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Hosting a very special conversation in new york citys historic apollo theater, all to talk about to his new book, met grandmotherly. You can catch it all on saturday night, 9 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc and streaming on peacock. Set your dvr if youve got hot plans on saturday but for now i wish you from all of our colleagues across the networks of his neck a very good night. Thanks thanks thank you for staying up late with me. Ill see you at the end of tomorrow. Thank you at home for joining me this hour. Have you ever seen veep . It aired for 7 seasons. Its julia dryphus. She won six consecutive emmys for it. She plays Vice President myer who is an Instant Iconic political figure. Even if you havent, she is very ambitious, she wants to be president not just Vice President and shes a total disaster. Shes a Political Animal but spends all her time having to put out fires of her own. Making fires of her staffs own making. Shes just a disaster. And one of the sort of signature production things on the show. One of the things she does to great effect is they use every last second of the show. During the ends credits, they highlight these Campaign Screw Ups and pr disasters. So the end credits are the best part of the show. They happen to be substantive or awkwardly trying to connect with High School Students who are visiting the Vice President s office. If youve seen the show you know about this excellent trick basically that they do at the end. Heres kind of a perfect example of a veep ends credit. This is her greeting people at a party at the Vice President s official residence. So you want to mingle . Yeah. Lets go mingle the [bleep ] out of it. Im so happy youre here. Jenny armitege disabled sports of america. Just had triplets. Triplet, wow. That must have hurt. Unless you had ha csection. Center for social action. A triathlete. No hes not. Hello. Liam miller, nasa. Thats an acronym for national aeronautics. Hes a baker. Wow. Hes a baker. Christ has risen. Hes a triathelete, no hes not. Iconic figure from the great show veep. Now this is a person who is not a tv character. His name is hovde. He is an actual person not a tv person who is running for an Actual Senate seat in wisconsin. Hes trying to unseat Tammy Baldwin in wisconsin. In wisconsin circles, hovdes recent attempts to say the pledge of allegiance emphatically has been set to the closing credits of veep. Because once you see it its impossible to not think of it. Watch him try to make it through the credits here. Im proud to be an american. I love my country. So lets say the pledge of allegiance together. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of america. And to the republic for which it stands, individule, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. God bless america. Go slay your speech. Thank you. Were all so blessed to be part of the greatest country in the history of mankind, america. Be of mankind, america. Be is he waiting to the end of the marching band. The part we also belatedly realize he puts his hand on his heart. The Republican Party really desperately wants to take that senate seat in wisconsin. Again that is the seat currently held by Tammy Baldwin. They want that seat. They really want to unseat her the problem is they have chosen this man as the candidate to try to do it. He has succeeded in making National Headlines as the Republican Senate candidate. Thats not necessarily an easy thing to do. The problem is, hes made the headlines for things like this. If you have in a nursing home, you only have 5 or 6 months expectancy. Almost no one in a nursing home is in any point to vote. Everyone if someone who has not heard the United States senate before can probably sus out thats probably not a great political strategy. Yeah old people shouldnt vote. Old people in Nursing Homes, they shouldnt be allowed. Most nursing home residents not at a point to vote. After that made headlines across wisconsin and indeed across new hampshire, mr. Hove tried to make it go ahead but did it again. This week he reiterated his belief that quote a large percentage of nursing home residents quote are not in the Mental Capacity to vote. Thats cleaning it up. When i said, people in Nursing Homes should not be allowed to vote let me clear that up. That a large percentage of people in Nursing Homes shouldnt be allowed to vote because they dont have the Mental Capacity for it. There, is that better. I should mention that description of the worlds most inept effort to clean up a political disaster. The account of that that that has quoted from, me quoting from a New York National story where the headline helps clear up the headline better. Lawsuit puts fresh focus on eric hovdes comments about older voters. What is this lawsuit, you say. Turns out that the same time he has been questioning the Mental Capacity of nursing home residents to vote he is also the head of a bank that is a codefendant in a california lawsuit that accuses a Senior Living facility of elder abuse, negligence and wrongful death. Hi is a codefendant in that lawsuit. His bank is a codefendant. Because it turns out that eric hovde in addition to running for senate in wisconsin he runs a bank that owns a nursing home that in california has given rise to a fairly gruesome elder abuse and wrongful death lawsuit. At which point youre thinking, wow. That puts a way worse, way darker spin on his already inexplicable comments about how we shouldnt allow people in Nursing Homes to vote because how dare they even try, right. But youre also thinking wait, why did you say california. I thought he was running for senate in wisconsin. Yes. Yes. This is another problem that the local news in wisconsin has been trying to tell people about this guy from the very beginning. Back in may 2023, quote, eric hovde might run for senate in wisconsin but hes living large in laguna beach, california. And theyre running the flag up the flag pole for the Republican Party before they picked him. Eric hovde was named as one of the most influential people in Orange County, Orange County california, where he lives. In laguna beach which is 2,000 miles away from wisconsin. He does run a bank. His bank is named a codefendant in a nursing home elder abuse lawsuit and hes running for senate in wisconsin. Where 18 of the population is over the age of 65. Hes running there by saying repeatedly that people in Nursing Homes shouldnt be allowed to vote because hey, they dont have it together. At most they have 6 months to live, why should they be voting. Amen. Go slinger speed way. Okay eric. And i should under score here how badly the republican participatety Republican Party wants to win this seat. Inexplicably this is the guy they picked. This is a live dynamic in the Republican Party in way more places than you would think. Here for example is the ap headline on the republicans u. S. Senate candidate in pennsylvania. David mccormick is gearing up for a senate run in pennsylvania. But he lives in connecticut. That seems bad. If you think about a Pennsylvania Senate race you will recall, republicans lost a shot at a winnable u. S. Senate seat last time around. Last election cycle when they, when they ran republican candidate memmet oz. Republicans ran memmet oz, dr. Oz for that seat. And candidates said he lives out of state and running in pennsylvania. They have developed a back story for their candidate. This time around who lives in connecticut, theyve decided hes going to describe himself as someone who started with nothing. Who grew up on a family farm in pennsylvania. Did he start with nothing . Did he grow up on a family farm in pennsylvania . What do you think . Quote, mr. Mccormick has explicitly said that he grew up on a farm. He claimed that he had quote started with nothing and that he quote didnt have anything. He and his campaign have recently described his parents as school teachers. In fact, mr. Mccormick is the son of a well regarded College President who later became chancellor of Higher Education systems in pennsylvania and in minnesota. Mccormick grew up in the sprawling president s residence which the students call the president s mansion. Or he started with nothing and grew up on a family farm. So in wisconsin, republicans are running a Salina Myer Under Study who is from california whos bank is being sued for elder abuse and who says dont let people in Nursing Homes vote. In pennsylvania, they are running a man who grew up in a literal president s mansion and who says he grew up with nothing and was so poor. And in pennsylvania they really want to take the senate seat there that is held by john test er. One of the things that makes john tester really popular in a worldly state like montana is Senator Tester is for real a real farmer, drives the tractor and everything. Republicans decided to run someone against tester who is a person from minnesota who grew up in the suburbs of st. Paul. Since he has been running against john tester hes made a big deal of saying he grew up near farmland. Turns out there was maybe farmland near the multimillion dollars lake house he grew up in in suburban st. Paul. So thats pretty much just like being a farmer. This follows another quite unusual controversy for this Montana Senate candidate in which he either dropped a loaded gun in a parking lot at Glacier National park and the gun went off when it hit the ground and he shot himself in the arm or he didnt really shoot himself in the arm by dropping a gun in the parking lot at glacier park but he nonetheless went to the hospital any way. While he did tell a u. S. Park ranger that he dropped a gun and shot himself, he was lying to the ranger because really he was trying to conceal the secret truth that he had an unreported secret war wound that he didnt want anyone to know about. But whatever happened it was definitely near farmland. Very near. You could smell it near by. In the vicinity. Theres another one. Michigan, Michigan Republicans are thrilled that democratic u. S. Senator Debby Stabinao is retiring in that state. They would like to take that senate seat in michigan so cue the headlines out of michigan. Quote, Michigan Republican candidate caught living in florida. This is about republican michigan u. S. Candidate mike rogers. His name is mike rogers. This confluence of where he lives and his name. Where is mr. Rogers neighborhood. He does appear to be registered to vote in florida at his very nice house in cape coral, florida. Where he is registered with the Republican Party in florida, voter status active. Where is mr. Rogers neighborhood indeed . In arizona, the senate seat there is another one that republicans would absolutely love to pick up with Kristin Cinema retiring. The republicans Senate Candidate in arizona kerry lake she does appear to live in arizona which is a big plus for this crop of Republican Senate candidates. Kind of a notable distinction in fact. In the case of arizona, youre going to need more than that. Because this for example is the new ad that the Democratic Senate campaign put out on kerry lake as a Senate Candidate in arizona and the issue of Abortion Rights in that state. Im incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law thats already in the books. I believe its ars133306 so it will prohibit abortion in arizona paving the way and setting course for other states to follow. This law passed the Arizona Supreme Court said this is the law of arizona. But unfortunately the people running our state have said were not going to enforce it. So its really political theater. We dont have that law as much as any of us really did. Shes not enforcing the law. So they dont have that. The only people who can enforce that law are sheriffs. And we need to start asking the sheriffs to enforce that. I havent changed actually, no. Havent changed actually, no. Kerry lake is the Republican Partys best idea of who they should run for the United States senate seat. That they really want to take this year in arizona. But clock the context, the specifics she was offering there in that state. She wants individual sheriffs in arizona to start enforcing the states 1864 abortion ban. Get out there, get to it, get out on the streets, find out whos pregnant. We want the sheriffs enforcing this. Watch when you cross county lines. Theres a lot going on in the Republican Party right now. And i know that, the partys president ial nominee their most recent former president donald trump. I know he sucks up all the commentary. Note what is going on in the Republican Party aside from him. Just look at aasz arizona for a second. In arizona theyre not only running kerry lake for senate. Arizona republicans just chose their representatives for the national party. You know its called the rnc, the Republican National committee. It is a committee. Every state sends two people to make up the committee. Every state gets two choices. They decided their two choices would be, this person. Who was literally expelled from the State Legislature recently after only being there for about three months. Heres how that was described in the Arizona Republican. Quote, she was expelled from the republican controlled house just three months into her term. This after she staged an all day live stream legislative hearing at which her witnesses talked about the many ways in which our elections were supposedly stolen. The highlight was a scottsdale agent making preposterous that they all accepted bribes from the sinaloan cartel. Now shes a top ranking official in the Republican Party. Just one of arizonas two representatives to the Republican National committee. But remember they get to pick two. The second representative Arizona Republicans just chose to represent their state at the rnc is this person. Who is a very special variety of Arizona Republican state senator. Heres how lori roberts at the Arizona Republic describes him today. Meet jake hoffman. This Queen Creek Rose to fame when he ran an internet scheme. A Digital Marketing firm where his job was to pay teenagers, some of them minors to set up fake personas and blanket social media with thousands of similar posts and down playing the impact of covid19. In other words jake hoffman wanted to fool you into thinking these were real people with conservative beliefs instead of what they were. A group of kids he was paying to deceive you. The posts cast doubt on the security of mail in ballots. Quote its the kind of thing you might expect to come out of russia. Instead it came out of phoenix. Or more specifically jake hoffmans secret cell of paid teenage trolls. That troll farm in phoenix was exposed in september of 2020. The same gentleman went on in december of 2020, to be one of the fake electors from arizona for trump. He in fact, is one of the fake electors who was criminally indicted in arizona for his alleged role in that scheme. He was indicted last week, and named Republican National Committee Man for the state of arizona just days later. Its not like they didnt know he had been indicted. They knew he was indicted then they picked him afterward. There are at least 53 people who have now been criminally charged with participating in the effort to keep trump in power after he lost reelection in 2020. And im not talking about the people who physically attacked congress to try to intimidate and physically stop congress from certifying the vote count on january 6th. You can hive all of those hundreds of people off. There are still at least 53 Republican Party officials and lawyers and activists who are facing Felony Criminal counts other than donald trump himself. And this is, this is sort of, this is me making my case to you. I think it is an under appreciated part of the politics, of the Republican Party in the trump era. I think it is an under appreciated part of politics in our country right now as trump is trying to return to the presidency again. That not only is he in the dark facing Felony Criminal charges as he tries to return to the white house. But also in the dock are the chair or former chair of the state republican parties in arizona and michigan, and georgia, and nevada. And serving republican elected officials in all of those states and they are all swing states. Trump advisor Peter Navarro is in jail right now. Today the u. S. Supreme court again rejected another request from him to get out of prison. He is currently serving time in prison for refusing to testify about his role in trumps efforts to overthrow the government. Clark just learned today in his disbarment proceedings, is arguing to the court there is no sanction other than disbarment that is suitable for clark given what he did. It would be inconsistent with our duty to the disciplinary system and to the profession to even suggest that a sanction other than disbarment should be contemplated. By attempting to violate the rules of professional conduct Jeffrey Clark betrayed those oaths and in doing so his country. Lawyers who betray their country must be disbarred. And i know that, the former president himself, former president and republican president ial nominee. I know him being on trial for multiple felonies is an amazing and unprecedented and frankly astonishing skeptical. Stick a pin in that idea of astonishing. Because the crime he is alleged to have quarterbacked to try to keep him in power despite losing reelection that crime is now a sprawling nationwide scandal that has resulted in dozens of republican officials almost in almost all the swing states being criminally charged and in all of the prominent lawyers involved in that effort either being criminally charged or having their law licenses put at risk or both. And yes, trump himself will be back in Court Tomorrow and theres stuff to know about that. Were going to get to that tonight. But no matter what happens to him, in his own felony cases, and in his own political trajectory. Do not lose sight of what is happening to the Republican Party while they have been drafting him off in the lead. Because it is an astonishing story on its own. And if all that is not enough. I might have Something Else that tops all of it. Even if mr. Veep is back there messing up the pledge of allegiance. I have more for you on that. 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As you can hear, boos rang out at the spokane Gop Convention after the Parties Vice Chair announced they will not be endorsing a candidate. It went that well, huh. This being a Republican State Convention in the age of republican candidates under donald trump. The event ended up with infighting and disputes and dysfunction. Delegates ultimately decided to endorse the trumpiest most extreme candidate but the other candidate says he will still run in the summers republican primary. All of that chaos was bucking all the the af news. Something slightly nuttier than that happened. They decided they would craft their public platform after dealing with the gubernatorial nomination. They decided they would add something new. As the Washington State Republican Party they would this year take a stand against democracy. And i do not mean this as a met fore. Metaphor. We do not want to be a democracy. Originally congressmen were elected by a direct democracy. Senators were elected by State Legislature and president s are elected by the electoral college. We are devolving into a a democracy. With the National Popular vote coming, were going to be voting our president by a democracy too. Bad idea. Bad idea. We are devolving into a democracy. We do not want to be a democracy. As the seattle types reported, delegates of the Washington State Republican Convention then stood one by one to argue that the should repeal the amendment. After that resolution passed, they went bigger. They voted to put this language into their Platform Quote we encourage republicans to substitute the words republican and republickism were previously they have used the word democracy. Everywhere that the word democracy is used favorly. We oppose legislation which makes our nation more democratic in nature. We oppose legislation that makes our nation more democratic in nature. So say Washington State republicans. Officially in writing in their party platform. Whats going on here . Joining us now is jerry cornfield. A politics reporter with the Washington State standard. He was at the Party Convention in spokane. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Looking outside. I am talking about what jumped out at me. Itch i know youve been covering politics in your state. What struck you about what happened there . I think what happened there through the platform which we know platforms want to elect the next governor or any of the statewide officials. But it did say that, republicans seem to be a little bit out of touch with the electoral in this state. Theres no republicans in statewide office. There hasnt been a republican governor since the 80s. Theyve voted not to endorse a sitting congressman newhouse. In part because he voted to impeach the former president. Not sure it represented the passions or even the thoughts of most washingtonians or those in the party. Whos an activist in the national Republican Party right now and the sort of median Republican Party voter in washington. Whats the make up of the delegates. Whats the atmosphere like and how many folks is this that are making these decisions . Theres 1,800 people were there and easy 2 3 were, align themselves with we the people. Or America First. You didnt hear donald trump mentioned a lot. You heard America First mentioned a bit. I think with the 70 of them endorsed the candidate. You know that you mentioned before, the conservative candidate. They didnt endorse the former congressman rickert the former sheriff. They represent the grass roots in washington. But the question is will they be there will if their candidates dont win in the primary in august. I think thats really the big question for republicans in Washington State. Democrats are on the verge, their confident they can get to a super majority control. In the house, senate and State Legislature. When they start writing and talking about these things in their platform. Its just going to scare off voters. Those who like their ideas are going to wonder if they elect people if theyre going to carry out any part of that platform. Yeah taking an overt anti democracy stance with an Exclamation Point among other things going to get you National Headlines. It is. Its interesting to have they had one line left in that resolution. They oppose all efforts to use American Military might to spread democracy around the world. Which you know, were hearing that folks dont want the american, americas military to be the Police Person of the world. And so its interesting they would put that in the same resolution. America first indeed. Jerry cornfield of the Washington State standard. Jerry i really appreciate you being here, thank you. Thank you. Weve got much more to come tonight. Stay with us. Hello, ghostbusters. Its doug. 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Then, the case in florida he demanded his supporters rally for him in person. Quote, all caps, see you in miami on tuesday. Local Law Enforcement prepared for crowds of up to 50,000 people after he said that. The actual crowd was closer to 500 people not 50,000 people. Ahead of Opening Statements in his new york Criminal Trial trump tried cranking the handle again. 72 hours until all hell breaks lose. If we fail to have a massive. It was Rudy Giulianis adult son and a smattering of other people and that was it. Trump has actually tried claiming that big throngs of people have been showing up to, protest and show their support for him in new york. Or at least that people have showed up trying to protest but he says police have been keeping them away. Hes trying claims on social media that the area in front of the court was completely shut down. He said thousands of people were turned away from the courthouse in Lower Manhattan by Steel Stantions and police. Again its not true. Police are not turning people away. There are no Steel Stantions blocking his supporters from Walking Around them. You can walk right up there. But by thursday the past week of testimony it was just this one dude named gary and that was about it. Because he has not just been predicting protests on his behalf. He has been commending his followers to protest for him. It is a little humiliating for trump. That this is happening. That he cant seem to summon a crowd. It is also speaking whether trump can command a crowd or are those days behind him. I think the other way that this functions is an important reminder that hes not getting who he wants in terms of daily stemlation. Stimulation. He doesnt have crowds of people chanting his name. Nobody is showing up for him. The court is kind of old and dingy. We can expect he can be disappointed, angry and delusional about the reasons that there are not people outside protesting for him. Inside the trial, he is likely to be bored and unhappy. While not receiving the kind of response and adoration from the people he expects to deliver that to him. Hiberman at the times recently put it this way. It is hard to recall any other time trump has been forced to be bored for so long. Quote the shared sense among many of his advisors is the process may damage him as much as a guilty verdict. The process they believe is its own punishment. If the process is the punishment here. What should we expect about what these next days will likely be like. Without any protesters and testimony we see coming around the corner that seems might be more boring than anything thats yet happened. How much worse is this about to get for him and can he pull the rip cord to get out of it. Thats next. Lawn disease . Been going around. So like other people have it and its not. Pick up a bag of the new Scotts Turf Builder healthy plus lawn food today. Feed your lawn. Feed it. Every day, more dog people are deciding its time for a fresh approach to pet food. 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You could get out of that courtroom and get back on the Campaign Trail you could avoid the punishment of having to show up for court every day. This is likely the only one of his trials happening before election day. If he goes out and campaigns he will likely be voted president. And this goes out any way. If he sticks it out at trial this is going to be another six weeks more. How much worse is this going to get for him. Joining us now is lisa ruben. Its great to see you, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. I know we disagree on this and i know you understand these things better than i do. So please tell me why trump should not plead guilty. Or why hes unlikely to plead guilty. Part of that is it necessitates the participation of the prosecutors and their negotiation. I dont see them negotiating down to one. If he were to plead guilty, judge marchand would want to sentence him immediately. I dont see a situation where he would want to postpone the sentencing until after the election. Trump would want this to happen because these are felonies that are punishable not for two or three months but years in jail. Even if he is going to be found guilty, presumably once he is elected if he does in fact, succeed in his reelection effort. If me sticks with the trial, the prospect that he can appeal his sentence would allow him theoretically to be able to stay the verdict and stay the sentencing. If he pleads guilty he loses control of that timing. Lisa, in terms of the process being the punishment for him. Weve both been in court. Weve seen the way that hes reacting physically to the strains of these long days in court. What are you expecting . What are you going to be watching for in terms of what its like in the courtroom for this next week . Say this next week or two . What kind of testimony are we going to be looking forward to . Is this going to be something that is even more egregiously tiring for him . I think it could be. Because if past is prologued, the last two witnesses were primarily there to help admit documents for the prosecution. It is not the most scintillating to listen to. The ability to stay awake and engage may be even more challenge than its been. Its one thing to remain at attention when everybody is talking about you and about salacious gossipy testimony. But the other of going through the minutia of bank records. If we continue to see testimony primarily with the goal of admitting documents the prosecutors need to connect the dots, count on donald trump to have a hard time staying engaged and to return to that big stack of papers hes been carrying with him which i think are mostly cherry picked articles that say good things about him to hold his attention. Lisa ruben, i know youll be back in the courtroom tomorrow. Thank you for staying with me. Thank you. Well be right back. E. 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