capitol hill, -- the first rule of the d.c. fight club is talking way too much about this d.c. fight club. we'll dive into the political theater turned physical, and what's really happening on the hill. plus, trump trial timeline, judge in the mar-a-lago classified documents trial appears to throw a legal lifeline to the twice impeached, four-time indicted, disgraced one term ex president. pressure sign a least one of trump's criminal trials will be delayed until after the 2024 presidential election. and the santos aga. scathing ethics reports revealed a controversial republican congressman, who can't pay money on botox, luxury items, and only vance. all this and more, coming up. >> good saturday morning to you all, i'm katie phang. we begin today's show in washington, d.c., where despite republican dissension, lawmakers narrowly avoided a government shutdown. again, and for now. thursday night, president biden signed the funding bill passed by both the house and the senate, with just a day to spare before the deadline. new house speaker mike johnson's so-called laddered continuing resolution, also called a senior, only cleared the house with the help of democrats. it had even less gop support than the cr that was passed it by hispredecessor kevin mccarthy back in september. now, lawmakers are facing to funding deadlines at the beginning of the new year, with departments like transportation, housing, and energy. january 19th and others funded only through january 2nd. johnson is hoping he bought time for hou republicans to pass individual appropriation bills, but instead, he decided to start the thanksgiving recess early, after a group of hard-line republicans take a procedural vote for an appropriations bill. and with tensions running high this week among republicans, name-calling and alleged elbow to the kidney, and a near brawl during a hearing, republicans may need a timeout. meanwhile, the chair of the use ethics committee on friday filed a motion to expel new york republican congressman george santos. this move comes in the wake of the committee's scathing report alleging santos used campaign cash to pay for everything from botox, to luxury spending speech is, and even on items on the adult oriented platform only vance. joining me now, nbc news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin. julie, it's always so good to see you, and thanks for getting us started. republicans, able to delay the next round of the funding fight into the new year, with this latest laddered stopgap bill. speaking frankly, what's the road ahead looking like to actually fund the government for the year? >> a really really rocky and bumpy road lies ahead, but as we've seen in years past, congress likes to kick the can down the road, and that's exactly what speaker johnson did here. the problem for him, though, in my conversations with some of those hard-liners, the hard right conservatives as part of the house freedom caucus, they actually said that they're going to take johnson at his word. that this is the last short term extension of funding that he will authorize. meaning, johnson plans he hopes at least, to be able to pass individual spending bills before that january 19th deadline, that funds about half of government agencies, with the other half running out of money february 2nd. that's going to be a long and winding road, because again, democrats control the senate. the ruling on opposite pages from the house. what republicans want in the house is steep spending cuts, that's not going to fly with democrats in the senate. you also have to remember, they have those national security priorities. funding to ukraine, funding to israel, humanitarian assistance for gaza, the indo-pacific region, and border security. johnson already said he wants ukraine tied to border security. i'm told by sources that they'd have to get that done before the new year starts, or it could be a lot harder for them to pass that package come january. >> and julie, some of the other big news on capitol hill on friday. congressman george santos announcing he's not going to run for reelection, following that blistering house ethics report that was released this week. but could he leave the house even sooner than we think? >> he certainly could. that's because we already have a resolution that was filed, as you mentioned, by the republican chair of the ethics committee, to expel him. to kick him out of congress. you remember there was an effort a couple of weeks ago by george santos's own new york republican colleagues. they wanted to kick him out, they wanted to oust him, because this is such a competitive seat in part. if he leaves, that gives them more opportunity to try to keep a republican in there. but given all of this, we did hear from speaker johnson yesterday. his office releasing a atement that is a different than the tone we heard from him before. i'm gonna read you part of it, you see on your screen. he said, quote, the speaker of reviewed thrert and it's very troubling findings. he then gave members an opening to vote esstially to oust him. he said speaker johnson encourages all involved to consider the best interests of the institution as this matter is addressed for their. this is notable, because beforehand, johnson had said santos deserves due process, we saw a lot of republicans actually vote to save santos in the beginning of november. since this report came out, we already heard from more than a dozen republicans who said because of these troubling findings, they will vote to kick him out. and we could see that vote happen as soon as right after thanksgiving. >> and you see news capitol hill correspondent julie tsirkin, as always, it's nice to see you and thanks. joining me now for more on this conversation, north carolina congresswoman deborah ross, a member of the house ethics committee, and house judiciary committee. thanks for joining the show. it is a laundry list of some pretty agree just campaign spending. but let me be clear, campaign money spent personally by congressman santos. you just heard julie tsirkin, congresswoman, talk about the fact that there was support from the gop, but do you think we're actually at that breaking point now where the gop may say, you know what, enough is enough. >> first of all, thank you for having me on this morning. and i want to be very clear. the house ethics committee did a thorough, bipartisan investigation, and it was a unanimous decision to release this information publicly, so that the house could move forward. and as we've seen the chair, the republican chair of the ethics committee, has already taken action. so enough is enough with george santos. he has gotten his due process, he did not comply fully with the ethics committee, and now it's time for a reckoning. he has been without any remorse, and uncooperative, and he is simply unfit to serve in the house. and it reflects so poorlyon our institution. >> let's be clear, congresswoman, not only did the ethics committee condemn this bipartisan investigation, which issued a 50 something-page report, but within the report i read that there's been referrals made to the doj. is that something that is the standard, or happens typically by the ethics committee? >> yes, it is. and in fact, the doj asked the ethics committee not to investigate several things, where they already had been interviewing witnesses. so if the ethics committee can find its investigation primarily two things under the purview of the house. campaign finance issues, whether or not reports are filed, and so remember, this scathing report is only limited to a few of the things that mr. santos has done. and so we felt an obligation to share with the doj information that might be helpful in their criminal investigation. >> congresswoman, i think more importantly is the ability to avert a government shutdown, which you voted to do in terms of how speaker johnson's lettered continuing resolution, this idea that you would stagger funding into early 2024, it took the support of democrats like you to be able to get this bill across the finish line. but what are your concerns about actually getting some more permanent funding, to make sure that we keep hitting these government shutdown deadlines every few months? >> let's be clear, it's taken the democrats to avert a shutdown twice, and to raise the debt limit so that we can pay our past debts. the gop is simply unwilling to be able to do that, with a majority of its members. i am very concerned, especially because the republicans haven't been able to get enough votes for their own spending bills on the house floor. they've been polled, there have been ridiculous partisan, extreme amendments attempted at 11:00 at night, or midnight, and they simply do not have their house in order. the good news is that there is bipartisan support in the senate for very responsible spending bills, that will help the american people. and the senate is sending those bills over to us. they've sent three already, with republican support. and there is going to be a time when the gop is simply going to have to put those bills on the floor for the good of the american people. >> we've got less than a minute, but congresswoman, i do want to ask you before we have two part. 26 members of the house either choosing to retire, or resign. how does it feel to see a number of colleagues, both republican and democrats, say you know what? this dysfunction is too much for me to bear. >> well, i think it's sad for the institution. however, we did see a lot of retirements around redistricting time. and this also will be an opportunity for a new generation of leaders. it's always side to lose good numbers, but there's a lot of energy out there. we saw in this last election, so many people coming to the polls. wanting to have a better government and a better future for their children. and i think we're going to have some fantastic candidates in 2024. >> yes, i think this is the idea that with change could be chaos, but opportunity, it sounds like you're looking on the positive side of that opportunity. congresswoman deborah's, thanks as always for being here, i appreciate you. >> my pleasure. >> still to come on the katie phang show, raucous republicans. by saturday morning political panel on the disturbing surge of violence this week among republican lawmakers on capitol hill, and what it says about the state of american politics. we've got a packed show for you this morning, so keep it right here on msnbc. eep it right here on msnbc. 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>> no. if i would hit somebody, they know. >> sir, this is a time, this is a place. if you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults, we can finish it here. >> okay, that's fine. perfect. >> you want to do right now? >> when you stand your butt up. >> sit down. your united states senator. sit down. es>> bernie sanders having to sy you are a united states senator. my nine-year-old doesn't even act like that. joining me now is our saturday morning political panel, former -- friend of monte, both are msnbc political analysts. i want to start with you, because you, when you were a congressman, you spent time in those same halls. did you ever see a level of dysfunction that we just saw right there? >> no kidding, a good morning. i wish i could be with you, i'm traveling with family. but certainly it is impossible to overstate the level of anger, resentment, distrust, and i are that exists particularly in the house republican conference. due to all of the conflicts, all of the infighting that we have seen in recent weeks, there's members like matt gaetz, and others that have really incited extreme passions in some of their colleagues, and this is now all spilling out into the public. congress is not a chapel, and there's always conflict, and there's always people who don't get along. but typically that doesn't public to the surface, that gets resolved privately. but the rubble of anger and frustration is so high right now that the public is able to observe just exactly how much trouble these house republicans are having, getting along. >> let's be clear, these are the republicans. these are not the democrats that are creating this -- that's going on in the hollowed halls of congress. i wasn't joking when they should be put in their corners four times out, because it's like they're schoolyard bullies that are happening. i saw this politico piece, same clown car with a different driver. does this speak to the fact that how speaker mike johnson can't even control his own party as the house speaker? >> i think that's part of it. the other part is that this is all party today, katie, as you mentioned. congressman -- talks about the frustrations being at a high point. there are frustrations also in the house democratic caucus. there are tensions, it's not resorting to physical violence. we're seeing amongst republicans, not just a coursing of the political culture, this is who they are. this is the party that basically said, well, no big deal that there was a violent insurrection that tried to overrun congress on january six. so we have to resort to violence to impose our political will and stand power. it's normalized within the caucus. this is something much darker and more disturbing. it is a political parties saying, and putting on the table very clearly, that violence, even the threat of physical violence, is perfectly except-able. >> so it's becoming on brand for the republican party to resort to violence, as we saw on january 6th. >> the mega republican party, which today is what it is, it's a personality cult run by donald trump, it is ongoing. this is who they are, and we should believe them when they show us who they are. >> carlos, i feel like some voters might be forgiving of some of this quote, frustration eruptions, that we're seeing publicly now. but the reality is, this number was stunning to me. the house is on track for one of the worst records for actually getting work done. only 21 bills. the time when it was that bad was in 1931. it's not just we're seeing a bad behavior, nothing is getting done. i just had a congresswoman, deborah ross, on this show. and i said how do you feel about 26 of your colleagues saying you know what? i'm out. i'm waving the white flag. i can't be here anymore. is this the next kind of page, and what we can expect in terms of the political playbook from the republicans? >> katie, this is just a result of the culture that donald trump and his movement have promoted inside the republican party. people refusing to compromise, refusing to act as a team, refusing to come together, despite their differences. i mean, that's why the house cannot pass bills. speaker johnson, a new speaker, had to withdraw bills from the floor this week. why? because house republicans refused to come together to pass these bills. but this is the kind of conduct that donald trump has signaled is okay. this is the kind of conduct that he's promoted. so this maga movement has divided the republican party to a point where it cannot pass bills in the house, despite having a majority. granted, it's not a big majority. but democrats last term had a slim majority as well, and they did not have these issues. so the republican party again has to look in the mirror and say who do we want to be? do we want to be this donald trump inspired party that gets a lot of headlines for all the wrong reasons, but can't actually move legislation? or, do we want to be different? >> ferdinand, the next gop debate, december 6th in tuscaloosa, alabama. desantis having a bad moment, because the latest poll has trump at 46%, this is the new hampshire primary, nikki haley, 18%. chris christie at 11%, ramaswamy at 8%, and desantis at 7%. i will say bufford to santa. what does it say about nikki haley, gaining some ground? it's a huge swing between 46% and 18%. but do you think nikki haley, and the position that she is asserting now, do you think she's being true to herself, or do you think that maybe she's trying to become the vice president pick for donald trump? >> it's hard to see how she chooses to beat donald trump's vice president. even if the offer is extended. i think she's gone a little bit too far for him, and divorced herself from his rhetoric enough, where it would be unacceptable. i still think trump is going to do something like carey taylor -- something to give the finger again and show what he is. he doesn't care about the vice presidency, he doesn't think about it in the constitutional terms or the constitutional order. the vice president is someone who is there is simply to reflect the glory of donald trump. so i don't see him pick someone like nikki haley. having said that, i think donald trump should keep his eye on nikki haley's ascent. this is starting to be a little bit of a problem, because before, there really was no one rising to the surface as a challenger. now with nikki haley having -- ron desantis, we're going to see in this next debate, her assert herself even more. it's why desantis and his campaign are going all in on trying to take her down, which we saw this. week there was a little tuck a touch they had. i think that will continue in alabama. >> carlos, i've got less than 30 seconds. i want to follow up on this point about nikki haley. should voters be concerned about nikki haley, as vp, because donald trump, when convicted and going to prison, nikki haley might have to assigned to the position of president of the united states. >> i think donald trump should be worried about nikki haley, because if she's given the opportunity to face off with him one-on-one in some of these states, i do think nikki haley can give him a run for his money. i think most americans would agree that a haley presidency would be better than a trump presidency. so donald trump looks very strong right now, but the one candidate who could wrestle away this nomination from him is nikki haley. >> that's like saying a different form of torture would be better than the worst form of torture. saying haley over trump. that's my two cents, but i get to say because it's my show. carlous curbelo and for mandel monte, thank you for being here. as always. and still to come on the can you thank, shall setting the stage. this is belly relevant. my legal experts are sounding the alarm over judge aileen cannon's latest order in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. keep it right here, you're watching msnbc. , you're watching msnbc watching msnbc my dry eye's made me a burning, stinging, 5-times-a-day,... ...makeup smearing drops user. i want another option that's not another drop. tyrvaya. it's not another drop. it's the first and only nasal spray for dry eye. tyrvaya treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease fast by helping your body produce its own real tears. common side effects include sneezing, cough, and throat and nose irritation. relying only on drops? 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>> you know, i think you are -- unless on march one we see an entire different judge cannon who suddenly sets fast deadlines and forces trump's lawyers to move more quickly. but this is death by delay, that's exactly what we're seeing in this case in florida. >> and in georgia, obviously fani willis, she is putting her pedal to the metal, and trying to get this case tried. there's a lot of defendants remaining. there's 15 codefendants, including donald trump, that are remaining in georgia. and august 2024 trial date, interestingly, in her motion on this, fani willis indicated she considered the marked trials for donald trump, the may trial for donald trump, and all of the other kind of speedy trial rights that are at play here. do you think that august 2024 trial date seems to be realistic, considering how the d.a.'s office in fulton county has been dealing with other r.i.c.o. cases? >> you know, i think she is a very pragmatic prosecutor. she looked at the calendar, she wanted a firm date that would actually be a go for her office. and so she tried to put herself far from the other trials to have some certainty. what i wondered, katie, is if we'll see some discussion in court of moving that day up, since eileen may trial now seems to be off the books. of course, judges will give other judges deference in terms of scheduling, and there is nothing formal that says that the florida case won't go in may. still, technically on the books. but trump's lawyer steve sadow once a hearing in court. this will be in the judges discretion. when it comes to setting a date, judge mcafee can essentially do whatever he'd like to do. >> joyce, very quickly, let's manage some expectations here. if trump doesn't go to trial in march for whatever reason, because maybe he takes something up on appeal and the d.c. election interference case, is it possible for other cases like -- oh make this one up. fani willis's case, can maybe one of those cases go to trial in its stead, meaning instead of that d.c. case, or is it just too much to juggle in terms of the scheduling of deadlines? >> i think it's tough to start moving cases up. for one thing, defendants have due process rights, they're entitled to time to prepare. i don't think you can take a defendant and suddenly say we're going to trial two months earlier. could you do that with enough lead time, i think you could. but that's typically not how these sorts of proceedings work. i think once we see this calendar stack up, it will stay pretty much in place, barring, as you point out, delays inspired by proceedings. we will see a pre-trial appeal in the district of columbia case, at least on the presidential immunity issue. i think that what will be watching for their is to see how quickly those appellate courts are prepared to move. we know that on the appeal by trump of the gag order in the district of columbia, the court of appeals has moved very quickly. that argument is happening on monday, after just a couple of week's. it looks like the appellate courts might be able to keep the d.c. trial on track if that sort of scheduling holds up. >> joyce, i've got to let you go sadly. joyce vance, thanks for being here. i will highlight an upcoming date for everybody. december 11th, rudy giuliani goes to the damages portion of his defamation case. that will be interesting. coming up after a quick break, a live report from israel on the new claims from the idf that they are close to quote, dismantling causes military system. congresswoman elissa slotkin of the house armed services committee will join me live to talk about the u.s.'s response to the war. that's coming up next. onse to the war that's coming up next. that's coming up next. but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. we're travelling all across america, talking to people about their hearts. how's the heart? 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there have been some conflicting reports about whether it's actually been evacuated or not. >> katie, there have been conflicting reports. it's unclear what the precise situation is at this time. we've been unable to reach the medical staff at the hospital, now, according to the hamas -controlled palestinian health ministry, this morning, they're saying that the israeli military ordered the evacuation of the hospital, and that a number of patients, sick, as well as civilians that were sheltering in the hospital, left the hospital on foot. but that there are a number of patients critically ill, unable to leave. that are still inside of the hospital. now, the israeli military denies that it evacuated or ordered the evacuation of the hospital, saying that it offered a safe corridor to the director of the hospital at the director's request, and that it will facilitate the medical evacuation of any remaining patience, unable to leave the hospital. no further details were given. it's unclear how many patients, how many doctors remain inside the hospital at this time. now, for days now, the israeli military has surrounded this hospital. yesterday, i managed to speak briefly with the director of the hospitals burns unit, and he just gave this desperate account of the humanitarian situation inside the hospital. he said that 43 patients had died due to a lack of oxygen, and other basic medical essentials. these really military is saying that it has provided food and water, as well as medical supplies to the hospital. this, as it's continuing its search of the hospital, the israeli military has long alleged that there is a hamas command note buried deep beneath the al-shifa complex. so far, it has produced evidence of weapons that it says it found both inside the hospital, and on the hospital grounds. as well as evidence of the entrance of a tunnel. but nothing definitive at this point has been made public, that would confirm that allegation that hamas is exploiting the hospital in terms of a command node being buried deep beneath the hospital grounds. katie? >> thanks. nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin, thank you. please stay safe. and for more on this conversation, i'm joined right now by congresswoman elissa slotkin, a democrat from michigan who sits on the armed services committee. she's also a former cia analyst and a veteran of the defense department. we're also going to note, she's running for the united states senate in 2024. congresswoman, thank you for joining me. i have to ask, the images that we are seeing of the extent of the humanitarian crisis in gaza is inescapable. but we're also hearing now from the idf that hamas uses -- and this is known, they use places like hospitals as command centers. they use civilians as shields. but we're also hearing that innocent civilians are dying, because they don't have access to oxygen, for example, at al-shifa hospital. what's your position, and what's your reaction on where we find ourselves now, weeks after this israel-hamas war has begun? >> yes, well obviously no one likes to see these horrific images on their screens, and particularly a hospital, it just has a special residence because if you are injured, if your hurt, you can't move. we've all seen those stories. i think in this operation, the onus is on the israeli government to make clear what they have gone after. that would make them target a hospital. and this is one of the experiences many of us have serving in places like iraq and afghanistan. a hospital is a very sensitive topic, and if you're going to go after it, the onus is on the democracy to prove that there was truly something significant, significant enough that would ever make that a viable target. and the united states went through this ourselves in places like afghanistan, with kunduz, and a hospital raid there. so i think that the difference here is you have a democracy going against its -- the democracy have different rules. and they need to live up to those rules, just as we need to live up to those rules and 20 years of war. >> some of the evidence we are hearing and saying, though, are for example, the bodies of two hostages that were kidnapped on october 7th, from israel. they were found next to or inside of the al-shifa hospital complex. you were a cia analyst, you worked in the department of defense, is that the type of evidence that israel is producing to be able to justify the actions that it's taking? >> yes, and i think that's a process that's underway. obviously, it's horrific, and we've been seeing the families of the hostages come through congress and talk to us, and make it real, and it is painful that people have been put in this position, that a terrorist group has put them in this position. and i think, frankly, third needs to be more voice on hamas and their obligation to return hostages. i know there's negotiations going on, but that seems to sort of be missed sometimes that they are holding these people in dangerous places. but i think is real, as the democracy here, will be asked, and they're already producing some of that information. it just particularly, in a place that has so many civilian locations, this is what they have. they don't have army bases to go after. it just creates a really, really tenuous situation. and you are seeing a real outcry in a place like michigan, that they need to take into account. >> congresswoman, quickly, before i have to let you go, do you think a cease-fire is practical? do you think it makes sense to continue to call for a cease-fire at this time? >> yes, weeks ago, i frankly called for a strategic pause, because i served in a place like iraq, where i have seen up close and personal in places like ramani, where you need to have a plan. you need to know what you are doing, you need to have goals and be able to articulate that. and obviously for humanitarian assistance to get in, i think what i haven't done is called for a cease-fire, because a cease-fire requires hamas to also agreed to that cease-fire. they are a terrorist group, they have made it abundantly clear that it's not their plan. but having a plan, i mean, as someone who cares about israel, i will say that sometimes means expressing these tough lessons from our 20 years of war. i've seen this movie, and you can't bomb your way out of an ideology. >> that's some powerful messaging. congresswoman elissa slotkin, thank you so much for joining us today to provide that analysis, and that perspective. because i think it's important for people to hear that, so that they don't understand what's at stake. thanks for being here. >> and coming up next, disinformation disaster. alarm bells going off for democrats as spanish media giant univision takes a startling approach to covering the 2024 election. former secretary julián castro joins me after the break to discuss how the biden administration can -- and count republican messaging. you're watching the katie phang show, only on msnbc. the katie phan show, only on msnbc. 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let's just say that univision doesn't really lean or veer on the side of journalistic integrity. what can democrats do to make sure that the messaging gets out, and it's effectively done for the latino vote? s >> it just highlights the importance of having a very strong spanglish language strategy on all platforms, on's traditional television, but of course also on all the >> a lot of this misinformation and disinformation happens on whether it's whatsapp, or tiktok, or other platforms. and so there needs to be that as well. a coordinated effort from democrats to address that and to put out the right information, the accurate information. on top of that, they need to keep pushing back on both traditional media and these social media platforms when they don't release misinformation or disinformation enough. so i think it has to be sort of a two track strategy here, and recently the biden campaign has begun to invest more in spanish language media, and outreach. i think that's a good thing, and we're still a year away from the election, so there's time to do this. >> julián castro, as always, it's nice to see you. thanks for being here, i appreciate. it >> thank you. and thanks to all of you for joining in this morning. i'll be back here tomorrow at 8 am eastern, while i welcome texas congresswoman jasmine crockett with an insider's take on the chaos playing out on capitol hill. you can keep up with us by following at katie phang show on instagram, tiktok, and stay tuned. the saturday show with my friend jonathan capehart is coming up next. xt xt meet the traveling trio. the thrill seeker. the soul searcher. and - ahoy! it's the explorer! each helping to protect their money with chase. woah, a lost card isn't keeping this thrill seeker down. lost her card, not the vibe. the soul searcher, is finding his identity, and helping to protect it. hey! oh yeah, the explorer! she's looking to dive deeper... all while chase looks out for her. because these friends have chase. alerts that help check. tools that help protect. one bank that puts you in control. chase. make more of what's yours. theo's nose was cause for alarm, so dad brought puffs plus lotion to save it from harm. puffs has 50% more lotion and brings soothing relief. don't get burned by winter nose. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed. america's #1 lotion tissue. the virus that causes shingles is sleeping... in 99% of people over 50. it's lying dormant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? 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