2024 election, and all the thanksgiving dinner our panel brings to the facts on these stories you will be talking about all weekend as the 11th hour gets underway on this wednesday night. good evening once again. i'm stephanie ruhle. the deal for us hostage release has brought hope but now new worries to families of those kidnapped by hamas. many of those families were anticipating reunions with their loved ones after initial reports suggested at least some hostages could be freed as early as tomorrow morning. but late today israel's government said there will be no release before friday. my colleague here simmons has all the details. >> tonight a delay for a long negotiated break. the hostage release including three americans and potentially many children will not happen before friday. three year old abigail idan may be among them. her parents were killed. >> our admissions are going a little crazy because it feel like we're closer. >> today despite -- agreed to finally details of 50 hostages to be freed over four days, the aim to receive 100 hostages, officials, say and 300 palestinian prisoners, teenagers and, women some jailed for minor offensives, others for attempted murder. a day of frantic phone calls for families like the families of this course to appear in a hostage video, hoping that their nightmare will soon be over. >> we are waiting to see who will come back home. >> prime minister netanyahu had hailed the deal. he said included -- red cross to the other abductees. vowing a short pause but would not end the war. while hamas today releasing another video of fierce fighting, truckloads of aid are planned, but today there was no into the civilian suffering. they are massacring us before the truce that this man says. >> meanwhile, pope francis heard directly from both palestinian families living through the fighting in gaza and israeli families who loved ones are being held by hamas. my colleague anne thompson has more from rome. >> and his private residence, pope francis met separately with families of israeli hostages and palestinians with relatives in gaza. american rachael goldberg's 23 year old son hersh was captured october 7th. a number of days he's been gone taped to her chest. >> i actually said to him, my heart was taken 47 days ago and i will wear the number on my heart until my heart comes back. >> she brought her picture of hersh and show the pulp video of his capture. his lower left arm blown off by a grenade. how did the pope react to that? >> he put his hand on his heart and he spoke in a tally in and said his heart is with me. >> rachel and her husband jon poland says today's hostage agreement gives them hope even if their son isn't freed, because the red cross will finally be allowed to see him. the palestinians say the pope listen to them about their plight. >> he can ask for an immediate cease fire but, this is not what the only thing that we ask for. we ask him to use his power for more just and long lasting peace. >> as we wait for humanitarian pause to begin, we should know that so far just five, only five of the more than 200 hostages have been freed. first i wanna turn to nbc news correspondent david noriega, live in tel aviv. david, help us understand. do we know any more details about why specifically this deal has been delayed? >> stephanie, unfortunately we don't. all we know is that it has been delayed. from what we know, the actual core elements of that agreement, the exchange of 50 israeli hostages 450 palestinian prisoners to begin possibly leading to more, as far as we know those parts of the agreement still stand. still, the fact of the timing of this agreement which people it israel respecting to begin to take place just four hours from now, where i'm standing, the fact that that has been thrown into uncertainty had you acted a degree of uncertainty into what was already a very high anxiety situation. people here understand that this is a very fragile agreement. it's a high wire act. it could collapse in a moment. there is a lot of hope that it will still happen, but what he's been an agonizing wait for the families of these hostages it's gonna be prolonged and we don't know how much. >> have we heard from the israeli government anything around how the hostages will be released? >> yeah, what we know is that we, we've gotten some details on the protocol for the release. it will involve the red cross. the hostages will be transferred to request and then transferred to idf custody. and there are six hospitals inside of israel they're already prepared to receive the freeze hot freed hostages. these will mostly be women and children. the priority is caring for their mental and physical health, ensuring they are okay and is terry not many people arrived to see them except for the closest family and any other people the hostages themselves request to see. also a lot of these hostages are children. so there's a lot of delicate consideration around how these children will be treated. the israeli ministry of welfare released very detail protocols for soldiers and health care workers receiving these children, saying, for example, don't pressure these children to do anything such as take a shower. allow them to if they want to. but otherwise don't put any pressure on them to do. so it's gonna be very delicate in these details are still coming in. but people are still very on and waiting to find out where whether this is gonna happen at all. >> david noriega, thank you for joining us. now let's bring in our lead off panel tonight, some of my favorites are here. my dear friend john allen, senior national policy reporter for nbc. peter baker, father of the, oh husband of susan, white house correspondent for the new york times, and his first visit to the 11th hour, george washington and lee university's elite school. so your theo is here and the audience tonight so on the let you go first. you better impressed. why do you think digital they? >> the law detail that go into something like this. you are trying to if effective effectuate the freeing of one-sided prisoners on the other side into it between two parties that are still at war with each other. it's easy to imagine logistics being enough to delay by a day. but if you are on the ground, if you're one of the hostage families, what you're worried about is that it could signal more than that. it signals and things that could be coming apart of the seams. that's the worry. hamas doesn't always live up to its agreements. even if it did you have other groups in the palestinian, in gaza, that are not necessarily subscribing to their leadership that might do something that would upset the apple cart. you could see the whole thing unraveling rather quickly. that is why everybody is on tenterhooks right. now >> to the positive, ned, do you think there's a chance that the delay is a sign of something bigger? >> i think that the delay is a sign that there is, as peter said, no trust between these parties. as far as the details that come out the delay is due to amassed not having signed off officially on protocol of how it would happen and not having shared some details in the list of hostages who will be released. every single detail that is possible to get control and beware of is necessary for these parties to go ahead with. >> new, the families of these hostages have been suffering an unimaginable suffering for the past, what, 41 days, and they have worked so hard to keep their family stories front and center. what less the feeling be like today when they learned this a delay? >> i think it's hard for any of us to imagine. it's 48 days now, and we have seen in the israeli media many interviews have kept the story front and center and have gone internationally marched through the country, arriving in jerusalem and protesting just this week. there are a lot of tensions. this is a partial deal. only less than a quarter of hostages are slated to be released. still no one knows who's going to be released. in the media interviewers asked, other tensions between you, they ask families of hostages. people try very hard to say will be happy for everyone who is released, but you can't imagine the tension of not knowing up to this point whether or not your child, your wife, your son, your father is going to be freed. >> alive or dead. john, president biden spoke to benjamin netanyahu today, two leaders of egypt, and qatar. what does egypt say? >> i think they're trying to be as circumspect as possible about the possibility that it could be problematic. they obviously have done some briefing around town to talk to reporters about what they might expect. but they don't want to blow this thing off for, just the reasons that peter in and we're talking about. once they come to an agreement, an agreement in principle, all the logistics have to be working that worked out. lisa 300 prisoners in israel to get 50 hostages who may be in different levels of health and strength. there's a lot there has to be worked out. i think they're hopeful, they would love to be able to claim victory here, make it look like there's something approximating piece for the hard left with calling for a cease-fire to have a pause, they think that's politically helpful to them. but i think they are also aware that these things can dissolve very quickly. and there's no trust between the united states of hamas, much like there's no trust between hamas and israel. and so we talk about these other countries that are intermediaries. people wonder, why is this country talking to hamas? the united states and israel can't negotiate with a terrorist group without an emmy in an intermediary. >> we heard e.d. earlier from a key biden adviser who worked on the hostage deal. i want to share a bit of that. >> we recognize very early the only way, the only real tick way to get a humanitarian pause in place, and we support humanitarian pauses, is you vehement to bring the hostages home. there is a number of very difficult intensive conversations between the president and other leaders that helped get this done. this was originally negotiated deal. the terms of this deal really could not have been achieved a month ago. >> your colleagues at the times and reported on this secret cell of biden advisers. how important are those advisors? how important is the u.s. to nailing this agreement? >> that's one of the senior right now, rutland, kirk without telling the rest of the government that gets relatively secret, even within the biden administration, to keep from getting out what details they were given. he was on the phone almost every day with the head of qatar, the intermediary of a mass. points along way where it almost came apart, at one point they thought they had a deal and then some of the communications with gaza went dark. remember when these really strikes were apparently having some sort of impact on the communications and hamas wasn't able to communicate. we came back online they said no, the deal is off. so you had all of these tense moments along the way as john politely pointed out, they don't trust each other, they don't have a working relationship in that sense at a moment of great violence and anger and tragedy. so we required the americans to be the arbiters of this. i think that doing what they -- what they hope is the first stage of a multi staged process. get these 50 out, and more to come. the 240 total. that's what they like to get out. >> john, how do you believe joe biden sees his role in trying to resolve this conflict, this idea to bring peace to the middle east? even within his own democratic party, there are factions who want very different things. >> it's politically complete disaster for the biden administration. >> for everyone. for anyone in the white house. >> certainly for every democrat in the. white house the republicans are unified on. this the democrats are divided on it. for biden what he's been trying to do the entire time, in this is not solely religion politics. in this case the politics of the policy is that he's trying to keep a lid on what could become a broader where the middle east, which still could become a broader war in the middle east. you try to keep a lid on his own party. the best way to do that is to resolve this as quickly as possible. so they're trying to do that. i'm also hearing they are moving from a place of just crisis to just trying to see if they could turn a crisis into an opportunity to try to move forward. i would say this with skepticism, that they're gonna be able to do it. but when you hear the rhetoric, what they're saying is they would like to see something that turns into a broader deal. again -- >> we're threatens the expert in the region. do you actually believe that the biden administration or anyone could turn this crisis into an opportunity? you have spent years in the region. do you see reasonably, not idealistically, any reasonable idea of peace in the middle east at this point? what would that even look like? >> not in the immediate term. but depends on the steps the biden administration takes and whether concurrence the israeli government to take certain steps it will be crucial in determining whether this happens again in five years or in ten years for weather in five years we are looking at the beginning of a different direction. this is the worst crisis that has happened between israel and hamas and it's really the worst crisis in the israeli palestinian conflict since probably 1948, since the foundation of israel. but we have the fifth or sixth round of hostilities, major hostilities, between israel and hamas since hamas seized control of the gaza strip in 2007. so this is something that has happened every few years. the biggest question, diplomatically speaking, politically speaking, is at the end of the war, is this just another round in that ongoing conflict, or is this really going to change the situation in gaza and the situation between israel and the palestinians? it is not going to be peace, certainly, at the end of this. but again, the steps that are taken, the governance that is established in gaza after the war will be crucial in determining whether that becomes more possible. >> and what do you think it will look like? let's say israel is successful in leveling gaza while at the same time trying to be mindful of all the palestinians there? let's say gases level levels, what happens from there? >> it's important to be clear. i don't think leveling gaza is the goal, as the stated goal is to remove hamas is a mentality threat. >> it's not a goal but it seems like it's approaching to be the consequence. >> it's certainly the destruction in north gaza right now is enormous. but i think the goal is to remove hamas from power as the governing authority in gaza and to remove the gaza as a military threat. if israel is successful, and there's no guarantee that that will be the case, the whole conversation about the day after that is very big conversation popping up more and more even in israel, which is a current leaders would like to say that conversation for sometime later. and you know the options that are being raised our israeli occupation, the occupation of gaza, the somehow international force, made up of arab states that have police for relations with israel and the yuan, or the palestinian authority. the term they're using for it right now is revitalized palestinian authority because there's a recognition that the palestinian authority currently is widely seen as corrupt, is not popular with its own people, and would only be seen as an effective framework for governing if it were to walk in tomorrow. >> peter if this deal happens, what does it mean for the palestinians trapped in gaza? >> pauses for four days. it's not that much on the front and. i think they hope it gets extended. we have ten hostages per day in the first tranche and then ten, then another time becomes six days. you talked about the last date on your show. >> thank you very much. >> and the idea i think in the administration they will say it out loud quite this way, but i think their hope is that at some point down the road, maybe this leads to a sensation that goes beyond human hostages, that is reminded side that they have accomplished enough, and they don't even necessarily continue to go as far as they want to go. we want to go to so gaza, for instance in the administration so they don't like that idea. that's where a lot of people are taking shelter. so i think that their hope is that maybe we get into a new phase with this pause and then it becomes a little more sustained but we don't know what that's going to be the case. netanyahu doesn't want to be a case. that was the problem with the war cabinet. didn't want it to be the case either. they want to lose sight of their goal of destroying hamas just to get the hostages out. but they're sort of an inexorable momentum at that point. that's the fear. >> jon, we keep reading these headlines to given biden's position he had lost some support, and you are referencing it a moment ago, from some democrats. but given that the parties divided on this, it was going to lose some no matter what position he took. >> i think that's right. the reason i said originally that this was a political crisis for biden, just let it happen, it's not a huge advantage for him. he's got to try to control what the problem is. yeah, he had, i think, a place where he risk losing on either side. i think what he risks now is having to come out firmly on one side and potentially retreating and potentially angering both sides and really getting them in a place where they can trust each other. they are watching each other. the hard left as watching moderate democrats, saying i don't trust this because there is a democratic party makes me feel like god not a democrat. the -- pro israel democrats are looking at the far left and saying even though i like what joe biden is doing, i don't know if i can be part of the party because of what the folks on the hard left to say. so for biden, resolving this quickly is the best policy for what goes on in the middle east. but -- >> in terms of politics, you just mentioned, the hard left democrats were looking at the moderate democrats, the moderates are looking at the hard left. are either one of them looking across the aisle and republicans and saying what do we need to do? because a year for now, what we need more than anything is to make sure joe biden is in the oval office. i know i'm being terribly practical. >> right now the passions are so high on this issue, on both sides, they are only doing that. there's a republican primary going on, people say donald trump could be the nominee, most republicans think that. by the time don trump has been out there for a long time the white house hopes and it is perhaps true that the democrats will start to focus on him rather than with aca shortcomings of biden or shortcomings within their own party from each of the sites. for the moment the passions are high. they're looking internally and they're saying why isn't that somebody who i've been allied with on several things sees this so differently than i do? why is it that they can feel the pain that i do in seeing my side or the people like her most about dying, being taken hostage, losing their homes? it's something that, again, the people are passionate about it because it hurts. it really matters to them. i don't think it's eagerly irreconcilable. >> before we go, ned, you are the expert in this region, what do you think is one thing that the average person doesn't understand? of all of us sitting here, we definitely consume media and were frustrated by something. but we need to know? >> i think some of the things that, you, know there might be a disconnect. we all want the suffering to stop. we want the war to and in many ways here because of the pain, because of the divisions, but over there it's talked about in very different ways. and in israel is a very wide consensus that the war needs to continue because the attacks that hamas launched on october 7th was simply such a massive scale compared to anything that it is done before. and also because actors like hezbollah and iran are watching closely and have a long term strategy of trying to render israel incapable of defending itself and standing up to these attacks. for those reasons there's very broad consensus in israel that the war is not over. people absolutely want to get out all of the hostages. and there is wide support for this agreement. but i do think that even with whatever momentum, and again, with all of the important humanitarian aid, and hopefully someone can, hopefully people can do things to create better conditions for the palestinians in gaza and perhaps to change strategies so that the continuation of the war is not as lethal for palestinian civilians, but in any case i don't see any voices in israel calling for an end to the war until hamas is effectively disabled. >> all right. thank you so much. peter baker, jon allen, ned lazarus, when we come back to the economy, this thanksgiving we have got you covered. brendan buck, charlie dent, victoria defrancesco soto photo, will be down the toughest topics. and later, a deadly explosion in the canadian border. we're going to tell you actually what happened, and concerns ahead of tomorrow's festivities. 11th hour just getting underway on a wednesday night. on a wednesday night on a wednesday night >> she runs and plays like a puppy again. his #2s are perfect! he's a brand new dog, all in less than a year. when people switch their dog's food from kibble to the farmer's dog, they often say that it feels like magic. but there's no magic involved. 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even in the republican primaries. and we heard from pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, who said he things voters just have trump brain fog and that's gonna clear up closer to election. what do you think about that? >> that's a yes and an answer to that, stephanie. yes, we need to remind voters of what a trump 2024 reality would look like, with the future of democracy might or might not be in the united states. but at the same time president biden needs to go on the offense. he needs to sell what he has done. he needs to go on the offense in particular on the issue of the border. because we've already seen donald trump starting to rev up that engine and we know that it is as play very well with his base, with republicans. so president biden has to have a very clear offensive strategy. just keep pointing to the fact that donald trump just wants to deport everyone. but then in terms of things that he can't control, there is the issue of foreign policy. president biden needs to control the controllable's, its domestic agenda, and just keep working in trying to negotiate peace so that israel and hamas can come to a more peaceful conclusion. >> brandon, people keep saying biden needs to remind voters of who trump is. but everybody knows who trump is. he hasn't left the scene. he hasn't stopped talking. >> usually a year out you have bad polling and you would say our opponent are polling isn't defined yet, but people have heard this in are still choosing him over joe biden. that should be very concerning for them. however, they have i think taken things off the table that they need to reconsider. obviously, the legal troubles that donald trump has had. the white house has basically said hands off. i understand they don't want to look like they're politicizing his legal issues, but at some point you need to take gloves off against this guy and realize the threat that he is. i do think there is something due to the fact that he has been a little bit we haven't been reminded of him as much. donald trump is probably the biggest turnout driver the democrats can hope for. but the need to realize that they can't coast through this. biden's not gonna win this with his infrastructure program. talking about your winds, you don't get rewarded like that in politics. >> but isn't that insane? infrastructure, roads, bridges, better faster wi-fi, would actually make peoples lives better and stronger. isn't that what we want from our elected officials? isn't that where we want our tax dollars to go? >> i don't disagree, but what animates people, was structured on trump in the threat to democracy? elections are animating people and drying them out to vote. i think donald trump and the appeal and the threat that he poses to a lot of people is probably much more animating than roads and bridges in your neighborhood. >> charlie, beyond donald trump's ride or die base, what is it that he is offering people? i want to know what we're gonna hear at the thanksgiving table tomorrow because i don't offer any coach in policies and for anyone who even says well, i had more money in my pocket during the trump years, we weren't coming out of a pandemic and we weren't facing now two wars. >> well, with donald trump you're really not gonna get any conversation about public policy. that's not what he's at about. he's about anger and grief. enes grievance. and that's trump's appeal. that's why they're loyal to him. he's fighting this culture war. which i happen to find reprehensible, but it has real residents with much of our country. so donald trump, again, he's in a policy free zone. i obtain for a long safer long time the republican parties also split up. there's the governing pragmatic institutional wing of the party which is much smaller than the ascendant populist wing. it's what trump is doing. it's gonna be another campaign going forward where there's not gonna be a whole lot of discussion about policy, and you pointed out earlier, if i were the democrats i would keep reminding them about donald trump, the voters anyway, because the voters, a lot of them, see trump as an animating force. as brendan buck has just said, they're not gonna turn out because they love joe biden so much. they really don't like it that much. they're not enthused by him. >> hold on, charlie. i'm not gonna turn out for joe biden? this last week, a week ago look at people didn't ohio. look at people live in georgia. the year before that big red wave and all those candidates don trump endorsed, they didn't win. so this narrative that joe biden doesn't excite people, i don't know, he became the president. and then he had to really strong midterms. so on what ground did you say that? >> on the grounds that in ohio the issue was abortion. it wasn't joe biden. that's what drove them out. in the 2020 election people were voting against trump. this was a vote against trump more than it was a vote for joe biden. it was pretty clear. we saw the same thing in 2016, two candidates who were not well liked, and trump at that time warned the double haters, biden won the double haters in 2020 with people who dislike both biden and trump. who knows what it's going to look like in 2024? so right now, like i said, biden is not motivating his base. they're not enthusiastic about him. they are angry about trump. if i were the democrats, i would keep pounding away on trump as much as possible, and abortion, because that's what's motivating their base. >> victoria, in theory voters like their lawmakers to do something. they like their tax dollars to give them something. mike johnson spends his monday fall lying down to mar-a-lago to see don't. of donald trump doesn't want to see congress get anything done. how does mike johnson, as the speaker of the house, winning over trump, staying trump's good graces, help the american people? help your family in mine? we're gonna be talking about what their lawmakers are doing for them tomorrow. >> it doesn't help the american people, but it helps the speaker himself. this might be a good short term strategy, but it's not a good long term or even medium strategy. we are looking at the map in terms of 2024 for the house, and it is leaning more and more blue. we are seeing a number of races, i think it was 18 at last count, where there is a republican in the seat where joe biden won that area. so we know going into this election that democrats already have an advantage. we also know that in terms of some of the district being cases that have come out, democrats are again getting an advantage. and the american public is frustrated. they are frustrated at the shenanigans we have seen and they want to do. something this is not going to bode well for the 2024. maybe for the short term it works, but not the long. >> frustrated about things like gun safety that poll overwhelmingly in one direction that we do so little. all right, this team is sticking around. when we come back, this scene is gonna help us get smarter for the table tomorrow, when the 11th hour continues. tomorrow, when the 11th hour continues. >> >> our thanksgiving eve panel is still with, his brendan buck, charlie dent, victoria defrancesco soto. victoria, i want to ask you this first. judge aileen cannon down in florida, with all of it is facing, is given trump all that he's facing, another delay. are all these motions and delays a reason for the american people to tune out of these very serious charges against trump? >> the delay, in addition to just the sheer number of legal issues the donald trump has been dealing with, so yes. we are dealing with clatter in our lives in terms of all of the information we are processing. and this is just another bit. in time it is what donald trump wants. he wants to slow roll this. he wants to get as close to the election, hopefully passed the election, hopefully win the election, so he can put all of these legal troubles behind. and look, we know our legal system works slowly. it is a deliberative system. that is a good thing. but in this case, when you don't want time to turn so slowly, this is not good for the american public. >> brendan, for all these people who say donald trump is a threat to our democracy, for whatever reason i'm not sure about joe biden, maybe we need a third party candidate. what is the argument for that? what is the policy argument? >> there isn't one if you actually look at polling and what that would do. obviously people don't like either candidate, or that's what polling shows. these are probably the least to popular general election candidates coming together that we have had in a long time. but poll after poll shows that this is only a gift to don trump, to have a third party candidate. the reality is there a lot of people who are unsure about, democrats were unsure about joe biden, but they're never gonna cross over involved on trump. on the fifth side there are republican voters, myself included, who would never vote for donald trump. and so if you had a third party, you're taking votes away from joe biden. you're giving them a convenient person to vote for, and joe manchin is somebody will say i'm not gonna vote for joe manchin so i don't have to vote for the democrat. i don't have to hold my nose and vote for a democrat. those take votes away from joe biden. it's all a gift to donald trump. i think joe manchin and other people flirting with this might realize what's going on here. but i don't think enough people have focused on what the actual outcome. a third party help storm. trump the vote wall people who voted for the lawmakers and who they worked, for who is their candidate? >> well, let me just, say i have a slightly different take than brandon does on the third-party situation. i think it is too soon to say, who that third party candidate will be, assuming we are talking about the no labels movement to gain ballot access. >> okay, then what is that person's name? who is that person that would be compelling? >> let me just say this, the third party movement, that ship has sailed. we have robert kennedy junior running as an independent candidate. we have -- kennedy perhaps drawing from both sides, a conspiracy theorist, cornell west more likely to draw from biden the left wing of the democratic party. but there are a lot of voters like me as you point out, i did not vote for trump either 16 or, 20 i voted for joe biden in 2020. i did it thinking that he would normalize things, which he did, but at the same time he also said he was going to pass the torch onto the next generation of democratic leadership. and his message, was he was going to be a one term or. so people like me are looking for someone else. maybe you can have a sununu mansion, ticket or a larry hogan, or some other democrat. i don't know what that ticket would look like. but the political marketplace wants something new. two thirds of voters think one candidate is too old, joe biden is -- demanding something new. the ground so fertile -- i'm not saying -- i could see a lot of republicans wanting to vote for a more moderate republican who will never vote for a democrat. that could help biden potentially on things like, texas or maybe in kansas. so we just simply do not know. if i weather too much at parties, i would look very carefully at the candidates they are about to nominate. this could change if the party is just stay publicly what they are saying privately, saying biden is too, old and -- is just too crazy. >> and if someone says that the thanksgiving table, tomorrow you might want to remind them that joe biden and donald trump are two and a half years apart. we are not talking about 81 versus 50, won the argument that he's just too old, you could make if he was running against nikki haley. one thing people do avoid talking about, our culture war issues. they know they are hot button issues, they are fertile for people to battle over, and if we avoid talking about a lot of this culture war stuff that is ripe with conspiracy theories, aren't we just fueling it by not setting the record straight? >> we have to talk about this. we have to talk about it at our dinner tables, stephanie, we have to talk about it in our costumes. we have to talk about it in our communities. this is something that i am very passionate about, learning how to have civil discourse, dialogue, it is not fun, it is not easy, but it is critical to who we are as a democracy. if we retreat into our bubbles, we end up with what we have right now. we and up with a democracy being in peril. so you know, what do not be -- talk about politics. the religion i will leave opted people, but talk about, politics, engage engage in head on. engage in a spirit of curiosity, and wanting to find a commonality and is something you can agree on. >> do you agree? >> maybe after dinner. around the fireplace. >> all right then, brendan says post dinner. thank you all so much. when we come back, a story lots of people are talking about today, we are going to tell you the truth.lly happened. security ramping up from travel parades, trying to k americans safe this thanksgiving, we will talk about a crazy unfortunate situation that happened on the canadian border earlier today when the 11th hour continues. like 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more, so sam can make smart ideas, a brilliant reality! chase for business. make more of what's yours. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis takes you off course. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me down... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc caused damage rinvoq came through by visibly repairing my colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief... lasting steroid-free remission... ...and the chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check, check, and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc in check and keep it there with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq and learn how abbvie can help you save. this isn't charmin! no wonder i don't feel as clean. hurry up dad! i'm trying! this cheap stuff is too thin! here's charmin ultra strong! ahhh! my bottom's been saved! woohoo! with its diamond weave texture, charmin ultra strong cleans better with fewer sheets and less effort. what's everybody waiting for? 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