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Good day. Im Chris Jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city, idahos abortion ban in front of the Supreme Court. The justices dealing with the fallout from roe v. Wades appeal. At stakes, what happens if the mother shows up in the er with both her baby and her health in peril . And the dangers for doctors navigating a very tricky legal space while making medical decisions. Plus, tensions easing at one university but expanding across the country with propalestinian demonstrators not backing down. Yale, columbia, nyu, tufts, emerson, uc berkeley now all with encampments. The challenges reverberaing from School Administrations to the white house. And with the new York City Court dark today, how are attorneys in Donald Trumps Hush Money Case spending those limited hours before they have to head back into the courtroom . And how will trumps attorneys push back against david pecker whose testimony has already shown the former president to be a willing participant in a scheme to skew the 2020 election. But we start at the Supreme Court where for the First Time Since they overturned roe v. Wade, justices are being forced to reckon with the byproduct of that decision and rule on the Abortion Issue all over again. At the heart of the arguments, whether idahos near total abortion ban should take precedence over federal law and block abortions. In situations where abortion would help stabilize pregnant patients undergoing a medical crisis. Now, idahos Attorney Says it should. The government disagreed. What idaho is doing is waiting for women to wait and deteriorate and suffer the Lifelong Health consequences with no possible upside for the fetus. It just stacks tragedy upon tragedy. And it cant be the you know, its become transfer is the appropriate standard of care in idaho, but it cant be the right standard of care to force somebody onto a helicopter. This Supreme Court battle over abortion, the second by the way in less than a month is adding new fuel to what was already one of this elections most controversial issues, and whatever the Court Decides could become precedent for the other states that also have bans on the books and the 140 Million People living in them. I want to bring in Yamiche Alcindor outside the Supreme Court, Eugene Daniels is politicos white house correspondent, coauthor of playbook and an msnbc political contributor, and robert gibbs served as White House Press secretary for president obama and is an msnbc political analyst. Yamiche, explain what the court is trying to decide and what we heard in arguments today. Chris, as you said, this is significant abortion case. A federal law that talks about Emergency Care and the fact that if you come into an emergency room, doctors have to stabilize you if you have an Emergency Health condition, whether or not that supersedes idahos law, which says that you are not allowed to have an abortion unless the womans life is in danger and unless she is basically dying in this case is what the federal federal government is saying here. This was a very interesting case to listen to because on the federal government side, you had them essentially saying that idahos law makes it necessary for a woman to be on deaths door in order to get an abortion. That is wrong, that it really should be about her health, and it should not take all the way until she gets so sick that theres no other option but to get an abortion. Idaho was arguing the opposite saying their law is sufficient, saying, in fact, that women can get the care that they need and women can even get care, it doesnt have to be right until theyre at deaths door. I will say in listening to the justices, they sounded like they were leaning towards siing with the government here. You even had someone like Amy Coney Barrett who is seen as a conservative justice, she was asked questions about prosecutorial misconduct and whether or not prosecutors would go after a doctor who said in good faith i gave this person an abortion because i felt like their health was at risk. You had a number of the liberal justices say this could lead to women having real issues with their fertility in the future if theyre allowed to get so sick their organs fail or they have forced hysterectomies. A really interesting case here. Its going to have a large impact. A number of cases had trigger laws. When the justices decide what they want to do with this case, its going to have ripple effects around the country. Polls indicate there are a growing number of people who Support Abortion Rights at least in some circumstances, right . Why against that backdrop do we have so many states passing these bans . Look, i think this has been a polarizing issue politically for quite some time. You have, as yamiche just said, trigger laws in states that may have passed laws a long time ago that have now caught up with where the Supreme Court is. Again, it shows you that theres red america and blue america. I think, though, increasingly the issue around abortion rights transcends red and blue america. We may have single Party Governments controlling legislatures in red and blue states, but weve seen this as a highly emotional issue. Its an issue that doesnt confine to traditional democrat and republican, and its a big win politically for democrats anytime the Supreme Courts discussing this, the news is discussing this or our Politics Center around it. Yamiche, these arguments touch all sorts of specific cases. They talked a little bit about it in the sound we played with Justice Kagan in the opening part. They talk about women at risk of losing their ability to have children at all going forward, having ectopic pregnancies, the risk of sepsis proving again that for millions of people this is not just something that might happen. It is something that has happened to them. Did the justices seem to be responding to those real world examples . They certainly did, especially when it came to Justice Kagan, justice sotomayor, and Justice Ketanji brown jackson. They said specifically what happens if a woman comes in and shes very sick, but shes not at deaths door but she ends up getting so sick she loses her organs, loses her Fallopian Tubes or a hysterectomy, her future fertility is impacted because doctors werent able to give her the care they needed. What if someone was having chest pains versus a heart attack. Thats what were talking about. They said if that person walked into an emergency room, doctors would say, okay, youre having chest pains. Its getting worse, we should make sure we treat you before you go into a fullblown heart attack. Idaho is telling doctors a person needs to be just about to have a heart attack or even in the middle of having a heart attack before they can get the treatment they need. That is not conducive with federal law, and they also said its not conducive with good faith medical care. The justices were honing in on that in particular talking about abortion, talking about the fact that theres a big difference between a health risk and death risk. We mentioned this is the second time in less than a month, eugene, and this is specifically about the idaho case, but the implications arent just for idaho, right . No, thats exactly right. All of these states that have bans or trigger laws like ya impeach was saying are watching these thing as its happening. The people who are really watching this biden white house, the biden ccampaign, democrats across the country. Every time that this has kind of come up over and over again since dobbs fell or since roe fell and dobbs came through, democrats and people who are proabortion have won, right, on every single ballot, whether it was the midterms, whether it was actual Abortion Referendums on the ballot, and the democrats have done something really interesting here. The stories that they are telling, the women that they are focusing on are women who would be impacted by an idaho law, right . Women who would need to be at deaths door. Women who might lose their ability to have children because a doctor wasnt able to give them an abortion. Those are the kinds of women that they are turning into surrogates and taking across the country as theyre talking about what republicans want to do. And so it is giving this case and any other case around the country whether its at the Supreme Court, the national Supreme Court or in a state, theyre giving more ammunition for democrats to go around and say these are the things that are happening. Were watching this happen to actual women. This isnt the specter of young people who have unprotected sex and then just accidentally get pregnant and need to get an abortion. This is about women who want to have children, people who want to have families and running into these extreme complications, and then losing their ability to have children or lose their or being in some kind of danger of going to jail or something with some of these laws. As a political issue, robert, i dont think theres any clearer divide than there is on abortion or the messaging around it, right . So yesterday what we heard in an interview from the former president , from donald trump was him saying how, actually, roe v. Wade turned this into a very simple situation. It gave everybody what they were looking for, this to be returned to states. The Abortion Issue has been largely taken off the table because when we did this, its what both sides, everybody wanted. Its tailor made now, its really working out well for people and theyre very happy. Thats his take on it. Let me play for you what joe biden said. For 50 years the court has recognized that women in america have a fundamental constitutional right, and then trump took it away by the deal he made. Now in America Today in 2024, women have fewer rights than their mothers and grandmothers had because of donald trump. Robert, take us inside the conversations and in the real world and the very few people and we talk about this a lot who actually will decide this election. Is this in the biden teams view the number one issue . Are republicans right, immigration is going to be the number one issue . Talk to us about the politics of this. Yeah, well, i mean, first and foremost, what donald trump is trying to do is wish into existence the hope that this issue is off the table. We know it is not off the table. It is not just on the table. Its in the center of the table. I dont think theres a more potent issue for the Biden Administration for this white house and this campaign because, again, this is an issue that transcends the typical red and blue. So youre going to see this front and center in what joe biden, kamala harris, you saw her move her schedule to show up in arizona after the Supreme Court there reinstituted a law that was passed in 1864. Look, youre going to see every single day the Biden Campaign hope that theres a discussion nationally about this issue. The Trump Campaign is going to try not to talk about this issue. Its not going to work well for the Trump Campaign to continue to try to pretend that this issue isnt going to be front and center. And again, i think as you mentioned, the people that are going to decide this race, suburban voters outside of milwaukee, suburban voters outside of detroit, suburban voters outside of phoenix and las vegas, all of those states, atlanta. Theyre watching this issue very closely. Theyre watching it for themselves. Theyre watching it for their families, and it is going to its going to be the biggest issue, i think, out there. Weve already seen arizona is absolutely a swing state. One of the closest in the 2020 election. The Supreme Courts ruling in arizona probably fundamentally changed the trajectory of where that states going to be. Yamiche alcindor, robert gibbs, thank you both. Eugene daniels, youre going to stay with me. In 60 seconds, more propalestinian demonstrations erupt at colleges across the country. Could College Graduations be at stake . Well head to the campus in the middle of this controversy. E ca middle of this controversy ill be honest. By the end of the day, my floors. Yeesh. But who has the time to clean . Thats why i love my swiffer wetjet. Its a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. Wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. Look at that swiffer wetjet. What if you could go from this to this. With just one step tresemme silk serum. 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According to a press release, to talk to jewish students about the, quote, troubling rise of virulent antisemitism on Americas College campuses. Nbcs Antonia Hylton reports from columbia, Eugene Daniels is also back with us, and i want to bring in former Ohio Republican governor and msnbc political analyst, john kasich. He is a Senior Fellow at odder bien university, which is my alma mater. Antonia, what is the scene like on campus at this hour . Reporter chris, it is still tense here even as some parts of the camp are set to come down. Student organizers have come to an agreement with the university, which includes the removal of some of the tents. The removal of anyone who is not a columbia student from the encampment area, following safety guidelines per the new york Fire Departments and making sure people are not using discriminatory or harassment style language in that encampment, which the protesters say they were already trying to ensure there. All the way through the wee hours of the night, students were on Edge Thinking that at any moment this school was going to send the nypd in, and so i would say that even as these ongoing negotiations are taking place, chris, it is incredibly, incredibly tense right now. Take a listen to two folks that our team has spoken with, a propalestinian student and a jewish student describing some of the environment here. If the university says, hey, no diploma if you continue in these actions, what would your choice be . I think i would have to think about that, but i would probably stay out here. I think, again, thats a small sacrifice in The Grand Scheme of things. Honestly, the only thing keeping me together is my friends at this point, and the community, the Jewish Community here, but were suffering. Reporter students, administrators, faculty, they will be watching as speaker johnson arrives as well here, chris, and its created an interesting political layer to the dynamic here. What were seeing on campus is now that the president has frankly lost all sides, propalestinian students are furious with her for the decision to bring the nypd in. They felt that she was threatening them last night with potential Law Enforcement response if they didnt acquiesce to her demands, and then jewish students that i speak to say that they feel she hasnt done enough to keep them safe, and we expect to hear speaker johnson call for her resignation, chris. So governor, we have seen these protests pop up literally from coast to coast, tensions have been high not just at columbia. Extremely high, i think you can say in some places since october 7th. Students should have the right to feel safe on campus how do you see the politics of this and how concerning is this . Well, chris, i dont really care much about the politics. What i care about is people do have at a university the right to protest and free speech, but they do not have the right to disrupt or take away the rights of others, and universities have to be very firm about this. Ive talked to a president of a university, hes been at many universities. He said, look, free speech, the ability to protest, thats fine. But when it gets into the rights of other people who are at that university, thats where you draw the line and you must take action. And so thats sort of my sense about it. I mean, let the free speech go, but at the same time, do not be trying to disrupt the life of somebody else and their rights as well. This is if we go to the politics, eugene, complicated. President biden has, of course, weighed in here saying theres absolutely no place for antisemitism on College Campuses anywhere in the country. We should all be able to agree on that, pretty straightforward. But biden also contends who dont understand whats going on with the palestinian people. There is no end to this war in sight, so how does he continue to navigate this, and how much of a mine field does the white house see this as with all of these young folks either protesting or feeling like their College Experience is being impacted by it . They are very aware that the protests arent going anywhere for them. Even after school, not every young person goes to college. But they know this is kind of really happening at universities right now. But they also when they think about the politics of it, this is also for the Biden Campaign, the biden white house, a subset of a subset of a group. Me and my colleague Elena Schneider published a story and asked that story for the Biden Campaign, for the white house, how much is this concerning them when it comes to Youth Turnout in november. They already have issues with Youth Turnout, youth apathy in this election. In every poll, President Biden is beating trump with youth people, but its the number with young people, excuse me. The numbers are lower than they were in 2020 for him. What they say essentially is that theyre concerned on like on the human level, right . Making sure that the kids on each side of this issue feel heard and feel safe and finding ways to do that. But at the end of the day, when you look at polling and a Harvard Youth poll came out just last week, 2 of young people that were polled said that the issue in palestine and in The Middle East was their number one issue, it was a huge issue for them. They are concerned about it. They know its not going anywhere. All the democrats say its a pr problem, right . You have the hum, the convention coming up this summer. They know that protests are going to happen there, everywhere basically that President Biden or Vice President harris, really anyone whos ever been attached to the Biden Harris Campaign or administration are going to continue getting protested, and so its this needle theyre trying to thread, and you can see that when President Biden kind of equivocated and said i condemn both sides, people who are doing the antisemitic things but also the people who are trying to understand the plight of the palestinians, and i think that is where youre going to continue to see him doing that, and hes struggling with that because, one, hes someone who considers and called himself a zionist, hes also extremely frustrated with what were seeing in gaza happening because of Benjamin Netanyahu who he is losing patience with. So governor, the politics of this is let me just say one thing here. Sure. Its okay to be out there to protest what you see. You know, we went through it, chris, vietnam war and protests. People can protest whats going on in gaza, but when this begins to slip into what has been an evil in the world for centuries, and that is the drift into antisemitism and im not trying to say that anybody whos protesting you link to that, i dont think thats true, but i myself have experienced this. I built a memorial on the grounds of the ohio state house grounds, a memorial for the holocaust. Its the only one standing, as i understand permanently on a grounds of a state house in the country. We couldnt have a ceremony there. The security people that protected the capitol, that protected me said we cant do it. The threat of violence think about this. We have a memorial that is reminding people of the slaughter of jews, the slaughter of homosexuals, of gypsies. We couldnt have the ceremony. We had to have it across the street and then come and unveil the thing. Its one thing to protest. Im all for the ability to protest, but we have to all be careful that we dont drift, anybody drifts into antisemitism, and we see it, we got to separate that antisemitism from the ability to protest that war. But when it starts to drift in and when people start when jews in particular start to feel threatened, we have a real problem, and weve moved from discussion and maybe perhaps everyone love, we begin to see antisemitism, which is hate. Because you happen to disagree with the war in gaza, doesnt mean youre antisemitic. Im just saying weve got to watch this, the kind of acts that have been happening in the country, the painting of swastikas on synagogues, that kind of stuff, that is now way beyond the pale. Thats not protesting. Thats pure hatred. So antonia, where does this go from here, as you said, there are still incredibly high tensions there. They had this starting, what, at 3 00 this morning, 48 hours where they said they are going to continue to talk. Is there a middle ground that youre hearing about . And to also look at the political side of it, is it your sense that this political activism will make its way to the voting booth in november . Reporter well, chris, there are a few things going on here. The first is that these negotiations are very much ongoing, and what the students hope to extract from the administration are assurances that nothing like what happened at kent state, the entrance of the National Guard or even a return of the nypd is imminent, and were hearing from organizers that they feel secure at this moment, but that things are still fluid in those conversations, and certainly from the statement that the president released last night, it seems the school is leaving their options for what safety, security and restoring calm will look like. The Bigger Picture here, when you talk to students here who are involved in these, so student who is identify as democrats typically, people who have voted for President Joe Biden in the past, a feeling of exasperation, of disgust. Those are words that i often hear when i talk to young people, this feeling like they are put in an impossible position, you know. They identify as democrats so they dont want to vote for former president trump, but they are seeing images of what has transpired in gaza, and so theyre really not sure that they are going to vote for this president unless something changes at the national level. And so while this is certainly a story about the tensions between administration at a school, free speech on campus, and safety, it is also very much a National Story that is going to have implications for months, chris. Antonia hylton, eugene danielings, former governor john kasich, thank you all. Still ahead, President Biden signing that 95 billion foreign aid package that includes a major crackdown on tiktok. That and what it all means for speaker johnsons future next. Plus, a violent January 6th Rioter who a young woman caught use ago dating app set to be sentenced in just about half an hour. Those details coming up. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Sing reports only on msnbc tennis for babies, but for adults. It should be called wiffle tennis. Pickle yeah, aw whoo these guys are intense. We got nothing to worry about. With e trade from morgan stanley, were ready for whatever gets served up. Dude, you gotta work on your trash talk. Id rather work on saving for retirement. Or college, since you like to get schooled. Thats a pretty good burn, right . Got him. Good game. Thanks for coming to our clinic, first ones free. All of the things that youre looking for in a pad, that is always discreet. Look at how it absorbs all the liquid. 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Reporter we are able to report they have already been used as ukraine is trying to defend itself against the russian invasion, and we know that for a long time they have requested things like these kinds of longrange missiles and the u. S. In the past has provided whats known as medium range Ballistic Missiles. But this is the first time according to this reporting by my colleague Courtney Kube that theyre actually acknowledging providing these longer term missiles, and the reason that that is important is because for operational and security reasons, they havent wanted to go into the specifics of when they were given to ukraine by the u. S. And how they were being used, but now we can reveal that indeed the first strike was about 100 miles inside of crimeas border on the morning of april 17th, which targeted a Russian Military airfield according to these officials, and the Ukrainian Military also has used these u. S. Provided Army Tactical missile systems. Thats, again, known as the attack ups for the second time most recently this tuesday night targeting Russian Forces east of the ukrainian town of ber dans k in zaporizhzhia. This is important because just today, chris, the president did sign this additional package, its going to send billions to ukraine to fortify things like a armored vehicles, air defense systems, things that really have been running incredibly low, these attack ems have been something and they did provided medium range ones in 2023. They didnt reveal them because they were worried about these operational reasons, they didnt want to telegraph to russia what ukraine had. The longer range you can go with these missiles, the more damage you can do, the more targeted you can be with some of this that ukraine had not been able to do in the past. This is an important step and one that is part of the overall priority for the u. S. To keep helping ukraine in its battle against russia. Chris. Monica alba, thank you for that. And as she just said after nearly seven months of congressional wrangling over foreign aid, President Biden has signed a 95 billion package that sends aid to ukraine, ra israel and taiwan, and he promises its going to get out the door immediately. Im making sure the shipments start right away. In the next few hours, literally the few hours were going to begin sending equipment to ukraine for air defense munitions, for artillery, for Rocket Systems and armored vehicles. The bill passed the senate last night by an overwhelming margin, 7918. Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell blamed the delay in getting it done on two men, Tucker Carlson and donald trump. I think the demonization of ukraine began by Tucker Carlson, who in my opinion ended up where he should have been all along, which is interviewing vladimir putin, and so he had an enormous audience, which convinced a lot of Rank And File republicans that maybe this was a mistake and then our nominee for president didnt seem to want us to do anything at all. That took months. Nbcs Julie Tsirkin is on capitol hill. So julie, what specifically is in the bill and what could this mean for Speaker Mike Johnson who really put his job on the line to get this passed in the house. Reporter yeah, he did, it was an aboutface for the speaker who as a Rank And File member voted against aid for ukraine and coming out sort of stunning all of us the week before he put this bill on the floor saying that aiding and arming ukraine is, quote, critically important. This mcconnell as you just heard highlighted Tucker Carlson, the former president most especially with standing in the way of letting johnson do that, but it was really trump sort of staying out of all of this in the last couple of weeks seeing speaker johnson at maralago the week before this bill made it to the house Floor Sort Of Giving Johnson his blessing to put this on the floor without so far as outright saying it that enabled johnson to do it in the end. Also coming out with words of encouragement and support for the speaker as recently as yesterday. Well see if thats enough to keep those hardliners, three of which who have threatened to bring up that motion to vacate to kick johnson out to keep those voices at bay. This is a pivotal historic moment. You see some of whats in this bill on your screen. It provides the 26 billion to israel, billions more in humanitarian aid for gaza, 8 billion for taiwan in the indopacific region, and of course that 60 billion to ukraine, the bulk of this funding that was so tied up here in capitol hill for months and months because of political infighting among republicans, that vote yesterday, though, extremely telling. Yes, 18 voted against it, but when you break that number down, 15 republican, out of 49 in the conference ended up voting against this package. Im told by Sources Republicans who support ukraine aid, that this is the moment youre going to see them start to corner, those isolationist voices putting them in the corner, using this momentum to speak to the importance not only of ukraine aid but also of north korea, of iran, of russia, and how all of these pieces tie together, chris. Julie tsirkin, thank you. In less than 30 minutes a January 6th Rioter is set to be sentenced to prison after his conversations on the dating app bumble were turned over to the fbi. Andrew take pled guilty to assaulting police with a deadly and dangerous weapon during the attack on the capitol after the woman he was messaging on that dating app turned him in. Ryan reilly is following this for us. What are we expecting today and give us the back story . Essentially how this came about is a young woman who is living in d. C. , went on bumble, changed her political views to conservative and tried to Start Talking to a bunch of dudes, and she got several of them to admit they were near the capitol, including this individual. She was sort of astonished, that she used comically minimal egostroking that was really effective here, essentially just buttering him up a little bit and he was willing to sort of spill the goods and bragged about being on the front lines there, sort of went into this brag a doishs mentality. One of her friends joked, all it took was her essentially saying ha ha, then what happened, and she would turn over this information. The feds are seeking 6. 5 years in federal prison. Theres until sentence involving a gop mayoral candidate from connecticut who the feds are only seeking 30 days for. He was an individual that was actually identified by online sleuths and our colleague at nbc connecticut actually went and confronted him when he was at an alderman meeting at this small town in connecticut and he ultimately admitted he was there. Prosecutors have pointed to that nbc interview saying that he did not appear to show any signs of remorse there so i think thats what theyre going to be focusing on. Thats going to be very much on the low end of these. Of course the sentences have ranged all the way up to 22 years. A lot of these cases continue to churn their way through the system as they are today here, chris. The cases are very serious, but no matter how much more time i have on the air today, and im going to say its about ab hour and 23 minutes, comically minimal egostroking will remain the phrase of the day. Ryan reilly, thank you for that. Coming up, trumps Hush Money Trial resumes in less than 24 hours. Whats next and how are the lawyers getting ready for it . Our legal experts are standing by to explain on Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Snbc with nurtec odt, i found relief. The only Migraine Medication that helps treat and prevent, all in one. To those with migraine, i see you. For the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of Episodic Migraine in adults. Dont take if allergic to nurtec odt. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Its time we all shine. Talk to a Healthcare Provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. Imagine a future where plastic is not wasted. 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You think about if youre the prosecutors, you think about not only what ground you havent covered yet, but to what extent you want to double back and without asking cumulative questions, seek some clarification on things that might not have come out as cleanly as you want them to. If youre the defense, conversely, youre reading that transcript and already planning your cross. Some of which you might have to write on the fly. So if youre a defense lawyer, you have a Cross Examination Outline ready, anticipaing the lines of questioning that the prosecutors are going to ask, but having a day off from trial is golden because you can read the transcripts and tweak that outline and perfect it and quote to things that that witness actually said as youre anticipating your cross. Can you make up for there are people who are great on the fly, right . And a great lawyer, a truly great lawyer can respond in Cross Examination to something they say, can remember exactly what maybe they say during their direct. Can put it into context on the fly, but can you make up for it with preparation . You can make up for some of it with preparation, but of course we also know David Peck Er is going to be on the stand tomorrow. Given what we have chronologically, i would anticipate david pecker would be on the stand for the bulk of the day if not the entirety of the day. So think about it this way. If i am the defense right now, yes, i have some time to prepare right now with respect to what hes already said, but the rest of it, someone is going to have to be tweaked as you go, and also, team work makes up for each individual persons perhaps, you know, some people are differently nimble on the fly, but Teamwork Counts in that instance. You want your if youre the person taking that cross, you want to have team members who are really acutely listening to the things that you need to elicit during that cross to get your Defense Points out. Charles, already yesterday was intense. It was also i think you can make the argument a tabloid day. We learned a lot about catch and kill, how that works, and that was, frankly, fodder for jokes including this one, a joke maybe, from senator mitt rom nae. Romney, take a listen. I think everybody has made their own assessment of president trumps character and so far as i know, you dont pay someone 130,000 not to have sex with you. So how much of a challenge, charles, is it for the prosecution to take what was sometimes salacious, often riveting story lines and turn them into, move them into an area of Criminal Behavior when questioning resumes. Well, chris, for as much comically minimal egostroking as we did not hear from david pecker yesterday around donald trump, i think that what he did do for the prosecution was lay out very clearly for them and for the jury what this case is about and provide them with framework to begin telling the story. Ultimately, you dont want to necessarily worry about the salacious details becoming too much of a focus because if you tell the story correctly, youll have them placed in such a way that the jurys not thinking about them once you get to the legal elements of the crime, and i think thats how this story is being told by the prosecution and its witnesses. By the time we Start Talking about the documents and where theyre placed, you wont be focused on the actual salacious nature of donald trump having an extramarital affair or this catch and kill scheme necessarily, but those will be background matters that the jury has become acquainted with that will place everything into context. Thats how you keep the balance between these details becoming the Center Taking center stage as opposed to becoming a distraction that ultimately could detract from your case if youre the prosecution. Weve only got a minute left, charles, but donald trump on his Truth Social Railed against the gag order, and were still waiting for judge merchan to rule if hell be held in contempt for alleged violations. I think now there are 11, correct me if im wrong on that, that are alleged by the prosecution. Let me ask you the question that a lot of lawyers have raised, whats he waiting for . Why this delay . Well, i think that judge merchan was originally allowing the prosecution to present some additional examples of where they felt like donald trump had violated the gag order, and in that time, he has done exactly what many of us expected him to do, which was continue to violate the gag order. For Audience Members who are watching, the question i dont think at this point is whether judge merchan will find that hes violated the gag order or that he should be held in contempt. The question is what does that actually look like . Is it a fine . How much is a threat of jail going to come or is judge merchan going to outline a plan for future responses to donald trump if and when this behavior continues . Its going to be another day tomorrow, folks. Another day. Charles coleman, lisa rubin, thank you both, and ill see you soon. Up next, a new federal rule just unveiled today means youll get cash back if you find yourself in a travel nightmare. Well explain on Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Bc zz. You skipped a step. Tresemme silk serum. Use before styling for three days of weightlessly smooth hair that frizz cant beat. New tresemme keratin smooth collection. Ah, these bills are crazy. She has no idea shes sitting on a goldmine. 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