that category, two women and one young child. we have reason to believe that one of those americans will be released today. until we see her out safely from gaza, in the hands of the authorities and ultimately in the hands of her family, we will not be certain. >> let's get right to nbc news correspondent, eric mclaughlin, in tel aviv, erin, thank you for joining us. what more can you tell us about what's expected to happen today? >> well, we're waiting for a news, still no word on today's expected exchange. there is this new hope that an american could be among the hostages released. this of course follows last night successful exchange of 13 israeli hostages and 39 palestinians. one of the israeli hostages released is nine year emily hand, she was -- on october 7th, she had been staying at a friend -- hamas militants, stormed into gaza and initially she had been reported dead, that's what her father says he was told, that was corrected weeks later. last night, we saw, just a heartwarming reunion, father and daughter reunited. it was a union that many in the region feared might not happen last night given that earlier in the day hamas had said that there was going to be a delay, citing a litany of issues that it said it had with the agreement, israel's compliance with the agreement, one of them being hamas is perceived lack of aid, humanitarian aid, getting to northern gaza. that lasted for hours but was rectified by the help of qatari officials, as well as egyptian officials, as well as the president of the united states himself. the exchange happened, giving new hope but also underscoring just the fragility of this overall situation. i was texting with a spokesperson from the icrc earlier today, she was telling me the preparations are underway, also cautioning given how complex the situation is that anything could go wrong. >> erin, thank you for your reporting, we'll check back in a few moments. now, we turn to a big week ahead in american politics, and a brewing crisis that some of the most countries influential conservatives have to address. not a single vote has been cast in any of the 2024 primaries, but donald trump and his lackeys have already started a game plan for how they will wield power if they win a second term in the white house. here's a spoiler, this game plan promises to be even more severe and more draconian than his first term in office. all signs are pointing towards donald trump's plans to seek vengeance against his perceived political enemies and drastically overhaul the federal government as we know it. a second trump term means more extreme immigration policies that involves sweeping -- and the deportation of millions of people each year. now, in order to carry out these drastic policies, an effort is already underway to stack the federal government with trump loyalists who are all willing to carry out his orders. a major part of that effort starts with identifying and hiring lawyers who won't restrain trump from acting on his worst impulses. now, as a lawyer, i can tell you that that last point is really the crux of what these plans are all about. remember, donald trump came very very close to stealing the 2020 election, but he didn't act alone. he had help. the help he had came from experienced attorneys who pushed bogus legal theories around baseless conspiracies about election fraud on his behalf, even as they knew that these things weren't true. some of these attorneys were later criminally charged in fulton county georgia by d.a. fani willis. some have already accepted plea agreements and are now even cooperating with prosecutors. in an op-ed published last week, a trio of respected conservative lawyers, including george conway, retired federal judge michael luttig, and former congresswoman barbara comstock, called attention to this very problem in the legal profession. they write that many of their conservative colleagues appeared to have been led astray and they're alarmed by it. writing, quote, the growing crowd of drifters, frauds, and conman willing to subvert the constitution and long estaished constitutional principles for the whims of political expediency, the actions of these conservative republican lawyers are increasingly becoming the new normal. now, i've been skeptical of recent efforts to use the 14th amendment to disqualify donald trump from the ballot because even if those efforts are successful, it doesn't solve the problem. see, you are only getting rid of trump, not getting rid of trumpism. that's the root of the issue that we're dealing with right now. the movement that this is true of lawyers are proposing is one step closer in the right direction. it's an active effort that places the responsibility of defeating trumpism at the very feet of republicans. the same party that's responsible for elevating trump in the first place. joining me now, stuart stevens, a senior adviser for the lincoln project and author of the book, the conspiracy to end america five ways, my whole party is driving democracy to a top or see. also with us, my friend, reena shaw, a republican political strategist and the principal and founder of relaxed ravages. good morning, thank you both for being here. stuart, you've dedicated an entire chapter of your book to fringe legal theories and the people who helped legitimize them. what do you think they are doing to undermine our democracy? >> well, look, these are people who decided that democracy is the enemy, they're not able to win -- 85% of trump's coalition is white, a country that 60% white, becoming less so every time. the party has failed to appeal to these non-white voters in any large numbers. their answer is to curate the vote. that's really what they're doing. it's a classic move of how democracies, a classic step and how democracies slide into a top russi. these are dangerous people. they're very smart, they're competent, they're well financed, and they're absolutely convinced that they're going to win. >> reena, stewart just said the republican party has failed to reach out to non white voters. you are still someone who is forcing and moving the line forward within the gop. is there an interest in turning the corner with respect to that narrative? if so, is that one of the ways they begin to move beyond donald trump and where he's taken the republican party? >> what i found in traveling the country with younger conservatives, people who are actually more fiscally conservative and socially liberal, the more -- there is that appetite for a real republican that -- a real republican in the sense of how we talk about reagan, we talk about him in a way that almost idolized him and forgets anything that went wrong during the reagan administration or anything by the former president himself. again, these people are looking at fiscal conservatism and these candidates speak uncertain ways, like nikki haley, for example. you look at the economy around you, you look at the upward mobility we were told we'd have, like our parents. we have a two story house with a two car garage, that white picket fence, that dream is not possible for a large number of millennials like me. the state of the world has changed, of course. when we look at who's been in the white house, and i don't want to take this back to president obama, but i want to look at capitol hill during obama's time, i could draw direct line from the rot of trumpism today to the tea party movement that i saw as a young staffer when i served two republican members in the house. the tea party starts is this very almost noble organic cause. people who are frustrated with the economy largely. and then, it went off the rails. you know who's to blame, charles? it's the elders in the republican party, -- consultants who wouldn't let candidates be themselves, and largely, it's the same people who wouldn't make room on the bench for younger votes such is -- therefore, she converted herself and prostate at the altar of trump. so, it's an all of the above approach from people that needs to happen right now. in order to get to the root cause the problem. >> reena, the one thing i didn't hear, maybe we can talk fiscal conservatism, we can talk nikki haley, the tea party all we want, but the one thing i did not hear you say is that the republican party has to take some level of responsibility with respect to what they created in donald trump and how you deal with that at this point. i don't think that the gop is gonna be able to simply walk over that and present a new candidate for a new party to the public without dealing with that issue. >> how do you pivot? you have to make a hard pivot to get from there to hear. there was donald trump, the sort of harkening and really talking about the things that were in the backs of our minds, right? he spoke to these americans who were so frustrated with members of congress that just didn't serve them. h member of conthey had this anger, the visceral anger is still very much there. they feel like these members of congress are fat cats serving themselves. there's all this evidence that shows that is true. you can't get out of that lane unless you do a hard pivot. so, yes, there's a lot of people within today's gop that still bear responsibility for the monster that became trump. but i think at this point, the only way to save the party, that's why i remain and i, i believe we need two healthy parties at least in the system in order for our democracy to thrive. that's why we still remain right-of-center. am i anti trump? absolutely. and my all about working to defeat him in every way possible? yes. it's an exhausting task when you have so few people committed to that cause. >> i think it remains to be seen whether the people who claim themselves to be hard-line conservatives and adhere to conservative values can still remain under the same tent with meghan nation. we'll have to see how that works out. stuart, the op-ed, it takes particular aim at the federalist society, saying, quote, the federalist society has conspicuously declined to speak out against the constitutional another legal excesses -- white house lawyers are inventing theories to stop the peaceful transition of power and copping pleas to avoid jail time, it's clear that we have, in the legal profession, come to a crisis point, and quote. how big of an influence have they've been in helping push trumpism? the federalist society? >> the federalist society is a massive influence here. what's fascinating here from the op-ed's all three are former supporters -- but they have all been supporters of in the past. look, the federalist society began in this nice little weekend retreat in the mid 80s at yale, the future of the conservative judiciary. after that benign title, it's grown this process that's completely changed the american judiciary. those same people now have 1.6 billion dollars, given a couple years ago, the largest political contribution in american history, mostly dedicated to change how we vote. when you look at how this started, a little weekend retreat at yale, and what it ends up as now, it's hard to say the federalist society didn't win. and i think that's where we're headed now. this has got to be taken seriously. it's every level of the voting system that they are challenging from the very top to local precinct levels. and we have to realize this, this is a very serious threat to how we vote in america, donald trump, trump want to be winds in the next election, odds are it'll be the last election we can recognizes anything we've known previously in america. >> now, given that, that's a really powerful point, stewart, in terms of the threat to democracy and free and fair elections here in america. reena, we're listening to some really violent, really fiery vitriolic rhetoric from donald trump on the campaign trail. he's still, foreign away, remains the front runner for the republican nomination. what does that say in terms of your notion of a hard pivot from donald trump when he continues to do the same thing and it seems like the republican voters, at least those who are being polled, are standing in lockstep with him? >> well, charles, i've said this in many places and many ways, we ought to be careful about these polls. again, who is answering them, right? we're getting a lot of the hard right folks coming out and answering them. i think when you really take all the layers away here, with that play? it's the donor class has still backed trump up to some extent. it's also a lot of these elected officials in a lot of posts around the country, not just at the highest level, when trump knows he can continue to pray on the average voter who isn't plugged in, isn't paying attention, and really drive and drill down into their fear about the country changing, that's when he knows he winds. so, i submit to you that it's not as powerful as it looks, and therefore, it's not that we should discount what trump is out there doing and saying, it's still very dangerous, i'm extremely concerned about political violence, not just its uptick, but it's almost normalcy nowadays. what i really wish to say here is people should have hope about today's younger right leaning conservative, they have woken up, they're in tuned with a lot of what's in our system right now that's made it so bad, that made the donors of the federalist society so powerful unable to do the work they've done from the top down to the grassroots. therefore, these younger conservatives want to see it overturned, they want to see and end to gerrymandering, they want to see independent redistricting commission. they also want to see -- so their interests and their choice is represented. we need more systemic reform that younger right-leaning folks can get behind. today's republican party at large, at the top level, again, the donor class and -- continues to make it seem like that's not what we want and that's what's hurting the country the most, when the select few donors can rid the system and make it what it is, it continues to win every time, my friend. reena shaw, thank you for getting us started this morning. so much we could talk about but you've done a great job framing our conversation. still ahead on velshi, hamas is expected to release another batch of hostages today, and, u.s. officials say there is reason to believe american citizens could be among them. at least one. this as we enter the third day of a four-day pause in fighting here in tel aviv. next, on the latest. then, more than a dozen lawmakers have announced they will not seek reelection this month. this exodus is a big problem for congress already given that they're steeped in chaos. i'm charles coleman junior, we have more to talk about right next after this break on velshi. next after this break on velshi velshi >> the subway series? it's the perfect menu lineup. just give us a number, we got the rest. number three? the monster. six? the boss. 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jake sullivan, told christian walker on meet the press that it's possible that americans will be among the hostages released by hamas today. >> do you expect american hostages to be released today? >> well, kristen, the initial hostage deal involves the release of women and children and there are three americans in that category. two women, one young child. we have reason to believe that one of those americans will be released today. until we see her out, safely, from gaza, in the hands of the authorities and ultimately in the hands of her family, then we won't be certain. >> now as was the case yesterday, the situation is very fluid. the timeline of today's release remains unclear. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's office says israel has received a list of hostages that are slated for release today, and, that they have been for their families. yesterday, there was an hours long delay of the hostage prisoner exchange. hamas allege that israel did not release palestinian prisoners and their agreed upon order is part of the swamp. hamas also cited insufficient aid and violence in northern ga. eventually, it was 17 hostages, including 13 israelis, and for ty nationals, who wer transferred by the red cross to egypt. then to israel, where they were reunited with their families. last month, after the october 7th attack, nine-year-old emily hand's family thought that she had been killed. she was out asleep over and h friends where she was kidnapped by hamas. weeks later, her family was informed that she may have been abducted. and this, video released by the idf yesterday, emily is back in the arms of her father. the other grow in that video, 13-year-old -- was also reunited with her uncle. hi liz mother is still being held hostage. now, as to the other side of the deal, 39 more palestinian prisoners were freed from israeli prisons yesterday. people gathered last night to celebrate their return to the west bank despite violence continuing to spike in the west bank since the truce. palestinian health ministry says eight people have been killed in the west bank in the past 24 hours. joining me now our nbc news correspondent, erin mclaughlin. she's in tel aviv. megan fitzgerald who is in london. thank you both for being here. erin, good to have you back. after yesterday's affair, what's the mood in israel regarding today's expected hostage release? >> well i would call, it, charles hopeful apprehension. hopeful that there will be a third release of hostages for the third consecutive day. apprehension and anxiety given the volatility of the situation, especially considering the pause in the situation that we saw play out yesterday. hamas delaying the release of 13 israeli hostages, pointing to a litany of complaints. among those complaints, not enough aid had been reach in northern gaza. specifically. also violence in gaza on the day the cease-fire began around 7:50 in the morning. israeli soldiers opened fire on palestinians trying to return to their homes, killing at least one. according to a hospital official, that was listed among their grievances. also then, the order in which the palestinians had been released as part of this deal. hamas wanting the longest running, serving prisoners to be released first. they said this did not happen. it led to this multiple hours long pause that was just absolutely excruciating for the families as they were waiting for their loved ones to cross the border order into egypt. there's underscored the fragility of the situation, and the complexity of the situation. ultimately, those 13 hostages were released with the help of qatari officials, egyptians, even the president of the united states. charles. >> megan, part of the deal that we're talking about is increased humanitarian aid into gaza. the number of trucks that are expected today is around 200. what is the progress on those trucks, and can you tell our viewers what is expected to be inside of those trucks? >> well, charles, what we know at this hour, according to egyptian officials, is 120 of those humanitarian aid trucks have made their way into the enclave out of the roughly 200 that you mentioned, the 200 we've been seeing daily since the truce took effect. before, that we were seen roughly 20 to 40 humanitarian aid trucks going in. this is a significant increase, but of course, if you look at the bigger picture of a gaza received before the war began, the u.n. said some 500 trucks were entering the enclave. still, this is a welcome sight by humanitarian aid workers on the ground. what's inside these trucks, we know food, water, medical supplies. we know that fuel has been entering the enclave, along with household gas, as well. and while obviously hamas is a not enough aid has reached the north, for the first time, we are seeing aid reach in northern gaza. we also know that resources are receiving, are being received at the al-shifa hospital as evacuations there are underway. it's also important to note that there is this high ranking delegation that is entered through the egyptian side, into gaza. this is led by the minister of state for international cooperation. she is conducting this humanitarian aid mission, where she is assessing the situation on the ground. we are watching closely for her assessment. she is expected to leave later on tonight in terms of what she's seen on the ground. we do know that aid is reaching those, because this is a process that's been overseen by international aid organizations. aid organizations like the red cross, wright crescent, to the millions of people who are in desperate need, charles. >> thank you to megan and aaron for your reporting on this. we will be following the situation throughout the day. right back after a short break. i will continue this conversation with congressman gregory meeks. a queens democrat from new york city. ranking member of the foreign affairs committee. i'm charles coleman junior, you're watching 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>> good to be with you, brother coleman. >> let's start. this is day three of this four-day pause in fighting between israel and hamas. we are now hearing that an american might be among one of the hostages exchanged. for our audience who might not necessarily understand or no. why did it take three days to get to this point, of an american being released among the hostages? >> president biden has been working very hard. he has been one that has helped with the qatar, with the deal with hamas, and hamas is hamas. so they also are playing the games, they give the list of who they're going to turn over. then the israelis get who they're going to turn over. i think that they're looking at, you know, when we look at how hamas operates, the value of an american citizen said been released to has been held as a hostage, as opposed to someone else. moving back and forth. when you hold back, because this is the second phase, and we know that there could be another day in a truce in regards to releasing another individual. so i don't really trust tomas, but i think that's part of the game that they are plain. what they're looking, at how they're moving forward. i give kudos to president biden and all the work he has been doing to help the hostages to be released, and moving forward with those negotiations. >> and want to lean into the notion of president biden and his work. i want to talk in terms of looking forward, and what that actually looks like. so we are now having this four-day pause, and there are a lot of people who are us gain, why is it not possible that this four-day pause could not be the beginning of the end of this conflict, at least temporarily? where are we in terms of foreign affairs committee, in terms of what you know, the white house, in terms of trying to push that in terms of extending this. >> this could almost be over of hamas which is surrender. we forget who hamas is, and what hamas is done, and how hamas has utilized and continue to utilize the palestinian people as shields. i think there has got to be more pressure put on hamas. hamas still contends that israel does not have a right to exist. hamas still says that they will do an attack israel again. so if hamas does not want peace in the region, we should be able to galvanize individuals to have peace in the region. what i hope happens, and i know there's been some conversation that has taken place, is that israel continues to talk to saudi arabia. egypt, jordan, uae. qatar's. and talk about how they can come together. just as we talk about the united states can't do it alone, we have to have allies in this world, so israel needs to now continue to push, as we're doing with abraham accords, to have allies. to start talking about how we could transform the region. but, that can happen with hamas. >> but i've gotta push back, because you've talked about hamas, and those things are legitimate, and issues, with respect to this process going forward, but even, now we saw from sky news yesterday, and we've got reports regarding continued fighting angola when we're supposed to be on this four-day truce. so there is some conversation, at least, to be had about what's the israelis are or not doing. what does the idea of not doing that can hopefully extend this four-day pause? because it takes to. >> it does take to. what takes is hamas, they're the ones that are holding the hostages. so they're the ones who are calling the shots right now. there is no pressure put on them. there are the ones that, and initiate, they broke the pause. they broke the cease fire on the seventh. >> why do you think there's no pressure being put on them look, what we see is folks, and i am one of them also, we see innocent palestinians that are dying. they are giant. i want that to stop. i think the world wants that to stop. it's hard to see innocent palestinians dying, just as it was hard for me to see innocent israeli dying at the hands of hamas. so you want to see some kind of peace, because we are human. we don't want to see the evil side. hamas, what they've done, and how they did, it was an evil act. so now, i think that, because we were pushing shane with the and others, they're transforming the middle east for the first time. you are having other arab nations in gulf states say is your had the right to exist. that changes things in the region. if you look at previously, the war between israel, israel and egypt, or israel and jordan, what jordan said is that israel had a right to exist, those fight stop. when egypt had the right to exist, those stop the fight. that fight stopped. so now we need to push. that's the direction we're moving in. that's my belief almost but it did. it does not want peace. >> i have to sneak it one last question because what a lot of people, myself included, are concerned about, is what happens the day after. once this is finally resolved, are we coin, as a country, is the u.s. going to support and end the occupation for palestinian sovereignty? because the question, people who have been removed from gaza, they want to go home. it's going to be very difficult to do that. are we going to support palestinian sovereignty, and an end to this occupation? >> hamas, that's one reason why hamas is going to be gone. hamas could not be a part of that. we know that they don't believe israel has a right to exist. that's another reason why we have to work with their allies in the region. israel cannot occupy, in my estimation, the palestinian state. the palestinians also have to have a leader to grow up from among them, because hamas is not one that is well recognized by the palestinian people. he's not trusted by the palestinians, just as hamas isn't. there was a poll that was done that on october the 6th, with over 65% of the people thought how moss was corrupt and we also need to have a camp in the united states by itself. it can't be israel. that's why these other allies in the gulf countries become really important, so that they can then help the palestinians, and others, so they can grow, develop, and be able to live in a palestinian state. that's why i'm a firm believer in a two state solution. >> always a pleasure talking to you, love the suit. >> love yours. >> queens together, all day. that is congressman meeks joining us on velshi, on msnbc. still ahead, chaos in congress. with very little real work being done, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are opting outs. another term on the hill. now, if that happens, who is in charge of the government, and what does it mean for american politics? 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>> [silence] i think we're having issues getting aaron back. but as soon as we can, we will give you an update regarding the continued transfer of prisoners and exchange for hostages. i am charles coleman junior, still filling in for ali velshi today on velshi, and you're watching right here on msnbc. today is a day we have to talk some politics. and capitol hill is a great place to start. it has been a mess, if you have not been watching. for quite some time, but now, that mess seems to be sparking a mass exodus. so far, in just this month alone, we've seen more than a dozen lawmakers who have announced that they will not seek reelection. the we all heard of the great resignation during the pandemic, now, it appears that that great resignation is reaching capitol hill. according to ballotpedia, november has bought the most conventional retirements in any single month since 2011. if you look at what's been going on on the capitol, it shouldn't be that surprising. listen, we haven't got a lot done, they haven't gotten a lot passed, and there are more questions than answers, there's the infighting, there's been actual, physical fighting. it seems to sum that public office is just not worth that at all. i mean, i can understand, some people actually ranked campaigns in order to get elected, to pass legislation, to do work, and what they found when they got to washington was, essentially a fight club with a dress code. not to mention in today's polarized world, the outward attacks of being docked, or otherwise targeted by the public, might seem too much beyond the job description for some, i mean, think about it. you can't even go to a theater and watched beetle juice in peace without being harassed anymore. just ask house member lauren bogart, am i right? but, to those lawmakers who are giving up, the institution, and democracy, on a very, serious note, needs you now more than ever. jonathan martin, political senior, political columnist, made this point in a recent op-ed, saying, quote, the more capable people like you who leave, the more you are cosigning the fate of congress toho who have no business being there at all. you will only exacerbate the contagion that is prompting you to consider leaving. but with martin's plea for capable, the sun lawmakers to stick it out, he points out, quote, this does not apply to mr. santos of new york. you are good to go clock out. joining me now to talk about this is one of my favorite social media followers, molly -- who's a special correspondent vanity fair, and the host of the fast politics podcast, as well as dean -- msnbc daily columnist, and the host of the dean abdallah show on sirius xm. polley, dean, thank you so much for being here. so, what do you think, molly, this says about this sort of huge exodus into retirement, on behalf of different members of the house? >> the problem is that republicans have gone this perverse sentence structure, where they want to become famous. you have marjorie taylor greene's, you have lauren bogart's, you people who are not in congress to legislate. they are in congress to be famous. a great example is representative luna. these are failed actors and comedians. they are not lawyers, so i do think that you are seeing a real people who are sort of serious people, like the mitt romney's, who want to make leave office. and that's gonna be a real problem. because the whole goal, and of course the whole job, is to create legislation. and pass laws for. and these people like marjorie taylor greene are interested in that. they are interested in small dollar donations, and getting famous. >> dean, one of the people who is not seeking reelection is congressman dean phillips, of minnesota. he announced in late october that he was going to be challenging president biden in a run for president, which is, simply put, beyond a long shot. he tweeted this on social media. if it's joe biden versus donald trump, i will do everything i can to defend democracy beginning november 6th because all trump is going to win. now it's actually going to help democracy, or we just looking at the textbook notion of a spoiler candidate. >> dean phillips has no shot, and tamales point for quick second here, there are members of congress i wish would retire, so can monetarily ugly leave. can we trade them to a foreign parliament, and have some sort of trades like in sports teams, lauren bogart, please go. what is going to take. newsmax gives russia, so she leaves. this is what they're doing. they're not doing legislation, they're auditioning for newsmax, and fox news. they don't high five over legislation. they high five over a callback and whose match. and i get my own show. that is what we're dealing with. this is not a spoiler, he is running, he knows he's gonna get four 5% and, it's not gonna change. if you want defender moxie, now stand with our democratic nominee, who will be joe biden. because this election is not trump versus biden. it is trump versus democracy. it is trump versus reproductive freedom. and that fight is now, it's not november 6th, after the election, it's today, so stand with us right now in our fight to reprove our democratic republic. >> i said the era of donald trump as a kid back in 2016 introduced the notion of reality television to our lead toured. and i think when you're talking about congress, it almost feels like this is some kind of reality game show, who can tear democracy down the fastest in the circle of villains. although i joke about that, it has a very serious implication in terms of how americans perceive the effectiveness of congress, when they're not doing anything but this just seems like this contest to see who can do the most damage, while also doing the least work. molly, what are your thoughts on the overall effect that has on american's confidence, and one of our most fundamental democratic institutions? >> it's really scary and bad, and remember, this republican house had no speaker for three weeks. no one. three weeks, nothing. so nothing passed but even before that, they were naming post offices. i mean, they were not passing legislation, and in the end, they brought in a guy no one had vetted. he had this long tale of really, very right-wing, out of the mainstream writings, and then he passed a cr to kick it down the can, because he couldn't pass any of the real legislation, so i do think this undermines confidence, and remember, we are in this period right now where the american people need to see bipartisanship. they want to see that. they want to see bills being passed, and a functional government. they don't want to see craziness. >> adina, old-school atari player, i remember the game pausing. you remember that? i love peng. so in paul, you go back and forth. i feel like there has been this sort of back and forth between congress, and the public in terms of the vitriol, and the polarization of our dialogue, in terms of this sort of spilling back and forth, where it's become more and more vitriolic in the public sphere, where there are no rules. and now we're seeing congress become increasingly volatile. you people trying to fight each other. here it's just become a literal circus. which changes first in terms of turning the tide, or is the toothpaste out of the two to a point that we just can't do anything about it? i think using ponds great analogy. we, the people, are the ball being hit back and forth, left and right. and it is not about side situations when, i say left and right. it's between the extreme right, and the more extreme right. think about it. if you're a young person, you look at columnists. when i was young, i dreamed maybe one day at serving office to, help people. now, do you really want to get involved in this, unless you just one of the famous, unless you just want to get hits on cable news, or somehow get a book deal? i don't know what's gonna change. i think gerrymandering would be a big step in the right direction, because it's no longer just primary fights. if you go to the right, of the right, of the right. and it celebrates the worst behavior of all. maybe that's one big step, i would like to see that given a big money politics would be another step. >> you know, until, tamales early, point we can stop rewarding this level of polarization, and not a function, not even dysfunction, just non function, we are going to continue to have this issue, to talk all day about this dean, molly, thank you so much for an amazing conversation. we continue to follow the latest breaking news out of israel, with the idf is now saying based on information from the red cross, that 14 israeli hostages, and three foreign hostages have been transferred to the red cross. we will have a live report, after a quick break. you're watching velshi, on msnbc, i'm charles coleman junior, stay tuned. >>. ,,,. ,,,. ,,. ,,,,,,? 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