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Getting trump to trial for Election Interference before hes the nominee almost certainly gone. Before the rnc convention, unlikely there ta. So what happens now . Plus, a horrific tragedy. At least 100 killed according to the health ministry, locals blame Israeli Forces for opening fire. What are the implications for the wider war, and what about the hostage deal that President Biden had suggested could be just days away . And the political showdown playing out in texas today over the one issue that voters say rises above all others. Can President Biden and former President Trump, two men who have had their shot at fixing the border before, convince voters they can fix it now . But we start with Donald Trumps legal and political calendar being rewritten in realtime, with start dates for two and potentially three of his four criminal trials now up in the air, a direct result of the former president s strategy to try to run out the clock. And the Supreme Courts decision to take up trumps argument for president ial immunity may be just the beginning. It leaves on the table the best possible outcome for the former president that he wins his appeal before the court and the charges just go away. While not considered probable, it is possible. Short of that, the more immediate and critical question is timing. The justices wont even hear arguments on immunity until the week of april 22nd and may not issue a ruling until late june or early july with potential jurors told to expect a trial lasting three months, any additional delay could push the trial and the verdict beyond election day. Nbc justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins me. Carol lam is former u. S. Attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. Jonathan lemire is Politico White House bureau chief, host of msnbcs way too early and an msnbc political analyst, good to see all of you. So carol, we know the chances oafter January 6th Trial and verdict before election day now gets smaller by the day, and its certainly smaller than it was 24 hours ago. Is it fair to say, carol, that this ruling moves the trial back by at least several months, and what would have to fall into place for jack smith to get a trial done before november . It does move the trial date fairly far back, chris, and id go as far as to say the likelihood that this case is going to trial before the election is now diminishingly small, i dont think its going to happen. And this is why, lets say the Supreme Court hears Oral Arguments the week of april 22nd, as they said they would, and they can take up to the end of june pretty much to rule within this term, as they probably will do. Remember during this entire time that the case has been up on appeal both in the Appellate Court and in the Supreme Court, all The Trial Proceedings have been stayed. So judge chutkan has not been able to move forward with the trial in any manner. That is to say she hasnt been able to ask for briefing on preTrial Motions. She hasnt been able to rule. All discovery has stopped. Theres just been no action whatsoever since the d. C. Circuit took this case up on appeal. And so that means that once the Supreme Court rules and lets say its sometime in june, then the trial court restarts again, and were looking at, you know, another couple of months probably before the trial could get underway. Theres so many things that can happen in a trial to delay it, and now were going to be so close to the november election that i dont think judge are chutkan is going to want to put a jury in that position to have to make a decision so close to the november election. Jonathan, so for trump, a big victory, maybe not a decisive one but definitely a big victory. On the left, lots of folks have been holding their breath, they were hoping for a trial this summer, especially after those polls that show a conviction would be disqualifying for many voters. I wonder what youre hearing on that side. What are democrats saying . Theres a lot of resignation and worry from democrats who have been saying to each other and frankly, to me in the last 24 hours or so how does he always get away with it thinking that donald trump once again is slipping the hook and will not pay a price for what he has seemingly done. The time line does seem right that if this had been the case, this January 6th Case, that legal experts said was built for speed. Jack smith kept it narrow focused on trump and the Election Interference, even less about january 6th itself unlike the Sprawling Georgia Case which involves so many defendants. This was really just about him, unlike the classified documents case, there was no real sensitive materials there nor a trump friendly judge. This was one that they really thought would happen this summer and into early fall at latest. Now that does seem unlikely, and i think some democrats are deeply concerned. There is still one criminal case that is going to happen, certainly appears like its going to happen between now and election day. Thats the new york case set to start in just about a months time on the fraud matter. That is seen as the least serious of the cases. Its not clear how politically damaging it will be for trump. In fact, when that charge was first brought, you know, a year ago, his poll numbers only went up among republicans. Now, well see what a guilty verdict will do, but i will say this. As frustrated as some democrats are, those in biden world, those in the white house and on the Reelection Team that ive spoken to for months now, they were not banking on a criminal conviction. For months now, they were not thinking that these trials were going to provide some sort of magic bullet that would finally fell donald trump. They all along thought they were going to have to win this on the campaign trail. Surely, though, ken, the members of the Supreme Court are aware of the political implications of this decision and what it means, that there are a lot of people in legal circles who say this should be decided before the voters go to the polls. They should know whether or not a man theyre voting for is a convicted felon. Having said that, tell us about the courts reasoning for deciding as they did . Well, chris, frustratingly, the justices did not address that Seminole Issue in their unsigned order agreeing to take this case. All they said was that theyre going to consider whether and to what extent a former president is subject to are prosecution in connection with official acts committed while in office. That term official acts could be important here because remember, the Appeals Court came back with a ruling that said former president s are not immune from prosecution, period. You can imagine that some of these conservative justices could be concerned that, for example, acts that a president commits as commander in chief, a drone strike overseas, should not be subject to prosecution. There may be some room for interpretation there. The other issue here, chris, the huge issue in this case is what donald trump is accused of doing in connection with trying to overturn the election. Were those even official acts . Special counsel jack smith would argue they were not. Even if the Supreme Court does decide theres some level of immunity for former president s in connection with official acts, the act of calling local officials and pressuring them to overturn votes when the president has no role in state elections, that may not fall under the rubric of official acts. Nonetheless, its going to cause a massive delay, chris. Carol, it will end up being 134 days, i think, from the time jack smith asks these justices to hear this, and he wanted it expedited to the time they actually hear it, let me ask you about the political conversations that are being had around this. Obviously one of the most consequential decisions that this court will make this year and arguably in many years. First of all, whyd it take so long for them to say were going to take this up . And does the fact that they dont appear to be working expeditiously add to people who say this is a court thats in the pocket of donald trump . You know, chris, this decision coming two weeks after the request for a stay by jack smith and people are saying thats a really long time. Why did they take so long . This has struggle and compromise written all over it. You have to remember that on the trial level, theres just one judge, and in this case, it was judge chutkan. She only has to convince herself. When you get to the Appellate Court, the court of appeals, its three judges. They have to talk amongst each other and try to convince each other of certain positions, and you recall that opinion took several weeks as well. When you get to the Supreme Court, youre not talking about just one person. Youre talking about nine people, and they discuss. They argue. They have to talk about how broadly to rule, how narrowly to rule. The Chief Justice is trying to keep this court together. That is youll notice that there were no dissents or objections to the order he put out yesterday, and im not a Fly On The Wall in their deliberations room, but im pretty sure there is a lot of arguing and discussion that went into the decision to even to expedite the appeal but not expedite it too much, because any decision that the Supreme Court makes at this point Going Forward is going to look political, and theyre well aware of that. And my own view is that the Chief Justice is doing everything he can to find compromise among the nine justices so that they cannot be accused of taking positions or moving the courts schedule or doing anything. Its inevitable, they will be accused of acting politically. Hes trying to mitigate that as much as possible. Carol, big picture, not only is the January 6th Case delayed, you also have the georgia case in limbo until of course the judge makes a decision on fani willis. We may find out tomorrow if the florida case is still on track for may or that date could potentially slide. What are you looking for tomorrow to see if may is still possible there . Yeah, you know, the Florida Case Is Rife with a lot of issues. Theres theres the judge who has in the past ruled in ways that people think are very favorable to donald trump, and she doesnt have as much experience as a lot of the judges that weve seen in the other cases. So theres some stumbing going around, and theres also the fact that theres a larger sepa issue, that is the classified do you means, who gets to see them . Who doesnt get to see them . Do all the Defense Attorneys get to see them. And she recently ruled not all the Defense Attorneys had to see all the classified documents. So you know, because of the number of issues that can arise in a trial, im really not expecting the florida case to be the case that charges ahead. We think the new york case is going to go and the new york case is probably going to get decided, and a lot of the reason for that is because Donald Trumps actions were so outside the president ial realm, they definitely were not official acts, that in unity is just not an issue in that case, and the defense could not take that issue up to the Supreme Court the way they have in federal cases. So its a very fraught landscape right now. To say the least, carol lam, thank you as always. And Jonathan Lemire youll be back with me a little bit later. In 60 seconds, a deadly confrontation in gaza as crowds of hungry people lined up for food and flour. What were learning about moments before gaza Officials Say more than 100 people were killed. Say more than 100 people were killed she found it. The feeling of finding the Psoriasis Treatment shes been looking for. She found sotyktu, a once daily pill for moderate to severe Plaque Psoriasis. For the chance at clear or almost clear skin. Its like the feeling of finding that Outfit Psoriasis tried to hide from you. Or finding your swimsuit is ready for primetime. Dad once daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. Dont take if youre allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. Sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections including tb. Serious infections, cancers including lymphoma, muscle problems, and changes in certain labs have occurred. 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N. s main food Agency Suspended all deliveries there after some of its trucks were shot at and overwhelmed by hungry looters. And the desperation is only growing. According to the u. N. , a full quarter of gazas population, that means 576,000 people are just one step away from famine. Nbcs matt bradley joins us now. President biden acknowledged that this incident might complicate the Cease Fire Talks. Tell us about what happened. Complicated Cease Fire Talks that were already devilishly complicated and a lot of people say unlikely to succeed. Now theyre more unlikely. Were hearing starkly different accounts of what happened. Thats been a typical feature of this war since october. Palestinian authorities as you mentioned, they called the killing a massacre. They accused israeli tanks of having opened fire on civilians as they waited for this much needed aid. The Israeli Military said that palestinians had crowded the aid trucks and were looting the aid and that palestinians were killed from pushing, tramping and being run over by those trucks after those aid trucks tried to escape the crowd. I think youre seeing some of those images taken from above. The israeli statement made no mention of machine gunfire, but they pointed to a separate incident that happened a little bit later only a short ways away. The Israeli Military said its soldiers opened fire on civilians after they refused to step away from an Israeli Military check point, not an aid truck. This just shows as you mentioned, the level of e desperation that were seeing in the gaza strip, starvation has become a major disaster there, and were hearing from authorities several infants have now died of malnutrition in gaza just over the past several days. And also, as you mentioned earlier, just today the Gaza Ministry of health announced the death toll for the enclave has now surpassed 30,000, ever since hamass Terror Attacks on october 7th. According to the gazans, most of those people, 30,000 killed, most of them are civilians, nearly half of them are children. Biden spoke on the topic just today. He said this could complicate things Going Forward. Thats likely to happen. There was very little trust between the two sides over these Hostage Negotiations even though the Biden Administration has said several times that theyre optimistic about the results. Now these negotiations are just shrouded in pessimism for all the parties involved. Chris. Nbcs matt bradley, thank you. I want to bring in leon panetta former secretary of defense and former cia director. Its obviously horrific. You talk about children dying of starvation, starving people desperate for food and what seems to be, we dont know exactly how many and where but 100 people or maybe more who are dead now. What is your assessment of the situation as you watched it unfold just today, mr. Secretary . Well, its obviously another very tragic event in a series of tragic events occurring in gaza. You know, on the one hand it points out why its so incredibly important to get a cease fire to be able to allow not only for the hostage exchange, but for humanitarian aid to be delivered without the chaos that we saw today. On the other hand, when events like this happen over 100 are killed, it probably makes it even more difficult to be able to arrive at some kind of agreement. Look, the key point for me is that weve seen these trucks besieged by crowds. Why there cant be better order in the distribution of that humanitarian aid with the amount of military thats there, i dont understand because it creates chaos, and chaos inevitably leads to the kind of tragedy we saw today. Is there more that the u. S. And the International Community can be doing more effectively. One thing said to be under consideration by the Biden Administration is the potential of air drops of aid. Its been suggested including by at least one u. S. Senator, maybe move a u. S. Navy medical ship in that could both deal with the wounded but also can carry a lot of supplies. What can we do that were not doing right now in your view . Well, there are obviously a lot of options to look at. And i do think that the idea of some kind of navy ship, a Hospital Ship coming in and taking port there and being able to provide assistance off that ship is something that should be considered. I also think that working with international organizations, some kind of Military Effort to try to make sure that aid trucks are protected as they go into these areas and better define where those areas are that can provide aid to those in need. There are ways to deal with this. The problem right now is that there are a lot of moving parts in the middle east, and no ones quite sure exactly what parts are going to move and what parts are going to get stuck, but theres no question that if we dont bring better order to how humanitarian aid is being distributed so that it can reach the victims involved that were going to see more of the kind of events we just saw today. Let me also ask you about what happened on the hill today. Somebody whose job you know very well, Defense Secretary lloyd austin testified before a Congressional Committee about his secret Hospital Stay for complications related to prostate surgery. I want to play a little bit of one of the exchanges for you. Who would be held accountable for this . Again this embarrassment. Again, i take full responsibility, and we put measures in place to address the shortcomings. The big issue for me here is either the president is that aloof or you are irrelevant. Which one is it, mr. Secretary . Its neither. That the president would go three days without knowing that his secretary of defense is not on the job. Its neither. Is that a fair question by Congressman Banks . And even if its in your view more political than policy, do you think damage has been done by the continuing questions about the secretary, secretary austins judgment . Look, this was clearly a bad mistake, and he obviously has acknowledged that and taken full responsibility for it, but the bottom line is that it shouldnt have happened, and i know that hes now taking steps to make sure that it doesnt happen again, when he had to go into the hospital, it was clear. They announced what happened so that the public and the white house knew. So theyve learned from that lesson. But, look, you know, this is a rough time on capitol hill, and youre going to get those kinds of questions, and the secretary is a tough guy, and hes got to be able to take those kinds of questions because thats the nature of that process on capitol hill. Youve got to be able to respond to their inquiries whether you like them or not. And i understand as even some voices were raised, his did not. I also have to ask you about other big story really quickly which is that the Supreme Court is now going to take up former President Trumps immunity case. Special counsel jack smith has argued that it is in the publics interest for this to be resolved quickly before the election. People should know before they go to the polls who theyre voting for. As someone who runs a Public Policy institute who does a lot of thinking about, you know, The Big Picture of whats going on in our country, what impact do you believe it has on our democracy for voters if they have to cast ballots without trumps cases being decided . Well, you know, as an attorney, i know the frustrations of dealing with the Criminal Justice system, and very frankly, justice delayed is justice denied, and thats true here. We have somebody who needs to be held accountable for what happened on january 6th and the trial ought to proceed, but im also enough of a realist, i understand that because of the delays that can take place in the judicial process, very frankly we may not get the satisfaction of having a trial take place. Its up to the Biden Campaign to make sure that they are campaigning against this their opponent and that theyre able to deal with that challenge regardless of what happens in the courts. Ive lost hope that any of these cases are going to have an impact in terms of the campaign, and i dont think people ought to be thinking theres a Silver Bullet out there that can somehow resolve this case. This is going to be fought out in a campaign, and its in a campaign that will decide what happens to the future of our democracy. Secretary leon panetta, its good to have you on the program, and we appreciate your time. Good to be with you. Ahead, both President Biden and donald trump heading to texas setting up a dramatic split screen moment at the border. Trump expected to arrive just minutes from now. Were live there next. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Hr jansig reports only on Msnbc Psoriasis held me back. Now with skyrizi, im all in with clearer skin. Things are getting clearer. i feel free. To bear my skin, yeah thats all me. Nothing is everything with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months. 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Those escalating worries are why both president ial candidates are heading to the u. S. mexico border today, a chance to lay out their wildly dichblt visions for how to solve a problem that has defied a serious solution for decades. Nbcs Gabe Gutierrez is in brownsville, back with us jonathan la marry. Okay, dasha, donald trump about to arrive at the Del Rio Airport as he heads to eagle pass, what are we expecting from him today . Reporter hes going to be arriving here at shelby park, which is right on the border in just a couple of hours, and its really important to point out the context here of eagle pass, chris. This is the epicenter of the federal versus State Standoff when it comes to immigration. This is where Governor Abbott has deployed thousands of National Guard troops. Its where he implemented and deployed this barbed wiing all across the border here where you see those razor buoys that he placed on the rio grande. This is where its all happening. Former President Trump last came to the border back in november when he accepted Governor Abbotts endorsement, and were likely to hear him contrast his record with President Bidens. Hes going to be highlighting some personal stories im told by the campaign, and recently hes really been pointing to stories like that of the Georgia Nursing School student who has killed allegedly by a venezuelan migrant. Hes been stoking fears about this Migrant Crime wave, our colleagues did an analysis of that and took a look and found that trumps claims arent supported by national day fa. The Nbc News Review of available 2024 crime data shows that overall crime levels dropped in cities that have received the most migrants, but nonetheless, chris, this is something that trump sees as politically positive for him given the polling of voters being frustrated with President Bidens response. Its something he wants to capitalize on, and we will likely see him tout what he did in his first term and how hes looking to build on that significantly if hes elected to the white house once again, chris. He will be there soon, and in the meantime, gabe, President Biden will touch down in brownsville in the next hour on the heels of a win over that controversial texas law that would have allowed police there to arrest people suspectd of suspected of crossing the border illegally. Set the scene for us. Reporter hi there, chris, President Biden making his second trip to the southern border since taking office, and dasha said that the eagle pass where former President Trump is going is the epicenter of that Border Battle. Well, brownsville used to be years ago the busiest sector for illegal border crossings. That has changed, especially within the past year. There are more crossings now in arizona and california, for example, and thats why several Border Patrol or many Border Patrol agents including a representative from their union here who i just spoke with a short time ago, theyre upset that President Biden is coming here as opposed to other parts of the border. Now, the president is expected to come here and try and make his case. Its not his administration to blame for the Immigration Problems were having now, but instead House Republicans who are standing in the way of that bipartisan border funding deal. The president will make that case here today, but as you said, chris, we have some Breaking News just in the past few hours, sb 4, that controversial law that would have allowed texas local authorities to arrest migrants who crossed into the u. S. Illegally, a judge has temporarily blocked that, basically saying its not up to the local government to handle immigration, that its up to the federal government, and just within the past few minutes, chris, we just got a statement from Texas Governor greg abbott who says that texas has a right to defend itself because of President Bidens ongoing failure. So once again, that Border Battle between the federal government and the state of texas is escalating. President Biden Walking right into it, and according to a Senior Administration official, quote, we welcome the split screen. Wow, okay. So jonathan, look, i think dasha laid out really well, theres reality of whats happening on the border, right . And then theres the messaging. And these visits do follow that series of negative border headlines from the record 300,000 Migrant Crossings at the end of last year to just this week, and dasha mentioned this, when investigators said the suspect in the death of a 22yearold georgia Nursing Student had entered the u. S. Illegally. There is also that Monmouth University poll from earlier this week that shows 53 of americans now favor building a wall. So against all of that, how big a moment politically can today be for both of these candidates . Yeah, it will be a striking split screen, and each candidate will tell the story that they want to impart to voters, for donald trump, a very busy border crossing, it will be depictions of chaos and fear. Hes been leaning into this idea of Migrant Crime of late. Even though statistics prove there has been no rise in crime in cities that have seen this influx of migrants. Thats a myth that donald trump is trying to push. For President Biden, its going to be about ownership and trying to direct this at republicans. To flat out say, look, yes, we know theres an issue with the border. We tried to solve it. There was a bipartisan solution in the senate. Republicans were behind it including a conservative senator from oklahoma. This was going to pass until donald trump said no because trump wanted to preserve it as a political issue in his campaign putting his own interests ahead of those of the country. And were going to hear that a lot from President Biden beginning today where hes going to say, look, i was going to sign this thing. This was a tough measure, some in my own party opposed this. I was going to do it anyway because its the right thing to do. Of course as youve been noting, polls suggest its a major issue to americans, and so far, voters per these polls still blame democrats, what the white house and the Biden Reelect team hopes is today is the beginning of changing that narrative. They dont anticipate theyre going to be able to win these polls, but maybe they can cushion them a little bit. Cut into those margins, make this less of a damaging issue for november. Were going to hear that from the president today, and you can rest assured we will again next week when he delivers his state of the union. Without a doubt, Jonathan Lemire, dasha burns, thank you both. Congress strikes a deal to fund the government on the eve of a shutdown, but can both chambers pass it before midnight tomorrow. Those details straight ahead. Tomorrow those details straight ahead tourists tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists photographing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. That can be analyzed by ai in real time. So researchers can identify which areas are at risk. And help life underwater flourish. One breath. Can delight them all. Protect yourself against rsv. With pfizers abrysvo a vaccine to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. 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Ryan nobles is on capitol hill, brendan buck is a former aide to speakers paul ryan and john boehner and an msnbc political analyst. Good to have both of you on. Okay, ryan, i understand that the bill has been brought to the floor under suspension, which means it needs the support of twothirds of members to pass. When is this going to happen, and how sure a thing is it . Reporter the speaker of the house just walked behind me, chris. That means were heading in the right direction. It will probably happen, at least on the house side here, in the next half hour to 45 minutes. That bill will be passed. We do expect the senate could take it up as soon as this evening. There will likely be an Amendment Vote that senator rand paul is asking for in order to speed up the process on the senate side, but theres a real possibility that at least this first stage of a Government Shutdown will be avoided as soon as tonight. Now, as you rightly point out, that doesnt mean theyve solved the problem completely. They still have quite a bit of work to do. There is the sense they have pretty broad agreement on the First Tranche of bills. There are six different bills that were scheduled to expire on friday. That deadline has now been pushed back to a week from friday, march 8th, and that includes departments like the food and drug administration, transportations, veterans affairs, things along those lines, and then there will be the more difficult conversation, the bigger departments, the agencies that have a lot of money tied to them, and of course a lot of policy issues too that conservatives in particular have taken issue with like the department of defense, state department, Homeland Security and others. There is still a belief that theyll be able to get the bier package done by the 22nd, but theres no guarantees at this point. So this first stage, got to avoid a good shutdown for now, but theres still a lot of work to be done before the end of the month to be assured the government will remain funded at least through the fall. Really quick, ryan, remind me, when were they supposed to do this . Is it five months now . Reporter its a long time. This is something that should have been settled last fall. Whats interesting about this, is they should be having conversations about next years budget. They shouldnt be in the process of going through the process for the 2025 budget because come september, this process is going to have to start all over again. So yeah, this is really late. When you think about it, theyre really still working off the 2022 budget cycle which was passed when democrats had control of everything. While conservatives have tried to kind of put their imprint on this budget process, in reality what theyre dealing with is speaker pelosi, joe bidens and Chuck Schumers budget. I think if i didnt pay my rent or more mortgage for three, four, five months the Eviction Notice would go up. Not so here, they just keep passing another cr. Byron donald says hes voting no, and he said this to the wall street journal. This town always needs more time to come up with deals that are not in the best interests of the American People. So lets assume that this all passes, they get the cr. It only buys the speaker, as we said, a week, a few weeks before they have to do it all over again. You worked closely with two speakers, is there something the American People are missing here . No, not at all, actually. Theyve really made a mess of this. Look, Speaker Johnson is really doing very little more than it delaying the inevitable pain he knows hes going to face. There are conservatives in his conference that are not going to like whatever bills they produce. There are going to be very few policy wins attached to them. Theyre going to be increasing spending, not a lot but theyre going to be increasing spending. What i fear for him, the more you drag this out, youre just allowing those squeaky wheels to get louder. Byron donalds represents a large faction of the conference that says we dont want any of this. What theyre asking for is a complete continuing resolution for the entire year. That is put the entire government on Auto Spending from what we have now. This gets a little complicated, but theres a provision of that Debt Limit Agreement that joe biden and Kevin Mccarthy put in place last year that said if they dont enact all of the spending bills, the entire government gets a 1 spending cut. To them, thats a better deal, and i think the longer this thing drags out, the more youre going to have conservatives saying hold on a second, even if we get to put our imprint on it, even if its no longer Nancy Pelosis budget as ryan said, its a 1 cut, and well take that over anything else. You rightly pointed out the margin for passing these things now is 290 votes. Twothirds, not just a simple majority, and the more that those conservatives speak up, demand a 1 cut, its going to get harder and harder for johnson to get the necessary number of votes to pass these things. Theres a lot of open questions about whether were going to actually be able to get these bills done, even though theres happy talk about finding agreements. Youre not ruling out a shutdown. Im ruling out a shutdown this week, but maybe next week, maybe later in march we might be seeing one stwl ryan nobles, brendan buck, ground hog day, well see you guys again. Weve got some Breaking News, e. Jean carroll has just filed her response to Donald Trumps attempts to put a hold on the 83. 3 million judgment against him in her defamation case. Well dig into that and what happens now. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Porerts only on msnbc you alwad on the green. Not you. 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He simply asks the court to trust me and offers in a case with an 83. 3 million judgment against him the court filing equivalent of a paper napkin signed by the least trust worthy of borrowers. How does it go on from there . They make a number of arguments about why the court shouldnt take trumps word for it. This is an effort by donald trump to get an indefinite stay without having to post the kind of appeals bond that we have been discussing not only in this case, but also in the Civil Fraud Trial that the Attorney General recently won, and in fact, they bring that Civil Fraud Trial up as one of their concerns about trumps Cash Position. They say there is no legal justification under federal law for obtaining a stay without any security, which is what trump is proposing here, right, a stay without having to put up any money. They say even if there were, they have very serious concerns about trumps Cash Position and the feasibility and ease of collecting on the judgment in this case. Why . Because just yesterday, he tried to get a New York State Appeals Court to let him put up only 100 million as security for that 454 million judgment against him. That was rejected on an interim basis. Trump still has an opportunity to brief that, but theyre saying, we can see that he is desperate and then going back to the point that you raised, which is they say there is no transparency or trust worthiness when it comes to his financial situation because again and again, weve seen him try to hide the ball with the American People and with the public, and they cite everything from the evidence and case that judge engoron decided, same new york civil fraud case, but also to our friend and colleague, Suzanne Craig is reporting for the New York Times where she excavated years of trumps tax returns and other Financial Information to show that his financial picture was not what he portrayed it to be to the american public. They also quote Suzanne Craigs investigative work, saying trump maintained a long history of attempting to skirt his debts, adding between 1990 and 2009 his company declared bankruptcy six times, and trumps motion should be denied because he has not established the requisite strong likelihood of success in reducing the jury award. Is part of his argument, hold on, im going to try and get this jury award reduced and in the meantime, lets put this all on hold. And shes saying thats essentially, theyre saying its a joke. Let me take this apart for you. In the ordinary course, in order to obtain a stay, one of the factors is you have to show youre likely to succeed on the merits of your argument. Trump saying you should stay this indefinitely while i pursue post Trial Motions including a motion to reduce the judgment, unlikely to win, the case law is in my favorite, and theyre saying thats not true at all. 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