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When . Weeks and still has not ruled. Nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. Where do things stand after todays arguments . Reporter judge Aileen Cannon said she would rule promptly on these two motions to dismiss and seemed skeptical this afternoon of the argument about the president ial records act. Remember, what donald trump is saying under the president ial records act he could deem any record in the white house whether classified document about Nuclear Secrets or identity of the cia officer, foreign asset, he could deem that a personal record, take it home and store it in his bathroom. Special counsel jack smith says than an absurd argument and eastern the judge said i dont see how that gets dismissal of the indictment. That one. Another argument, motion to dismiss on the grounds the Espionage Act is unconstitutionally vague. Argued that this morning. A long shot. A law used hundreds of times to prosecute people who have taken home or leaked classified documents. Pretty well established. Some legal experts have said never should have been a hearing on these motions as they put it borderline frivolous. Nonetheless the judge had that hearing. Hours of legal argument time. Donald trump there in the courtroom. Now says shes going to rule promptly. Bottom line, theres seven motions to dismiss. This was two of them. She keeping having hearings. This case is never going to get to trial before the election, katy. I was going to ask you about. Said rule promptly on these hearings. What about the may 20th date thats currently on the books but says is likely to get pushed. Why have we not heard a new date from her . Reporter thats anybodys guess. She asked the parties to name a date they thought was plausible. Remember . Jack smiths office said august. Donald trumps team said september immediately took it back saying really they dont think the case should go to trial before the election. Jump cannon hasnt ruled or set a new date. The current date is not happening obviously because so much litigation and motions practice left to has in this case. Shes really dragging it out. Whether its, some people argue just an inexperienced judge. Not used to dealing with complex matters about Classified Information and taking her time. Result of that is that this case is taking a long time to get to trial. Ken dilanian, thank you very much. Joining us now former assistant District Attorney add the manhattan District Attorneys office and misnbt legal analyst and msnbc Legal Correspondent sitting with me here in the studio. Lisa, bring me up to speed on the arguments that trumps team was making in court. Were there any that judge Aileen Cannon seemed to be a little softer on . Well, at one point during the hearing today according to our nbc news colleagues in the courtroom she essentially asked why the lack of demand from the National Archives for the records as of the time that trump left the white house . Wasnt it selfdeterminative . Thats not the way the president ial records act works. President ial records act essentially says when you leave your term of Office Everything that belongs to your presidency, all of those records, they are in the legal custody of the National Archives even if it takes some time to transfer them to their custody. So cannon is betraying sort of a lack of understanding of how the law works. I think special counsels office definitely took an opportunity to remind her that thats the way that it works, and also that the National Archives were diligent in pursuit of those records. By end of the hearing, according to nbc news colleagues that pra argument is not one that will lead to a dismissal. So many classified documents at heart of this, big arguments how donald trump could view them. Have those arguments been settled . Has he been reviewing evidence, his team doing the work preparing for a trial that may or may not happen . Thats kind of opaque to us. In part because they have to review the documents in a secure facility. Donald trump himself is allowed to review those documents in that secure facility. Accompanied by his counsel. He cannot be left in the room alone. With those classified documents, to which he has access. As part of this case, but he doesnt necessarily have access to all of them. Judge cannon has now ruled on some of the issues that were in dispute between the parties about the use of Classified Information. Those rulings are under seal. A lot of that remain as big Question Mark above our heads. Lots of big Question Marks. Ask you about the other big Question Mark. Timing. Ken said al generous review havent does a lot of experience matters like with a case this many classified documents, National Security importance and this is her taking her time . Is that a fair reading what might be going on . Im going to give, never could take judges publicly. Try to give them benefit of doubt and i will giver that. One of those legal an lifts why are we having hearings, could have been decided on papers. She is not just a very longterm judge spent many years in practice. This is a judge who also had been reversed two times. Some judges who, want you to brief everything, have a hearing on everything because the fear of being reversed. They want to make sure that theyve been, procedure, fair to both sides. A generous view is that judge cannon is shes taking her time because she doesnt want to make a mistake, but this will obviously delay this case from going to trial. Do you think well have hearings in all of the seven motions ken mentioned . Three of the seven that he spoke about a moment ago . I hope not, but shes going to be acting this way, shes going to have a hearing on everything and were just not going to get a trial date. What do you think of the trump teams arguments in his defense . I was trained as a young ada that if you cant make an argument way straight face dont make it. Some arguments i dont know how they made it way straight face or how you can argue that a plan of attack or topsecret document is an official personal, not an official document, its a personal document. So some of their arguments i agree with the special counsel. Were quite ludicrous and ridiculous. And it just, you know, thankfully appears that judge cannon is not falling for it, as she said i dont see how this gets you to the dismissal of the indictment, but i dont think any of their arguments are substantive and should be taken seriously. So classified documents case, not sure when it goes to trial or when the election interference case, jack smiths case will go to trial because the Supreme Court is hearing of immunity happening in about two and a half weeks. About two and a half weeks. A week and a half . No. About a month and a half. April 25th. My brain. About a week away, a little more than a week way from Jury Selection in the Stormy Daniels case that starts march 25th. Judge marchand is expected to make rulings. What does he have to tie up . Got to tie up what is allowed from an evidentiary perspective and argument perspective. Before trial both sides will go to him with sort of large picture issues. Exclude this witness. Prevent the other side from making that argument. Those are the rulings were expecting today. In particular look out for his determination of whether Michael Cohen can be a witness. What evidence is allowed to crossexamine Michael Cohen and more importantly, whether the access Hollywood Tape comes into evidence. Means Something Different here than in the e. Jean carroll trial. Goes to the intent of payoff with Stormy Daniels. Draft exchanged with her lawyers. After release of tape motive, prevent his campaign from further going into a tailspin after that disclosure. A heavy moment in 2016. The campaign didnt know whether they would be able to survive. Everybody in the Republican Party, it seemed, backing away from him. Teary firstperson Video Testimonials from senators like mike lee of utah crying how he were disgusting what he said and the couldnt stand by him. Canceled from a paul ryan event. Didnt show up to show up and stand next to him in wisconsin. A very big deal and felt like the campaign would die. Interesting that might be introduced as evidence. Ask one question about the other case. I know were trying to keep them all in our head. This one in Fulton County. Just scott mcafee has said that he will rule on whether hes going to disqualify d. A. Fani willis by end of two weeks. That is tomorrow. He had a a ruling just the other day dismissing some of the charges against donald trump and some of the coconspirators. How did you read into that . Some people are reading into that therefore means hes not going to disqualify d. A. Willis. I didnt read that into it but i think not disqualify d. A. Willis. Not because she didnt do an unforced error, which i think she has done, but because theres been no proof, in my opinion, theres been an actual conflicts of interests that the d. A. Has a personal interest or stake in the outcome. Theres been no proof a calculated plan to prejudice the defendant in the jurors minds. I dont think the defense made that standard. If he, the judge decides an appearance of improprietiership, of course. Disqualify her. If thats the stand a lot of elected d. A. s throughout the country disqualified because of the appearance of impropriety. Consistently impressed were able to keep all of these judges in order. Lisa, the dates when it comes to dates coming up when. If scott mcafee in georgia leads the case in d. A. Fani willis hands could that go to trial before the election . Before the election . Katy, hard to say. Playing trial tetris. Right. Generous interpretation of Aileen Cannons failure to set a trial date, for example, she might be waiting for the Supreme Court to decide on immunity and seeing what judge chutkan does. Her case is the most trialready of the three. A lot of proceedings necessary with respect to the classified documents case. Due to the sprawl of the rico case depending how many defendants remain in the case may be difficult to trial that case before the election. The other Hand Department of Justice Policy wouldnt preclude the State Of Georgia from trying that case because it doesnt say that he is immune from prosecution necessarily by a state or that he can essentially pardon himself from state prosecution. The other news we got today in terms of legal stuff is peter navarro. Rejected latest effort to stay out of prison. Walk us through that decision . I havent read it. So i cant really answer that, but it doesnt surprise me that they would, like, say you have to serve your time. He did not give any valid reasons why they should, you know, prevent that from happening, but i havent been able to read that decision. All right. Hes going to have to, seems, go to prison. Gotdancing here for a second because we have some Breaking News. This is from Tom Winter Laura Jared and adam reese. Manhattans District Attorney office does not oppose a delay set to begin march 25th and asked that the delay not exceed 30 days. This comes as the d. A. s office says that certain discovery from the criminal case involving Hush Money Payments and Michael Cohen transmitted from federal prosecutors had recently been made available to the defense yesterday. The items were requested by trumps legal team in january. It took some time for the u. S. Attorneys office to send the items. Approximately 31,000 pages of additional records to the defense. The defense is asking let me know if i get this long, for more time. All of this evidence, 30,000 pages. We need to review it. Im looking at this Breaking News with you. Sorry. One of the things that preceded this not transparent from this document filed from the d. A. s office, not only did donald trump move from adjournment need one or dismissal based on discovery violations. Seems to allege the d. A. s office acted improperly providing materials to him that would be helpful in his defense. Here in this filing d. A. s office saying no, no, no. Delay is one of his own making. Notwithstanding we wont oppose adjournment of 30 days. Your purview. What may the judge rule . As lisa said we dont disagree with this but say only 30 days. Whats your sense of how this might go . A judge will grant that. The manhattans d. A. Is being fair. 31,000 documents . Quite frankly, they need to read it. Not surprising adjournment and 30 days, a month, defense will say is too short but the d. A. s office has a lot of hands on deck that can review all that. Thats the d. A. s office being fair. Just got it. Given it to defense. There are adjournment. Might the judge give more time than 30 days . Depends on the arguments the defense makes. 30,000 documents is a lot of documents. Might be more, as lisa was saying. Yes. One other thing i think is important for viewers to note. 30 days out from the march 25th projected start of this trial is april 24th. April 25th is, of course, the argument before the Supreme Court on that president ial immunity argument. Would that take that into account . He might, particularly if trump has intent to go to that. It is a proceeding effecting one of his criminal trials and has a right to be present. Katherine would know a right to be present at his own proceedings. I dont see a reason why hes not allowed to be there. Has a right to be there and also in new york, defendant has to be at his criminal trial. He is not going to be excused. He can make himself unavailable because of his behavior but has a right to be there and he has to be at his trial. April 25th is the scotus arguments. If they grant delay, that would be exactly one month. So likely it will be april 26th. Maybe april 27th. Making a face . I was going to say maybe the 29th. Never know Jury Selection to begin on a friday. Correct me if im wrong, but i think one of the things thats problematic here the preparations for these trials involving donald trump are significant undertakings and they cost a lot of money for the city of new york or whatever municipality or Federal Court is handling it. Query how many jurors theyre expecting on march 25th to show up for Jury Selection . And whether or not theyre prepared to have a similar influx of possible jurors on april 24th, 25th, 26th or 29th. Whatever that new date is, you can be sure that it will cause a lot of administrative headache for the Office Court Administration in new york, the d. A. s office and frankly for all of us who cover these proceedings as well. I know the banner says were waiting a decision from Fulton County on fani willis. Yeah. Also potential delay in the case here in new york city. Hush money case the Stormy Daniels case and d. A. Saying okay with a 30day delay. Trump team wants a delay as well. Getting a whole lot of new evidence transferred. Michael cohens testimony et cetera. Looks like, very likely, there will be some delay in this case and not actually begin, was that next week . Yes. Supposed to begin week after monday. Week after next. Aww. All right. Six weeks what alvin bragg said it would take. He did. Four to six weeks including Jury Selection. Assume we take somewhere in the range of five to ten trial days to select a jury. Alvin bragg is included that in his four to six week estimate. You just got the court document. Let you read it. Come back if we missed anything. Ladies, thank you very much for dancing with me on this Breaking News. No one else id rather have talking to me about what this means and what to expect snex. Next. Coming up, what the Vice President did today no other vp has done before. Thats next. Plus, a prominent election denying. What shes now in charge of at the rnc. 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Going to ask lisa if she wants us to wait while shes reading. Interesting details asking for delay in the alvin bragg case. Hush money against donald trump. What did you find . Reading this motion, katy, seems as if when the defendants first moved sorry, when donald trump first moved for adjournment or dismissal because of a january 18th subpoena to the u. S. Attorneys office that produced 73,000 pages of records. On the verge of the d. A. s office responding to it seems that yesterday he got another 31,000 pages of documents and then 100,000 documents . Correct. U. S. Attorneys office saying going to produce more. He is angry at the District Attorneys office for not turning those over to hill. He says it was their responsibility somehow to get those and turn them over, but they note bottom of the first page that these records appear to be relevant to the Subject Matter but include materials that the people, that means the District Attorneys office requested from the u. S. Attorneys office, the Department Of Justice more than a year ago and that the Department Of Justice previously declined to provide. So there will be a lot of questions about why is the u. S. Department of justice making materials available now to trump related to his defense that they wouldnt give to the manhattan d. A. s office now. Well know more about that tomorrow in the brief. But meantime, they say that this is really Donald Trumps own fault that they sought the full grand jury record relating to Michael Cohens Campaign Finance conviction in Federal Court last year. And they asked for things including grand jury minutes and tapes, witness lists, grand jury subpoenas, exhibits giving to the grand jury and didnt get those things, or the stuff they did get they gave to donald trump more than nine months ago. And donald trump didnt complain. Nonetheless, the u. S. Toans office for whatever reason saying you can have more. Saying 30 days is fine. Trumps attorneys asking for 90 days. Now that youve read this does it change what you think Judge Merchant might do. 100,000 pages seems like tight a lay person. Actuality think about 3,000 pages as a box. Not all that material but important material with respect to credibility of mike the cohen we all understand is the key witness in this case. He is the person who arranged with donald trump the payments to Stormy Daniels and the way of Ream Burgment with both trump and weisselberg resulting in falsification of business records. The d. A. Asks the doj, i sound like my toddler, asks the doj for the documents. Doj declined. U. S. Attorneys office declined . Produce as subset of what was requested. Why would they now provide more . Its possible that now that Michael Cohen has been released. Trying to think, katy, in my head whats changed for another Proffer Session or something recently . Michael cohen was trying to get a release i believe from Probationary Term on basis of cooperation with manhattan the d. A. s office. The justice itself opposed. I dont know what changed sitting here now between last june and today that would cause a change in the Department Of Justice. However, i can assure you that its the kind of material that if i am todds necklace i am going to scour. Its whether Michael Cohen is credible or lied accepting a guilty plea with respect to the Campaign Finance charges. Im sure youll figure that out in due time and come back. Sorry i couldnt do it rile sitting here. Give us a little more information. Lisa rubin, thank you very much. Move on. Vice president Kamala Harris doing something today no Vice President or president for that matter has ever done before. She is visiting an Abortion Clinic. And here what she said at a Planned Parenthood in minnesota. So im here at this Health Care Clinic to uplift the work that is happening in minnesota as an example of what true leadership looks like. Which is to understand it is only right and fair that people have access to the health care they need. Joining us now, nbc News Washington correspondent yamiche alcindor. Covered all things, especially regarding Kamala Harris. What was behind this decision today . Reporter the Vice President really made history in as you said her visit to this Abortion Clinic in st. Paul, minnesota, visiting a Planned Parenthood clinic becoming the first Vice President or president to visit a clinic that provides Abortion Services in u. S. History. In 2013 former president obama make history addressing Planned Parenthood. Now the Vice President wanted to put boots on the ground and this was really about her wanting to uplift the work of medical personnel she met with during her visit and wanted people to understand this work is critical and people restricting Abortion Rights are putting lives of women at risk and specifically talking to elected official. Listen to what she said. In this environment these attacks against an individuals right to make decisions about their own body are outrageous and in many instances just plain, old immoral. How dare these elected leaders believe they are in a better position to tell women what they need, to tell women what is in their best interest. We have to be a nation that trusts women. Reporter and she also said elections matter. She said that really is important for her party, democrats, to get back control of the u. S. House and well as win the presidency believes she will push forward along with President Biden be able to push forward federal protections she said would restore roe v. Wade and all the federal rights that existed before that Supreme Court decision was overturned. I point out also we at nbc news myself and colleagues broke the story and really sources tells us the Vice President eager to get out there. Part of her freedom of, for reproductive rights tour. She launched the tour in january talking about abortion access, talk about the stories of women whose lives are at risk here. Really the Vice President wanting to make this a prominent issue along with the president of course talked about abortion as one of the first domestic issues he caulked about during State Of The Union last week and comes as republicans are scrambling for the, around the consequences of roe v. Wade. Seen Ivf Treatments in alabama paused. In arizona, republicans blocked a bill providing protections for birth control. Republicans are really trying to figure out how to deal with this issue. Reporting former President Trump feels like abortion and the backlash from the decision there thats Making Republicans and himself very vulnerable. The Vice President here planting a flag, making history but also taking aim and looking at 2024 and november. And thank you very much. 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The New York Times reports shuttering its nationwide network of Community Outreach centers. Once a fixture of the partys efforts to attract minority voters. Whats now in, a brand new Election Integrity unit led by former anchor and election denier Christina Bobb who joined the Trump Campaign legal team last year. Joining us at Washington Post National Correspondent phil bump and New York Times politics reporter maya king. First you report and all of this rnc stuff. Can we talk first about Christina Bobb. One of the lawyers, the one who signed a document saying no classified documents left at maralago. That was not true. There were classified documents left at maralago. How did she get put in charge of this Election Integrity unit at the rnc . A part of strategy on particularly the Trump Campaign to replace many of the people who were working at the rnc in the past with loyalists. People who trump and his allies know will follow his directives. Particularly as relates to ongoing story line about the 2020 election. I think it also sends a message about what we can expect from this iteration of the rnc for the next few months heading into the 2024 president ial election. The message coming from this Republican Party. One, hand in hand with the message of the Trump Campaign. I think they will largely be eyed as sort of one body, and a lot of the comments and false claims about what happened in 2020 and about Election Integrity i think we can expect to continue now hearing that coming from the rnc and the Trump Campaign as the General Election kicks into full gear. Phil does this mean regardless what happens in 2024, in november, donald trump is going to say he won . I dont know if hes necessarily say he won. Probably certainly say that of certain states. Remember after 2016, obviously won, won more electoral votes became preftd United States and got to the white house started conspiracy theories, voted in california, what made the california New Hampshire people bused in from massachusetts. Always says this. Very defensive about the idea he might not be successful in some of these states. So, yes. I think it is going to be the case he will make those claims, but whether or not that means he won the presidency, remains to be seen. How significant is it to have these changes at the rnc to kick out Senior Leadership and install a new head, Christina Bobb in this position, lara trump his daughterinlaw as deputy . How significant of the changes and what will they mean for the General Election, phil . Well, i think there are two ways in which this is. First is that in 2016 donald trump effectively sort of railroaded the party. Got the party. This powerful institution for decades. More than a century. Got it to do what he wanted to have happen. Became president. Not in control of the Party Managed to use it to get that to happen and since then taken, literally took over with a change of leadership. Other manifestations of it. Mitch mcconnell stepping down. Ways in which hes taken over the Republican Party and consolidated power over it. I think what i suggest is that to any extent to which the party may have been trying to run a Traditional Campaign and been cautious about crossing the lines prior to 2020, thats out the window. Clear, wrote an entire book conspiracy theories, bobb, her there in particular, lara trump cochair of the party, no cautions in place. Its interesting that shuttering the Community Outreach centers for outreach for minority voters especially this moment. Gallup data show democrats are in danger losing quite a few black and latino voters. Especially men. Republicans, they could vote republican in 2024, numbers not seen since dwight d. Eisenhowers election in the 50s. Most closed after 2020. Mcdaniel priority, ronna mcdaniel, working so well. These outreach centers. Why would they close them . I think this is, again, part of the trend were talking about sort of this replacement pi trump loyalists. Its not quite clear who was really working at these Community Outreach centers. Whether this was caused by insufficient loyalty to the former president is unclear to us. However we know the rnc spent billions of dollars on these Community Centers, and really prioritized minority outreach. Racial minority outreach here. It was sweeping and its surprising to hear they were closing these centers that really were a centerpiece of republicans outreach particularly in battleground states. And michael whatley, the chairman of the rnc sent a statement saying after this story was published that the Community Centers will actually remain open. But we dont know yet which Community Centers, which states. And what shape that will really take, but i say all of that to say i think that the Republican Party recognizes that this actually is a very important part of their outreach and it is an important part of how they will continue to make inroads with black and brown voters. Particularly at the margins. I think over the summer we will see some form of outreach to black, latino, asian and native American Voters from the Republican Party. Whether that takes the shape of Actual Community center events, that we saw in 2022, and even in 2020, im not quite sure. Talking about all the money spent on outreach centers. Leave with this. When it comes to fundraising biden and dnc raise 1ds 30 million. Trump and rnc, 65 million. Quite a big fundraising gap there. Phil and maya, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. From rfk jr. To no labels, what democrats say they are doing to head off a Third Party Spoiler and a White Nationalist elected in office in a Small Oklahoma Town facing a recall. 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Last february the residence of and i, oklahoma, elect add White National toift their city council. A man pictured holding a Tiki Torch In Charlottesville with marcher chancing jews will not replace us. Thats him standing right there. We have the story who was trying to get him out. Joining us now. Whats happening . Its a real fight for the soul of enid, oklahoma. It started with two democratic ladies realizes, doing online digging, realizing nazi, they put it, running for council. Tried to tell their city, tried to warn people and for lots of reasons he was elected anyway. Now theres a real fight going on between this Progressive Group in enid and even some of the very conservative folks in enid saying this should not be happening here. Take a listen. Reporter its an unusual meetup on a monday night in enid, oklahoma. The location is secret. Somebody minds the door for security. A small group determined to change their city. Everybody in this room played a role. Reporter among those here 69yearold connie vicars. I was born and raised near enid. Reporter and 74yearold nancy pressnoll. I lived here most of my life. Reporter best friends and democrats in a deeply conservative county. Both retired but hard at work. How many doors did you knock on . I dont know. A lot. Reporter enough to get signatures needed tore a Recall Election of city commissioner judd blevins. [ chanting ] reporter this is judd blevins. In 2017 tiki torch in hand in charlottesville, virginia, marching alongside a vowed Pit Supremacist and neonazi group. I saw a picture of judd blevins with a tiki torch and was just shocked. Reporter the more they looked the more they found. Blevins had been an active leader in the weis nationalist Group Identity europa. According to analysis of photos, biographical details and other information, blevins hid his identity behind the online moniker conway. In private online forums reviewed by nbc news, blevins as conway posted racist messages and praised hitler. Yet when the former marine ran for city commissioner. Won by 36 votes. [ chanting ] reporter now they are part of The Enid Social Justice committee, Vocal Opponents of blevin since he took office. The group mincing no words on its website saying, enid has a nazi problem. A lot of people dont want to say the word nazi but when you see what he did and what hes involved with you know, its not namecalling. Its what he is and what he believes. Reporter we wanted to ask blevins what he believes for ourselves. But he denied our multiple requests for interviews. We tried once more outside a city council meeting. Can i ask, you are a leader in an Oklahoma Chapter of a White Nationalist organization and do you have any explanation to that . Why did you march . Why did you hold a tiki torch and march what did you say . Id been a conservative all my life. Reporter Cindy Allen Editor And Publisher of the news when he won. He paper published a frontpage story about his past prior to the election. Blevins called it a [ muted ] piece. Followed up many times and he never would answer us. Yet he won . He won. Theres an opportunity now to address what kind of tolerance of extremism this community is going to have. Reporter Enid Of Maybe David Mason also a conservative republican says Behind Closed Doors Blevins admitted to his involvement in White Nationalist activities. Nigh followup question are you still involved with those groups, he told me, i do not have to answer that question. My thought was, you just did. Reporter blevins opponent in the Recall Election set for april 2nd is a republican, too. She didnt want to talk about the race with us. A race most here see as squarely about blevins. Vote him in a second time, probably says a lot about about who we are. Reporter that identity is exactly what vicars and pressknoll of working for. National White Supremacist Organizations called you two outrageous antifa commandos. Badge of honor. What happens if you dont win . We keep putting out the fight. Were not going to put up with it quietly. Reporter fighting, they say, for the soul of their city. I think this is just a fascinating story the question i have, i know you have the Newspaper Reporter who had that expose but how many people really knew when he voted for him that he was a White Nationalist . We know some knew. We know that people around his campaign knew. We know that these women knew. But whats clear now is that everybody in ward one in enid, oklahoma knows or should know before they vote in two weeks. That vote in two weeks shows whether they will be a model for the nation or a warning. In the sense they dont really know how this is going to go . The mayor was fascinating. Yeah. Everybody was really enid is a great place. Really is a great place to be and its im my heart is in my throat just sort of wondering what will happen. You started off going to a meeting held in secret. Why . Members of the social just it committee on the radar of national neonazi groups and White Supremacist groups tweeting about them, talking about them in secret telegram channels. Ive seen a lot of that. Again, mr. Blevins may claim to have no knowledge of these groups online they all sure are watching him and watching enid for a what theyll do. The two amazing women profiled, are they currently facing threats . Yes. Wow. We hope everyones okay there. Thank you for bringing this story. Again it is shocking, even today. Thank you. Coming up next, dont sleep on rfk jr. What his president ial bid is now doing to the 2024 race. But as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. Thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. 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Joining us now former Deputy Assistant secretary of state for Strategic Communication for hillary clinton, i believe you know something about what happened in 2016. How serious is this . Very serious and unfortunately i know about it in 2020, too. Look in 2016, if you look at numbers the way they lined up look at the states that tipped from blue to red, michigan and pennsylvania and wisconsin and frankly states like minnesota that came close, the margins were smaller than the jill stein margins and gary johnson margins. Thats not to say every person who voted for jill citizen shouldnt have done so. Only a small part of them. She drew millions and millions of votes nationwide. And if only part of them had voted for hillary, assuming they voted for jill stein for reasons other than than loving jill stein that would have made a difference and its important to realize the biggest difference between 2016 and 2020 one of the biggest, no meaningful third party in the race, and we saw what happened there. I think everyone if they had druthers on the biden side, the democratic side, would prefer to not test the theory of 2016. Does rfk take away votes from joe biden or donald trump . Hive heard from a lot of former trump voters, 2016, 2020 trump voters who say they dont like joe biden. Theyre going to vote for rfk. Trump voters voting for rfk. Is this election going to be like all the others . Normally theyre taking away votes from democrats and have at least in the recent past . Well, a little confusing. Obviously the last cycle, two cycles in some ways the last dozen of years shown its no longer simple at a 50 50 nation, red versus blue. A lot of overlap. Compare it to 2016, not every bernie voter after he conceded to hillary then went to hillary. Thats not as much of a criticism as might sound from a hillary person. Truth of the matter is they werent necessarily dems. A lot of people voted for bernie felt a lot of things in common with donald trump. And the same dynamic now with rfk jr. I mean, rfk jr. Is mostly known at this point as being antivax. Well before covid. Thats a position that is more in line with a trump voter than a biden voter, but i think probably breaks down, at best, 50 50, probably more like 60 40 in the sense of it hurting trump, hurting biden or trump. And around 9 . Higher. Gone down a bit. Theres talk about who he might pick for his running mate, Aaron Rodgers was floated. Aaron rodgers a popular football player. But also an antivaxxer and, you know, got from trouble with jimmy kimmel. Reporting, outlets say he doesnt believe that sandy hook happened. He said it was a hoax that no kids actually died. I mean, hes on the extreme end of things. What about mike ro. Not talking about discussions but said he likes rfk jr. And likes ideas regarding work . Would mike as his Running Mame Help him suck off or excuse me. Suck up more voters . Open mic. And goes by this ways. Aaron rodgers, great quarterback. Poor judgment. But he doubles down on rfk. He doesnt present any hedging of it. With someone as, for lack of a better word as crazy as rfk you might want someone very solid to give people a little better feeling about voting for someone so unorthodox. On the flip side, if you do pick someone normal no one cares. We debate whether the vp makes any difference and will do that with trump let alone his thirdparty candidates. Problem, there are three, in my mind, anyway, three different types of voters who go third party. Theres one, the people who are diehards. Love the person. Love rfk. Love what he stands for. They loved jill stein and what she stands for. Then theres the people who are making trouble. They are trying to whip up whatever it is. Maybe outside groups helping them and thats why the dnc is being really smart in a Biden Campaign by going after them treating them as what they are. They are opponents. No different than donald trump. Hiring someone like liz smith who i dont know but know of her and through friends is exact right choice to go after him hard as possible. A third category of voter who goes after the third party. Who just wants to say, send a message. They dont, i dont like trump. I dont like biden. I dont like the system. Im going to vote for jill stein, and i keep saying jill stein, because i think hes shully the bigger problem of the three because her party is on all 50 ballots and she will just attract people. These people, i cant tell you whos going to win, but i can tell you whos not going to win. Rfk jr. Not win. Cornel west and neither is jill stein. Wasting your vote causing problems. Dont complaiut