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how you doing? good to see you. for years we talked about race and history, how his people came to america by way of trinidad and mine through the slave trade. it seemed natural for him to join me. in 2017, the city council of fredericksburg took up the question of whether to remove a slave auction block that stands on the corner in the middle of downtown. >> we're about to see an auction block where people were so -- you look at the old advertisements, seven strong negroes for sale. and it wasn't just manual labor. we're talking about artisan professionals. >> yeah. >> when my uncle was young, he took a picture on the slave block, a caucasian who wanted him to take a picture. for him, it was about getting the money because he paid him. when my grandfather realized that he had stood on that block to have his picture taken, my grandfather whipped him and threw the money away and he told him what that block was and why he was never to go on that block again. that story has been with us since we were little children. this says not only did we not want you here, but we still don't want you here. >> lone black councilman pushed for a vote to remove the auction block. six white said they voted to keep it to educate future generations. i heard you say that fredericksburg may be the most historic city in america. >> if i walk down to the city hall, i walk by home of mary washington, the home my mother was in. >> and you also walk by an auction block, right? >> i do. >> what 12k7 mean in terms of the history? at some point you arrive at a place where humans were bought and sold. >> that auction block is an artifact. the very fact that you can stand where somebody was treated as property and families were separated is very moving. it is like what germany did when they kept auschwitz and all these -- like don't ever forget. you can't ever forget how horrible that was. >> a councilman proposed removing the block. >> the auction block have been on my mind for a long time since i was a kid. you know, i used to see people sit on it and some did a mock auction. that rips your soul apart. my stance was always, okay, i think that it needs to go. it came down to a vote before city council, it was 6-1. >> do you believe that there is a way to do the block in a respectful way? >> what we can do is tell a story. >> when you walk by with your children and your people, what is the message? >> a possibility your great, great grandfather was sold here. >> seems like the fght over the auction block is an issue. what is represents has a rippling effect. >> that is just america. >> the black barber shop has always been a place of community where wisdom is passed and stories traded. today is no different. what was it like growing up with that auction block right there on the corner? >> it was an embarrassment. i don't need to see that block to know what the past was. >> it made you had because i can think of my grand greatm, you bring them in on a boat and sell them. >> it is totally unfair and unreal that people can actually sit there and say that, oh, we're just saving history. no, what you are doing is spitting in our faces. that is what you are doing. just action cross the river is the chatham plantation. and you imagine the conversation that happening here, the idea that you are separated from family, torture, but the flip side the fear that you could be sold. >> yeah, can you imagine from down there, you look up here and seeing a nice big brick house, but you are not thinking that i want go there. that is like the haunted house. >> when you are an enslaved person, the only thing on the horizon is servitude or death. the union army arrived here, and for the white folks, it was terror. but thousands of black folks fled across this river to join the union army. can you imagine that moment? in fairview, kentucky, birth place of jefferson davis, the state is wrestling with telling a fuller story around the memorials including a larger than life monument dedicated to the only president of the confederacy. >> there it is. my goodness. that is huge. when you think about the conversation and debate, what role that the statues that can't be torn down, how do they factor into the debate? >> that is where we're really moving into. in the past few years, it is talking about the construction of confederate memory in kentucky. who are the groups that raise the money to populate the landscape, start to promote it, sell is it back to the south and the entire nation and sort of retelling the history of the south and civil war and recognizing that this memorial landscape is not a product of the civil war and its history is situated within a story of the jim crow south. >> during the early 20th century, groups began promoting a revisionist system. it was about painting the authority as an occupying north. and the influence would fuel generations and nostalgia for the old south. the united daughters of the confederacy starting in the 1890s, they put up at least 700 memorials to the confederacy. symbols aren't all copper and stone. for decades, descendants of veterans have connected to the past through re-enactments. jeff has been reliving the history for 25 years. he counts dozens of confederate soldiers in his family tree. >> this is a beautiful shot. >> this is a 6 pounder, model 1941. we looked it over and he said yeah, i can make those. so we thought why not. that was a hot day. >> when you are out there and you are in your uniform and you see the flags, is there a connection to the past, is that what things -- >> yeah, there is a connection to the past. if you are interested in history, it is ten times better than reading about it in a book. i guess it gives you a greater appreciation of your forebearers and the suffering they went through. >> does that appreciation dampen all the for you the fact that they were fighting for the cause, for the states of jim ceo in. >> you got to get into the mind of the 19th century mind or the 18th century mind. you have to do a lot of reading. >> library is full of reading about why people decided that it was worth fighting and own people and sell people. >> one of the topics at the time. >> that's a big topic. >> well, if you didn't own slaves, it is not such a big topic. >> do you think that factors at all in how we should view the monuments, because there is a large of population of americans who those monuments represent -- >> so do we squash it? do we rewrite history? if you don't have some type of proof, then a generation from now, you will have people arguing and it may just vanish. >> but considering that for a great number of people in this country, those things represent team trauma and great violence against people. >> but haven't we got beyond that? >> have we? >> how many people living in america today were slaves? how many people living in america today owned slaves? it is roughly zero. so we should have got beyond that. >> but we don't have our last names, our religion, this tongue. >> this is not my native language either. >> but you have great benefit. >> everybody in america has a benefit. it is the greatest country in the world. >> not everyone has benefit of slavery. >> everyone living in america today has a great benefit and great opportunity. >> people of african descent, what benefit do they get? >> they're here. >> what is amazing is you get such a sense of place. like this could be any town usa, but you are kind of surrounded with the past including mementos and monuments. >> how doyou grapple the pretty and the nice with the ugly underbelly. >> history means different things to different people. there is a lack of consideration of how this might make us as americans feel like black americans feel. there seems to be this lock on the idea that we can't deal with history. we're not talking about the true history. coming up, my conversation with the descend dent of the president of the confederacy. de president of the confederacy ere crohn's disease. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are looking up, i've got symptom relief. ♪ ♪ control of my crohn's means everything to me. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. ♪ now's the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn's with skyrizi. ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. the serrano name has always been something we're proud of. it's why we show it off on our low riders. and why we wear our name on our chains. 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[♪♪] give the gift of family heritage with ancestry. for many, heritage lives in the blood line. we reached out to the great, great grandson of jefferson davis, he is trying to reclaim his family's legacy. the night before our meeting, we excellent in the home of jefferson's brother and mentor. >> you say you are a davis descendant in mississippi, you better be ready. people are assuming that you will be a davis. somebody asked me why i don't dress up like him. >> he still holds on to artie facts from his great, great fwrand father, a book he signed, a chair he sat in. there is nor resonance with something that you own than something in a public square? >> yes, because it is handed down. this chair has reverence to me. a statue when it was put up had reverence to them. >> how do you balance or reconcile with the dual narratives around jefferson davis, one we've heard that the first and only president of the confederacy, and on the other hand 52 years of his life? >> i don't know if i reconcile him as much as i try to bring them together to have a complete understanding. that four years of his life which is 5% in total perspective, is it what we want to remember or do we want to have a complete understanding of the entire 81 years of his life. >> but that four years is a pretty big four years. >> pretty big four years because it was the most dramatic part of american history in a lot of respects. but he led that country in a position that he was appointed to, no the not one that he wan. >> he supported expansion of slavery before civil war. and he did believe that black people were inferior to white people. in your mind does that tarnish his legacy at all? >> what bothers meet most is the statements he made in reference to the slaves were his own feeling about their status. and i cannot say that i support that, but again, it is the lens of perspective of the time and the place that he lived in. it is not the most favorable aspect, but it is part of his character that we have to understand. >> i have to wonder, are you welcomed in those groups that are so staunchly pro confederate that they don't want to see anything happen to any statues, are you welcome in those spaces? >> in the pro confederate folks? i would say that i'm probably not. >> before leaving town, there is one more stop we should make if we really want to understand what keeps so many southern whites rooted to the confederacy. >> and my name is gordon cotton. just like you pick. >> and so all this fuss over the confederate statues and the flag and slavery, is it time for us to move forward? >> no, if we're going to move forward on this, we'll leave everything else out of our hisser to? are we going to be selective in what we're going to keep and what we're going to forget? >> what about this idea though that these men were fighting to maintain that system of slavery? >> that wasn't all that they were fighting for. they were fighting because our homes were invaded. the whole thing was based on money. most things are. >> going back to what happened in charlotteville, someone killed, someone shot at, does it surprise you when you see people are that virulent in their support? >> defending it, yes, i can understand that, but they are not the ones that started it. had people not wanted to tear down a beautiful monument, it wouldn't have happened. >> perhaps they should be moved to somewhere where they can be respected, not in the place of in a public display where it is doing nothing but sending a certain kind of message. >> i totally disagree with you. >> what do you think of jefferson davis? >> he's my personal hero. i think he is one of the great men in american history. >> he was someone who supported the expansion of slavery. should that tarnish his legacy? >> no, because he wasn't the only one. i think growing up in this community seven miles from prior field, going to a school named jefferson davis, they can destroy what they can, but they will never destroy the legend of the man. >> how much credence do you give to the idea that these were men of that time, what does that mean? >> certainly they were men at that time, but do we forgive them. >> having these conversations with people who are able somehow to separate ask a from slavery, and then say but they were great guys. that is hard to square. >> can you imagine this filled with people and tear gas, police on horseback? you feel a history. alabama is like such a crucial role, some of the most infamous periods of violence, but also of civil rights and progress. and so this place here plays a dual role. on one side of history because independence famed as a confederate soldier and leader. and also we associate this bridge with the fight for black civil rights. >> this whole trip we've heard people talking about history, you can't lose history. this is one of those cases where i think it kind of makes sense to me. >> in this old section, many notable citizens of selma were laid to rest such as why not william, senator pettus. >> and jefferson davis again. grand master of the klan. this monument october 7, 2000. this stands as a testament of the devotion and respect. one of the south's finest heros. up next, southern history that is not told in these monuments. horrors of slavery and lynchings. you will meet a woman whose father was a slave and erected a plaque at the place where he was murdered. murdered hi, i'm jason. i've lost 228 pounds on golo. ♪ i don't ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i'm committed to golo for life. my little family is me, aria, and jade. just the three of us girls. i never thought twice about feeding her kibble. but about two years ago, i realized she was overweight. she was always out of breath. that's when i decided to introduce the farmer's dog to her diet. it's just so fresh that she literally gets bubbles in her mouth. now she's a lot more active, she's able to join us on our adventures. and we're all able to do things as a family. ♪ get started at betterforthem.com ♪♪ they look like they were judged by their -- had their skill, their price, their complexion. >> they were a very active group. look at this, nightliest of the nightly race who sing of the day of old. i'm assuming a deathless song of southern chivalry. standing up for their way of life, their people, their home, their farm, their children. there is no tearing this thing town. this will loom here. this is not some little town square. this is the square. this is the statehouse of alabama. this is the capital. >> some memorials are easier to find than others. 20 miles from the capital, a plaque stands on the side of the highway. it marks the spot where elmore bowman was lynched. his daughter waited for him to come home. when you are black in alabama, you can't help but walk in the shadows of these huge confederate monuments. do you see a connection between the message being sent about white supremacy and what happened to your father? >> very much so. described my father's dead says enraged whites jealous about the success of a black man. if you acquire more than they think you should, they gotta put you back in your place. >> enraged. >> enraged. >> she told us she paid for her father's marker herself after the state refused to allow her to place it on public land. when you think about what you missed in life not having him -- >> my mom went from prosperity to poverty almost overnight. sometimes i wondered what my life could have been had he lived. what my life could have been. >> elmore's name was included among the thousands of lynching victims at the national memorial for peace and justice. the memorial director hopes the collected names will help change the narrative of a country still grappling with how to tell its own story. >> when i moved to montgomery, this was a city that had 59 markers and monuments to the con confederacy. they denied this part of the history. this site is intended to be an intentional response to the silence. >> we talked to folks about what the confederacy stood for and the monuments. they say black people owned slaved, too. there were white slaves. >> there were many reasons beyond slavery for the civil war. these are designed to de-racialize what happened. they are aberrations. we allowed that to happen because we were fighting these other struggles. this site is designed to help people understand that you can't ignore this any longer. you see one county with one name and one county with two names. then you see a county like this with over a dozen names. >> do you have any dodge county, georgia? >> we do. >> any great grandfather in dodge county, georgia. there were issue with white men. they owed money around the end of the year. sent his son into town. they shot him, put him on a horse and sent him back. we have the death certificate that says, age 12. cause of death, gunshot wounds. >> people who engaged in these terror lynchings could have buried the bodies, could have tried to hide the violence, which is what you would imagine people would do. they did the opposite. they were actually proud to engage in this kind of racial terror. that's why hanging was so common. the idea was to taunt and to terrorize and to torment african americans. that's why you have to think about this as terrorism. there are thousands who get killed, but there are millions who are victimized. seven black people lynched in screamer alabama for drinking from a white man's well. dozens in louisiana, because they were protesting their low wages. >> am i crazy for when i read these things, i'm scared, because sometimes i feel like this could have been last week. >> it could have been. >> one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. it weighs on you. >> there's so many more. i know from my family's story what happened. he is not here. >> of course. there's so much more. >> some say these monuments are about heritage and heroes. if anything, they are also reminders of america's unsettled war with itself. i started looking for light and understanding. to examine what the monuments mean to those who honor them. it was never really about the monuments. the large looming stone facades, or the grotesque stumbling blocks, or what lives inside the men whose grip on history has been shaped by the myths they hold at truths. if anything, it was about a reckoning and a time of american terror. i'm not sure where we go from here. the road through history is long and winding, with markers along the way. having triplets is... -amazing -expensive. so, we switched to the bargain detergent, but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back with tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide. before my doctor and i chose breztri for my copd, i had bad days, (cough, cough) flare-ups that could permanently damage my lungs. with breztri, things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing. starting within 5 minutes, i noticed my lung function improved. it helped improve my symptoms, and breztri was even proven to reduce flare-ups, including those that could send me to the hospital. so now i look forward to more good days. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. can't afford your medication? 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