good day, i'm chris jansing live in london. we do have breaking news. in just the last ten minutes we learned an american citizen could be among the hostages released from gaza today. that's according to a u.s. official and a diplomat with knowledge of these fast-moving events. we're also following an unspeakable, almost unimaginable tragedy in a war that has been full of them. hamas is now saying that the biebas family, a mother and her two young children reportedly died while in their custody, although they're blaming israel. what impact could this have on the broader conflict and on negotiation aimed at extending the truce. george santos may be in his final hours as a member of congress. but santos remains defiant. his future and his hopes of avoiding that fate now down to simple math. we'll explain coming up. and we have been watching the pictures coming out of georgia where rosalynn carter has made her last trip back to the town of plains where she was born 96 years ago and where she will now be laid to rest. the latest on that and her husband's final farewell. but first, i want to bring in nbc's monica alba who was covering the white house for us. monica, is there any indication of who the american hostage is who we're learning is expected to be among those released today? >> reporter: well, chris, we don't have all of those details yet, and that really just speaks to how fluid this situation is. we know now from a u.s. official and a diplomat with knowledge of these talks and these events that it's possible one american could be among the group of hostages that would be released today, and now here's a little bit more about what we know behind the scenes that helps us narrow down who that person could be. we know that there were initially three americans who could be released based on the criteria of women and children in corresponding with the initial agreement. so we saw, of course, 4-year-old abigail idan released on sunday. she was the first dual israeli american citizen to be freed from gaza after being held by hamas. so that leaves two other american women potentially who we are still waiting to see how they will be released, if and when and whether that will actually take place today. so i'm told it would be potentially one of those two women, but until this is really final, it's very difficult to speculate because we've seen the lists come out, sometimes they shift. things can move, things can be delayed, there can be some kind of a derailment of the deal, and then it gets back on track. and all of this is happening, chris, as this agreement -- remember, we are now in this extension by two days of the truce. it could be expanded again, but we have no idea if that's really going to happen. as it stands right now, that agreement is set to expire in a matter of hours. so if it is just one potential american who is included today, there are a lot of question marks about what would happen with that other american woman, and then we also know that there's this larger conversation going on with this intensive diplomatic discussion going on from the u.s. and others about whether this next phase, another extension could now start the conversation about releasing potentially american men or anyone who is connected to the military who is being held who might be a woman or a man as well. those conversations still have to take place, and there's so much that needs to be ironed out. but i am told by a u.s. official that the biden administration maintains it is hopeful that extension will take place today, but again, we have to just stress, chris, that we don't know if that's going to happen for sure, but we did see and hear from secretary antony blinken in the region today who spoke to this and why they are hoping this will be the case. here's a little bit from his remarks. >> to make sure that its people have what they need to get by. looking at the next couple of days, we'll be focused on making -- doing what we can to extend the pause so that we can continue to get more hostages out and more humanitarian assistance in. we'll discuss with israel how it can achieve its objective in ensuring that the terrorist attacks on october 7th never happen again, while sustaining an increasing amount of assistance and minimizing further suffering. >> what's notable as well, chris, is that up until yesterday and as recently as we've seen over these last couple of days as hostages have been released, the u.s. has not been completely certain about the visibility it has as to where these american women are being held. we know that hostages are being held not just by hamas but by other militant groups in gaza. that's another big part of this in terms of whether these two american women are being held in different places by different people, and that is why potentially we may only see one of them released today, though, again, i have to just stress that until they are transferred over the boarder and checked by medical officials, we can't rely on that even though of course it would be incredibly good news if it does come to pass, chris. >> monica alba, thank you for bringing us up to speed on that news. as we wait for more news, there is a heartbreaking development to tell you about. israeli forces confirming that they have informed the family of three israeli hostages that, according to hamas, all of them are now dead. those hostages, 10-month-old, kefir biebas, his 4-year-old brother, and his mother. the idf says they are still working to verify hamas's claims. if it is true, it is obviously a horrific tragedy that comes amid otherwise hopeful news that that temporary cease fire in gaza may be extended for a second time. it is a major development. we heard it from a senior arab diplomat directly involved in the negotiations. the word they are using is expectation, that it is their expectation that the truce will continue for at least two more days. according to nbc ws, 86 hostages have been released so far. 81 of them since the initial cease fire began on friday. that's not including the ones expected to be released today. nbc news is also reporting that according to a diplomat with knowledge of the talks, negotiators are now discussing the release of groups other than just women and children, so simultaneously ongoing negotiations are aimed toward a pause in the fighting that goes beyond just two or four days. that is critical. obviously forgetting the hostages out, but also for the international community that's been surging aid and supplies to those still in gaza. according to the world health organization, 1.3 million palestinians are living in shelters there. more than 200,000 of them suffering from health problems brought on by lack of food, water, sanitation, and basic hygiene. i want to bring in nbc's erin mclaughlin. where do we believe negotiations stand at this hour, and what do we know about the fate of these three israeli hostages? >> reporter: we're just beginning to hear news on today's exchange, the israeli military posting the following, according to the information provided by the red cross two israeli hostages were transferred to them and were on their way to israeli territory. their release is in addition to the list of hostages that are scheduled to be released today. we are expecting ten hostages to be released today. now according to this statement, 12 are actually being released by hamas. we're awaiting word on the other 10. as you mentioned that knees about the bibas' family, heartbreaking for them. the israeli military saying they have notiied the family of this claim coming from hamas's militant wing. so far they have been unable to veri it. the bibas family putting out a statement saying our family is dated on the latest hamas publication. we are waiting for the news to be confirmed or hopefully refuted soon by military officials. we thank the people of israel for the warm embrace but ask to maintain our privacy at this complex time. this as calls for the freedom of the bibas family have been growing in recent days. just yesterday there was a rally here in tel aviv. they released orange balloons in the sky to represent the redheaded babies, 10-month-old and the 4-year-old. it is worth noting that some of these claims in the past have been unreliable. given the case of hannah cat sere, 76 years old, an israeli hostage, islamic jihad, an israeli group in gaza claimed she had been killed by an israeli air strike. she was among the first hostages to be released. so we are still waiting when it comes to the bibas family for news, concrete news from the israeli military confirming that at least three members were killed in the israeli air strike. the military, government officials quick to point out that the fate of any of the hostages in gaza is the sole responsibility of hamas. this as they continue, we understand, to negotiate another possible extension to the cease fire. we're waiting for more news on that, if it is not extended, the cease fire is expected to end tomorrow. chris. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you so much. a couple of pieces of breaking news, let me bring in "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker who is an msnbc political analyst. haviv gur is a senior analyst with the times of israel. great to have both of you here. i don't know if we have haviv to come up. can you hear me, haviv? >> yes, i can hear you. >> great. i want to ask you first about this new information we got from the red cross. it appears that 12 people are going to be released today, but according to information from the red cross, two israeli abductees were transferred to them and are on their way to israeli territory. i wonder what you make of that. we have two, the word is there may be 12. the ongoing, uncertainty as we have often said until they're actually in the hands of the red cross, the statements you cannot pretend are necessarily going to come to pass. >> you can't be sure. >> right, right. i'm not entirely sure who those two people are. the hamas did say today that they're releasing two russian israelis, and specifically made the point as a gesture to vladimir putin and the russian government, so they could be two added onto that. in the ten, we know that just most of the children are now out of gaza essentially. the bibas siblings are obviously not, and there are a couple others who are not whose story is just as tragic. but so that's basically the group that's out now. we're most of the way through the children. there's about two dozen women still left, and then begins the extension that everyone is talking about, and qatari officials are talking about getting the men out. >> what are your sources telling you about the potential for another extension of the cease fire? how long is it possible, do you think, to keep this going? >> it looks like it's in hamas's profound interest to keep this going. they are finding hostages. they are finding hostages they claimed -- they weren't able to find, and so they want this cease fire to keep going. they probably believe, they have said they believe that the pressure on israel is building and this could actually prevent a resumption of the ground war. if that is what they believe is happening, then i think they are mistaken. there's almost just politically within israel, strategically the scale of the threat that october 7th represents means that hamas can't remain in gaza. so we are looking at a resumption of the ground war, but of course the israelis would like to get out just about everyone, as many as they possibly can in this window because once the war moves on to khan younis, it's not clear if that's even possible. >> and i wonder, peter, if we can talk a little bit about the intersection between the human cost here and the politics of it and how one informs the other. and by that i mean, when y see the pictures of the beautiful family and know that a mother and two children, including a baby, are dead, it is something that captures a lot of people's attention and for understandable reason. when you look at kfir, you look at ariel, you look at their beautiful mother, how does this horrible loss play into pressure, play into political negotiations? certainly there's been a lot of pressure on the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, but the president has been feeling both internal pressure at the white house as well as the obvious external pressure. talk about that intersection. >> well, obviously the last few weeks there's been a lot of attention understandably and correctly on the civilian casualties in gaza that has added to the pressure on the president from the left wing of his party. the reminder that coming back to the hostages reminds people of the other side, the original side of this particular, you know, tragic war that started on october 7th when hamas attacked israel and took 240 people hostage. that picture that you show, the human cost on that side, and i think that that has reminded the politicians in washington that israel was the victim of this attack, even as many people, of course, are concerned about the casualty toll on civilians in gaza. it gives president biden a little bit of a breather as long as the pause continues. his democratic allies have been calling -- some of them have been calling for a cease fire, and in fact, they've got one on a temporary basis. the question is what happens when the hostage exchanges are done. at some point hamas will run out of hostages or run out of hostages they're willing to release. then what happens at that point? israel presumably does restart its ground war. it said it want thes to do that. the biden administration has been vocal about the way that should be conducted. cautioning them not to go into the south gaza where so many civilians have taken shelter without a plan, a better plan to minimize casualties sochlt there's real tension there between washington and jerusem right now. >> yeah, i want to ask you -- and maybe i should start by reading a part of the reporting in your paper that says, quote, two people with knowledge of the talks said that the hope was the current model would generate momentum, that would prevent the resumption of hostilities and would create the conditions for longer term talks. bibi netanyahu has been very consistent saying it's not a matter of if, but when they resume the fighting. so how do you reconcile the -- or help us reconcile that with the times reporting whether among the people you're talking to, they believe on the american side there is a legitimate chance this war could be on hold for a while? >> well, i don't think they're holding their breath, but obviously i think it would certainly be a happy day in the white house if the war were not to resume at certainly the scale it had been before. they're not going to say that quite so explicitly out loud. they recognize the politics in israel. we've seen, of course, bibi netanyahu's his own right wing coalition pressuring him to make sure he does resume military operation once these hostages are released. he's under a great deal of pressure to do that. as we just talked about, the politics in israel are such that nobody wants to leave hamas in any sense of power in gaza, so it's hard to imagine netanyahu simply, you know, holding back if there's not another alternative there. it doesn't seem -- what the alternative might be at this point is not very clear. >> we're seeing a live picture here, this is egyptian television, and we believe we are waiting for the actual hostage exchanges, and haviv, i want to ask you a little bit about something that was reported by sky news middle east correspondent al stair bunk l who started by saying he'd talked to a senior idf official over the weekend, quote, when do you think the war will end i asked the officer? the reply, when uncle sam says enough. is that, you think, an accurate depiction of the dynamics as they are right now? >> i don't think so. i don't know who that officer was, but i don't think that officer represents. i think that was a flippant comment. president biden did not allow the war. president biden did not enable the war. president biden prevented the war from being much larger. the israelis had to go to this war after october 7th after that massacre after 240 hostages and 1,200 dead. and what president biden did was essentially tell the iranians and hezbollah and lebanon don't expand this into a regional conflict because we're here in force. so that -- giving israel that backing allowed israel to conduct a smaller war. there isn't -- i don't -- in my estimation of israeli psychology right now, there isn't a capacity of america to actually tell israel -- israel won't listen. it won't listen and i don't think america has leverage on that point. let me just point out to the extent to which we should expect this war to expand. there are hundreds of thousands of israelis internally displaced in israel right now, probably around 200,000, northern villages on the northern border are empty for about six weeks now. all the villages and towns around gaza are empty, and those people won't come home as long as the massive threats both in gaza and in lebanon are removed, and so the very fact that the israeli government is housing them in hotels all this time, tells me that the israeli government intends to solve these problems, these military problems before -- in time for these people to return home in some reasonable amount of time. so you should expect this war to expand and the best america can do is try to keep it from expanding too much. we just got a press release from the hostage and missing persons family's form which was founded in the wake of the horrific attack by hamas and the taking of these hostages. they have confirmed or they say that two people who are released -- it's important that we say, we don't know if these are the two the idf talked about or part of the larger group scheduled to be released today, y lanai tropinov, 50 years old irina her mother who is 73 years old. the entire family immigrated together from russia to israel. irina has worked all her life as a dr. yulana worked for -- they were kidnapped from their home at the kibbutz nir oz along with sasha, who are believed to still being held by llamas. -- hamas. this word from the hostages and missing persons forum headquarters that these two are the ones who have been released. as we see more of these releases and more people are coming home, haviv, have you sensed in any way the mood on the ground in israel or the support for bibi netanyahu shifting in any way? >> that's a very good question. every poll we have tells us that the israeli public blames netanyahu for what happened, for the army's unreadiness, netanyahu has been prime minister for something like 14 of the last 15 years. netanyahu led a policy that argued -- and he has argued for 14 years, hamas is detained, hamas is deterred. on october 7th we learned that is catastrophically incorrect. i don't think any of this helps netanyahu. i don't think any of this helps hamas. you know, i have to get this in. there is still a minor in gaza, and i haven't seen the entire list. it looks like most of the kids are out, but 17-year-old aisha, a teenager muslim, arab, israeli is still in gaza, and is one of the last in gaza, minors, and there is no word about her and her family is terrified. she's there with her brother, her father, they were all kidnapped. october 7th saw mass rape, and so the fear for her is very real, and the very fact that we're not even hearing about her from hamas, there's not even an effort to even -- it tells you something about hamas. there are dozens of muslim arab israeli casualties from hamas's massacre on october 7th as well. i don't think netanyahu is going to be rescued. there are still minors and there are still women. the very fact that they want to move on to a new extension talking about men and soldiers without having finished the women and children is also to the israelis something that makes a new deal difficult to reach because hamas still hasn't full filled the last deal. >> just want to remind people who may be joining us, this is egyptian television that you're seeing, and this is the site of what is one of the hostage exchanges. i want to bring back monica alba covering the white house before we get to what happens after, monica, let's talk about what's happening now. we talked about this extension of two days in the cease fire, the temporary cease fire. what do we know about the ongoing negotiations in the next terms of what this truce will look like? >> reporter: well, we know, chris, that secretary blinken cia director burns, special hostage envoy roger car ster karstens, all of them have been in the region to participate in key talks. i'm told that under discussion and negotiation right now would be something like another two-day extension, that it's not believed that it could be something longer than that at this juncture. again, that could shift, but the current operating and thinking behind that is to go in these smaller increments because, again, the hope is to get more hostages released for every single day that the truce holds. so that is right now what they're discussing. we know that qatar has obviously been the key mediator in these talks between israel, between the u.s., hamas, egypt, all players in this in terms of how it works and the mechanics of this temporary truce, potentially being extended, but what i think is really notable, chris, is that now we're also hearing some comments from senior administration officials and the white house about what things could look like if the truce lapses, if things go back to the hostilities and the u.s. is really warning israel now in a different way to be extremely cognizant of civilian life if that military action does resume, if this temporary pause in the fighting halts as expected tonight at midnight in israel, if there is no extension. something could come together before that. but as it stands, if it were to stop and the fighting were to resume, the u.s. is really urging israel in a more significant manner to make sure that there can be no what they're calling significant displacement of people in gaza the way that we saw happen in horrific manner in the initial weeks in terms of everybody moving from northern gaza to the southern part of gaza, so the u.s. is being very clear and precise in its language, and i can assume that this is something that secretary blinken himself will be delivering in person in these conversations when he is there to really stress that that has to be something that is considered. and the other thing that we've learned, chris, in the last couple of days is that initially according to the u.s., israel did plan for a far larger ground invasion, and the u.s. feels that they were able to play a role in those conversations initially to try to net that down. those were the words of white house senior administration officials, and that then ultimately what we saw was in their words more precise military action. and so this is, again, something that the u.s. will continue to stress to israel, and the other component to all of this in this conversation from the u.s. perspective, chris, is that they feel the longer the truce can go, that means the more humanitarian aid can flow in, and that is a really big priority for this white house as well. they're trying to say the pause is excellent because of course hostages can be released, but it's also very beneficial because there is such desperately needed assistance into gaza when it comes to medical items, when it comes to food. so they view this obviously on multiple and parallel tracks of making the argument of why this should be extended, but we also know that now with more hostages being released, comes this question of can hamas locate and secure how to release the hostages that they themselves are not holding, and hamas we have learned has said things like we need more time to potentially locate some of these people who could be eligible for release, and that could take, again, a couple of days. and so they need to resolve all of that before they can say that it can be a longer extension potentially than this two-day pause. all of those factors are at play here, and i'm told that the president is really being briefed on all of that while he's currently traveling in colorado today. chris. >> monica, thank you for that. we did see just a short time ago a couple of the red cross trucks with the very recognizable red cross moving as we wait for that exchange to happen. let me go back, if i can, peter to what monica was talking about and, look, this administration has been extremely public for days now that if and when the hostilities resume, the military action resumes, they want to limit, they want israel to limit any kind of significant displacement. do they believe that benjamin netanyahu was listening? >> well, i think they have had influence in shaping the military operation to some extent up until now. if you look at the ground assault on the hospital, for instance, the american side feels that the israelis were listening about trying to be a little bit more targeted in how they approached it, make sure they brought medical, you know, equipment and supplies in with them while they, you know, look for hamas infrastructure at that hospital. they feel like the israelis were, in fact, paying attention to them at that point. that doesn't mean that they have agreed with or supported everything that israel has done up until now, but they do feel like they have had an opportunity to be heard from time to time, their advice has been heeded. so they're hoping that they can get this message across to israel about how -- a resumption of hostilities should occur, if it does occur. they're being more vocal and more public about it than they had been before, which suggests a certain degree of concern or frustration that perhaps they may not be listened to. >> we are getting an idf statement, and i want to read that again confirming what we were talking about from the hostage and missing persons family forum. a short while ago red cross representatives transferred the two israeli hostages to egypt. the released hostages are currently making their way to israel through egypt to their meeting point with our soldiers. security officials will verify the identity of the released hostages at the meeting point. the families of the hostages continue to be updated by idf representatives, all of them have contact with multiple people who have stayed in touch with them from the very beginning of the time when they were taken hostage, and just to remind you that according to the hostages and missing person's family forum, they've identified the two people who are being released as a mother and daughter, irina tati who is 73, and yulana tupanov, her husband was murdered in the attack on october 7th and there are still two members of the family and the son's girlfriend who are -- actually, it's the son and his girlfriend who are still being held captive by hamas. haviv, this is of the many horrors and there are many of what we have seen in this, and the unimaginable grief that these families are feeling, we have seen so many of these families ripped apart. ripped apart in terms of people who were able to survive, and those who did not. those who are left behind and continue to be in hamas captivity. tell us a little bit about the stories that you have heard and that are staying with you about these hostages and their families is and what we're learning as more and more of them are released. >> thank you for having. it's not stories i've heard, it's close friends, a good friend of my wife's, her family, 11 members of her family were killed and taken hostage. three were found dead, eight were taken into gaza including a 3-year-old girl, including an 8-year-old boy, a 12-year-old girl, her sister, her mother. over the last four days, those have all been released. in other words, just about the entire family is out. the grandma is out. the 3-year-old girl is out, and these are friends of ours who my wife has helped them try and get media attention to their cause and they work together, they're colleagues. every israeli family knows someone immediately directly affected when 1,200 people are killed, that's 1,200 families and extended families that everybody just knows. it's a small country. and so just about all of them are out except for the father of the little kids, who is kept because the men are last in this agreement, and so those kids only found out their grandpa died when they got back to israel. they've told us -- they've told us that very terrible stories of what happened, that i am not at liberty to share all of them, but these kids are -- it's going to -- as she said of her nephew and niece, the change of scenery doesn't fix the things that they have gone through, and so it's going to be a long time for them to recover. 3-year-old girl who doesn't speak out now. so we're dealing with that. every family in israel that i know is dealing in one way or another with the shock of that. and with hamas's purposeful intentional cruelty. this is all calculated, this is all purposeful. it's part of the strategy, a grand strategy that they think is going to serve the palestinian cause over time, you know. it's easy to disagree with hamas over what serves the palestinian cause. but yeah, it's personal. it's personal for just about every israeli. >> and it's a good reminder that long after this story goes away, long after the guns are put down that what these folks have lived through and what they have lost does not go away. nbc's erin mclaughlin rejoins us from israel. and erin, as we are watching yet another release of these hostages and the anticipation of more remind us of the cadence, how this has played out before and what it could mean today. >> reporter: yeah, well, generally when these releases happen -- and i say generally because every day can be a little different, chris. they hand -- hamas hands hostages over to the red cross. the red cross drives them through the rafah crossing into egypt where they are met by specialized israeli forces. in the case of children being handed over, they're met by forces that are specifically trained to handle children. from there they're driven into israel to an air force base where they're loaded onto helicopters. the helicopters fly to one of five israeli hospitals where they're reunited with their families. that is typically the process. we now know that two hostages have been released early. they're russian nationals. that's significant. the last time a russian national was released by hamas was three days ago, and it was seen as a thank you to russian president vladimir putin for his support for hamas. they're released early, and then that is followed by the agreed upon hostages between hamas and israel. now, that seems to be what's happening here. we know that these two russian women, dual nationals, have now been released. we're waiting for word now on the other ten. chris. >> thank you so much for that update. i want to bring in medal of honor recipient nbc military analyst colonel jack jacobs who joins us on the phone. jack, when you see another release -- and we have seen them consistently now over the course of the last five days it is and potentially an extension -- every time they keep their end of the bargain, every time today potentially 12 hostages are released, does it give some surety, does it give some hope that it will continue this way, or is it every day, every day is a new day? >> well, it's a little bit of both. obviously if they keep releasing hostages, ultimately they'll run out of hostages to release, and the calculus for the israeli government is what do they do then? but it does give hope every day when people are released and repatriate on both sides, but that can't last forever, and it's a piece like this -- and it's not a piece really, just a cease fire -- is extremely fragile. it doesn't take very much to break it, and it could be broken not necessarily by either side, either hamas or the idf, but it could be broken by one of the other players in the region motivated by iran who will take advantage of the situation and cause the hostilities inside gaza to be renewed. so just about anything is possible as long as this continues, the peace continues, the cease fire continues, the greater the chance there is that the majority of the hostages on both sides will be released. it does raise the question what happens when all the hostages are rereleased, chris. >> thank you so much for that, colonel jack jacobs. peter, let me ask you before we go -- oh, peter has left us. haviv, perhaps you can help us answer this question. how sure is our intelligence agencies? and i'm talking obviously first and foremost israel but also the united states, other intelligence agencies who are involved in this, that they have a good sense, a decent sense of where the hostages not being held by hamas are or being held by whom? >> i think that there's a very poor sense of where the hostages are being held. hamas is very proud of the hundreds of kilometers of tunnels and bunkers that it has constructed over, you know, 15 years really, beneath gaza, especially gaza city and khan younis south of the gaza strip, and the hostages are there. they're buried in these areas. there's some intelligence, the israeli ground incursion has built out tremendous amount of intelligence about the tunnel system in the north, but there are infinite numbers of places where they could still be hidden. we have not seen an israeli military ability to find hostages in those tunnels and pull them out, which tells you how well those tunnels are covered, how secretly they were built. if the american intelligence services had knowledge, then the israelis would presumably have that knowledge and try to get them out, and the israelis as well. so we can't get to the hostages by some kind of commando raid. these tunnels in many, many places have been booby trapped, the israeli combat engineers have had to blow up many of these bombs. so it's quite likely we have to wait for hamas to release them. but that doesn't mean that the military doesn't know how to release them. the military's equation has been oaf the last six weeks that military pressure is what is going to convince hamas to release them. the israelis are eager and willing to go back to the task, the main war goal is not the release of the hostages. it is the removal of hamas threat in the gaza strip and so the war is going to continue. that pressure will buy hamas respite when it needs that respite it will release hostages. that seems to be the equation we're looking at. there has been talk, talk, hope that this can be the beginning of a cease fire. it's a cease fire only if hamas is willing to leave gaza. i mean a longer cease fire, some kind of a long-term, maybe even beginning of an end to the war, that's only true if hamas is willing to leave. if it's not willing to leave, then it is not those things. the goal is to get rid of hamas and hamas will once again be able to buy some time with hostages down the road. >> haviv gur, and to all of our guests, i want to thank them. i want to remind our viewers, three big pieces of break news today. first of all that an american citizen could be among the hostages released. two hostages, israeli hostages have already been released and brought to the red cross and have made their way to egypt and an almost unimaginable tragedy, a family of three, a mother and two young children now according to hamas, israeli citizen, have died. we'll continue to follow all of this developing news, but we 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employee to plot the murder. nbc's ken dilanian has the latest reporting on this. what more can you tell us, ken? >> chris, the justice department says the intended victim in this case is a sikh activist base instead new york who favors a separate sikh nation in part of india. he's essentially an enemy of the indian government. what's so remarkable about this is that federal prosecutors are saying this plot was directed from india and that the accused assassin worked in concert with an employee who referred to himself as a senior intelligence operative. u.s. prosecutors say this plot in new york unfolded in june and was connected to the murder of another sikh separatist outside a sikh temple in british columbia, canada, in june. the canadian prime minister made a big splash when he said that credible intelligence showed that the indian government had directed and planned that murder. now, the indian government has denied this, but the biden white house says it raised the issue with india and is taking it very seriously. "the washington post" is reporting that cia director william burns flew to india in august and director of national intelligence avril haines followed in october, both to discuss this issue. now, one reason the new york plot didn't succeed is that the accused tried to hire a hitman who turned out to be an undercover u.s. law enforcement officer. narendra modi's government has accused sikhs of fomenting terrorist attacks in india. one important question here, chris, is whether the u.s. policy of killing people our government designates as terrorists overseas has emboldened other countries to do the same. this is a door that no one ever wanted to open, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. disgraced congressman george santos could be packing up his capitol hill office by the weekend. members of both parties have now introduced resolutions to expel the new york republican from the house. but it must be brought up for a vote by tomorrow. santos already survived two other expulsion efforts. with this third one coming in response to a scathing ethics report. he remains defiant, even challenging his colleagues ahead of the vote. >> i mean, put up or shut up at this point. all these members are pushing this. they want me to resign because they don't want to take this tough vote that sets the precedent to their own demise in the future because they're not immune from all the nonsense that goes on in washington. >> nbc's sahil ka por is reporting from capitol hill. also joining us a senior msnbc political analyst. sahil, when could we see this vote take place, and is there any indication right now that there are enough votes to expel santos this time? do we have a good whip count? >> reporter: first on the timing, chris, a vote is expected in the house tomorrow, but it could slip to friday. do they have the votes? that is still up in the air at this moment. some of george santos' fellow new york republicans on long island sound very confident they have the votes to remove him. house republican leaders are much more torn about this. they're not saying how they would vote and they're saying there's a division within the house republican conference about how to proceed with george santos. let's have a listen to what speaker mike johnson said about this earlier today. >> i said that the republican party is the rule of law team, and we are. we believe in the rule of law. there are people of good faith who make an argument both pro and con for the expulsion resolution for santos. what we've said as the leadership team is we're going to allow people to vote their conscience i think is the only appropriate thing we can do. we've not whipped the vote, and we wouldn't. i trust that people will make that decision thoughtfully and in good faith. i personally have real reservations about doing this. >> reporter: on the math of expulsion it requires a two-thirds vote in the house of representatives. that means 290 lawmakers need to vote to expel him absences pending. that means at least 77 house republicans have to vote to expel george santos. on november 1st, 24 republicans voted to expel george santos. that number will go up in the wake of a damning ethics committee report that validated much of the -- alleging fraud, filing of false statements, conspiracy. the question is will it go up by enough? and of course the best thing, chris, that george santos has going for him is that house republicans have a tiny majority. just a four-seat margin, and he's already dropping whispers all over capitol hill, hey, if you remove me, that drops to a three-seat margin. we'll find out whether the votes are there. >> matthew, we can go back to this, but since we bring up the slim majority it's worth going back to the point that santos flipped the seat by 8 points after tom swasey decided he was going to run for governor, but now he's talking about trying to get this seat again. in any case, it's already a horse race. behind the scenes people are working to see if it turns out that santos goes away, then who's going to replace him. with all the uncertainty that a special election would bring, but this is very narrow majority that the republicans have in the house, how do you see this playing out and what are the conversations you think are going on behind the scenes right now, even if there's no vote whipping going on officially? >> yeah, and i would also add a data point that this is a district that joe biden carried in 2020. it's a district that's already going to be difficult for republicans to keep even without santos who says he's not running for reelection. if you gave truth serum to the republicans and talked to them quietly and off the record, they want santos gone. they know the longer santos is part of the conversation and part of the mix is to their detriment. he's congress's version of a flimflam man. can we pause and think about him calling himself mary magdalene. that is the irony of that is so unreal, and in that analogy that he's making, if he's mary magdalene, i guess donald trump is jesus in that analogy in the course of this? and so i think most republicans, even the speaker, and i would argue that the precedent, the wrong precedent to set is not kicking him out. a guy that's been credibly accused of all sorts of fraud in all of this in the ethics report signed out by democrats and republicans, lays out a blatant scheme. the precedent of not kicking him out is worse than the precedent of kicking him out. most all republicans want george santos gone. >> sorry, i'm still getting past your analogy of mary magdalene and jesus, but we'll move on. what will happen to santos' seat? let's tell people why there is all of this maneuvering going on if he is indeed expelled. >> reporter: the first thing that would happen is george santos becomes a former congressman, and the seat is declared vacant. under new york state law, that means governor kathy hochul has ten days to issue a proclamation for a special election. that special election has to happen within 70 and 80 days of that proclamation, this is going to be a highly competitive. it's a district that voted for joe biden, a district that flipped and voted for republicans in the 2022 midterm election when democrats had a really bad year in new york city, had a little better year in other states in the country. so this could be a barometer of where things are going in the 2024 presidential election, but regardless, democrats have every intention of trying to win that seat back, further cutting that margin that republicans have, already narrow in the house of representatives, chris. >> matthew, nbc news has confirmed a person familiar with the reporting about liz cheney's new book, the reporting from cnn, that includes a take down of former speaker mccarthy who cheney says told her he knew trump lost the election, and said he lied all the time, and that the new speaker, speaker johnson, was particularly susceptible to trump's flattery, but she also writes of an unnamed colleague who she says told her that she believes that trump had committed an impeachable offense, but to vote for it would put his wife and new baby in danger. does any of that surprise you in spite of how maybe it should be shocking? >> well, you're right, it should be shocking, but it doesn't surprise me in this. i mean, what we've seen -- and i give liz cheney a bunch of credit on this. she has called out what many of us have said is the worst of all of what we have seen in the last five or six years. and donald trump is who donald trump is, and we all know what kind of threat he is to democracy and the rule of law, and all of that. and his life and the way he's led it in a fraudulent way, but really, what liz cheney says is what the biggest problem have been the enablers and the collaborators like former speaker mccarthy, and others that have allowed donald trump to sort of poison our democracy in the course of this, and that's what i think of all of the things that liz cheney lays out, which is an incredible indictment is the indictment that she has of the republican party in general, knowing what's best for the country, and going along with what's worse for the country because they're worried either about election or they want to be close to power is, i think, the most corrupt part of this. >> matthew dowd, sahil kapur, thank you very much. we'll hear from liz cheney on the rachel maddow show at 9 on msnbc. you will not want to miss that . former first lady, rosalynn carter, made her way home through the small georgia town she lived for most of her 96 years. those closest to her, including 99-year-old former president gymny carter came together for a private funeral at the maranatha baptist church. this was her son at the funeral today. >> dad got used to mom disagreeing with him because she was really good at it. and she became a partner in a true sense of the word where they had equal footing. >> rosalynn carter is set to be buried in view of the front porch of the home that she and her husband of 77 years have shared since 1961. coming up in our next hour, i'll talk to congressman jared moskowitz about the rise in anti-semitism that senate majority leader chuck schumer just called a five-alarm fire in a major address, and i'll get his response to calls from his own party about putting conditions on aid to israel. we've got a lot coming up on "chris jansing reports" right here on msnbc. jansing reports" here on msnbc. when better money habits® content first started coming out, it expanded what i could do for special olympics athletes with developmental needs. thousands of bank of america employees like scott spend countless hours volunteering to teach people how to reach their financial goals. it felt good. it felt like i could take on the whole world. 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