They treated this video as i did it. Signed documents representing themselves as the duly elected and qualified electors for president and Vice President for United States of america from the state of arizona and then they transmitted those documents to the National Archives and to congress for counting for u. S. President mike pence on january 6th even though joe biden had won arizona by more than 10,000 votes, and you know the rest Tonight Arizona General chris mayes indicted them on seven criminal charges along with seven other coconspirator teres. Those coconspirators are names that will be familiar to you reporting to reporting from multiple outlets mayer mark meadows, Trumps White House chief of of staff, all advising and representing trump in various election lawsuits and schemes along with Trump Campaign officials Boris Epstein and mike roman five of these seven people were also inidated for similar conduct in the State Of Georgia where jenna ellis has already pleaded guilty the 11 fake electors were part of a multistate scheme to help former President Trump overturn results of the 2020 election there are already prosecution of at least some of these fake electors in three of the seven states involved in that multistate scheme involving georgia, michigan, and nevada. But tonight marks the first time that criminal charges are being brought in the state of arizona. Were here because justice depends an answer to the efforts for the defendants and other indicted coconspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of arizonas voters during the 2020 election. Arizonas elec the people Ofti Arizona Elected president biden. Unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. The state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down Felony Indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. These chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. These a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. These are serious indictments. As for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this does appear ut he as Unindicted Coconspiratorter number 1. Joining me now are nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard, and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. My first thought was okay hes going to bleed out because we saw a similar scenario minus trump or plus trump in georgia and weve seen pdls there, and i just wonder this is a fairly relatively widea net, 18 peopl in this. Is your expectation some of them are going to plead out and become witnesses for state . Yes, althoughss some of the usual suspects are already unindicted coconspirators because they chose in advance of the indictment to cooperate. Namely ken chesebro appears to be undited and sydney powell seems to have pled out in georgia. Oend, you have all 11 arizona alternate or fake electors indicted here. Chances are that more than one of them will eventually plead out and give their cooperation. It is notable that vaughn, that Kenneth Chesebro seems to be and this is according to reportings from the Washingto Post seems to be all this. Illal read an excerpt tonight. Chris mayes, the attorney general had been squarely focused on conservatives late lastd year and then prosecutor met with Kenneth Chesebro. Chesebro provided records of those involved in the arizona effort. After that, they said, the arizona effort widened. How did she go about this, vaughn . It started out near the top. The fake certificate and sent it to washington, d. C. , these other seven individuals, the likes of john eastman, rudy giuliani, to Christina Bobb thai are still redacted in this indictment because they have yet to be actuallydi served here, these areve individuals that we tougher targets here and part of a greater conspiracy that is outlined by chris mayes, this investigation we first reported on this last summer and clearly she had what i call easier targets. She could havel focused on the electors but chris mayes who came into office in january last year intended to target and make it clear that this conspiracy was not only ath threat to the 2020 election but also the 2022 election and also future elections and clearly made the decision to proceed in a decision that castpr a wider ne. If i may what is notable about her indictment here is the fact she specifically outlines the fact sheal contends the 11 electors as well as these other 7 who are indicted as well that were trump attorneys or Trump Campaign officials, that they intended tols deceive the arizo voters. I just wantiz to read part of this. Rt defendants deceive the voters of arizona by falsely contending those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. It would encourage pence to reject the bidenharris votes on january 6. They were making the case this is just if in the scenario we actually found fraud mike pence could then go this route. But what kris mayes is outlining in the indictment is this was intendeds to seek donald trump whether he had the Electoral College votes or not. I was struck by the passage in the indictment. This seems legally significant, the sort of cover under which these fake electors have operated not just in arizona but other states. Well, this was a contingency plan. I thought that passage from an email from Coconspiratorter 5l is really damning. Just fyi i recall now there was a rush for legal petition to give cover for electors in arizona to vote on the 14th. That email is stunning, and that has been in the Public Domain before. In fact, t you can identify fro other Public Reporting who the Unindicted Coconspiratorter is, but i hadon forgotten about the details. Its just like many of the details in the Hush Money Trial thats currently going on are things we have known for years. So too is this an email thats been out in the Public Domain. But juxtaposed against all the litigation that was filed in arizona to see it one after the other fail and this admission from Unindicted Coconspiratorter, and by the way this was the cover, we were able toov file this other lawsuit in order to give legal cover to the fake elector scheme were giving you a reason. And its all there. And vaughn, when we talk about the ways this was an effort on the part of the a. G. Not just to seek accountability what happened in 2020 but also ensure against future fraudulent election tubehavior, you pointe out in the conversation with my colleague m chris hayes last ho is some of these people who have been t indicted are still very much involved in the Arizona Election infrastructure. Can you talk more about that. Lets choose tyler boyar as an example. Hes not going to be a Household Name to most folks but hes the rnc Committee Man in arizona. Hes the one at every rnc Committee Meeting winter meeting, Summer Meeting hes the one who has the vote for arizona. Hes the person not only one of these fake electors indicted but also the rnc committee meant hes also the Chief Operating Officer of turning point usa, which is the trump aligned organization that has garnered millions of dollars and its effectively taken over the Arizona Republican party in recentpu years. Tyler boyar, Charley Kirkner close with the likes of kari lake, Chris Homaday and is an election denier. Theres been a lot of frustration in the Republican Party with somehe folks who hav been around the Republican Party for abe while with some folks le tyler boyar and kari lake as well who came in and had this revelation, and ousted the likes of john mccain, ousted jeff flake. Jeff flake dropped out because he was losing in polling to kelly ward, and so all these years later these folks effectively took over the party are still effectively running the party. Their allies are the ones running for office here. Andfo theres little in kari lakes senate run here in 2024 is evidence of this. Of its the same allies of these very individuals that were naming in this indictment here along with folks like Boris Epstein, whos also unindicted in this, who continues to be the lead counsel advisor, Legal Advisor for a Donald Trumps 20 campaign. All these folks are still very muchlk in the game, so its not justso a matter of 2020 its a Bygone Era Making Good on tryino to bring justice to past actions but these are folks still inltimately involved whats happening in the next six months ahead of the 2024 election. Just to that end what do you see aswh the handshake between E Georgia Case and arizona case given the overlapping defendants in both. The fact jenna ellis plead out in georgia, does that suggest shes going to pleades out here . What can we map from arizona to georgia . Difficult to say because some of the facts are different and some of the communications also are very different. One thing that strikes me, though, is who isnt here. And thats obviously the former president o of the united state whos not a defendant here, and that leaves many people scratching their heads ass to y not. Ill venture one guess. On thursday, thats tomorrow, the United StatesSupreme Court is going to hear trumps president ial immunity argument. He has made president ial Immunity Arguments not only in the federalts Election Interference case but also in thE Georgia Case and also in the florida case. One reason that kris mayes may not have indicted donald trump here is she wants to see how that plays out first and give those unindicted to flip against the bus. Just when you think all the screws have turned, theres another turn of the script. Vaughn hilliard, amazing reporting. Deep cuts from the Arizona Election interference. Really appreciate your time tonight,ci sir. Lisa rubin, stay with me. Coming up trump has a new nickname tonight, Unindicted Coconspiratorter number 1, but tomorrow hell be back in a manhattan courtroom and known as Defendant Trump in the criminal Hush Money Trial. Well have more on the former president s escalating legal trials coming up next. S escalatl trials coming up next. Before Apoquel Chewable for allergic itch, giving dogs pills was a battle of wits. Oh maria, im wise to your foolish game. Is it gone . Totally gone. Itch relief just got easier apoquel, the trusted 1 treatment for allergic itch is now available in a Tasty Chewable that works in a day. Do not use in dogs with serious infections. May cause worsening of existing parasitic Skin Infestations or preexisting cancers and serious infections. New neoplasias have been observed. Do not use in dogs less than 12 months old. Ask your vet for Apoquel Chewable. We are awaiting a ruling from the judge in Donald TrumpsNew York CityHush Money Case on the issue of trumps gag order. Prosecutors are asking for ten 1,000 fines, 1,000 for each alleged violation of the gag order. But as they put it in the court yesterday thats is all theyre asking for now. While theyre not yet seeking an incarcerated penalty for donald trump they believe donald trump is aiming for just that. And for what its worth, right wing media seems to be angling for that, too. I would force them to throw me in jail if i were donald trump. The mug shot backfired. The indictments have been backfired. Being a martyr in jail for maybe what a day, 24 hours, i think that would be good. If they put him in jail for his First Amendment right, he would be like nelson mandela. Right after the court was allowed to break and allowed to use his phone again donald trump posted this on truth social. Highly conflicted to put it mildly. Judge juan merchan has taken away my right to free speech. Everyone is allowed to talk and lie about me but im not allowed to defend myself. This is Kangaroo Court and the judge should recuse himself. While attacking the judge does not run afoul of the Gag Order Trump is clearly poking the bear and running right up to the line of whats allowed. There is the legal side of this gag order, and were going to get some expert Help Unpacking that in just a minute. But theres also the media component. Yesterday we learned the full story how the National Enquirer and trump were in cahoots, not when it came to just catching and killing stories about donald trump like the Stormy Daniels story at the center of this case but also the explicit agreement between trump and the National Enquirer. The National Enquirer will publish glowing stories about trump and negative stories about his political opponents, ones the enquirer would embellish or just completely fabricate. So trump and the National Enquirer had an explicit symbiotic relationship, having access to donald trump helped the National Enquirer giving its readers what they apparently wanted, so the enquirer helped trump however he wanted. And just to be clear here it was a totally unethical arranged, but it really seems like trump and the right wing and right wing media today are doing something quite similar. There may not be an explis lt agreement, but there is certainly a symbiotic relationship here, and that could really matter when it comes to this gag order. From the very beginning of this trial rightwing media has been repeating trumps lies about this case even the small stuff like claiming the judge barred trump from going to his sons high school graduation. In reality the judge has yet to make a decision on that request. In ways both Big And Small rightwing media has been diminishing trumps potentially illegal actions in this case and claiming that trump being prosecuted is the real injustice here. Do you think this is just compensation for a Nondisclosure Agreement which happens all the time in big businesses especially . It was not wrong. You hire lawyers to solve problems, the lawyers solved those problems, you paid them. Thats it. You back up 2,000 years and this is the kind of thing they would do in the Roman Republic that led to the end of the romen republic. I beg to differ of that last point. Trump has himself twice now had his aides precipitate out a big stack of articles for him, articles he then waves around outside the courthouse claiming that the content of these articles vindicates him. These are articles that were over the last day and a half, very good articles that say the case is a sham and shouldnt be tried. It shouldnt have been submitted. Everyone of them saying your vote the authors of these articles that trump says vindicate him, all of those people and fox news regulars, contributors, analyst, very likely paid by fox. And all of them are saying things that are wildly off from what the rest of the legal world has concluded about this case. As much as donald trump is kicking and screaming about how he needs to be able to attack the witness and the prosecutors and the jury, as much as trump is claiming the judge must kill this gag order so trump can mount a proper Public Defense, does donald trump need to do it himself, because he sure seems to have plenty of other people doing that for him already. Last week rightwing media and fox news host jesse waters demonized individual members of this jury. And one of the things prosecutors cited specifically as one of the instances of trump breaking his gag order is trump quoting jesse waters and saying they are catching undercover liberal activists lying to the judge in order to get on the trump jury. But heres the thing. Jesse waters didnt actually say that. Trump added the part that read in order to get on the trump jury. But within hours jesse waters corrected trumps mistake for him, posting trumps incorrect version of the quote to waters own twitter account in effect retroactively making his own words, words that trump wanted them to be. Quite clearly and quite literally they are heeding trumps calls. They are taking his line edits. So what does a gag order mean when you have someone like this with a microphone . The guy needs exercise. Hes usually golfing, and so youre going to put a man whos almost 80 sitting in a room like this on his butt all that time, its unhealthy. He needs sunlight and needs activity. Theyre freezing him to death. He says its like 45 degrees in there, and theyre putting his life in danger. Back with me lisa rubin. Thank you both for being here tonight. I dont know, brian, i just what is the whats the point of a gag order honestly when you have a media Industrial Complex that is effectively acting as, you know, a Public Defense line for donald trump . I think youre asking exactly the right question. This was on my lined last week with the debates about the jurors and how much the Media Outlets share about the jury no matter how much shared by the New York Times and fox and ap, and i think its so important youre identifying this because we have to see while were on author un what is happening on author two. A year ago today Tucker Carlson was fired by fox news. And to foxs credit fox is a little bit less in craziville. For jesse waters, trump is god, right . And that is the programming every hour of every day on these other networks. Can i ask you because youve been inside the fox complex and you have deep connections and have reported out from there. The arrangement between trump and the National Enquirer was explicitly symbiotic saying we want a story about ted cruz, go write one and the National Enquirer would go fabricate one, right . Do you think trump even does he have the access to be able to have an arrangement like at fox news . He communicates directly with sean hannity. Yes, he does with individual hosts, not as the network as a whole. Murdoch who runs fox is in australia a lot of the year. Hes not wired in, he doesnt want to be, but he wants to keep the Business Humming and this is all about business. This is entirely about a financial relationship. They believe they had a fiduciary they believe this is the responsibility they have with the shareholders to keep the protrump propaganda going to keep the viewers watching. Then what youll see on the air on fox when they interview voters, the voters are saying the exact same thing jesse water is saying. From a legal perspective this seems like terra incognito. I was struck last week when jurors, multiple jurors were saying im worried about my safety, and judge merchan said im directing the press apply common sense and retrain from writing about anything that has to do with physical descriptions of the jurors. Thats nut necessary, serves no purpose. Hes asking the press and that includes main stream press, but is his ability to surcomscribe the amount of information put out there concerned today the press or is there anything legally he can do . I think those took it as a request. It became clear it wasnt much of a request at all, and there were people bristling on what they perceived as an incursion on their First Amendment rights. I do think theres a point to the gag order in that youre cutting off some of that Feedback Loop. The trump of it all. The trump of it all, which is to say one of the things that struck me is trump took something jesse waters liked, he added to it and made it more insidious, and three hours later that entire thing comes back out of jesse waters. To the extent that gag order disrupts that Feedback Loop but also taking from conservative media and that stack of articles the things that he likes, that might be a good thing particularly when the d. A. s office is arguing republication is a violation of the gag order in and of itself, which is something that todd blanche argued to the contrary, said the gag order prohibits making statements or directing others to make statements. It doesnt prohibit publication. The d. A. s Office Almost laughed at that and said, your honor, this isnt a totally fair analogy, but defamation law prohibits republication. If you can be held liable for republishing someone elses lies, why is it okay for him to do it in the context of this gag order . But dont sleep on this. When hes sharing these lies from fox, hes misinforming himself as well as his fans. Hes actually getting a work sense of this trial, his surroundings, why his fans arent showing up to the courthouse, which cracks me up thousands are being denied entry when no one wants to come. Hes being misinformed, which by the way hurt his presidency and hurt his post presidency as well. All of this in our lives need someone to tell us the truth. It doesnt seem trump has that person. Instead he has the opposite. He has these people that lie to him on television and every day and every night. Do you think removing him from part of the Feedback Loop changes the mendacity over at fox because jesse waters came up with these jurorlike Conspiracies Independent of donald trump. Remember donald trump theoretically retweeted an edited version of what jesse waters came up with. If its enforced. I wanted to point out something to you because the dynamic between merchan and trump now is very much a parallel between trump and lou kaplan who oversaw both e. Jean carroll trials. Im reading from the nbc news article where at the last trial he said, mr. Trump, i hope i dont have to consider excluding you from the trial. I understand youre very eager for me to do that. And as trump was walking out of the courtroom, i remember him sort of Pounding Table i would love that, i would love that. And thats sort of the dynamic thats going on with merchan, and merchan knows that, too. And so the trick for him is to hold out the stick without actually hilting trump with it. Incredible. And that is something we started this segment talking about the ways in which trump is running right up to the line. Rightwing media is saying go get arrested, sit in a cell for six hours, its not only going to be great for your grant, its going to be great infundraising. I think trump raised 5. 6 million in the first week of the Hush Money Trial, an average of 1 million a day. He knows where his bread and butter is coming from. Its so perverse all of a sudden these republicans care so deeply about the justice system. Comparing trumps treatment to Guantanamo Bay prisoners. Its incredible to see how theyre waking up all of a sudden to what its actually like to be a criminal defendant. Well, as it concerns one particular person who might face jail time. Thats what this is about. They are worshipping their cult leader. Why havent we gotten a ruling from judge merchan on this gag order yet . Judge merchan is a very careful jurist. He said yesterday at the gag hearing, youll recall he wanted Todd Blanche To Recase law to him that said republication was not a violation of gag order, he did not. I suspect well see something from judge merchan tomorrow or friday in writing that hell read from the bench and then make available for the public to see. In the meantime the d. A. s office has told us theyre going to file a third to show cause with respect to additional statements. And just yesterday while we were at the trial donald trump i guess before the trial must have done an interview with a news outlet in which he said the same things to Michael Cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. The escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. Yus, poking the bear quite literally. Well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. Lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. Still ahead tonight ill talk with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar about the massive protests. Tomorrow morning the Supreme Court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. Is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president . Thats next. 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Buy one line of unlimited, get one free for a year with Xfinity Mobile plus, save even more and get an eligible 5g phone on us visit xfinitymobile. Com today. Tomorrow morning at 10 00 a. M. The Supreme Court will hear Oral Arguments in donald j. Trump vs. The United States. That is the case that will decide whether trump can claim president ial immunity for his actions in and around the 2020 election and election subversion and therefore have his Election Interference case dismissed. Now, this case has effectively been frozen since december as the appeals process here as dragged onto the chagrin of anyone hoping the high court might expedite its ruling. Seven weeks ago the Supreme Court decided to add this case to the end of its current term which could mean the decision could not come down until late july. The mere fact it decided to take up this case in the first place guaranteed some kind of delay, and that in the end may be the most significant result of this appeal. Heres Rolling Stone describing team trumps attitude on the eve of Oral Arguments. Team trump is ready to lose the Supreme CourtImmunity Case, theyre celebrating. Donald trumps inner circle doesnt expect the Supreme Court to go along with the extreme arguments of Executive Power in the Immunity Case before the justices, but we already pulled off a heist, says a source close to trump. Joining us now is mark joseph stern, Senior Writer covering the courts and the law for slate magazine. Mark, thank you for being here tonight. First off, what are your expectations for these Oral Arguments tomorrow . And do you have any sort of, i dont know, game strategy as far as what the conservative and liberal justices on the court might do in terms of question and answer . So, look, i dont think the liberal justices are going to go as hard affsome of us might see to see as trumps attorneys. I think their number one goal will be to get john roberts, brett kavanaugh, and aimee Coney Barrett onboard with a decision that is firm and sent back down to the lower courts to kick this trial back into motion. With those three conservatives they are clearly the ones to watch. I think thomas and aleto have staked out a pretty strong protrump position. Gorsuch is somewhere in between. I think for chief Justice Roberts especially he probably recognizes at this point what that Rolling Stone article pointed out, which is that team trump has pulled off the heist. The Supreme Court has slow walked this case as compared to the Ballots Removal Case from earlier this term, the nixon cases in the 1970s during watergate. They have ensured, i think, that this trial will not happen before november, before election day. And, you know, when john roberts is embarrassed by a case, sometimes he kind of goes quiet. He doesnt say anything. And so one thing ill be looking to is whether the Chief Justice mostly keeps his mouth shut or whether he tries to direct arguments towards some kind of consensus position. I know this Supreme Court is quoteunquote impenerable and they dont Pay Attention to press, and theyre not victim to whatever Political Climate of the day is, but do you think the widespread public outcry over the slow pace with which theyve taken this up, the fact they took it up at all to begin with, will inform the time line upon which they rule . Do you think theyre going to expedite theyre ruling at if not the actual hearing . I do not, and ill tell you why because the rule of the Supreme Court is that as long as a dissenter is still writing his or her opinion, the court will not release the ruling. That was put to the test after the draft decision in dobbs leaked that decision overturning roe v. Wade. We know some of the justices pressed to release that quickly while the secenters were still writing. But a majority decided to not release until the end of the term. What that means is it effectively gives sam alito and Clarence Thomas an opportunity to help run out the clock for donald trump. They might take longer than they need to in writing the dissents, drag it out into the end of june and july and in effect push this trial date back even further. Theres really nothing the other justices can do about that, so i dont think we can expect a quick turn rule in this case. His wife was very much a big booster of the big lie. As of late thomas has been speaking from the bench more than he usually does. On Something Like this where hes so clearly well, he apparently has maybe a Conflict Of Interest or maybe shouldnt be ruling on it at all, would you expect he would be vocal tomorrow . Oh, absolutely. Clarence thomas super power i think is shamelessness. We saw this in the obstruction cases. Clarence thomas was leading the charge arguing the obstruction charges brought against the rioter uzwuillegitimate. He was accusing the Justice Department in essentially in engaging in selective prosecution. He was out front and center in really criticizing the Justice Department strategy of prosecuting January 6th Insurrectionists. I dont think he has any shame about this, i dont think he ever considered recusing, and i think if he takes a protrump stance in this case hell be very vocal, attempt to leave the court in that direction and not feel any sense of reticence just because his wife tried to overturn the election and was present at the speech on january 6th. Just wow where and a real moment, a real crisis point for the credibility of this court as it decides some major cases this term. Well see what tomorrow holds. Mark joseph stern, great to talk to you. Thanks, my friend. Coming up as the House Speaker tries to oust him johnson today tried to find someone else to be fired this time over propalestinian protests, coincidence there . Congresswoman ilhan omar joins me to discuss after the break. Is me to discuss after the break. Im protesting peacefully. That was the scene in austin earlier today after students at the University Of Texas walked out of class to peacefully protest the ongoing war in gaza. State and University Police some of whom were dressed in riot gear descended onto the crowd resulting in the violent clashes you see here. Dozens of Student Protests have taken place on College Campuses across the country and around the world this past week. Protests sparked by the ongoing humanitarian crisis in gaza where the death toll continues to rise amid reports of mass graves outside obliterated hospitals. At the center of all of this is an encampmentstyle protest currently on day eight at Columbia University here in New York City. Today Speaker Mike Johnson and some of his fellow republicans traveled to columbias campus to speak out against allegations of antisemitism and to chastise the protesters. My message to the students inside the encampment is go back to class and stop the nonsense. Stop wasting your Parents MoneyCongressman Whauler says i think thats right. I would tell you this is unacceptable and the American People are demanding accountability for it. Joining me now is democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who has been outspoken about these protests and the reason behind them. Were so happy to have you on the program tonight, congresswoman. First, let me ask you as a matter of political strategy, do you see a connection between the fact the farright maga caucus is effectively trying to oust Speaker Johnson and today he went to columbia to maybe prove his farright credentials . No, i mean its its very very much of a coincidence. This is a man who is holding onto his speakership. He knows he might be on the chopping block, and it is not surprising that he would go out to Columbia University and stir up really more anger and hate and endanger the lives of young people who are at the encampment at Columbia University. Do you have a theory i mean i have a theory, but the way in which the right wing has almost even taken it out of the debate of free speech antisemitism and made this a war against quoteunquote liberal elites, i have to call out what appears to be i dont know staggering hypocrisy on the part of josh hawley whos calling in the National Guard to be called in to disperse the National Protests and the same josh hawley fist pumping outside with january 6th rioters outside the capitol. How do you explain the discrepancy between the way they saw those individual and they way they see these individuals . I mean its a complete clown show. These people do not care about violent protests. They dont care about First Amendment. They care about their performing their political theater, which is what, you know, they most of the time do. These are people who supported insurrectionists on january 6th, who threatened the peaceful transfer of governance. It is really astonishing that they want to be taken seriously today as they called for the National Guard to come in. This is also a group of people who are first to criticize other countries as authoritarians when they call in the military to crackdown on peaceful protests and people who are speaking up for their for their rights, people who are standing up for human rights, people who are speaking up against their government utilizing their own resources, their tax dollars to help in what now has been considered a genocide that israel is carrying out against the people of gaza. I want people to actually understand why these kids are risking their academics and their ability to stay in Good Standing at their universities. They are worried what it means to grow up in a world where people can watch 35 nearly 35,000 people be killed to watch, you know, nearly 70 of them be children and women, to watch the destruction of 80 of infrastructure, to see a country with hold water, food, electricity to starve people and carry out, you know, collective punishment. Israel is being hauled in front of the International Courts and being accused of genocide. These kids dont want to be complacent. They dont want their tax dollars to be complacent. For the members who said dont waste your Parents Money, they dont want their Parents Money to go in supporting a genocide they oppose. And so i do believe that history is going to be on their side, and these members who think this is a political opportunity to turn the world against these people who are standing for a morally just, right cause are going to be looked at and mocked in history. I know you recently visited an encampment at the university of minnesota. Your daughter was arrested and expelled from bar nard for taking part in that protest. The senator said it solidifies youre a protest party. Hes not going to use me to get in Good Standing with his conference. This is probably one of the worst whips to exist in the history of congress. What i did was stand in solidarity with young people who are antiwar, who dont want their resources being utilized for war. What emmer does is stand with insurrectionists and believe its okay for his conference to visit January 6th Insurrectionist prisoners and call them political dissidents. This whole conference is a joke, and nobody should take them seriously. In the meantime we are seeing widespread widespread protest, outcry for what is happening over in gaza. Congresswoman ilhan omar, thank you again for your time and thoughts on this. Really appreciate it. As you should. Thank you for having me. Well be right back. You shoud thank you for having me. Well be right back arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal antiinflammatory medicine directly at the source. Voltaren, the joy of movement. A quick Programming Note for you. In just 12 hours the Supreme Court will hear Oral Arguments on Donald Trumps claim hes immune from all prosecution. Msnbc will be airing the full audio of those arguments starting live at 10 00 a. M. During those arguments trump himself will be sitting through the third day of testimony in his manhattan Hush Money Trial, so tomorrow night its a bonanza. We will have special coverage of both of those big trump trials led by my colleague, rachel maddow, starting at 8 00 p. M. Do not miss it. That is our show for tonight. Way too early with Jonathan Lemire is coming up next. These defendants deceived the citizens of arizona by falsely claiming that those votes were contingent only on a legal challenge that would change the outcome of the election. These are serious indictments. We intend to