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Welcome to prime time weekend, lets get right to the weeks top stories. With less than two weeks to go before he makes history by becoming the first expresident of these United States to ever stand trial on criminal charges, donald trump is turning to a tactic straight out of a mobsters playbook. The expresident , going after the daughter of the new york judge, judge merchan, who is overseeing the criminal hush money case. In typical trump fashion, his attacks have been filled with foaming at the mouth rage and bluster, and conspiracy theories with a dash of disinformation for good measure. The expresident accusing the judges daughter of sharing a photo of donald trump behind bars on social media. Court officials quickly knocked that down, but trump hasnt stopped going after the judges daughter. He has posted about her at least four times since tuesday morning. Trumps attacks began one day after judge merchan imposed a gag order on donald trump, prohibiting him from lashing out against witnesses. Jurors, court staff, and prosecutors, although donald trump can make comments about the judge and trump dancing around his gag order with an appalling attack on the judges family is part of a pattern for donald trump. We who cover him are all too familiar with it by now. Trump attacks anyone and everyone, who is part of any process that seeks to hold him accountable, especially when he gets nervous about it. Inevitably, threats, intimidation, and even violence and sue. The situation is so dire and so troubling, so unprecedented, and such a deep and obvious threat to the rule of law that a sitting judge has taken the extraordinary step of speaking out. Federal judge reggie walton, a stalwart conservative appointed by president george h. W. Bush, and george w. Bush to the bench has faced threats because of his work and handling january 6th the defendants in their cases. Heres what he had to say in those extraordinary Public Comments last night. Its really disconcerting to have someone making comments about a judge, particularly problematic when those comments are in the form of a threat, especially if they are directed at once family. We do these jobs because were committed to the rule of law and we believe in the rule of law and the rule of law can only function effectively when we have judges who are prepared to carry out their duties without the threat of potential physical harm. Without ever mentioning donald trump by name, judge walton pointed out that anyone with a platform much less the kind of platform that comes with being an expresident and the current Presumptive Republican president ial nominee has a responsibility to be careful with what they say. I would think that any reasonable thinking person would appreciate that when they say things, they can resonate with others. I think thats particularly true when you have somebody who has status in our society, and they make certain statements, it can cause people to act on those statements even if they dont necessarily intend for someone to do so. I think its important that people in positions of authority be very circumspect in reference to the things that they say, so that theyre not causing others to act on what they say and maybe cause injury or death to someone as a result of that. Even more direct, says walton from a colleague and friend of this show, who lamented that judge walton even had to do what he did there, Go On Television to defend the rule of law and the Justice System from an expresident , tweeted this, the nation is witnessing the determined delegitimization of both its federal and state judiciaries. And the systematic dismantling of its system of justice and rule of law. The former president of the United States. Never in American History has any person, let alone a president of the United States leveled such threatening attacks against the federal and state court. And federal and state judicial officers of the kind of the former president has leveled continually, now, for years. Suffice it to say, never in history has any person leveled such attacks and then met with such passivity, acquiescence, and submissiveness by the nation. The threat to the rule of law posed by an expresident who does not hesitate to target judges and their children is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. Former Federal Judge Michael Dudek is here, also with his former assistant u. S. Attorney and msnbc legal analyst is here, plus msnbc Legal Correspondent lisa rubin joins us, and our friend at msnbc National Affairs analyst john heilman is here. Its time to do something different. Were not going to have this conversation again, ive come on the air with Breaking News about request for gag orders because of threats for judges and their kids more times than i can count today before i got ready. And i think its time, i dont know who has to write the banners at the bottom of my show, but donald trump broke the rule of law. We should cover a broken judiciary in this country. Donald trump managed to delay every federal criminal trial based on fact that he barely denies. Donald trump managed to enlist the Supreme Court in a delay of process, the highest court in the land. Donald trump brazenly and repeatedly attacks not just judges, and ive had the privilege of sitting across not just from you, but from whose son was assassinated by a crazy person. Judges dont have Secret Service protecting them. They dont even always have, her child answered the door. What are we going to do different, because donald trump sure isnt changing. Nicole, thank you for having me with you this afternoon. First, we all should congratulate and thank judge walton for his interview last night, coming forward with the perilous state of the federal judiciary. It took great courage for him to do that. He is one of the first, to my knowledge, sitting Federal Judges ever to appear on television, to speak about a need of the federal court system. We all have to understand that, from the first time that the former president began his attacks, vicious attacks on the federal courts, and the state courts, and their individual judges, his objective was to do delegitimize those cords. So that when and if they ruled against him, in the various matters that hes been charged with, then at least his followers, if not a good part of the nation, would dismiss those rulings against him as having been politically inspired and motivated. In particular, in most of these instances, politically inspired by resident joe biden in his administration, Merrick Garland and the department of justice, that led into what we have today. The former president is now actually campaigning for the presidency again of americas institutions of democracy and law. Hes the only one at the moment the claiming that those institutions are no longer legitimate. But, many and many of his followers believe it today, and they will cast their votes in favor of donald trump in november on the basis that our institutions of law and democracy are no longer functioning. Thats the tragedy, thats the tragedy that the nation faces right now. Weve acquiesced in that to date. Acquiesced, meaning, not one Single Person in a position of responsibility to address this issue has done so, for want of courage unless we as a nation address this issue, then were careening toward the effective end of the rule of law in america. Judge, let me press you on that. I think acquiescence and passivity are the words that captured my attention in your tweet. Trump, has achieved the mission of delegitimizing our elections. Steve kerr nikes analysis of the exit polls from Super Tuesday suggest that anywhere from 58 to 65 of republicans who dissipate on Super Tuesday, think donald trump won in 2020. Donald trump use of the criminal actions against him as a prod to raise money and to raise fervor and hes already delegitimize the criminal prosecution and Justice System in a manner more successfully than any professional mobster. The reason that some of the safeguards exist in the Criminal Justice process is because even a hardened criminal is interested in serving less time. Trump isnt, hes interesting in pardoning himself, there are no levers inside american criminal, but in the criminal Justice System there are no levers to press when it comes to trump. How do we adjust and adapt . Youre exactly right, nicole. As ive said over the past months, donald trump has largely succeeded in delegitimizing both americas democracy and elections, as well as the constitution and the rule of law. To your reference, to a mobster, make no mistake, a mobster could never posed a threat that donald trump poses to American Democracy and the rule of law. Its the fact that he was a president of the United States of america and is now attempting to delegitimize americas democracy, the constitution, and the rule of law. Thats the existential threat that faces america today. I dont know, judge merchan, i dont know his daughter and i would never lay on to them any perceived reactions to these threats. But i am a parent, when you are a parent, anyone that threatens your child, it is a terrifying and paralyzing reaction. That any parent has. That is, we give these individuals space, and we dont platform the attacks but i think were post platform. Im going to make the decision to read the attacks on judge merchans daughter. Trump posted this to his millions of followers. Judge merchan is totally compromised and should be removed from this trump non case immediately. His daughter, lauren, is a Rabid Trump Hater who has admitted to having conversations with her father about me. And yet, he gagged me. She works for to joe biden, kamala harris, adam schiff, and other radical leftists who campaigned on getting trump and fund raise off the biden indictments. Including this witchhunt, which her father presides over, a total conflict and attacking bidens political opponent through the courts. Former d. A. Cy vance refused to bring this case as did all federal agencies including elections. That has been disseminated, that is out there. What, in your view, is the appropriate response . That, nicole, is the Republican Partys nominee for the presidency of the United States, in november of 2024. The Republican Party has enabled donald trump up to this point. For the past 3 1 2 years, and its determined to enable him for the next until the election in november. At this point, it remains to be seen, at this very, very late point, nicole, it remains to be seen whether donald trump will prevail in his standoff against america, its constitutions, its rule of law, and its institutions of law and democracy. That is a terrible statement to have to make peer i feel like some of this is on us, we have political conversations and youre one of the few people who is part of both of them. The Legal Process was trumps political message. Maybe for too long we covered, the sanctity of the Legal Process is lets not politicize it but trump didnt separate them. When you look at the number of people who think the elections arent legitimate, the numbers are probably higher on the rule of law and the courts in america. Right, nicole, this has been my question that i ask people to anybody else who has an actual law degree unlike me, if were, for not having one of those. Its a blessing some days and occurs others. But, its always been clear, weve been debating the question of gag orders, what would trump get slapped with in these cases, and we knew that he would act out, that he would use his platforms to attack jurors, potential jurors, judges, potential judges, judges families, anybody he could attack and that there was no way that was ever going to stop, and it was not going to ever stop, in my jaundiced view, there was never a world in which a gag order was going to stop donald trump, he was going to do this and there the courts to slapped giant fines on him, or hold him in contempt and send them to jail. My question to the lawyers has always been, do you really think thats going to happen . Do any of these judges, are they actually going to do that, or are they going to be, for one reason or another, because they are enthralled to past president , they think that they are still living the old world where their courtroom is sanctified and a place where the law is all that rules in the courtroom, theyve never dealt like a thing with donald trump before or they think that somehow trump will use it against them if they put him in jail or find him heavily, in a political context and say hes having his First Amendment rights squelched, and that will backfire in some way. I dont know what goes on in the minds of the judges, but i heard judge say 100 true, and yet not really an answer. We are going to see trump do this over and over again in every one of these legal cases, so the question i ask again, always, to the lawyers, is, what is it going to take for a judge to finally say enough, and either level a giant fine against trump, or take the step that is within their power in the circumstances if he violates a gag order and toss him in the pokey for some period of time. Whats it going to take . Are we ever going to see that or not . Lisa rubin, do you want to answer that . A really difficult question to answer. Im not sure were going to see that but im also not sure that issuing a further gag order is necessarily the answer, here. I had a conversation earlier today with Michael Cohen, who as we all know is a known witness in his upcoming case before judge merchan, and is a person covered by this existing gag order. We can talk about all the ways in which judge merchan and his daughter are not currently protected, and Michael Cohen is, and Michael Collins point to me was, if you think that the Gag Order Changes in the universe in which i live is a witness, and a known enemy of donald trump, youve got Something Else coming. I walked down the street every day in fear, i get Death Threats every day, because i am a person known to be involved in this proceeding, and the fact that he can no longer speak out against me even if he abides by that order doesnt change the daily existence for me and my family. Not only do i want to say to john, i dont know what the answer is, but i will tell you that even further expanding the mechanisms that we already have, doesnt seem to be an answer for those people who are already protected because, for them, the damage has already been done. Thats because the real threats here, now, are coming from the monologue, they are abigail joe, Abigail Joe Schreier is the woman who called the chambers shortly after the federal election interference indictment was handed down, and made a threat to her voicemail that is so uglier that i wont repeat it here except to say, she is now under indictment herself. We used to live in a world where the threats to judges were from actual litigants before them, thats the situation in which the judge found herself when her son was murdered by somebody who had been a litigant before her. That was also the case and the case of Federal Judge joan who still serves on the bench and whose husband and mother were murdered by someone who had been a litigant before her. Even years before then, there was a Federal District judge in new york who was murdered in his backyard by the father of a woman who had a bias case against him that he had dismissed. But were far afield from that, now. The threats to judges and their families are no longer even coming from actual litigants, they are coming from adherence to every word that those litigants utter, and worse that they might not be uttering at all the people in their universes are uttering as surrogates on their behalf, without any fingerprints on it, without any overt encouragement or direction, thats the atmosphere in which were living now and i fear that the gag order itself is insufficient for the times in which we live. Weve had a lot of these conversations, donald trump made a mockery of an insurrection, donald trump made a mockery of the molar investigation, donald trump made a mockery of our election, donald trump has made a mockery of every institution hes touched or turned and talked about. He has now made a mockery of the rule of law, and i wonder what you think the rule of law and those who care about it do in response . You know, there actually is an answer to this problem. There is a solution that none of the institutions of government, none of the judges, none of the prosecutors, have thus far been willing to do. In 30 years, every single time i had a grand jury Return Felony Charges against a defendant, i had a decision to make. I had to decide whether to file a motion for pretrial detention. The only factors that entered into that decision were, is there clear and convincing evidence that the defendant is a danger to the community, or even one person in the community . If the answer to that question was yes, i was obliged to file a motion for pretrial. I was obliged to do it to protect the victim, i was obliged to do it to protect the community, and i knew that it was a lawful vehicle to mitigate the danger. No institution of government, no judge, no prosecutor, has been willing to apply that law the way it would be applied to you, me, everybody on this panel and virtually everybody else in america who wasnt named donald trump. I maintain donald trump is the single most dangerous defendant who is on pretrial release in the United States of america. He is a danger to the community, hes a danger to the witnesses, hes a danger to the jurors, hes a danger to the judges and their staff, hes a danger to the prosecutors and their staff, hes a danger to the Family Members of all of those groups, and thus far, the institutions of government and the good people that populate those institutions have been willing to sacrifice the safety of all of those people. Indeed, theyve been willing to bet the future of our democracy on it, rather than hold donald trump accountable as the law provides in the pretrial detention arena. That is the solution to the problem. I think, nicole, part of the challenge is donald trump almost has too many criminal cases up and running at the same time, and there are four judges and forward teams of prosecutors saying, maybe one of the other judges or the other prosecutors will apply the law of pretrial detention as it was designed to be applied, and thus far, nobody has applied it. Plied it. Ry. With the chase ink card, we got up and running in no time. Earn unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card. Make more of whats yours. What if you could go from this to this. With just one step tresemme silk serum. Time for the ultimate humidity test. Weightlessly smooth hair your turn. New tresemme keratin smooth collection. Starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant. Thats a different story. With the chase ink card, we got up and running in no time. Earn unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase with the chase ink business unlimited card. 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The Manhattan District Attorney is asking judge merchan whether the gag order imposed on trump does apply to Family Members of the judge and prosecutor. All of this in response to trumps repeated attacks against the daughter of judge merchan. In b. C. Lisa rubin who may have thought she was done with us his back, for the Breaking News. This is one of those situations where the filing conventions in this case really complicate our jobs we heard from the trump side that in reality, this request was initially made by the d. A. S team. I understand was made yesterday morning, because it was made before the most recent of trumps posts about the judge overseeing the hush money case, his daughter. Is to clarify and confirm that his gag order which was entered on tuesday of this week, not only extends to his family but also to Family Members of the District Attorney himself its largely understood that the District Attorney and the judge are themselves not covered by this gag order. In his request, made yesterday morning, the d. A. S office is not asking for an expansion of a gag order or a new gag order but instead asking judge merchan to clarify or confirm that his daughter and the Family Members of the District Attorney are themselves covered. We, earlier in this hour, covered that in former president trumps lawyers have responded today, saying that thats inappropriate, that other outlets have reported that they arent covered and they drop a footnote referencing by the Associated Press and writers that they say in the event that judge merchan is considering making his daughter subject to this gag order, full briefing is necessary because of the implications for former president trumps First Amendment rights, and then they take a swipe at judge merchans daughter, who is, as i understand it, well into her 30s, a leader of a Digital Strategy firm, employed both by political campaigns and nonprofits, and they say because she is engaged and providing support to the enemies of former president trump, it is totally appropriate for him to talk about her, certainly we are waiting for the judge to have some word, here, but this is already hotly contested between the two sides. I am a parent, and im outraged that a defendant of any kind would go after a judiciaries Family Member but its particularly pernicious, where is the Family Member is a grown person in her own right. Whatever you might think about judge merchans daughter, her father is no more responsible for her Career Choices or her clients than my father who is a retired School Principal and administrator is for mine. And i particularly find it offensive that were talking about a grown woman who should have agency to live her life on her own terms, but instead is being subjected to attacks by the former president of the United States using the largest megaphone in the land, second only to the incumbent president , perhaps. Is this who you want, someone is going to threaten the safety and security of the adult daughter of someone . Hes a thug, hes a bully and a thug, you have to stand up to a bully. Im someone who believes that the voters are going to have the most powerful say in november, i think that important to issue a vote of no confidence, no interest in trump and trumpism. At the same time, its this behavior thats the exact reason why its so important to hold donald trump accountable. There are some people who have said in manhattan, is not as serious as others, in other ways, hes operating the same impunity that weve seen all along, he cannot be Above The Law you can have a President Sitting in the oval office who is Above The Law. He should be held accountable. I think that when you look at the fact of, the absurdity that someone would be responsible for their 30year old daughter, and that their daughter would even be mentioned, i have two daughters in their 30s. They have nothing to do with what i do in terms of the decision, they both are activists, but its absurd, it shows how callous and low this man will go, theres nothing offlimits to him, not only is he a thug, he is a thug that has no boundaries. He must think hes really screwed in this case if hes acting so crazy. The one that is not convinced is donald trump. He would not be throwing all of these accusations out, if he was not convinced that this could be serious. D be serious. With powerful, easytouse tools, power e trade makes complex trading easier. React to fastmoving markets with dynamic charting and a Futures Ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you wont miss an opportunity. E trade from morgan stanley. So you wont miss an opnext. Nity. Next. Stop. We got it . No. Keep going. Aga. [ sigh ] next. Next. If you dont pick one. Oh, you have time. Am i keeping you from your job. Next. I dont even know where i am anymore. Stop. Do we finally have it . Lets go back to the beginning. Are you. Your electric future. Customized. The fullyelectric audi q4 etron. I brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. Ugh. Here, ill take that. Woo hoo ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. And a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. i think this is a giant step forward for alabama, i think its a victory tonight, for women, for families, for alabama in general, i want to get down there and repeal the bad ban on no exceptions abortion. I want to protect ivf and contraception. It feels like is the start of a change here. That was marilyn lands last night, after her victory in a special election to fill a vacant house seat in alabama. She didnt just flip a seed from red to blue, she won by 25 points. And she did by campaigning openly as you heard in that clip on Reproductive Freedom. In every single election on abortion since roe was overturned with no sign of its potency and electoral power subsiding. This issue is likely to serve Democratic Candidates better, and make things worse for the Republican Party as november nears. President of Reproductive Freedom is back with us, basil is here, i dont want to be surprised because i want to have faith in that what unites us but were you surprised not just by her victory but her margins . We felt confident about the campaign she was running, the strategy, the margins, they were really the shot in the arm we needed again. Much like those early ballot initiatives, to make sure were staying on track with Reproductive Freedom messaging, that we are seeing the real time impact, when you have candidates like marilyn who didnt just support repetitive freedom, she made the centerpiece of her election, and told her own abortion story in an ad in the campaign. This was a really empowering moment for the movement and women in alabama but also a really critical Strategy Lesson that when we lean in as candidates, candidates lean in and lead and personalize this, its really compelling and its a winning message. You know what i think of amanda, its also women taking the most painful and horrible tragedies that theyve experienced in an effort to have families thats changed the conversation, i want to show our viewers some of what youre talking about, this is the ad telling her story. Today in alabama, women have fewer freedoms than they did 20 years ago. I know, because two decades ago i faced the hardest decision of my life, too. My baby had an underdeveloped brain, a heart, lungs, the doctors all advised that i terminate the pregnancy. All three doctors said this is absolutely what you need to do. Your health is at risk. But this isnt just my story. This is our story, its the story of millions of women who live in places where maga extremists are devising new and cruel ways to further erode our most basic freedoms. They didnt have a plan for dealing with women who want these babies desperately. These are their babies, but before they suffer or endanger their own lives they have to make excruciating decisions. She did this with three doctors in the room. And you know where i come down, this should be accessible, safe, and available to every woman in every circumstance. But, this was one of the stories, the story she told, and it seems to have galvanized and resulted in the margin youre talking about work its such a good point. The antiabortion extremists have known about these stories for decades. Lets be clear. Weve been fighting about abortion access, coverage of abortion, who can provide abortions, how it gets funded, for decades. In the Supreme Court of the federal level, the state and local level, we have surfaced as a movement these types of exact stories, again, for decades. If they were unprepared, it was callous disregard, and they really thought people would not speak out. Theres been so much stigma around abortion, and toward women telling their Abortion Stories. They really thought a lot of these women would stay silent and i agree with you, folks like amanda, even some of the candidates coming forward and talking about their Abortion Stories in their family, theyre heroes and doing critical work connecting the dots between Public Policy and whats happening in real peoples lives. Its so important, i love that we get to the tectonic shifting. I have to speak in a quick break first, well be right back. Back. So this is pickleball . Pickle ah, these guys are intense. With e trade from morgan stanley, were ready for whatever gets served up. Dude, you gotta work on your trash talk. 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Leqvio® stomach back with basil and many, weve been talking about structural pieces of the selection, this feels the most structural. When many use the term Public Policy, id love to hear more. Its what i do. It feels right here in the got. As much as we talk about money in politics, history is replete with people with money that lose elections. I always say message comes before money. I was reminded today about former member of Congress Carol mccarthy, whose husband was killed in a shooting on the Long Island Railroad 1993. The republican in the district doubled down after that shooting, on the second amendment. Carolyn, who was a nurse said, i have to do something about this. She ran and she won, and it reminds that issues really do matter, and if youre consistent, if you bring in allies which she was able to do which was this race, that were talking about, when you bring in those allies, when you bring in that new coalition, it can propel you forward in ways we didnt expect. This story is amazing to me because its about issues, and its about digging deep into those issues and creating a movement around it which is so special and remarkable. What basil is saying, its about story and the tragedy is that for so many women, this is our story. This is what happens, this is what happened to us, what happened to our sister, our best friend. Whether its an abortion, unplanned pregnancy, nonviable pregnancy, the need to turn to ivf for fertility, this is every womans story. And youre going to see the campaign, both the Biden Harris Campaign as well as up and down the ticket in the state races, friends of the Democratic Legislative Campaign committee were really instrumental in this race and have decided that for the second cycle in a row, abortion is going to be a tip of the spear issue for all of their candidates. Youre going to see more content and ads of reallife women telling their stories, of families that have been impacted , as these have been in place longer and longer, were seeing more folks willing to come out and its going to be a critical piece of the message. Going into this election. For all of us that have been having this conversation, this is to be continued, thank you so much for your time today. For mac Donald Thompson latest brag about his Golf Trophies is much more serious than the punchline its become. Rick riley will be here, the author of one of my favorite trump books, commander in chief, how golf explains trump. Hes our next guest, dont go anywhere. For us, its eggs any as long as theyre the best. egglands best. Rsv is out there. For those 60 years and older protect against rsv with arexvy. Arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. 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Forget what other celebrities have described, leg bound balls miraculously recovered nearby, dry as a bone, in the end golf is just a game, but the way one conducts themselves while they play golf is not. If you cheat moral things, imagine what you do with the big things. The stuff that actually matters. Joining us now, the expert on this particular matter, the author of so help me golf, why we love the name and commander in chief, howd golf explains trump, my interview with you got me through the trump presidency, because i think how a man or woman golfs is how a man or woman lives. Take me back through what youve reported, in the book about Trump Cheating at golf. Nicole, ive always said it reveals a lot about a guy. Thank you for that. And about this guy, he cannot lose, he has to win. He will do anything to cheat, i know because i played golf with him once, he took seven mulligans, he took ginny chipping. Hes won tournaments where hes not even in the state, when the tournament is played, he won one in north korea. When he was talking, he won one in florida, he couldnt have been there. I think it was this year, he won a two day tournament, when one year he was at a funeral, whatever that was, on one of the two days he wasnt even at the tournament. When he does he just calls in and says, i usually beat that guy, give me the trophy. I know this because when i play with him he goes, you know what i do to win these championships, dont you . And im like, please, give it to me. And he goes, anytime i buy a new course, i played the first round by myself, and then i declare myself the club champion. Hes never won a championship, he says he has 23 or something. Hes never won a championship at a course he doesnt own and operate. Hes played in pebble beach, hes played in the tahoe, where there are rules, and judges and cameras, and those hes never finished in the top half. So, he wins when anybody who disagrees that he won is out of the club. Thats how he wins. What does it say to other, golf is, who doesnt cheat, we dont let them see that golf because its not that those of the sport. Can we talk about how outside the echoes of the sport it is to cheat so audaciously . I dont know anything about politics but i know about golf, ive covered it for 45 years. Its not a sport where you cheat. Its just not in the game. Because, nicole, if youre 100 yards over here and im 100 yards that way, i trust that youre not going to throw it, and you trust but im not going to, and thats the only way to play. There is no refs. You cant possibly cover that much territory. But with trump, not only does he kick it, cheat like a Mafia Accountant three card monte dealer, he gets your ball and throws that in trouble. There is stories of him kicking his opponents balls into bunkers because what he does, you know golf carts . Golf carts always get a turbocharged golf cart that goes three times as fast as yours, so is always 200 yards ahead, and that gives him time to cheat, kick your ball, throw his out, one time in l. A. , he was playing 50 per hole with these three guys, he hits it in the pond, they see the splash, by the time they get there, its the middle of the fairway and theyre like, what, donald . He says it must have been the tide. Let me ask you, not a political question but i golf question. Doesnt It Take Enablers to let someone cheat . Does the sport usually purge out a cheater, or does the sport role in size that someone like him . When ive asked people, how did you let him cheat, he and when i asked him why did you let him cheat, and take the 20 bucks, they all say the same thing. I wanted my own story about Trump Cheating. Thats amazing. So thats not how we do it in golf. Thats why i was so disappointed to see my hero, jack nicholas, at maralago last week for this Phony Baloney fake as theyll be the Cheese Ceremony where trump gave himself two championships. Jack nicholas was there. Which i think is the first sign of senility. When you start believing it. You can say that hes bad at golf and cheat might be with the one that makes him the most mad. This has been prime time weekend, please tune into debt that all of our prime time shows weekdays on msnbc. You didnt live this strong, this long to get put on the shelf like a porcelain doll. If you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and are at high risk for fracture, you can build new bone with evenity®. Ask your doctor if you can do more than just slowing down bone loss with evenity®. Want stronger bones . Then build new bone; evenity® can help in just 12 months. Evenity® is proven to reduce Spine Fracture Risk by 73 . 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