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Power. You somehow reached in there and told the republicans you absolutely must not do it. A little taste of republicans, in the year 2024. And the senators also going to be joining, us talking about the same could port he might be average that the Supreme Court is taking the trump appeal. I am not i tried to make that clear last. Night not outraged by. Bit saving my outrage for the opinion if it is an outrageous opinion. But, i do find It Outrageous that Clarence Thomas has not recused himself from the case and well see what the senator whitehouse us to say about that. You could do a whole show on Clarence Thomass outlook. And i would watch all of it. We can do it, have a good show. He will, today defendant donald trump said he cannot afford to pay e. Jean carroll 83 million in the judgment against, and that she won donald trump has to court to proceed with an appeal of that judgment. Along to appeal the judgment without donald trump posting a bond that guarantees, to the, court that he will pay that judgment if and when he loses that appeal. E. Jean carrolls attorney supposed that request, telling the, court quote, he simply asked the court to trust me. And offers a case with an 83. 3 Million Dollar judgment against him. The Court Filing Equivalent of a pieper napkin. Signed by the least trust worthy of borrowers. And criminal defendant donald trump filed a surprise, motion and federal prosecutor, jack smith florida prosecution of donald trump for violations of the espionage act, an illegal possession of classified documents. After jack smith smiled proposed child date in july 8th. Donald trumps lawyers did not ask for a date after the president ial election. They didnt ask for a date next year. They asked for a trial date, just four weeks later on august 12th. After four weeks requested by Jack Smith Donald trumps favor, judge aileen mercedes, can he appointed to her federal judgeship will decide that trial date. , and republicans were very disappointed today and Hunter Bidens closeddoor testimony under oath to a republican controlled house committee. Because, apparently, his testimony was solid and clear about his father not being involved in his business. And because of jones and the transcript that was released tonight, like. This mr. Gaetz, were you on drugs when you were on the board. The witness, mr. Gaetz, Look Me In The Eye you really think thats appropriate to ask me . Mr. , gates absolutely, the witness of all the people sitting around this table, do you think thats appropriate to ask me . Congressman gaetz, of course, of all the people sitting around the table is the only one who was investigated by the fbi for possible trafficking of underage girls. Including the use of Illegal Drugs with them. Donald trump desperately tried to compete with President Bidens visit to the southern border today, by going to another spot on the border the hundred and 50 miles away from the president , where, once again donald trump spoke gibberish about the border. Millions of people from places unknown, from countries unknown who dont speak languages we have languages coming into our country and we have no one that even speaks those languages. We know we have people in this country that big every language. And, then donald trump, added this lie about the people who are crossing the southern border. These are the people that are coming into our country and theyre coming from jails, and theyre coming from prisons, and theyre coming from mental institutions under coming from Insane Asylums and theyre being led into our country. And its horrible. Its horrible. Needless to say, that is not an accurate description of the people crossing the border. Hes lying about the people who crossed the border, and who they are but at the same time donald trump is doing everything he can to help everyone who is illegally crossing the border now to continue illegally crossing the border. Because donald trump ordered republicans in the senate and the house to not even allow a vote on a bipartisan Border Security bill negotiated by first guess democratic senator chris murphy. And republican conservative senator from oklahoma. Donald trump publicly took credit for killing that bill. Theyre blaming. If thats okay, please blame it on me. Please. And so donald trump is saying that as long as joe biden is at least until january 20th of next year donald trump wants everyone who is currently crossing the border to continue to cross the southern border. That means, in donald trump so description of the people crossing the southern border that means he wants terrorist across the southern border. He wants massive shipments of fentanyl to cross the southern border. You want some interest across the southern border. He wants all of those people and things that he described to cross the southern border that he says he supposed to crossing the southern border at the same time, said he supposed to that. Those are the mental challenges that are presented to trump voters every, day which they felt to comprehend. Donald trump said people are going to die because a southern border is insecure but he wants them to continue today. Every single day that he is not present. And, trump voters say that it sounds great. So, from politicians do exactly the same thing. Trump politicians who take quarter from donald trump. The Border Patrol officers, he met with today what the bill will do we. 1500 additional officers and between ports of entry, for the last four years, staffing has been roughly that. Flat. Just flat. Agents working overtime, spending long hours patrolling the border. Making major sacrifices. And i know it takes a big toll on them, and their families. That is why, in december, i signed the bill finally getting Border Patrol agents that was pushed, five reminded by the congressman overtime pay that they deserve. Fighting in overtime pay. Adamantly took very. Longer was long past, time and i was positive. But we need to do more. Its time to step. Up its time to step up and provide them with significantly more personal, and capability. And what you just heard is why the Border Patrol agents, who, in the past have supported donald trump are now supporting the bill joe biden wants to sign into law and that donald trump wants to prevent from becoming law. The majority of democrats republicans in both houses support this legislation. Until someone came along and said, dont, that wont benefit the incumbent. Thats a hell of a way to do business in america, for such a serious problem. We need to act. And then joe biden made donald trump an offer he couldnt refuse. Unless, of course, donald trump doesnt really care about the border i understand my predecessors legal past today, so heres what i would say to mr. Trump. Setup klein policy issues, setup telling members to block this legislation. Join me. Or ill join you. In telling the congress to pass this bipartisan Border Security bill. We can do it together. You know and i know its the toughest, most, efficient Border Security bill this countrys ever seen. So instead of playing politics, why dont we just get together and get it done. Plus, remember who we work for. We work for the American People. Not the democratic party, the republican party, we work for the American People. And heres what republican senator james lankford, said about the Border Security bill that he, personally negotiated before donald trump ordered him to abandon his own bill. But, also remind, folks during the Trump Administration we also had days of more than 4000 people who are illegally across the border out of the Trump Administration in 2019 and they were struggling, because theres gaps and loopholes in the. Law , assess, republicans were gonna Press Conferences and complain the putter spied, and then intentionally leave it open after the worst month in American History in december. Now weve got to actually determine, are we gonna complain about . Things are we gonna address the changes, many things as we can. Senator langfords partner, in negotiations for that bill democratic senator chris murphy said today that the border is a moneymaking Grievance Machine for republicans. Thats all. Period. Stop. Keeping it a problem raises the money dries ratings and helps them win elections. They dont want to fix it that is what they killed the bipartisan border bill. We needing our discussion is democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut. Hes a member of the Senate Appropriations committee, and Foreign Relations committee. Senator, thank you very much for joining us tonight. , and i know how difficult it must be for, you working on negotiations on legislation like that. And its so complex. And it takes so long. And to see it all abandoned, just because donald trump gave the order. Yes, it is difficult for the American People. Because, the vast middle of this country between the 20 yard lines, we should have Legal Immigration for this country. But they also believe we should have a secure border. And i know we dont right now. And thats 10,000 people crossing on a daily basis. I give a lot of credit to my colleague, senator lankford he actually didnt bow to Donald Trumps pressure. They are actually for republicans in the United States ended up voted for the bill. But the reality, is as he, said in your opening that republicans are allergic to solving the problem at the border. They become so used to seeing the border as a political problem to exploit that they cant imagine a world in which it is solved. I, mean what would they go on tv and talk about . How would they race money from their base . What would they do on the weekends if they cant go down to the border and pretend to be Border Agents patrolling for undocumented crossers. We had a bipartisan bill that wouldve given the president extraordinary new powers to shut down the border when crossings were too high to process asylum claims in a matter of months, not years to put real personnel and technology on the border. Or interrupt the flow of fentanyl. Ultimately, donald trump told republicans i dont really care if its good for the country. All i care is that if the border was more under control it would hurt people politically. And thats the situation that were in today. So, listen, i get paid to put up with this bs, on the American People theyre the ones that should be pretty pistole. I want to listen to more about what the president described to the agents about what is in this bill. Especially on what it could do on the illegal importation of fentanyl. Lets listen to this. Theyre also need cutting inspection, machines to stop fentanyl. A year, ago i stood in the butt of el paso, and a watch these machines that work. They were able to detect everything from fentanyl, to weapons, to people. They smuggled him cargo containers. This Compromise Bill will provide an additional four, three, 400 and 24 million for 100 more of these machines. They could save life in the process. This could also give me our president , or any of the next president emerging the authorities to temporarily shut down the Border Control between ports of entry. Were immigrants, and migrants are overwhelmed the border. Started straining the Border Patrols ability to process it. Senator, 100 more of these machines that can detect foot, no if the dont want that to become law, we just cant continue to listen to you pretending to be concerned about people who are suffering from addiction to fentanyl. Which has been a republican chant for all four well every year of the biden presidency. , yes i, mean youre exactly right. The republicans go out there and claim that they care about this fentanyl. Every single one of us now know someone whos died of a fentanyl overdose. This is an absolute epidemic. But republicans are willing to do nothing, not a single thing to solve this problem. Theyre trying to disclose our health care system, rep are the ones that cares for these individuals, to try to get them through recovery. Now we know theyre not willing to do anything at the border. The matter factors that most of the fentanyl coming into this country looks like the ports of entry, right . This is vehicle, travels a brings fentanyl through the ports. They do xrays of all of these vehicles, trucks and passenger vehicles. This would provide the funding to dramatically increase the number of trucks, cars that we screen. We wouldve tied a noose in the traffickers business models. But not the be able to continue to move products. Because theres no executive order. Only the bipartisan bill couldve done that. So, they just spent the last hour on fox, talking to sean hannity other very peaceful looking section of the border. Where there was absolutely no trouble going on in the background there at all. And donald trump couldnt even fill the whole hour with his thoughts about the border he diverted for about one fourth of a show, to talk about abortion an in vitro fertilization, and stress that hes completely in favor of ivf so hes gonna figure out some magic formula, that the whole country is going to agree on abortion and pretending that hes not the Driving Force in overturning roe v. Wade. So the only reason ive yeses under stress today, that states are banning abortions the only reason that womens lives are in jeopardy all across this country is because donald trump made it the number one priority. To put judges on the bit would allow states to be able to bend abortions to control womens bodies it was a top priority for donald trump. He said, as, such now republicans are coming to grips with the fact that the huge overwhelming majority of the country, does not want judges and male politicians in charge of womens bodies. And they certainly do not want ivf to be banned. And that is what donald trump said in motion. He was not apologetic about. If he didnt tied. It and it was too late to walk back. And lets be absolutely clear, if he becomes president again, he will do exactly what he did in this first term. He will appoint to the bench, judges that will allow politicians to ban abortions, to ban contraception and to ban ivf. That is just the 100 truth he cant run from it. And i dont think people are going to buy it as he and other republicans tried to walk it back. Senator, chris murphy, thank you very much for joining us tonight on this day when the bill you negotiated was in the center of our news. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. Coming, up life long border resident, thatll or will join us next. Join us next. With nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent migraine attacks, all in one. Dont take if allergic to nurtec. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Ask about nurtec odt. Im starting to think this was a bad idea. What we could find a better gift on etsys new gift mode. Oh can i see that . Happy birthday. Its a people cake dont panic. Gift easy with gift mode, new on etsy. She found it. The feeling of finding the Psoriasis Treatment shes been looking for. 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Folks, the bipartisan Security Deal is the win for the American People. And its a win for the, people and its also those who have a legitimate right to come here. And so when for the people of brownsville, i believe thats why the Border Patrol union endorsed it. I believe thats why the National Chamber of commerce ive known as the Democratic Organization with the capitol. And that is why the Wall Street Journal endorsed it as well. This is a truly bipartisan mission. Joining our discussion, now is the former democratic congressman from texas, who represented el paso. Thank you very much for joining us. I find your Lifetime Experience on the border invaluable. An invaluable perspective in this discussion. What do you make of these dueling appearances, President Biden going straight to the Border Patrol . Discussing with them whats in the bill asking them and other portions of that video that havent been shown yet, asking them what they need and they tell him what he need each and tells, them, yes that is in the. Bill and then donald trump just goes and does a show on fox. The contrast could not be any more clear. President biden is representing the party that is for immigration, pro Border Security, and pro solution. Donald trump on the other hand represent chaos. He is not interested in the solution because he is totally invested in the problem. And, he has admitted as much. It is because of him that the deal that senator murphy and langford and sinema negotiated were done on the, rival and never made it to the house. And hes proud of that fact. This is an extraordinary opportunity for the president to build on his accomplishments. And to show that the way to restoring order, security, and safety at the border is to show that theres more legal pathways for immigrants and Asylum Seekers to come here. For, example when he used his Executive Pull Authority for nicaraguans, and, haitians and cubans on authorized options from those three groups went down 92 . He has shown that he could win on this issue based on everything in his power to try to work with republicans today, even offering to work with former President Trump on his issue. It is time for democrats and the president to seize this initiative on this issue. And when with it. We have an analysis of crime statistics, that nbc news has done showing that overall crime levels dropping in the cities that have received the most migrants, when texas spends its money, because it spent a lot of it to transport migrants to these other cities. The crime rate, in New York City for example,. Dropping, and other major cities where this is happening dropping. And so, donald trump spent much of his night on the fox show tonight basically telling lies about the crime wave that hes pretending occurs because of this. You are absolutely. Right you, know he would describe my hometown of a war. Zone a very dangerous place. I want to, was at the time one of, if not one of the safest cities in america. Its one of the safest cities in america, not despite, but because it is a city of immigrants. And, his hateful rhetoric, describing this as an invasion. Immigrants, as an infestation or animals putting them in cages and tearing babies away from the arms of their mothers. It inspired extraordinary violence. And it came home testing el paso, in 2019. When someone echoing trumps words promising to stop the invasion of hispanics, or taking over texas, slaughtered 23 people in our very peaceful city in a walmart on saturday before School Started full of, kids and parents. And grandparents. And, now lawrence, he is talking about immigrants poisoning the blood of america. Lifted right out of the pages from the mouth of adolf hills learn. This is our future with donald. Trump, and it is why we must stand up behind and with joe biden right. Now and make sure that he wins this election. , and that he has the push from us to ensure that hes the most proimmigrant, proBorder Security, pro solution president. That weve ever seen. Part of the reason we have the problem that we do right now is administration, after administration has kicked this can down the road joe biden is trying to get a hold of the situation. We need to support him in doing. That and draw this contrast so clearly between him and donald trump. Pretty, much for your whole life, the issue at this debate a different volumes has been going on In Washington in the southern border and issues of the southern border for you, and others who have lived there is there something missing from the debate that you all when youre at the coffee shop, shaker heads about that they just dont get it . I think weve been missing from the debate that the folks actually live on an experienced border date and day out but think of joe biden is visiting Brownsville Texas right now not we have representatives like veronica from El Paso Texas was worked with her republican colleagues to introduce the comprehensive immigration reform. If the border where at the table we wouldnt have what youre seeing today right now we would have solutions or more legal pathways for people to come here and work some of these 9 million unfilled jobs we have in america. Rejoining families to have been separated by the border. Ensuring that people can come here to do better for themselves. , but by extinction, to do better for all of us. Immigration is one of the greatest opportunities this country has. Its great for our economy. Its great for our committees. And its great for america. And i want to party to cease this initiative right now because not only is it the right thing to do but i think thats the path to victory in november. Thank you for your perspective on this. And i really appreciated. Thank you. Lawrence and coming up, its Clarence Thomas violating the law and not recusing himself and Donald Trumps Immunity Appeal to the United States Supreme Court. Senator joins us next. Supreme. Senator joins us next. Thats why i love my swiffer wetjet. Its a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. Wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. Look at that swiffer wetjet. Life, diabetes, theres no slowing down. Each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. 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Mr. Garvey, you voted for him twice. As your own man, what is your decision . Garvey is wrong for california. But garveys surging in the polls. Fox news says garvey would be a boost to republican control of the senate. Stop garvey. Adam schiff for senate. Im adam schiff, and i approve this message. As i indicated last night, i am not the one who finds It Outrageous, that the Supreme Court has decided to hear Donald Trumps lawyers argument about immunity, possibly applying to some of the charges. Against donald, trump and jack smith prosecution for possible crimes leading up to and january six. I have been observing my outrage for sunday, possibly in me at the earliest. When we read the Supreme Courts opinion, which could be outrageous, or, could completely reject Donald Trumps claim of immunity. And, then todays outrage could be forgotten. The Supreme Court has already rejected half of Donald Trumps petition to the Supreme Court, in which trumps lawyers argued a Double Jeopardy claim, based on donald trump having faced in a peach montreal in the United States Senate Similar charges. Without comment, the Supreme Court simply threw that out. Throughout the Double Jeopardy. Think through it right out of the case, yesterday. When they announced they would hear arguments only from the following questions. Weather, and if, to what extent, does a former president enjoy president ial immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official act during his tenure in office . Because the appeal Court Opinion In Washington d. C. , applies only to that federal jurisdiction, the Supreme Court may have reasonably decided that they should deliver an opinion on this question, that would cover any crimes that could arise in all 50 states. The Supreme Court is the only court that will make the Law Of The Land. All other courts only control specific scheck shuns of the country. There is one thing that i, for one, im ready to be outraged about right now. And have been outraged about it from last night and thats Clarence Thomass refusal, to recruits himself from the case. The law of the United States of america says, any justice, judge, or Magistrate Judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding. In which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned. He shall also disqualify himself, in the following circumstances. He knows that he, or his spouse has a financial interest in the financial factor, or in a party to the proceeding. Are any other interest that could be affected by the outcome of the proceeding. Clarence thomas does indeed have a financial interest in the proceeding, because Clarence Thomass wife profited and would not. And, Clarence Thomass wife has an interest in a party to the proceeding for donald trump is a party to the proceeding. , and Virginia Thomas had an interest in donald trump. In an interest in donald, trump becoming president again. And he had a desperate interest, urging donald, trump and white house chief of staff, mark meadows, through Text Messages to commit the crime they committed to try to overturn the president ial election. The outrage that is already upon, us before the Supreme Court here is one word argument in this case. It is the continuing, ethical outrage that Clarence Thomas brings to the Supreme Court every day. And is now, right before the eyes of the Chief Justice and the rest of the members ready to violate federal law that bars him from hearing this case. Joining us, now democratic senator of rod island, hes the Senate Judiciary committee and the subcommittee on federal courts. Senator, as you are invited to top out from the outrage over the recusal issue i cant do it. If the Supreme Court were to decide that President Trump has president ial him unity, then jacks mitt case would come to an end. And jackson its case could, very, well introducing evidence about the insurrection produce evidence about Justice Thomass wife role in that insurrection including correspondence directly with the defendants. Trumps chief of staff. So, there is a very direct Conflict Of Interest if he can help get rid of the case he can protect as why from the scrutiny of having her actions be evident for the prosecution. So that is pretty blunt. I would say that theres an even worse outrage behind that. Which is, that even, now we do not know what the facts are here. There is no other officer in the entire United States government who would or an ethics question is raised doesnt have the facts about what took place, bound by some independent entities. It is only these nine justices whoever, served for themselves, not like to say, here is what i say. And nobody else gets another view. And Justice Thomas simply refuse to disclose what he knew, when he knew it about his wifes insurrection activities. , and that has tainted a number of Supreme Court cases already. So, it is a Double Trouble problem. An immediate conflict in this case. And a single of this larger problem, in the court not playing by the rules of rule of law. So, what i just read is a law. It is not its a law. It is not some role that someone created. No, its not some court. Roads not a judicial principle, is the Law Of The Land of United States of america. And how is the Law Enforcement . Well, by courts. And of course, at this, point youve got a court that doesnt want to have that Law Enforcement on itself and the very basic, sort of opening bid of any Law Enforcement at the context of, law is that you find out what the facts. Our find facting is elemental to a decision to go forward on an ethics matter, on a recreational, matter on a civil, keyshawn a criminal case. Its across the board. So, it is extremely peculiar that the Supreme Court will not allow fact finding as to its own ethics problems. So, we know that, in the last hour Virginia Thomas was watching her hero on fox talk about this very case that her husband is considering maybe, with her husband sitting beside. Or lets listen to what Clarence Thomass wife was listening to and donald trump arguing his own case on fox in the last hour. They have to do the immunity think. Because, if you, dont a president will not be able to be a president. If youre gonna make a big decision as president. And your, frayed well, as an as you get after gonna be indicted by the opposition party, by the democrats, by The Radical Left Lunatics will indict you and tried to put you in prison because youre trying to do something good for the country, even if it is severe, the severe maybe a great thing for the country. They have that president ial immunity. If you dont have immunity for the president. And im not talking about, only me. If you dont have immunity for the president. You will not be able to function properly. , and saw, i dont know does thomas turn to the favorite Supreme Court justice and say what do you think after that . Well, she has a term that she refers to her husband. With, and i think my best friend, us the way they often describe the true theyre she often talks about talking with her best friend in the communications that went back and forth between her. And, the defendant, trumps. The chief of staff. So we could actually even go beyond just having ginni thomas figure the evidence in the case. Resuming that Clarence Thomas that she mentions that she could actually appear in the case. And the commentary is complete nonsense and weve had a lot of United States president. They have never been charged, criminally. The one who came close was president nixon. You did not concede that the criminal law did not apply to him. We could see that it did apply to. Him throughout the entire history, of United States of america. There has never been a problem of the president not being able to do something lawful, that he should be doing for the people of the United States. Because if your criminal prosecution. This is an imaginary figment of donald trump. Senator sheldon whitehouse, thank you very much for joining us tonight thank you , and coming, up vladimir put in is trying to obstruct tomorrows funeral of Alexei Navalny, who was assassinated by Vladimir Putin. 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Alexei navalnys funeral will be held in moscow tomorrow, but Vladimir Putins government is trying to stop it. At first, beaver not allowed to rent a funeral hall to say goodbye to alexei. Now, when just a Funeral Service is supposed to take place in a church, Ritual Agents tell us that not a single hearse agrees to take the body there. Unknown people call all teams and threaten them not to take alexeis bodies anywhere. That is from a navalny family spokesperson. Alexei navalnys widow yulia says she is worried putins police will show up and arrest people at the funeral. The associate press reported last week over three and people were detained in russia while paying tribute to Opposition Leader Alexei Navalny. In an oped piece in the new york times, our next guest, Nadya Tolokonnikova, wrote about the first time she saw Alexei Navalny at a protest in russia in 2007 when she was 16 years old. For the next 17 years, i watch my friend alexi rise from a moscow blogger to a global moral and political figure, giving hope and inspiration to people around the world. He helped me and millions of russians realize that our country does not have to belong to kgb agents and the kremlins henchmen. He gave us Something Else as well, a vision he called the Beautiful Rush of the future. This vision is imortal, unlike us humans, president Vladimir Putin may have silenced alexei, who died last week, but no matter how hard he tries, mr. Putin wont be able to kill alexeis beautiful dream. Years later, after nadya cofounded riot, she was arrested for singing a protest song in a church. She writes months later when my riot colleagues and i were on trial for supposedly inciting religious hatred there, standing in the courtroom among our Family Members and activists, was alexei. Nadya was convicted in that trial and sentenced to prison. She wrote how is Life In Prison Alexei asked me on the phone in 2013. Not ideal, but not too bad, i answered. One can survive here. Alexeis team later told me that he recalled our conversation when he decided to go back to russia after his poisoning in 2020. It was a characteristically brave decision. From his return to his death, it was just three years. Joining us now is Nadya Tolokonnikova, longtime friend of Alexei Navalny An Cofounding member of the russian protest Art Collective riot. Nadya, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I know this is difficult for you. And i just want to begin by saying im very sorry for your loss. Thank you, lawrence. When you write about your friend alexei in the new york times, we learned much about him and much about you and its the story of two very brave people. But the way you write it, i know that you see only one brave person in that story. You see Alexei Navalny as uniquely brave among russian protest leaders. Alexei navalny lead with love and joy. I think aside from bravery, this is a really important he was able to install this vision of the beautiful russia of the future, not just with words, but with actions. And with his love to his country, and he was willing to sacrifice everything, including his own life, for this country. And we witnessed one of the most beautiful modern love stories of Alexei Navalny and his wife, yulia. And its heartbreaking that putin murdered not just alexei but also this beautiful love story. You mentioned something about Vladimir Putin here that is soon as i read it it made perfect sense about part of his motivation in relation to Alexei Navalny. You see people say mr. Putin feared alexei, but i think the reason he wanted to get rid of alexei was another emotion, a darker more sinister one. It was and the. As soon as i read, that it made perfect sense. Dictators know they are not really admired. They know that what they have is fear. They dont have envy. But your observation of that is so powerful in there, and it just seems so clear when you put it that way. Alexei is everything, putin is not. Hes handsome, loved, tall. Hes actually followed by people because they trust him and they want to be his friend, who on earth would want to be putins friend . Can you i know for americans who arent faced with this kind of life or death choice about how they express themselves politically in this country, can you explain to people why Alexei Navalny would go back to russia, knowing that this was something Vladimir Putin would want to do . That when he goes back to russia, it is very likely that Vladimir Putin will at minimum get him in prison and kill him . Alexei saw himself as a russian politician. He never wanted to leave the country. I never wanted to leave my can you explain to people why Alexei Navalny would go back to russia, knowing that this was something Vladimir Putin would want to do . That when he goes back to russia, it is very likely that Vladimir Putin will at minimum get him in prison and kill him . Alexei saw himself as a russian politician. He never wanted to leave the country. I never wanted to leave my country. I tell myself and see myself as a russian artist. We need to be on our land. And especially if you are a politician, you ask people to risk a lot. In a dictatorship, you ask them to leave their houses, go to streets, probably get beaten, probably thrown to jail. And you cannot morally do that if you speak from abroad. Alexi knew it, and he was willing to risk. He also knew that his he has fantastic support and russia. I dont think people here see the scale of the support, because we dont really have real media, and also real polls in russia. But i lived in russia until recently. And when you go to the shop, when you talk to taxi driver, a random person, if you bring up name of navalny, chances are they will say that if we would have actual elections i would support him. And slaughtering putin knew it. You write in your piece we owe it to alexei and his dream for a new beautiful russia to carry on the fight. It sounds like he will continue to be powerful even in death. He will, and we see it with all the rituals that the russian government does around Alexei Navalnys body. They are scared of him, even when he is dead. And it shows how this figure is. And it is a very biblical story. It is funny that i was the one who was accused of religious hatred, thrown in jail, labor camps for two years. But i think in fact people who heard religious feelings more than anyones putin, his bureaucrats and russian patriarch of the Russian Orthodox church. They did not let navalnys relatives and the people who loved him to say goodbye to alexei with dignity. 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