issue for tomorrows hearing. So meaning fair warning that he could go to jail. Correct. And so i dont think that jail is on the menu for tomorrow. I think its really more of a third times a charm three strikes and youre out sort of warning. The other thing that i want to underscore is that juan merchan makes a point in a gag order of reminding people reading it that his hands are tied. The new york Criminal Contempt statute gives him two options, A Thousand Dollars per violation at a maximum or up to 30 days in jail. There is no in between, and theres a whole paragraph in his gag order where he says it would be preferable if i could impose a harsher penalty because it would matter to him. Its not lost on him that A Thousand Dollars is nothing to donald trump and, yet, short of jail time, he knows there wont be any real meaningful consequences. So lets see what happens if there is a sort of fourth tranche of alleged violations. What are you hearing, vaughn, from inside trump world about this possibility whether its tomorrow or at some future time, assuming he continues to violate the gag order. Are they worried . Is he worried . I was just showing some Speech Excerpts for his First Campaign stop in about 90 minutes from now. Theres not a single mention of the trial. Those are just the excerpts, of course, donald trump should be expected to bring it up. Its at the forefront of his mind. Every once in a while he veers off script. This is going to be his First Campaign rally since the beginning of this trial here. Theres a lot of im sure pent up energy and thoughts that he has. At the same time, when he does those remarks, its not like hes coming out there and completely violaing the gag order with a giant Middle Finger saying im doing it regardless of what youre saying here. We know from donald trump here the fact is just last fall he was fined for repeatedly attacking the principal law clerk to judge engoron despite having the gag order against him. Hes now been fined in this situation here as well. The question is does donald trump begin to actually fear potential consequences as lisa just outlined, a potential Third Strike Type of situation. Its part of covering a trial that youre trying to read the tea leaves. Were also trying to read the political tea leaves. I thought it was interesting for the first time yesterday donald trump had an entourage that included his son eric, but also ken paxton. Hes the Texas Attorney general. Hes had some controversies previously. Lets call them that. Could this be its only one, but could this be the start of im going to show up for donald trump. I will be there sitting in the gallery for him. If it turns out that im being considered for Vice President or for a job in the administration, so be it. He was all but alone for the first few weeks of his trial. There were no family members, there were no allies. I was wondering along the way were we going to see a doug ber gam or a tim scott, members of congress, the Marjorie Taylor greenes, they were tied up with obligations on capitol hill the last two weeks. We didnt see any of them there. Thats why yesterday ken paxton but also David Mcintosh who was the president of the club for growth, he and donald trump had an icy relationship over the course of the last two years. Club for growth was actively looking for an alternative to donald trump. They had hosted a Donor Retreat to go and try to prop up some of those folks like tim scott and doug ber gam and other candidates. This could be an opportunity for republicans including those that had previous icy relationships with him to come to his defense where he is at the courtroom for anywhere from eight hours a day. Keith davidson going to be back on stand tomorrow. He was the lawyer who brokered the deal f comment that might have felt a little bit like deja vu to the jury, and i want to talk about that. About the Hush Money Payment to stormy daniels, he said, quote, Michael Cohen didnt have the authority to actually spend money. My understanding was that mr. Trump was the beneficiary of this contract. It was just last week that the expublisher of the National Enquirer david pecker was on the stand and told the jury basically the same thing. He didnt think that Michael Cohen had any authorization to buy or acquire or spend any moneys without mr. Trumps approval. Two witnesses, practically the same answer. If youre the defense, what do you do with that . There are a couple of ways you can go. One way is to say cohen was freelancing. He was trying to impress the boss. He had no permission to do it. He certainly had no authorization to do it. And he cut the deal on his own without Donald Trumps knowledge or permission. But that doesnt seem to be the strategy that theyre using, particularly if you look back at their Cross Examination of david pecker. It looks like the strategy theyre employing here, particularly given some of the other evidence that hasnt come into trial yet is not he didnt do it or it wasnt for his benefit, but so what . Theres nothing wrong with that. And thats the sort of Standard Operating Procedure line of Cross Examination that we saw trump lawyer emil bove take david pecker through. You can tell that based on where hes sitting at the defense table. Im going to look forward to seeing how they thread that needle tomorrow. Lisa rubin, Vaughn Hillyard, also mr. And mrs. Superman because both of you have been just, i dont know, no sleep, but i appreciate both of you very much. Vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin. We are following Breaking News out of wisconsin, just getting this in. According to the mount horab Area School District a Middle School is on lockdown, there was an active shooter stopped outside of the School Building there. But one mother described to our local affiliate the very intense moment when her children inside the school contacted her to talk about what was going on. My son marvin, he goes to the Middle School, it was around like 11 00 where he called me crying saying they hear multiple shots and him and his friends took off running, and then my other son called me who goes to the high school, he left with his friends because they were evacuated fast. But one of my daughters are still inside of the Middle School as we speak. But all we know is that there were some kids its hard. Yeah, it is. To get a call when youre at work from your babies crying saying that theres a shooting going on and were scared, and youre 30 minutes away from them. I want to bring in nbcs emilie ikeda. What more do we know . You can imagine heart stopping, Heart Wrenching conversations between parents and their kids like that happening 100 times over and then some for so many people who were in the area of this active shooter. We got our first update from the School District. It was posted around 12 30 eastern time. They reported that there had been an active shooter on the ground in the vicinity of the Middle School of that district, but they had actually not been able to breach or make entryway into the building. They said that the individual, the accused active shooter was neutralized, and they also heres a really important headline here, they say that there have been no reports of injuries aside from the assailant. Police and First Responders had been surveying the Middle School in the past hour or so looking to see if anyone else could be tied to this. They do not believe there is anyone else involved in the situation. The School District, all of the buildings, the 2,500 students that attend this district from prek up through high school had been on hard lockdown. They are now beginning to evacuate some of the students at some of the buildings, but the middle School Students still, as you heard from the mother there, remain inside. Theyre slowly starting a systematic process where theyre allowing some of the kids to go to the bathroom within the building as this is very much a developing situation. There was an alert sent out from Dade County Sheriffs Office to people, to phones in the area that had said that the active shooter was armed with a rifle and had urged people to stay inside, but of course a developing situation as we continue to wait, more details from the School District and First Responders here. Emilie ikeda, we thank you for that on the Breaking News. We also got Breaking News from Columbia University right now, all remaining class meetings, review sessions, office hours and final exams on the Morningside Heights campus will now be held remotely. That campus is where the bulk of the protests have been held in recent days and where we saw more than 100 arrests overnight. Other schools including columbias law school have postponed final exams for the time being. We should note that for now Graduation Ceremonies are still on track to be held may 15th. And still to come, disgraced exhollywood mogul Harvey Weinstein set to return to a courtroom 30 minutes from now. Weve got the details on that next. ve got the details on tha next getting screened is why im delaying i heard i had a choice i know the name, thats what im saying cologuard® . Cologuard. Cologuard screen for colon cancer. At home, like you want. You the man actually, hes a box. Cologuard is a oneofakind way to screen for colon cancer thats effective and noninvasive. 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Just moments from now, Harvey Weinstein is expected to appear in a Manhattan Court for the First Time Since his 2020 rape conviction was overturned. That decision sent shock waves through the community of weinsteins accusers, many of who testified in the case. Here to talk about it is the New York Times editor at large jessica bennett. She wrote a New York Times oped titled Harvey Weinstein and the limits of she said she said she said. Its so good to have you here. Let me start with sort of the news that precipitated this is that weinstein, though hes not going to be released because of this, gets another shot, right . Walk us through why such a major hard fought conviction was dismissed . Yeah, so i think a lot of us covering this case and certainly survivors always knew that this was a possibility, this case could be overturned on appeal. But at a certain point people kind of stopped holding their breath, and so when this came through last week, i found myself pretty shocked even though i followed this very closely. And the ruling, to be clear, has to do with the New York State conviction. He has also been convicted in california of an additional 16 years. So its not that weinstein is going to be sprung from jail. But what the High Court Ruled is the judge in this case in new york had erred in allowing these witnesses who were there to testify, trying to show a history of manipulation, but they were not associated with the charges at hand, and they ruled that was not allowed and the judge erred in allowing it, and didnt allow weinstein a fair trial. Hes, i believe, in court at this moment. Maybe the case hasnt begun. Hes there where they are going to vacate this conviction. You argue that the fact that these women bravely, weinsteins accusers, bravely came out and talked about what had happened to them, shifted Public Perceptions of sexual assault. I wonder if you think or if conversations youre having with some of these women, they view this as a setback for how we view these cases, how victims will be treated. I can only imagine this is retraumatizing many of these women. Yeah, i mean, look, this was the or one of the most symbolic cases of the me too movement, and so i think in a lot of ways weinstein really felt like progress. The conviction of Harvey Weinstein felt like big progress. And one of the things that i think those of us on the outside of the legal system dont necessarily understand is that the legal system is very far apart from the way we cultural view these cases. Theres a really interesting juxtaposition where the more voices that were coming forward, the more voices that were coming to proclaim me too to corroborate a story and to support it in the cultural mindset became a really believable case. Thats what believability began to look like, with the preponderance of voices. In the legal system, its entirely different. Youre not allowed in most cases to bring in witnesses or victims that do not have to do with the charges at hand. It is such a Thought Provoking and smart oped. I recommend it to people, they can find at nytimes. Com, where i go about 500 times a day. Jessica bennett, thank you for coming on the program. Much appreciated. Moments from now were going to get a huge decision from the fed connected to inflation. Will it bring relief to people who want to buy a home . First, you can watch the best parts of our show anytime on you tube. Just go to msnbc. Com jansing. Stay close. More Chris Jansing reports right after this. 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