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u.s. commander -- there's this moral ambiguity, not on college campuses, the elites, there is no moral confusion here. if a u.s. commander ever suggested or ever moved troops in a hospital to hide from the enemy, they would immediately be court-martialed. they would be taken out of the command structure of the united states military. they would be court-martialed. they would be dishonorably discharged. if just one did that. with hamas, that is their strategy. we knew from the day the attacks came, they were going to go. they were going to hide behind civilians. they were going to hide in schools. they were going to hide in the hospitals. we knew that. and it's exactly, willie, what -- it's exactly what's happened. again, "wall street journal" editorial page talking about it in their lead editorial, talking about the fact that today in gaza, hamas terrorists used the same war crime tactics that isis did in the battle of mosul. only now observers rush to apologize for it. when isis was hiding in hospitals in the battle of mosul, oh, everybody said this is the worst thing in the world. now that hamas is doing it, it's not hamas that's getting criticized, it's the israeli people who are trying to root out the terrorists who are hiding in hospitals, who have their command structures in hospitals because they want to be able to slaughter, rape, burn, beat, kill, behead israelis. >> torture families of hostages. >> and torture families of hostages and get away with it, because they're like, you know what -- and hamas, you have to hand it to them. they know how cynical enemies of israel are. they knew they could rape women. they knew they could burn grandmothers. they knew they could shoot babies bodies. they knew they could burn them and then they knew they could go hide in the civilian population in gaza and the world would stop israel. they knew that. and by the way, we said that here a month ago. and that's exactly what's happened, willie. that's exactly what the world has called for. they're saying, you know what, cease fire. just let them go ahead, kill your families, rape your daughters, shoot your children, burn your grandmothers. and then just let it be. cease fire. >> and to your point, the national security council here in the united states said yesterday now for the first time publicly that, yes, hamas is hiding weapons, ammo, and people, civilians in those hospitals, putting themselves behind the civilians. the difference what you're laying out is the united states military, the israeli military, most militaries around the world, they put themselves between the enemy and the civilians. hamas, which is not an army, it's a terrorist death cult, puts civilians between the enemy and themselves to hide and protect themselves. and we should say the same thing about this question about fuel, which is direly needed in this hospital. hamas has fuel. we'll say it again. hamas has fuel. they're using it to fight this war. they're using it to attack civilians and kill people in israel. they have fuel. they could be giving it to power those generators at the hospitals so those tragic scenes of infants dying didn't have to happen so that people didn't have to be taken off life support. hamas has fuel. they just don't want to use it because they don't care about their own people. >> and what if we said here from day one, when hamas kills a jew, that's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. and when a palestinian baby dies, because hamas holds the fuel so they don't power the generators for the hospitals where they're hiding, that's an even bigger victory for hamas. it is a death cult. willie just put it best. in the united states, our men and women in uniform put themselves between civilians and the enemy. hamas, that death cult, they do just the opposite. they put civilians between people that are coming to bring justice to them for their terrorist acts, they put civilians between them and the people that are looking for them. >> we have richard haass and many others coming up to talk about this and we'll continue our coverage. we also are going to preview the high-stakes meeting today between president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping. and we'll show you what president biden had to say about donald trump's veterans day speech where he called his political rivals vermin. ycht along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. and u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay joins us as well. let's get back to the politics here at home. big news late yesterday, a potential government shutdown in just two days is looking a lot less likely this morning after the house passed speaker mike johnson's unconventional stopgap funding bill yesterday, larly with the help of democrats. >> huh. this is interesting. >> the two-step plan was apoved on a bipaisan vote of 336 to 95, 209 democrats and 127 republicans. huh? voted in favor ofthis. 93 -- >>id they kick the speaker out for this? >> they did not. >> that's exactly why they were going to kick kevin mccarthy out. he couldn't pass a bill with democr support. >> there was kicking and shoving, just wasn't among the democrats. >> a lot of it. >> 93 republicans and 2 democrats voted against it. the move essentially punts the republican spending fight until after the holidays. speaker johnson told reporters he was pleased with the outcome. >> your first bill, sir, how does it feel? >> get the job done. we'll do it day by day. >> any concern about the number of republican defections there were? >> we'll get our team together. >> how do you get your team together from here? >> you'll see. >> the measure does not include spending cuts or any additional conservative policy add-ones. >> wait, what? >> it does not include a supplemental package covering things like aid for israel and ukraine or additional u.s. -- >> so, so, jonathan lemire, back to "the wall street journal" editorial page, they've got an editorial saying, meet the new speaker, same as the old speaker. taken of course we won't get fooled again. let me read this for a second. because i know it brings up the question we were all asking, wait a second, if kevin mccarthy done this, he would have been kicked out as speaker. "the wall street journal" editorial page writes this, pop quiz, what's the difference between the bipartisan stopgap funding bill that passed the house tuesday under new speaker mike johnson and the september equivalent passed by former speaker kevin mccarthy? answer, nothing but the self defeating republican drama. so much for the claim that their goal was electing a, quote, committed conservative as speaker. and they finish up, the lack of rebellion gr the republican rump is welcome. it further exposes the hallow claims that mccarthy made for their october exhibitionism and that's all it was. it was sound, fury and gestures, signifying nothing but, what did we say? an attempt to get more hits on tiktok and more clicks and more $25 donations from -- you committed -- he's reallied committed. oh, they're not putting up with the bull shit going on in washington, d.c. they're going to get real conservative. what did they do? they got a guy that passed the bill, the same way kevin mccarthy passed the bill because -- and this is important for the grown ups in the room, it was the only way to pass the bill. >> yeah. there are a few things at play here. one is simply, fatigue. i think there was a sense that republicans didn't want to go through another messy couple of weeks ousting -- fighting over the speaker, potentially ousting a speaker, shutting down the government. they didn't want to do that right now. we can talk separately the wisdom of punting that fight into an election year, which they have now done. assuming this does pass indeed the senate and goes to the president for his signature. johnson, you're right. he just did what cost mccarthy his job. i think there's some sense among republicans they will give johnson some time, he's only been on the job a couple weeks. he has more maga concern. he was the author of big lie legal petitions in 2020. also with mccarthy, it was very personal with matt gaetz and ores. that's also something that led to his ouster and perhaps why mccarthy was in such a foul mood yesterday, which we'll get to, in his confrontation with a colleague on the hill. but what this does is that likely keeps the lights on for a while, but what it doesn't do, provide any aid to ukraine, provide any aid to israel, provide any border security money, provide any aid to taiwan. those will be very, very thorny issues going forward in their future frankly uncertain. >> let's bring in the co-founder of punch bowl news john bresnahan who covers capitol hill so well and so closely. john, how did this play out yesterday? how did speaker johnson get this much-needed victory that funds the government through the end of the year, at least. but in your view, what's different about this and what cost speaker mccarthy his job? >> yeah. i mean, mccarthy -- as joe pointed out and jonathan pointed out, look, a lot of these hardline conservatives they just didn't like mccarthy. they never liked him. they never trusted him. they saw him more as a political operator than as a committed conservative, where as they see johnson as -- he is a hardline conservative. he was involved in the legal cases in 2020. he's a devout christian. there's no challenging his religious beliefs. he really is a devout christian. he's one of them. and that i think helped him. but if you look at the vote from september 30th, when -- which caused mccarthy to be ousted, and the vote yesterday, it was essentially the same. there were 90 republicans who voted against that bill in september 30th and now there were 93. so, it was literally the same bill. i do think this will give johnson some more time to pass some appropriation bills or try to pass them. the senate will work on, you know, israel, ukraine, taiwan, border security package in december. they'll try to see if they can put something together and move it to the house. that will give him some room. they'll press ahead on msnbc of joe biden and possibly msnbc of homeland security mayorkas. he'll throw some bones to the right. but in terms of government funding, he's not going to be able to change the deal mccarthy cut with biden back in may. that is going to be the deal eventually they have to come to. when house republicans admit it, that's where they have to be. we'll actually be able to fund the government without worrying about shutdowns. >> well, that would be nice. katty kay, curious your take. jonathan lemire said one of the reasons this happened is they wanted to avoid the messiness of the past, the mccarthy time, and yet there were squirmishes breaking out across capitol hill, which we will show you in a bit. my god, tensions were running high. >> it's like a bunch of children up there on capitol hill at the moment. i mean, it's great that they managed to keep government open during the holiday so that people are not going to be losing their paychecks over thanksgiving and over the christmas holidays. that's wonderful news. but the fact that mccarthy was accused of elbowing somebody in the back may tell us all we need to know about why mike johnson managed to get this through and kevin mccarthy could not get this through. does not seem that mike johnson is the kind of person goes around thumping people in the back or allegedly thumping people in the back. so that's what accounts for, people didn't like kevin mccarthy. clearly nancy mace has her own issues with kevin mccarthy. felt he had promised her something on trying to protect rape victims and never done it. maybe it's as simple as that, they just didn't like kevin. john, when you look at what this leads us into and we have now the setup for the prospect of all of this having to be replayed in january, february, early in the new year, those 93 republicans who voted against mike johnson, effectively, what happens to them? i know he's calling himself an arch conservative, how many more passes are they going to give him? >> i think he gets this one. i really don't see him getting another one. i don't think they'll oust johnson even in january. i mean, i wouldn't bet on it now. where else would they go? we saw the 22 days it took to get johnson in the first place. there's no one in the republican conference out of the 221 members who could unite them and get a vote like that. there's literally no one. johnson was the least offensive across the broad spectrum of the conference. so, i think that's another thing he's got in his favor. they -- mccarthy cut a deal in may. the senate is living with the deal. biden wants to live with the deal. they're going to have to come back to that deal at some point. they have to deal with it. now, again, he's got leverage on ukraine. president really wants ukraine funding. huge problem. he could put his speakership on the line if he puts ukraine bill on the floor. he said he's going to be open to discussion about it. i mean, this is a huge, huge, globally important issue. so, we will see what happens in december. this is not just about republican infighting. what happens in congress plays out across the country and across the planet. so, you know, these are really big issues. >> yeah. and equally as big an issue, katty kay, i like your top because it matches exactly mine. we have the same top on. >> we do. >> very cute you called each other. i got to say -- >> we do that sometimes. sometimes you need it. uniformity. we're trying to build unity. >> makes it simple. >> easy in that way, yeah. >> really does. that's why i wear the clothes in the morning that i go to sleep in the night before. >> we do not do that. >> yeah. >> it's so interesting, though, again, we have mentioned it, these republicans refuse to fund the southern border. they just refuse to. joe biden has put a lot of money out to fund the southern border. a lot of money out to support israel. a lot of money out to support -- stop russian tyranny. and these republicans just say no to stopping russian tyranny, say no to supporting israel and they say no to funding the southern border. it's a real mess. >> and up next in one minute, drama. we'll show you the tense day on the hill for house republicans with a first-hand account from the npr correspondent who was there when former speaker kevin mccarthy allegedly elbowed tennessee republican tim burchett. we're back in 60 seconds. burchett we're back in 60 seconds in the u.s. we see millions of cyber threats each year. that rate is increasing as more and more businesses move to the cloud. - so, the question is... - cyber attack! as cyber criminals expand their toolkit, we must expand as well. we need to rethink... next level moments, need the next level network. [speaker continues in the background] the network with 24/7 built-in security. chip? at&t business. ♪♪ wow. look. >> isn't that pretty. >> i love the morning. >> absolutely beautiful view of that southern part of manhattan. gorgeous. >> that's new york. it's pretty in new york. in washington, well, depending on where you were, there were some ugly moments. tensions among house republicans -- >> hold on a second. hold on. hold on. >> are you going to go back to your newspaper -- so this is interesting. joe started getting newspapers. and he loves -- it's like christmas every time the papers come. he loves his newspapers. go ahead. interrupt. continue. >> remember a couple days ago, jonathan lemire, we were talking about the proper way to say i-10 on the west coast. >> yes. >> willie was not here. here is a story right now about i-10 closed. mika -- i think it was a mistake. >> no. >> i don't think she knows that you had a v to all -- the 405, right? she does not know that. so, we all learned this, of course, from tina fey in 30 rock when she took her ill-fated trip out to los angeles during the rodney king riots. but she learned that you always put a v in front of whatever. but mika said, v-i-10. did not sound right to me. jonathan lemire, you actually linked up with politico's west coast bureau and what did they tell you? >> yeah. i did a little reporting on this because just like to you, joe, didn't seem quite right to me and the "snl" skit that californians know. we're mostly there, mika. it's not the i-10 it's the 10 or the 405. drop the i. it's just the. that's how they do it in southern california. the 10 freeway which we should note will be closed for a few weeks because of the arson fire that they don't have any suspects yet. gavin newsom the governor provided update on the 10. >> so, willie was, of course, he was on -- doing some reporting in vail on monday, so he wasn't able to be with us. but willie, you would have known us because you hang out with -- >> hollywood. >> it's called the 10. >> yeah. i think we're shows east coast bias. definitely is the 10. article and then the number out in southern california. o.j. is moving slowly up the 405. like that kind of to give you an example. >> thank you. >> we should have this conversation in the fourth hour for our west coast viewers. >> or maybe not. >> there's some up right now. hi, san bernardino. >> good education on west coast lingo. tensions among house republicans spilled over yesterday when former speaker kevin mccarthy allegedly elbowed one of his colleagues who voted to remove him from his position last month. >> can't do that. >> 5 years old? while being interviewed after a conference meeting tennessee republican tim burchett says he was hit from behind by mccarthy. he initially apologized, thinking he had been in the wrong, but then chased mccarthy down the hall to confront him. npr congressional correspondent claudia captured audio of the altercation. take a listen. >> i think it went all right. >> yeah. >> sorry, kevin, didn't mean to elbow -- whooid you elbow in the back, kevin? hey, kevin! you got any guts? jerk. >> has he done that before? >> no. >> huh, that's a new move. hey, kevin, whooi you walk by me and elbow me in the back. the reporter said itight there. what kind of chicken move is that? you're pathetic man. you are so pathetic. >> thank you, tim. >> and npr's claudia joins us now. that happened right in front of you. and they knew that you were the middle of an interview. >> it's kind of like -- >> you were rolling. >> it's kind of like working the middle school cafeteria except these are the people that lead our country. tell us about it. >> yeah. it was very stunning. this is a tradition tuesday mornings when republicans meet in a nearby conference room in the basement area. and we often talk with members as they pull off to the side of this hallway. burchett had done the same, came to the side to talk to me. he said one sentence to me before he was shoved. he lurched into me. we were about two feet apart. he probably lurched about a foot in front of me. so it was just a very shocking moment. i look over, it's mccarthy and his detail. they are not stopping at all during that entire confrontation. mccarthy is looking back to respond to burchett and deny it and chuckling at one point when burchett was saying you're a pathetic man. i cannot believe i just saw that. >> from your view, it was a little shot from the former speaker to burchett. >> he was shoved. and because he lurched into me. and also, it was clear to me, i thought, initially it was a joke. but then a few seconds pass before i realize, this was not a joke at all. >> as you said, mccarthy later on even denied giving what burchett described as a shot to the kidneys. the tennessee republican not backing down from his version of events. >> i did not run and hit the guy. i did not kidney punch him. i did not do anything like that. >> you didn't shove him. >> no. if i would hit somebody, they would know i hit them. >> come on. i'll take a polygraph test and have kevin take a polygraph test. >> what did you say to him? >> oh, i'm okay, ma'am. look, it's no big deal. it's just a little different the way people react in tennessee than they do in california. if you have a problem with them, you take it to them face to face. in california, take a cheap shot. $17 million of security detail and still be a phony. >> just taking a broad shot at southern california there. this is not the first time mccarthy has been accused of hitting a fellow repuican. adam kinzinger says mccarthy did the same thing to him on a couple of separate occasions. john bresnahan, i wish we had it in front of us. i don't have it. but you had a great tweet yesterday. you've been covering capitol hill a long time. this is one of if not the dumbest days you've ever witnessed. i thought congress can't get dumber, you wrote, and then today happened. >> yeah. it was if you take this incident -- >> sorry. we're just reading your next tweet, please, god, make the stupid stop. >> we had this, we had the mark wayne mullin challenging a witness to a fight ahead of the teamsters. you know, we had jim comer, chairman of the oversight calling jared mosh koe wits a liar and a smurf. yesterday was just -- yeah. yesterday was just a hurricane of stupid. i mean, it was -- you know, look, i think part of it is that the house has been in session for ten-straight weeks. joe knows this. members they get restless. they don't like being around each other that much. >> no, no, no, no. no -- it's not an excuse for physical violence. come on. oh my lord. >> i'm just saying that weird things happen. but i also think, look, i think there's a broader issues here. first, it's a kor setting of american politics. there's no question about it. the donald trump era you have trump going out and saying what he's done and everything. and then, like we can't take this -- we can't take this -- we can't just dismiss this and post-january 6th. look, you have paul pelosi, his attacker is on trial right now. this is -- when people do these stupid incidents, you all know it, it gets blown up on social media and when the public sees it, they take it as reality. this is okay. the political violence is okay. and this is what happens when we get -- members are shot at malls. of course, steve scalise. you can't just start this a little thing and expect it not to blow up to a big thing out in the public. >> very well put. >> you had donald trump couple days ago mocking paul pelosi, a guy in his 80s who almost got beaten to death and donald trump is making jokes about it. we talked a couple days ago about you had a republican member of congress beat up a reporter, beat up a reporter, a few years ago for asking a question about healthcare reform. and what did donald trump do? he praised him. >> that's correct. >> for beating up a reporter. so, of course, this follows -- and you see it in the house, just thank god, thank god we have the house of lords. we have the upper chamber where people -- >> yeah, i don't know. >> it is the most exclusive club in the world. it doesn't happen in the senate. >> i hate to break your heart, but it does happen there as well. brawl nearly broke out on the other side of congress yesterday during a hearing of the senate help committee. these are our leaders. there oklahoma republican mark wayne mullen challenged one of the hearing's witnesses. >> you wouldn't think a guy with three names would do this. >> the president of the teamsters union to a fight. >> sir, this is a time, this is a place if you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults finish it here. >> okay. that's fine. perfect. >> you want to do it now. >> stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up. >> stop it. >> sit down. >> you're a united states senator. >> let's do it. >> it's funny how you're backing out -- >> i didn't back out of anything. >> senator -- >> should be the most influential people in this country, making changes. y'all focussed on -- >> you're an embarrassment. you're an embarrassment. >> look, embarrassment to the state of oklahoma. >> look, this hearing -- >> you know, i can't even. i can't even -- >> i understand mullen was a former mma fighter, but willie, i'm leaving the teamster alone. i'm letting him be. sean, all sean's irish brothers, i'm not getting close to him. he looks like he can handle himself quite well. >> what is going on! >> you're waiting for the the "anchorman "scene scene, come out with the more preposterous groups that want to join the fight. the house, the senate, another one. >> there is a little back story here as you mentioned. these two guys going at it on social media, i guess, since back in june. mullen first challenged the teamster's president to a fight. that was in response to a tweet where the union boss referred to mullen as a clown and a fraud as they went back and forth. now for the first time, john, i guess they saw each other face to face and decided, let's do it now. >> that's sean o'brien, pride of medford, massachusetts, there on the other side of that confrontation. and, yeah, this was -- as you say, this worked up on social media. we saw the senator start to pull off his rings because he was going to throw down. >> oh, come on. come on. >> it can't be said enough, credit to bernie sanders, who immediately said, you're a united states senator. we're better than this. called it into recess. it eventually cooled down except it didn't because the senator later went on and did a television interview suggesting he is happy to throw down at any time. not at all suggesting he would back away from a physical confrontation. >> back in the 1850s you could cane each other. disagree, we could beat each other up. we need to go back to senator summit ter in 1856. >> fyi, markwayne is one name. >> yeah. but it's like ricky bobby's two names but it's really two names that are two first names. markwayne, you know, that senator, he's got three names. you expect if you have three names -- >> do you think claudia is glad she came on this morning, npr reporter with such elegance and here we are. >> there's a lot fights breaking out here and katty, it's -- again, this is seen by americans. all right? thank god nobody brought a try dent to the fight, but this is seen by americans. these are the people who are supposed to be leading us. and again, it's governing by gesture. but as "wall street journal," what was their -- what did they talk about? they talk about the drama. oh, october exhibitionism. well, that exhibitionism has gone into november now and it's just pathetic. >> yeah. have you noticed, mika, it was all men involved in all of those little altercations? >> right. >> i'm just putting it out there. what i love is kevin mccarthy saying, oh, if i hit somebody they would know about it. that's his defense of what he did? oh, i'm much tougher than that and i get into fights all the time and when i do, people really know i floored them on the ground as if that's meant to be some mitigating factor. you know, it's embarrassing. i think -- but he's from the old school of how things are done. the worry is that there's the old school of how things are done and it's bernie sander's school saying you're a united states senator, behave better than that. a new school where the language in american politics has become more violent. you hear people talking about civil war. you hear the former president saying at rallies that people should be punished, that he would like to punch them if they heckle him or something at a rally in 2016. so, it's a kind of -- it gets into the ether. it becomes normalized. it leads to the kind of scenes we saw yesterday. pathetic. >> but wait, there's more. republican house oversight committee chair james comer responded to democratic congressman jared moskowitz of florida. it started when congressman moschcowitz asked about a daily beast story asserting that congressman comer loaned his brother $200,000 as part of a land swap deal. for context, comer abused president biden engaging in shady business practice by loaning the same amount of money to his brother, james biden. comer denied any suspicious activity and then went off on moschcowitz. >> i went to the bank and i borrowed money and i bought that land. i didn't get wires from romania, china. my family doesn't get wires. okay? never loaned my brother money. don't have an llc. but you and gomen, mr. trust fund, continue to try to -- >> reclaiming my time. >> i'm not going to give you your time back. we can stop the clock. you all continue -- you look like a smurf here just going around in all stuff. >> mr. chairman, hold on, we're not on time. you have gone on tv and said the president did something evil. you're doing stuff with your brother. the american public have the same questions. why should they believe you? why should they believe you? >> investigate -- >> why should they believe you? a different rule for the president. different rule for you. why should they believe what you're saying, mr. chairman? why? you go on fox news and say, loans and deals -- >> you go on fox news -- >> we don't know that's what your doing or not. we don't know. we're supposed to take your word for it. but when the president says something -- >> you've been proven a liar, mr. moschcowitz. >> what's that? >> who has proven me a liar, you? >> yes. go to my hometown. there's a camera crew there today in opposition research, crew there today. >> mr. chairman, this seems to have gotten under your skin. >> i'll pay for your ticket. >> i think the american people have lots of questions, mr. chairman. perhaps you should sit for a deposition. >> i will sit with hunter biden and jim biden and go over our llcs. >> oh my god. >> i can tell you, i was there not so long ago. chairman never acted -- they just didn't take the bait like that. and willie, for comer to call anybody a smurf proves only one thing, says they look like a smurf, they obviously don't have mirrors in the comer household. >> well, i just -- it's hard to know what to say watching that back and forth. again, bres, this gets back into the investigation he is leading into hunter biden, we have a lot of smoke, no fire yet. when you don't have any fire, you engage in fights like this as a distraction, perhaps. >> oh, he's gone pretty much accused biden of bribery. i mean, i have interviewed comer. he's pretty much said it right out. >> proven it, though, what i mean. >> of course they have not proven anything at all. but he clearly believes it. the speaker mike johnson seems to think biden has done something wrong as well. i do think the tension you've seen in house republicans, you've seen this since january, this entire congress, they had this razor thin majority. remember the stuff on the floor with mike rogers and matt gaetz and richard hudson, another congressman, had to pull mike rogers from alabama, away from gaetz when we saw that fight in january. we have seen this throughout this congress. republicans are fighting over the future of their party, the future of their party is at stake here. and it's the tension inside their party. their enemies, in fact, their enemies the moderates in their own party are more of an enemy than the democrats are, which is just -- that's what it's become. >> and by moderates, actually there are so few moderates there, if any, you're really talking about people who don't want to burn the institution down. moderates -- when i was there, meant something completely different, even ten years ago meant something completely different. now, what moderate means is somebody that doesn't want to burn the place down, destroy the institution. a moderate is somebody who wants to get things done. i do have to say, just to follow up on comer, comer has proven absolutely nothing. going back to the wall street editorial page about a month ago. comer, it's all smoke, no fire. he can keep searching and they suggested keep searching, see if you can find anything. time after time after time after time it proves he has nothing. in fact, he hope we can find something. and yet they've launched an impeachment inquiry with no evidence. they admitted it. they make the charge and they don't have any of the evidence. >> and the potential and most likely republican nominee for president is the leader of all this type of behavior. he opened the door to it. claudia, we'll close this block with you, final thoughts. thank you for coming on. but what do you make of this behavior in terps of the grand scheme of things and the direction of the republican party, its future? >> yeah. it's a very tough moment for republicans, i agree. we have been seeing these struggles since the beginning of the year. and they've only escalated when we saw the speakership fight. it's one reason i've been focussing on house republicans and their intraparty fighting is because of concerns of physical altercations. it just seems like that's where this is all going. and so, as stunning as yesterday was, it was not that shocking in the end. >> right. that's what we keep saying. stunning but not shocking day after day. congressional corespondent and npr claudia griselles and co-founder of punch bowl news, john bresnahan, thank you both very much for coming on this morning. coming up on "morning joe," we'll be joined by house minority leader ha keep jeffreys to discuss how house republicans needed help from democrats to pass that bill to avoid a government shutdown. plus, we'll preview today's high-stakes meeting between president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping. 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counterpart for the first time in a year. chinese president xi jinping landed in san francisco yesterday where he was greeted on the tarmac by california governor gavin newsom. treasury secretary janet yellen and u.s. ambassador to china, nicholas burns. biden and xi's meeting follows a tumultuous year for u.s./china relations as the super powers now aim to get back on track. major issues will be discussed in their talks today, including human rights concerns, the path forward to keeping the relationship stable, and the on going wars in europe and the middle east. another goal will be finding a path to reopening military communication channels. yesterday, president biden was asked how he would define success in their meeting. >> how would you define success with your meeting with president xi? >> get back on a normal course of corresponding, being able to pick up the phone and talk to one another if there's a crisis, being able to make sure our military still have contact with one another. we can't take -- as i told you, we're not trying to decouple from china. but what we're trying to do is change the relationship for the better. from my perspective, if, in fact, the chinese people who are in trouble right now economically, if the average homeowner, or the average citizen in china was able to have a decent paying job, that benefits them, and it benefits all of us. but i'm not going to continue to sustain the support for positions where if we want to invest in china, we have to turn over our trade secrets. >> let's bring in the president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. the stakes are what, the headline, why xi no longer brags about the economy. talk about the swagger he might have had a couple of years ago that he's not bringing to the meeting today. >> not so much. this is the critical relationship of this era of history, and this is a relationship that has been deteriorating for several years. both sides, though, have an interest in establishing what the president always calls a floor. the united states does not need another military-type crisis, anywhere. we've got our hands full in europe and the middle east. doesn't want china to be helping russia in ukraine. we have a political military agenda. chinese economy is in bad shape. they've got all sort of economic head winds, what they're looking for is no more u.s. pressure on their economy. they don't want new sanctions, technology controls and so forth. so the two sides have very different agendas. china's is economic, ours is political, military, both sides want to stabilize the relationship. there will be something of a floor, we'll see how strong it is, it's not going to deal with things like taiwan and the big differences, but all things being equal, i think it will stop the deterioration of the relationship. we'll have to see how long. the same thing happened a year ago, they met, established a floor then, then balloons showed up one day in the united states. the floor didn't last, so we'll see how this goes. >> mike, it is because of the economic problems china has been having over the past couple of years, and they've steadily declined over the last two years, a lot of news reports, a lot of foreign policy analysts saying that we could actually get some significant things out of this summit. if by significant, again, just relaunching this relationship, relaunching a baseline on security, on taiwan, and going back to what was the status quo on that issue, and we've already seen both sides talking about progress on environmental issues as well. this would have been a far different summit six months ago than we hopefully will see today. >> yeah, joe, apparently the keyword that you just mentioned is baseline, a baseline for the relationship between china and the united states. we'll see from the get go what happens here. it will be clearly evident in what we see on tv when the meeting occurs, the first meeting occurs. richard, how does a relationship with china improve when you've got two things happening. china is flooding america with fentanyl, knowingly flooding america with fentanyl. and the united states, obviously, sensibly is busy putting together relationships up and down the pacific rim with australia, with the philippines, things like that. what would be success in this relationship? >> yeah, sometimes foreign policy, you want to bring about real cooperation. you want to improve relations. the definition of success is modest. more than anything else, the united states and china need to avoid a conflict over taiwan. arming russia. we don't want china to do things in the middle east that would make things more difficult. if beyond that, we could get limited improvement on fentanyl, reestablishing military-to-military communications. if there's ever an incident, it doesn't somehow escalate. china is more interested on the economic side. we have to be modest here. this is a relationship that hasn't found a definition for itself. it's highly competitive. the question s can you avoid having the competition spilling over. can you find limited areas of cooperation amidst the competition, maybe. we're not going to get chinese help on north korea, probably not on russia, it's difficult. >> does china not have a huge demographic problem, the elderly and young, unemployed. >> china is 1.3, 1.4 billion people, the estimates are over the next 75 years, they're going to go to something on the order of 800 million. massive economic decline. the ratio of those working to those retiring is moving in the wrong direction. a lot of the young people, best and brightest are leaving. over 20% youth unemployment. really interesting article in the new yorker talking about chinese malaise. what xi jinping has done is strengthen the government, strengthen the communist party but it's had a real effect on the economy and society. he's prepared to make that deal. he wants to make sure they maintain political control but china is paying a price for this. so we used to worry that china is 10 feet tall. we understand it's not. this is a difficult china. we shouldn't underestimate some of the areas of economic competition, things like ai. they're the world's leader in solar. and china that has difficulties at home isn't necessarily an easier china to deal with abroad, and that's really the challenge facing us. >> and not easier at all. you know, it is interesting that over the past ten, fifteen years, we have had people coming on the show, talking about the rise in china, it was going to eclipse us. it was going to leave the united states in the dust. i said, well, i heard the same things about japan in 1987, '87, '88, '89. it wasn't going to happen with japan. it's not going to happen with china. there is no doubt, jonathan lemire, one of the reasons why the u.s. economy is still so much stronger than china's is because of a lot of self-inflicted wounds. you look at, again, the demographic problems right now. it's just a demographic time bomb waiting to go off. in china, you add on top of that how xi has basically chased dwn some of the best entrepreneurs and put the fear of the communist party in them. they're not on the cutting edge. what entrepreneurs want to move to china right now? a lot of american businesses don't really care about staying there anymore. they were always talking about expanding. you look at what happened with hong kong, all of these things, and this past week, reports that xi is trying to encourage young people to move out to the country because there aren't jobs in urban centers. again, this is a society going through some pretty significant changes. and a lot of them, not good. >> it's a pretty humbled xi jinping that comes to this meeting with president biden. even much more so tha a year ago when they did meet in bali. to richard's point a moment ago, senior white house aides previewing the summit, that's the expectation. get back to bali, stabilize where things were before the spy balloon. before a number of other confrontations and flash points between the two nations to try to sort of take down the temperature a little, resume communication on the military level, increase it elsewhere. try to make some progress on climate change. fentanyl. we went through the list. really, it's about to try to just calm things down. frankly, the u.s. can focus on other things because of the situation in ukraine, because of the middle east. this is a prent aut to head into the reelection year. that's the goal for today, modest but important. the two men will meet this afternoon, and we'll hear from president biden holding a news conference this evening. still ahead, as chaos on the hill continues, we're going to speak with republican mike lawler about his colleague's wild behavior, plus, something of more consequence, his recent trip to israel. also ahead, the ceo of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt will join us as the 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punch him. >> you didn't shove him? >> no. if i would hit somebody, they would know i hit them. >> we're going to serve the people of this country. we're going to restore their faith in this congress, this institution of government. >> this is a time, this is a place, you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults, we can finish it here. >> that's fine. perfect. >> you want to do it right now? >> i'd love to do it right now. >> stand your butt up now. >> you stand your butt up. >> stop it. >> sit down. >> you're a united states senator. >> this group here is ready to govern. we're going to govern well. >> my family doesn't get wires, okay, never loaned my brother money. don't have an llc. but you and goldman, who is mr. trust fund, continue to try to -- >> reclaiming my time. >> no, i'm not going to give you your time back. we can stop the clock. you-all continue to, you look like a smurf here going around in all of this stuff. >> mr. chairman, no, no, hold on, if we're not on time -- >> you continue to skew the information. >> you have gone on tv and said the president -- >> wow. >> so much for republican unity, and restoring faith in congress. welcome back to "morning joe," it is wednesday, november 15th. jonathan lemire, katty kay, mike barnicle. and richard haass are with us. a potential government shutdown is looking less likely this morning after the house passed speaker mike johnson's unconventional stop gal budget bill. 209 democrats and 127 republicans voted in favor. 93 republicans and 2 democrats voted against it. the move, essentially punts the republican spending fight until after the holidays. speaker johnson told reporters he was pleased with the outcome. >> reporter: your first big bill, sir, how does it feel? >> just got to get the job done. we'll do it day by day. >> reporter: any concern about the number of republican defections there were? >> we'll get our team ready and run the agenda. we're ready to do that. >> reporter: how do you get your team ready from here? >> you'll see. >> the measure does not include spending cuts or additional conservative policy add-ones. it also does not include a supplemental package covering things like aid for israel and ukraine. or additional border security. >> the house republicans have been fighting getting a bill to help israel that will actually pass. they seem to be dead set against helping the ukrainians push back vladimir putin. great news as a lot of republicans say in the house for vladimir putin and people like xi, and also i'm sick and tired of them stopping funding for -- >> the border. >> for border security. we need border security, and i don't know what the house republicans think is more important. >> such hypocrites. >> they love talking about the issue, but joe biden wants to fund additional border security, and they won't do it. they refuse to fund it. day after day after day. they refuse to fund border security. >> and they talk about joe biden's border problems. >> yeah. because they refused to do an immigration deal for a couple of years that would take care of the border, and now they're refusing to even fund border security. just so they can go on tv channels and bitch and whine about border security when they're the reasons the money is not getting down to the southern border for security. all that as it is, willie, let's talk about this deal that was done. a "wall street journal" editorial page, we talked about it last hour. it's one of their editorials, meet the new speaker, same as the old speaker, and they really lay it out, what we were all thinking about. pop quiz, what's the difference between the bipartisan stopgap funding bill that passed the house tuesday under new speaker mike johnson and the september equivalent under former leader kevin mccarthy, the answer, nothing, but the self-defeating republican drama. so much for the claim, and what a bogus claim it was, that their goal was electing a more, quote, committed conservative as speaker. what a lie. it was all about drama. it was all about tiktok. it was all about small donations from across the country for people who are actually stupid enough to believe that what that was was something more than gesturing. as the "wall street journal" editorial page ends, the lack of rebellion from the republican rump is welcome. apparently deposing two speakers in a few weeks was too much even for them, but it further exposes the hollow claims the mccarthy aide made for october exhibitionism, and that's all it was, willie. >> congratulations, i guess, on doing the absolutely bare minimum of the house of representatives for keeping the government funded for a couple of months. by the way, they have given the upper hand on the issues you laid out to the white house on border security, israel, ukraine. they say, great, the government is funded. what about all of this important stuff that's in front of us right now. we've got to support israel, continue to support ukraine, and yes, we have to secure the border, republicans, and you heard that from white house officials yesterday. let's bring in congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post", jackie alemany. talk a little bit about, according to your reporting, what joe was laying out, the contrast for the way it didn't last time with speaker mccarthy. >> it's interesting if you look at the number of republicans who voted against this deal on september 30th, versus those who ultimately voted for it yesterday, and their inability to explain the discrepancies between why they now support something that they were so vehemently against. as you noted, this gets the government funded through january 19th when republicans are going to have to go through this all over again. the senate is likely to pass the short-term continuing resolution either today, tomorrow, or by the end of the week to get something on joe biden's desk to avoid a government shutdown. it does avoid these really big looming topics that have existed since speaker mccarthy and the reason why he was ousted. at the end of the day, though, republicans are only going to have a four-person majority by next year when they have to renegotiate this all over again. giving, you know, the margins, making it extremely unlikely for these hard right republicans who want to make these steep cuts, especially to defense spending against really the entire rest of the institution, not just senate republicans and democrats, but the administration and even some of their own house gop republicans who feel like this is just not realistic in this day and age to provide such little funding and make such steep cuts to our defense funding. so it's ground hog's day, and it's going to continue to be going into the beginning of next year. >> jackie, in your conversations with various members of the house gop, house republicans, do you ever hear any evidence that they are aware now today that ukraine is in the death struggle with russia? >> yeah. if you speak to any member who sits on the china committee, for example, and really views this as the only way to effectively counter china by continuing to prop up ukraine and provide as much support as possible. they will all publicly and privately concede that we need to continue to support democratic institutions to our fullest capabilities across the globe. but there is really a growing sentiment here that there is not enough accountability. some of the misinformation about zelenskyy has really resonated with a lot of hard liners who then can propagate this misinformation about their perception of corruption, which, again, is not completely based in reality to their constituents. and this talking point, which we heard echoed on the stage and the gop republican debate that, you know, we shouldn't be funding ukraine while we are not adequately funding domestic programs has become a really popular, populous talking point. so it's certainly not the overwhelming -- it's not the majority take here, but it is, you know, it is something that is often talked about in the hallways. >> "the washington post" jackie alemany, thank you very much for coming on this morning. tens of thousands of people gathered yesterday on the national mall in washington to show their support for israel amid a rise in anti-semitism, and anti-muslim rhetoric worldwide. organizers say yesterday's demonstration was meant to underscore the right of jewish communities around the world to be able to live free from hate. it comes as hundreds of hostages are still believed to be inside gaza. held by hamas as the war between the terrorist group and idf forces grinds through its sixth week. the rally featured speakers from both sides, and family members of hostages, including rachel goldberg, whom we talked to yesterday. her 23-year-old son is hirsh is missing. >> how we are living is hard to describe to you. we hostage families have lived the last 39 days in slow motion torment. what the world needs to start thinking about today is what will your excuse be? [ cheering and applause ] >> bring them home now. bring them home now [ chanting bring them home now ] >> joining us is the ceo of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt. it's good to have you on this morning. the march was important yesterday, but will it send a message to different pockets of even this country where the hatred seems to be just cropping up worst than we could have ever imagined. >> mika, i think it's a good question, and i'm glad we're talking about the march that took place yesterday, but the one thing i would say is it wasn't tens of thousands, mika, it was hundreds of thousands of people on the mall. i heard upwards of 300,000. and we should note, these were jews, and non-jews, republicans and democrats. i saw people with maga hats and people with pride flags. where else in america told could -- today could you see something like that. by the way, you saw israeli flags and american flags, they sang the national anthem and atikva, it was not just pro-israel, it was pro-america. i contrast of the video i have seen of people wearing masks and tearing down american flags in new york city. right, so this was energizing and inspiring, and i think it was a message that the jewish community is united on this issue. that the vast majority of us stand with israel and stand against anti-semitism. that america is more united on this issue than you might think. i mean, again, there were so many people there who weren't jewish. it's good for congress to see that, and it's good for the country to see that kind of unity on this important issue. >> jonathan, good morning, thanks for being with us again. we should say, rachel goldberg, who we saw there. she was on our show yesterday. what an extraordinary voice she has been through this as her 23-year-old son is held inside gaza. it wasn't just jewish people, when you have a couple hundred thousand. it's an important message to the country and the world that actually the numbers are big, most, 99.9% of decent people with a shred of humanity are not tearing down posters of children who have been kidnapped. were you heartened by what you saw yesterday, and how do you carry that guard to continue to fight anti-semitism? >> that's a great question. i was heartened. there's so much darkness, and you talk about rachel and the goldberg family, so much darkness. i think about babies as young adds nine months, and the 3-year-old children and the elderly and disabled, held, bound and gagged in tunnels. it's indefensible, to think about on college campuses they're tearing down the posters and in public places, they're chanting river to the sea. i'm so energized by yesterday, it was amazing, again, the kind of show of humanity you so rarely see. no one is wearing masks. everyone is holding hands. no one was arrested. it was peaceful and joyous, despite the danger of this moment. how do we carry it forward? i tell you what, number one, we're going to keep thanking the biden administration for what they have done, and push them to continue to stand with the american people and to stand with the people of israel. i think number two, same for congress. get that bill passed so israel gets the aid it needs and i'm testifying for house ways and means today about what to do about the tsunami of anti-semitism on our college campuses. and then, again, push university administrators to finally find their backbone, willie. who can imagine a world in which they sit by while their students are denigrated and insulted and threatened. now, there has been some good news. george washington university just suspended one of the worst actors, a group called students for justice in palestine, columbia suspended them as well. and it should be clear, this isn't about abrogating free speech. the freedom of expression isn't the right of the freedom to incite violence. if you do that, there should be consequences. i'm glad some university presidents are finally getting the message. >> you led me to a question i was going to ask you, which we have now seen at least the beginning of some pushback, finally, from people who run these schools. you mentioned columbia, other places, just through the end of the semester in the case of columbia saying you can't hold demonstrations on our campus. it's important to be clear, this isn't about free speech. some of these groups are espousing hatred and explicit anti-semitism. do you see the leadership at some of these schools that you have been pushing so hard, are they now finding the backbone you just described? >> they're only going to find the backbone if we hold them accountable. donors need to hold them accountable, students need to hold them accountable. the federal government does too. we launched a legal call-in for students who have experienced this kind of discrimination, it's a violation of the civil rights act. we have over 150 cases we're now exploring. let me tell you, the university presidents might not listen to some students but when they run the risk of losing hundreds of millions of dollars of federal grants, they're going to respond. 150 cases in a week. we're going to continue to hold their feet to the fire, and by the way, we shouldn't just wait for us to push for the cases, the department of education can be proactive about this and launch investigations, and, you know, other authorities like the irs, and even the fbi should look at the parent organizations to see, are they providing material support for terror? that isn't okay under any circumstances. >> jonathan, good morning. it's richard haass here. first of all, thank you for your consistent voice over the last 40 days on these issues about anti-semitism, about what college and university administrators aren't doing. i want to talk to you about another sentence, though, you used. you talk about people standing up in support for israel. what do you advise young people. for example, if you were to meet with the hundreds of people working around the administration, around congress or signing these open letters, calling for an immediate cease fire, most of them, i would think, are non-anti-semites. how do you distinguish between israel's right of self-defense, but people who disagree with how that right is being carried out. either the attacks or the lack of a political strategy for meeting legitimate palestinian political aspirations. how do you go about parsing that? what do you tell people who are looking for answers here? >> i mean, richard, i think this is really the question of the day. so what i would say to these young people, i mean, i served in two presidential administrations, and the way i got it done, even when i didn't agree, i made my case known internally, fought strongly, ferociously inside the process. for these young people who can't abide by that, i say, number one, recognize the humanity of the other side. if you're going to call for a cease fire, the plight of the hostages or the israelis who were brutalized, raped and murdered. use an outstretched hand, talk about the fact that palestinians have suffered, and israelis have suffered. it's the one-sidedness, richard, that i don't understand. as someone who says the loss of any palestinian life, human life is a tragedy, why is it so hard for some of these protesters, and i'm not saying they're anti-semites, but they're hard of heart, by not recognizing what the poland family is going through, by not recognizing what thousands of families are going through right now. there is a way to say i believe in palestinian dignity, but i also believe in israeli humanity. these things should not be divergent. they need to be convergent if we hope to finally have peace in the region. >> jonathan, we have seen a shift in the way the administration has been speaking about what's happening in gaza recently. kind of more emotion, i guess, more empathy for gaza children, for example, when tony blinken went to the middle east, and he saw the faces of his own children when he saw the children of gaza being killed. do you think that's actually helpful in some way of redressing some of the feeling the young people that i have spoken to in this country have said to me, oh, well, the administration doesn't put as much value on palestinian lives, and that's what's making them feel angry about what israel is doing. >> it's quite a reductive view, that the administration doesn't feel for palestinian lives when this administration again and again and again has championed the notion of palestinian dignity and equality and talked about the need for a two-state solution. we will never have palestinian dignity and equality, if israelis don't have safety and security. what president biden has gotten right, and secretary blinken have gotten right, and activists got wrong, they don't recognize, these must be convergent propositions, not divergent ones. like i said a moment ago, the death of any palestinian tragedy is a tragedy, the tragedy here, let's try to get causal, where does it come from, to think that hamas is hiding their weapons and their fighters in hospitals and schools and homes? i mean, the level of cowardice of this organization that literally sends its terrorists into kibbutz to butcher families whole cloth, then retreats to hide behind the sick and the wounded? i mean, the biggest sickness here is hamas. so, look, i want nothing more than israelis and palestinians to live together in peace, but it will only come, and thank god joe biden has been clear about this, if both sides recognize their common humanity, and if we finally dismantle this terror organization, hamas. as you know what they say, hamas spokes people are on the record as saying they want to repeat october 7th again and again and again. i don't think it leaves israel, and i don't think it leaves the west with much of a choice. like we didn't have a choice with isis. we couldn't let them continue to rape and pillage and murder in syria. we didn't have much of a choice with al qaeda. we don't have much of a choice with hamas. >> ceo of the antidefamation league, jonathan greenblatt, great conversation. thank you. >> thanks. >> for coming on this morning. and we will see you again soon. and still ahead on "morning joe," an update on the israeli raid of gaza's largest hospital. the biden administration says hamas has used the facility to run its military operations and possibly store weapons. and republican congressman mike lawler of new york is our guest. we'll talk to him about this recent trip to israel and much more. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ask your doctor about breztri. i suffer with psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis. i was on a journey for a really long time to find some relief. cosentyx works for me. cosentyx hel real people get real relief from the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis or psoriasis. serious allergic reactions, severe skin reactions that look like eczema, and an increased risk of infections, some fatal, have occurred. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to or if ibd symptoms develop or worsen. i move so much better because of cosentyx. ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. you founded your kayak company because you love the ocean- not spreadsheets. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire please be a phone, please be a phone. is it a phone? 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what did you see and hear on the ground in israel? >> well, you know, we flew through london to get to tel aviv because state department would not allow us to stay overnight. and when we were in london, we went and toured churchill's war room. and in that moment, you know, you look back to world war ii and the lead up to world war ii. and i think what i took away is we must not be neville chamberlain in this moment. we must be winston churchill, a victory at all costs. this is a battle of good versus evil. what hamas did on october 7th was a vile, barbaric attack on innocent civilians. the difference between hamas and israel is very clear. hamas targeted innocent civilians, slaughtering, butchering women and children. israel is doing everything it can to avoid civilian casualty, but hamas is using innocent palestinians as human shields. and that is the difference. there is no moral equivalency here. we must be clear-eyed about this. we must be resolute in our support for israel. no one would ever tell the united states after 9/11 to enter into a cease fire, especially with a terrorist organization like al qaeda that was hell bent on the destruction of the united states of america. hamas, hezbollah, proxies of iran, they are hell bent on the destruction of israel, and we cannot stand idly by and let that happen. we went to israel, we met with the prime minister. we watched a 21-minute video of raw footage of the terrorist attack on october 7th, and i don't know how you could watch that film as members of congress did yesterday and walk away saying cease fire. >> so, congressman, part of being resolute in support from the united states point of view for israel is funding, as we have for so many years. that continuing resolution that did pass yesterday funded the government for a couple more months did not include support for israel. are you confident that you all will get there? because you have seen on the ground how important it is. >> yes, 1,000%. we need to provide funding to israel. obviously the house passed, you know, 14.3 billion in aid for israel. the senate and the house are going to have to negotiate quickly. and bring this to a resolution so that we can get israel the aid that it needs. i think what is important here to understand, israel has set up a corridor to allow for the safe passage of palestinians from the north to the south. israel has allowed for pauses so that aid, humanitarian aid can get into gaza. hamas is targeting its own civilians that are trying to pass from the north to the south. hamas has set up operation in hospitals and schools, putting their innocent civilians in harm's way. that is intentional. that is intentional. and we need to be very clear eyed about that, and understand that this is not an entity, not an organization that is willing to abide by a cease fire. there has been numerous cease fires over the last 15 years, each time broken by hamas. they are hell bent on destroying israel, and they must be wiped off the face of the earth. there can be no equivocation on that. and i think what people should understand, for instance, when they hear the 11,000 civilian death toll in gaza, that's false. that includes hamas terrorists. and we need to be clear about that. so people need to understand, you know, hamas is operating like baghdad bob did during the iraq war. you know, putting out falsities intentionally to mislead and to try and turn the world against israel, and we cannot let that happen. >> congressman, the vote yesterday was of course not the only thing happened on capitol hill. we want to get your response to a few other things that occurred. republican senator challenged a teamster's boss to a fight, chair comer called congresswoman moskowitz, somebody you have worked with repeatedly, and worked with, called him a smurf and a tennessee congressman saying kevin mccarthy elbowed him in the back and the two men almost had another physical altercation. just what is going on here? and what sort of message is this republican congress sending to the rest of the nation when something like this happens? >> look, i think obviously tensions are high on capitol hill. people need to remember why they're here. we're here to govern. we're here to do the business of the american people. there's a lot of work to do. i often tell people in my district when you serve on foreign affairs, when you serve on financial services and you see what is actually happening around the world, and you see what is happening here in the united states, and then you look at what we actually focus on in our two-party system, and frankly, the nonsense that goes on in washington, d.c. it's pathetic. we have a lot of work to do, and i think it's imperative that everybody put their big boy pants on and focus on the work at hand. >> would be nice, republican congressman mike lawler, thank you so much for coming on the show today. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thanks. hillary clinton has a new essay the atlantic, titled "hamas must go," they will sabotage any efforts to forge a lasting peace, and will never stop attacking israel. the biden administration is correct not to seek a full cease fire at this moment which would give hamas a chance to re-arm and perpetuate the cycle of violence. cease fires free conflicts rather than resolve them. israel's long-term security depends on its achieving peaceful coexistence with neighbors prepared to accept its assistance and need for security. the disaster of october 7th has discredited the theory that israel can contain hamas. ignore the legitimate aspirations of the palestinian people and freeze israeli control over palestinians forever. ultimately, the only way to ensure israel's future as a secure, democratic, jewish state is by achieving two states for two peoples. richard haass, hillary clinton has been on the record on this issue for years, but it's hard to achieve, obviously we would have a two-state solution if it was easy, what do you make of israel's response to a two-state solution? >> israel, particularly the most recent government led by prime minister netanyahu has done its best to undermine the prospects of that. they have weakened or the blocked the emergence of potential palestinian partners as recently as the other day. the prime minister says he does not see the palestinian authority having a role in terms of governing gaza. if you don't like hamas, that only leaves israel to be the occupying power and that can't be a long-term solution, so i think the former secretary of state clinton is on. it's the reason, mika, the other day talking about this, i think that president biden needs to go to israel. he needs to get on the floor of the knesset. he needs to go over the head of the prime minister and the government of israel, and he needs to address what hillary clinton was talking about. both how israel conducts this war but what comes after, and the only way to beat hamas, to basically marginalize those who say violence is the way to advance palestinian aspirations is to show there's a peaceful path. that means building a palestinian partner that's willing to coexist with israel. it means stopping the expansion of settlements, stopping settler violence against palestinians. it means getting serious about a palestinian dimension to the peace process. the so-called abraham accords, trying to bring saudi arabia on board. that's all good. it's necessary. it's not such. there's got to be a real palestinian path that totally marginalizes the groups like hamas. but we've got to show the palestinians who are willing to live in peace with israel. there is a way for them to advance their cause, and the israelis are not there. the united states has to get much more involved. we have to basically be much more forceful in this process? one more angle to all of this. dozens of israelis whose family members were captured by hamas last month are marching from tel aviv to jerusalem to demand the government do more to bring their loved ones home. the families and their supporters kicked off their march from an area dubbed hostages square yesterday. they plan to walk about 10 miles a day until they reach prime minister benjamin netanyahu's office where they will rally on saturday. just one question about this, richard, because it's hard to get any type of hostage transfer going on if you don't have a pause of some sort. we don't know necessarily where they are so any bombing that israel does could be on their own people. >> yeah, i don't think there's a military answer to the hostage tragedy. i don't think you're going to pommel hamas into letting them go. i don't think military commando-like raids are going to work for the most part. you're talking about exchanges, it's going to mean swaps and pauses. i think what president biden was suggesting, i think we're about to see some progress on that. >> let's hope. >> that will still, though, probably leave several hundred innocent people there. i'm sad to say, this is going to be a long, drawn out difficult process. from hamas's point of view, this gives them a degree of leverage, a bit of protection. they are using these people for their purposes. the problem is we don't have any israelis, don't have very good alternative ways of getting them freed other than these really difficult negotiations. >> richard haass, thank you very much, once again, for coming on this morning. and still ahead on "morning joe," democratic senator, raphael warnock is our guest. we'll talk to him about the big headlines from capitol hill, and his bipartisan bill to make insulin more affordable. up next, house minority leader hakeem jeffries joins the conversation to talk about how house democrats played a key role in passing a bill to avoid a government shutdown. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ht back. 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he said, law side of it. he was leading an attempted coup against the government. now he's the speaker of the house. >> he did and it appears he had a change of heart of donald trump. our friends at "the new york times" uncovered a facebook post, in which he says trump was unfit for duty, and was concerned, mike, if he was unhappy with a leader of another country he might just bomb that country out of vengeance, which doesn't seem that farfetched. johnson now, not only was he a driving force pushing the big lie legally, but now endorses trump and is clearly trying to wed himself to the head of the gop ticket. >> have you ever met him? >> i have not. and that's part of it. no one has. >> that's why i'm wondering, is he a composite ai figure, or is he real? when you see him on tv, is he real? who is he? nobody knows him. nobody knows his background. >> few republican lawmakers had few interaction with him. susan collins said she had to google him after he was nominated. he was never 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securing $16 billion in disaster assistance for the american people. we've done it in the context of avoiding a catastrophic default on our nation's debt that would have crashed the economy and triggered a job killing recession. this is the pattern house democrats will continue to follow for the american people. we have said repeatedly we're going to put people over politics. we don't just say it. we do it. and so we were able to come together and reach this continuing resolution that did three important things, no spending cuts, no hard right conservative policy changes, no government shutdown. >> leader jeffries, those are certainly three accomplishments but what has not been done yet, any aid to israel or to ukraine as well as border security in taiwan and others. we're now more than a month from the terror attacks, the october 7th terror attacks in israel. congress has still not sent a dime to our allies there. what happens now? do you have any sense as to when a supplemental may go forth? >> in my view, the most likely path forward is for the senate to continue to do its bipartisan work and find common ground in order to fund israel, fund ukraine, fund our allies in the indo-pacific, fund the border security requests that president biden has put forward, and make sure that we are funding humanitarian assistance for palestinian civilians who are in harm's way in gaza through no fault of their own and for civilians in other parts of the world. the senate has been in negotiation with each other, senate democrats and senate republicans, and it's my hope that sooner, rather than later, they'll reach an agreement, they'll send it to us in the house, and we can move expeditiously to send a bill to president biden's desk so we can get this done. we can get this done. >> jeffries, i am curious if anybody in your caucus ever shouted down anybody in your caucus and called them a smurf. >> we are concerned because our focus to be on solving problems for hard working america we will continue to fight for things like lower costs and to grow the middle class, and build an economy that works for everyday americans. these are the things we should be fighting for. republicans are fighting each other,fi literally. yesterday was another episode of republicans gone wild. unfortunately it wasn't the season finale, because we will continue toal see it. >> congressman jeffries, let's get back to ukraine. everything else going on in the world, ukraine is still out there, fighting an enemy with much more in terms of population growth. they can keep sending people into the front lines, russians every day, and ukraine cannot. they need us. what is the timetable for getting something done to help ukraine? >> it's an important question, and it's unfortunate that we were on the verge to supporting support to ukraine in september and then the rug was pulled out from under the ukrainian people when a continuing resolution was presented that cut out the bipartisan project, and it's a struggle for democracy versus autocracy, and we want to stand on the side of the ukrainian people because it's in america's national security interest. the challenge that we have is that there is a loud and growing pro-putin caucus in the house republican conference, and it's led by people like jim jordan and marjorie taylor greene and tucker carlson, and they are on the side of vladimir putin. that's why it's important for thes senate to act in a bipartisan way, sooner ran that later, send us a bill and i think the votes will exist in the house to get it done. >> leaders jeffries, i want to ask about the trump campaign, and they are positioning themselves with a 15-week abortion ban, and how do you carry on the driving force to get people to the polls next november? >> our view is simple. democrats support a woman's freedom to make her own reproductive health care decisions, and that's a contras with the others on the other side on the aisle, and they want to force government-mandated pregnancies, and we see in ohio, kentucky, pennsylvania, certainly, and virginia, there the american people understand that dynamic. nobody is buying the republicans are vying to moderate their position, and we are doing everything possible to stop it. >> you spoke at the d.c. march for israel, and more than 100,000 people showed up for support not only for israel but jews, and you led in the chant of never again, and you did everything to say we have to do everything to support israel, and you have been very strong in yourry support of israel and american jews since october 7th, and what do you say about your colleagues saying joe biden is responsible for genocide, these are democratic members of congress. >> i have made clear, i believe from the river to the sea is a dangerous chant, because effectively, as has been echoed by hamas, it's calling for the destruction of the state of israel. we will continue to support our close friend and ally, and we have a special relationship between the u.s. and israel, but it's also important to make the moral case for israel, which is the reality that for thousands of years jews have been ejected from country after country, subject to pain and persecution, and anti-semitic hatred, of course, and the horrors of the crime against humanity, and we should all find it in our hearts to make the case that in this world that there can be one country the size of new jersey as a jewish and democratic state, and as a safe haven for the jewish people. we want to get to a just and lasting peace where israelis and palestinians can live side by side and safety and security and prosperity, and dignity for the palestinian people, and dignity for everyone. >> some of your colleagues in the democratic side were calline for a cease-fire in israel. what is your reaction to that? do you think that's a good idea? >> i think the three things that need to happen are, one, israel has to bee, able to decisively defeat hamas. this 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>> lots of fights. >> childish behavior, and that's by republicans in both chambers. >> did you see that one guy, willie, get up and started to take off his ring. i am going to play by man rules. i'm taking off my ring and i'm going to fight you. bernie was one of the best ww -- bernie took control. >> yeah, bernie was the grown up in the room. he said you are a united states senator, sit down. and this senator from oklahoma persisted to try to physically fight the head of the labor union. >> just pathetic. >> a lot of news. by the way, the front page in the "wall street journal," this march in washington, just an incredible rally, not only for israel. some people say this is a rally for israel, and i think it's a rally for all jewish people under siege across the world, and sad, tragically, not just in israel and in gaza, but sadly for who we are as a people on some of our most elite college campuses. willie, i would love to tell you that, you know, word from my children and friends of my children are saying, hey, we are turning a corner and people are more -- no, they are not. the anti-semitism on college campuses, and here we are over a month later, it's gross and sickening and yet you have to hold the presidents of universities accountable, and -- i mean, the signs they are allowing to be put up, it's not free speech but it's hamas propaganda, and they allow our children's minds to be exposed to it. >> we have seen a small handful of the universities pushing back, some saying for 30 days you can't hold an event on the campus, and so yesterday the march were calling for the return of hostages. some are children and some senior citizens being held. this was about jewish people around the world and here in the united states feeling under siege. >> just a couple things. first of all, it's fine to -- i think we would all agree here that -- that rallying for the palestinians people, fine. i mean, the palestinian people have been treated horrible. you look at what assad did to the palestinians people, and the tens of thousands were killed by assad in syria, and they have been treated bad across the middle east by other countries. you look at 500,000 arabs slaughtered by assad, and it's bizarre that when arabs kill palestinians, well, gee, there are no protests. when assad kids tense of thousands of palestinians, no protest, and it's like, whatever, we don't care, leave us alone. but when there's a chance to attack jews, that's when everybody jumps up and it becomes a massive cause. we will talk about this right now. we are going to talk about the fact that it has been confirmed now, it has been confirmed that hamas is hiding their troops and their operations in hospitals. we have talked about this. willie, i just have to say that if a u.s. commander -- >> yeah. >> there's a moral ambiguity and moral confusion not only on college campuses but with elites across the west, and make no mistake, there's no confusion here. if a u.s. commander ever suggested or moved troops in a hospital to hide from the enemy, they would immediately be court-martialed and taken out of the command structure of the united states military and they would be dishonorably discharged. if just one did that. with hamas, that is that their strategy. we knew from the day the attacks came, they were going to go and hide behind civilians and they were going to hide in schools, and they were going hide in hospitals. we knew that. and that's exactly, willie, what has happened. again, "wall street journal" editorial page talking about it in their lead editorial, today in gaza hamas terrorists used the same war-time tactics that isis did in mosul. when isis was hiding in the hospital in mosul, and everybody thought it was the worst thing in the world, and now that hamas is doing it, it's not hamas getting criticized but it's the israeli people who are trying to root out the terrorists hiding in hospitals and have command centers in hospitals, because they want to be able to slot, beat, kill, behead israelis -- >> and torture families of the hostages -- >> -- and get away with it, because you know, hamas, you have to hand it to them, they know how cynical enemies of israel are. they knew they could rape women and burn grandmothers, and they knew they could shoot baby's bodies, and then they knew they could go hide in the population of gaza and the world would stop israel. they knew that. by the way, we said that here a month ago. that's exactly what has happened, willie. that's exactly what the world has called for. they are saying, you know, just, is a ease fire, just let them go ahead, kill your families, rape your daughters, shoot your children and burn your grandmothers, and just let it be. cease-fire. >> to your point the national security council in the united states said first time yesterday for the publicly that said, yes, hamas is hiding weapons, ammo, and people, civilians in the hospitals, putting themselves behind the civilians. the difference in which you are laying out, the israeli military, they put themselves between the enemy and the civilians, and hamas is a terrorists death cult put the civilians between them and themselves. fuel, hamas has fuel. they are using it to fight this war. they are using it to attack civilians and kill people in israel. they have fuel. they could be giving it to power the hospital, so people don't have to be taken off life support, and hamas has fuel but don't want to use it because they don't care about their own people. >> what if we said here from day one, when hamas kills a jew, that's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. >> uh-huh. >> when a palestinian baby dies because hamas holds the fuel so they don't power the generators for the hospitals where they are hiding, that's a bigger victory for hamas. it's a death cult. willie just put it best, in the united states our men and women in uniform put themselves between the civilians and the enemy, and hamas, that death cult, they do the opposite. they put civilians between people that are coming to bring justice to them for their terrorists acts, they put civilians between them and the people looking for them. >> we are also going to preview the high-stakes meeting today between president joe biden and chinese president xi jinping. along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire, and u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay joins us as well. big news, yesterday, a potential government shutdown in two days looking a lot less likely this morning after the house passed the unconventional stop-gap bill. the two-step plan was approved on the bipartisan vote of 336 to 95. >> did they kick the speaker out for this? >> they did not. >> that's why they were going to kick kevin mccarthy out. >> well, the move essentially punts the republican's spending plan until after the holidays. >> your first big bill, sir, how does it feel? >> it's to get the job done, and we will do it day by day. >> any concern about the republican -- >> we will get our team together. >> the measure does not include spending cuts or any policy add ons, and it does not include a supplemental package covering things like aid for israel or ukraine. >> so jonathan, back to the "wall street journal" editorial page, and they have an editorial saying meet the new speaker, same as the old speaker, and let me read this for a second, because i know it brings up the question we were all asking, which is, wait, if kevin mccarthy had done this, he would have been k speaker. "the wall street journal" editorial says, pop quiz, what is the difference between the bipartisan gap stop funding bill under johnson and the september equivalent passed by the former speaker, kevin mccarthy. answer, nothing but the self defeating republican drama. their goal was to elect a quote, committed conservative as speaker. the lack of rebellion this week from the republican rump is welcome, and the opposing two speakers this week was too much for them, and that's what it was, sound furry, and gestures signifying nothing but -- what did we say -- an attempt to get more hits on tiktok and more clicks and more $25-donations from -- they are going to get real conservative. what did they do? they got a guy that passed a bill the same way kevin mccarthy passed a bill because -- and this is important for the grown ups in the room -- it was the only way to pass the bill. >> yeah, there are a few things at play here. one is simply fatigue. i think there was a sense that republicans didn't want to go through another messing couple of weeks, ousting a speaker, shutting down the government. they didn't want to do that right now. we can talk separately about the wisdom and punting that fight into the election year, which they have done, and it goes to the president for his signature. johnson, you are right, he just did what costs mccarthy his job, and there's a sense among republicans that you have to give him time because he has only been on the job a couple weeks, and he has more maga credentials than mccarthy, and with mccarthy, it was personal with matt gaetz and others and that is something that led to his ousting and perhaps that's why mccarthy was in such a foul mood, which we will get to, that confrontation with a colleague on capitol hill. what it doesn't do is provide aid to ukraine or aid to israel or border security money or provide aid to taiwan. those will be issues going forward. >> let's bring in the founder of bunch bowl news. john, how did this play out yesterday? how did johnson get the victory that funds the government, and in your view what is different with in and what costs speaker mccarthy his job? >> well, mccarthy, look, a lot of the hard-line conservatives just didn't like mccarthy. they did not like him or trust him, and saw him more as a political operator than as a committee conservative, whereas if they see johnson, and he's a hard line conservative. he was involved in the legal cases in 2020. he's a devout christian. there's no challenging his religious beliefs. he's really a devout christian. he's one of them and that helped him. if you look at the vote from september 30th, which caused mccarthy to be ousted and the vote yesterday, it was essentially the same. there were 90 republicans that voted against that bill on september 30th, and now there were 93. it was literally the same bill. i do think this will give johnson more time to pass appropriation bills, or try to pass them. the senate will work on israel, ukraine, taiwan, border security package in december, and they will try to see if they can put something together and move it to the house, and then they will press ahead on the impeachment of joe biden and homeland security secretary mayorkas. but they will not be able to change the deal mccarthy cut back in may. when house republicans, you know, admit it, that's where they are going to have to be, and we will be able to fund the government without worrying about shutdowns. >> that would be nice. katty kay, your take, and jonathan said there were skirmishes breaking out across capitol hill, which we will show you in a bit. my god, tensions were running high. >> it's like a bunch of children up there on capitol hill at the moment. it's great they have been able to keep government open over the holidays, and that's wonderful news, but the fact that mccarthy was accused of elbowing something in the back could tell us everything about why johnson could get it through, and mccarthy could not. it doesn't occur that johnson is the kind of guy that would go and thump somebody in the back. and maybe it's as simple as they didn't like kevin. when you look at what this leads us into, and we have now the setup for the prospect of all of this having to be replayed in january, february, and earlier in the new year, those 93 republicans that voted against mike johnson effectively, what happens to them. i know he's calling himself an arch conservative, and how many more passes are they going to give him? >> i think he gets this one, and i don't see him getting another one. i don't think they will oust johnson even in january. i wouldn't bet on it now. where else do they go? we saw the 22 days it took them to get johnson in the first place. there's nobody in that conference, in the republican conference of the 221 members that could unite them and then get a vote like that. there's literally no one. johnson was the least offensive across the broad spectrum, and that's another thing he has got in his favor. again, you know, they -- mccarthy cut a deal in the may, and the senate is living with the deal and biden wants to live with that deal, and they will have to come back to that deal and deal with it. he's got leverage on ukraine. the president wants ukraine funding and that's a huge problem. he could put his speakership on the line, and this is a huge globally important issue. we will see what happens in december. this is not just about republic infighting, and what happens in congress plays out across the country and planet. these are really big issues. >> yeah, and equally as big an issue, katty kay, i like your cop because it matches mine. >> you guys called each other. >> we do that sometimes. >> sometimes you need it, you know, uniformity. >> it makes life simple. >> it does. that's why i wear the clothes in the morning i go to sleep in the night before. >> we do not do that. >> we mentioned it, but these republicans refuse to fund the southern border. they just refuse to. joe biden has put a lot of money out to fund the southern border, and a lot of money out to support israel, a lot of money out to support -- to stop russian tyranny, and these republicans just say no to stopping russian tyranny, and no to supporting israel and say no to funding the southern border. it's a real mess. coming up, we will go live to capitol hill where tensions erupted on tuesday. we will explain what caused the chaos straight ahead on "morning joe." liberty mutual customized my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. 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kevin, you got any guts? jerk. >> has he done that before? >> no. >> that's a new move. >> hey, kevin, why did you elbow me in the back? the reporter said it right there. what kind of chicken move is that. you are pathetic, man. you are so pathetic. >> and claudia joins us now. that happened in front of you, and they knew you were in the middle of an interview. you were rolling. >> it's kind of like work in the middle school cafeteria, except these are the people that lead our country. tell us about it. >> yeah, it was very stunning. this is a tradition tuesday morning where republicans meet in the basement area, and we often talk with members as they pull off to the side of this hallway, and burchett had done the same, and came to the side to talk to me, and he said one sentence to me before he was shoved. he lurched into me. we were about two feet apart, and he probably lurched about a foot in front of me. it was a shocking moment. i look over and see it's mccarthy and his detail, and they are not stopping at all during that entire confrontation. mccarthy is looking back to respond to burchett and deny it, and even chuckling at one point when burchett was saying you are a pathetic man. it was stunning. i kept repeating to him and others, i cannot believe i just saw that. >> it was a shove from the former speaker to burchett? >> he was shoved, because he lurched into me. it was clear to me, and initially i thought it was a joke, and then a few seconds passed before i realized it was not a joke at all. >> and then mccarthy joked about it, say it it was a shot to the kidneys. >> i did not kidney bunch him or -- >> you did shove him? >> no, if i hit somebody, they would know i hit them. >> come on, i will take a polygraph test and have kevin take a polygraph test. >> are you hurt? >> no, i am okay, and you have $17 million in a security detail and can still be a bully. >> just taking a broad shot at southern california. it's not the first time mccarthy has been accused of hitting a fellow republican, as adam said. you wrote, i thought congress could not get dumber, and then today happened. >> sorry, we just reading your next tweet that said, please, god, make the stupid stop. >> we had a fight going on with the head of the teamsters, and then the democrat from california was calling somebody a liar and a smurf. yesterday was a hurricane of stupid. i think part of it, the house has been in session for ten straight weeks, and joe knows this, and they get restless -- >> no, no, no. there's not an excuse for physical violence. i mean, come on. >> i am just saying that weird things happen. >> yeah. >> i think there's a couple broader issues here. first, it's the coursening of american politics, and in the donald trump era, you have trump going out and saying what he has done and everything. you can't dismiss this post january 6th. you have paul pelosi, his attacker is on trial right now. when people do these stupid incidents, you all know it, it gets blown up on social media and when the public sees it they take it as reality, that this is okay, political violence is okay, and this is what happens when members are shot at at malls. steve scalise. stuff you can't just start this with a little thing and not expect it to blow up into a big thing out in the public. >> and you had donald trump a couple days ago mocking paul pelosi, a guy in his 80s that almost got beat to death, and donald trump is making jokes about it. you had a republican member of congress beat up a reporter -- beat up a reporter a few years ago for asking a question about health care reform. what did donald trump do? he praised him -- >> that's correct -- >> -- for beating up a reporter. of course, this follows, and you see in the house, thank god we have the house of lords, we have the upper chamber where people -- you know, it's the most exclusive club in the world. >> a brawl nearly broke out during a hearing, and again, these are our leaders. the republican from oklahoma challenged the president of the teamster's union to a fight. >> sir, this is a time and this is a place, you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults and finish it here. >> you want to do it now. >> i would love to. >> stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up -- >> sit down. >> you are a united states senator. >> you are focused on -- you are focused on a debate that is not relevant. you are an embarrassment. you are an embarrassment to the state of oklahoma. >> i can't even -- i can't even. >> yeah, willie, i'm leaving the teamster alone. i'm letting him be. shawn and all of shawn's irish brothers, i'm not getting close to him and he looks like he can handle himself quite well. >> it's like the anchor man scene, when they come out and join the fight. >> how about bernie? >> there's a backstory here. these two guys have been going at it on social media, i guess, since back in june. mullen first challenged the teamster's president to a fight, and that was in response to a tweeted where the union boss referred to mullen as a clown and fraud as they went back and forth, and for the first time they saw each other face-to-face and said, let's do it now. >> and then shawn o'brien of massachusetts on the other side of that confrontation. yeah, this was worked up on social media, and we saw the senator pulling off his rings because he was going to throw down. it can't be said enough, credit to bernie sanders, and he called it into recess. it cooled down, except it didn't because the senator went on television last night saying he is happy to throw down anytime. >> and senator mullen in that interview, he said in the past, 1856, you could cane each other. >> and rick bobby is two names. the senator has three names. >> do you think claudia is glad she came on this morning? >> there are lots of fights breaking out here, and katty, this is seen by americans, and thank god nobody brought a trident to the fight. these are the people that are supposed to govern us, and it's governing by gesture. the "wall street journal," they talked about the drama -- oh, october exhibitionism. >> mika, did you notice it was all men involved in that? just putting that out there. well, he said, i get into fights all the time, and when i do people know i floored them on the ground, as if that's a mitigating factor. it's embarrassing. bernie sanders, thank god, and he's from the old school of how things are done, and the worry is there's the old school of how things are done, and bernie sanders says you are in the united states senate, and then now you hear people talking about civil war and you hear the former president saying at rallies that people should be punched if people heckle him at a rally in 2016. it gets into the ether and becomes normalized, and it leads to the kinds of scenes we saw yesterday. pathetic. coming up live, we will go to san francisco for today's face-to-face meeting between president biden and chinese president xi. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. with original medicare you're covered for hospital stays and doctor office visits, but you'll have to pay a deductible for each. a medicare supplement plan pays for some or all of your original medicare deductibles, but they may have higher monthly premiums and no prescription drug coverage. humana medicare advantage prescription drug plans include medical coverage, plus prescription drug coverage. and coverage for dental, vision, and hearing, all wrapped up into one convenient plan. plus, there's a cap on your out-of-pocket costs! humana has large networks of doctors, hospitals and specialists across 49 states. so, call or go online today and get your free decision guide. humana - a more human way to healthcare. it's not just designed to look good. it's built to command attention. it's not just a comfortable interior. it's a quiet refuge. ♪ ♪ they're not just headlights. they light the way forward. the fully electric audi q8 e-tron. ♪ ♪ (vo) in three seconds, pam will decide... 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and the headline is why xi never brags about the economy. that's the swagger he used to have that he will not bring to the meeting today. >> yeah, this is a relationship that has been deteriorating for several years, and both sides have an interest in establishing what the president always calls a floor, and the united states military doesn't have a military-type of crisis, we have our hands full, and doesn't want china helping russia with ukraine, and fentanyl, and china's economy is in bad shape. what they are looking for is no more u.s. pressure on their economy. they don't want new sanctions or new technology controls and so forth. the two sides have different agendas. china is economic and ours is political and military, and both sides want to stable a relationship, and there will be a floor and we will see how strong it is and how long it will last, and all things being equal, i think it will stop the deterioration in the relationship. we will see for how long. the same thing happened a year ago in bali. they established what they thought was a floor then, and then balloons showed up in the united states, and the floor did not last. we will see how it goes. >> mike, it is, because of the economic problems china has been having over the last couple of years, and they have steadily declined over the last two years, and a lot of news reports, a lot of foreign policy analyst saying that we could actually get some significant things out of this summit, and by significant, again, just relaunching this relationship, relaunching a baseline on security, on taiwan, and going back to what was the status quo on that issue, and we have already seen both sides talking about progress on environmental issues as well. this would have been a far different summit six months ago than we hopefully will see today. >> yeah, joe, apparently the key word you just mentioned is baseline. a baseline for the relationship between china and the united states, and we will see from the get go what happens here. it will be clearly evident in what we see on tv when the first meeting occurs. richard, how does a rlationship with china improve when china is knowingly flooding america with fentanyl. the united states, obviously, sensibly, is busy putting together relationships with australia and places. >> you want to improve relations, the definition, mike, is something more modest. we need to avoid china arming russia. we don't want china to do things in the middle east to make things there more difficult. if beyond that we can get limited improvement on fentanyl, re-establishing military to military communication, where if there's an incident it doesn't escalate, because china is on the economic side, and we have to be modest here. this is a relationship that has not found a definition for itself. it's highly competitive, and the question is can you avoid having the competition spill over into something conflictional. we are not going to get chinese help on north korea -- >> china has 1.4 billion people, and the estimates are over the next 75 years, china will go from 1.3, 1.4 billion to something on the order of 800 million. a massive decline. the ratio of those working to those retired is moving in the wrong direction. a lot of young people, the best and the brightest are leaving, and that's a problem, and they are talking about chinese malaise. what xi jinping has done, you strengthen the government and communist party, but it has had an effect on the society, and he wants to make a deal to make sure they maintain political control, and china is paying a price for this. we used to argue china is 10 feet tall, and we realize they are not, and also china that has difficulties at home is not an easier china to deal with abroad. that's the challenge facing us. coming up, we will speak with the senator from georgia, and he's leading a bipartisan push to lower the cost of a key medicine used by millions of americans, but can he get it through congress? 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>> this is a time, this is a place. you want to run your mouth, we can finish it here. >> you want to punch me right now. you want to punch me right now, but you won't. >> you want to do it now? >> i would love do it right now. >> stand your butt up. >> you stand your butt up. >> why don't you do it? why don't you punch me in the face? >> stop it. >> sit down. you are a united states senator. act it. sit down, please. >> my god, it's hard to tell which were the movie scenes and which were real life. if you are just joining us from the west coast, the antics on capitol hill, republican antics were off the hook. a live report from the tensions -- about the tensions in both chambers yesterday, plus a preview of today's summit between president biden and china's president xi. a live report from peter alexander traveling with the president. we will be joined by the deputy mayor of jerusalem. following yesterday's massive rally for israel in washington. rafael war knockwarnock is . welcome to "morning joe why the why the. joining the conversation we have jonathan la moo. the team work was short lived as tensions between lawmakers boiled over into several altercations in the nation's capitol. a crazy day on the hill yesterday. >> reporter: it was. lawmakers have been here for ten weeks straight. that's a long stretch for them. a lot of long days, long nights working after the ouster of kevin mccarthy. that probably contributed to tempers flaring yesterday. >> the bill is passed. >> reporter: congress is one step closer to avoiding a government shutdown with the house passing a short-term funding bill with bipartisan support and days to spare before the deadline. >> get the job done. >> reporter: the bill which heads to the senate would keep the government funded through early next year. it frees up lawmakers to leave town for thanksgiving later this week, a badly needed break as tensions among lawmakers reached a boiling point on tuesday. >> it shocked me more than anything. >> reporter: this tennessee republican who voted to oust kevin mccarthy claiming the former speaker shoved him while he was being interviewed. >> he elbowed me in the kidneys. it was 100% on purpose. eight of us voted against him. >> reporter: mccarthy calling it purely accidental. >> if i kidney punch him, he would be on the ground. >> reporter: hearings heated, too. previous social media taunting between teamsters president sean o'brien and oklahoma senator and former mma fighter mark mullin nearly turned a health committee meeting into a cage match. >> this is the time, this is the place, you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting adults, we can do it now. >> stand your butt up. >> stop it. >> is that your solution? >> sit down. sit down. you are a united states senator. act it. sit down, please. >> unlikely referee, 82-year-old bernie sanders intervening. senator mullin is unapologetic. lawmakers are eyeing a long thanksgiving break. being away from one another, something they will likely all be thankful for. >> there are dumb days on capitol hill and there are dumber days on capitol hill. this is one of the dumbest i have seen in a long time. >> reporter: we're glad patrick mchenry is talking to reporters again. he summed it up nicely. about that funding bill, the work of the government, the senate will likely vote on it either today, more likely tomorrow. we're all hoping no more october ga nairian senators are needed to prevent further violence on the hill. >> bernie sanders, you gotta love him keeping it peaceful. have you ever seen anything like this? do you think this will have any impact? it feels a little bit like more of what we have seen, quite frankly. this is just analysis on my part. i would love to hear yours. since donald trump came to town. >> yesterday's antics took a little bit more of a wwe over the top quality. it's not unusual to see one of these incidents every couple of months, especially recently. especially with lawmakers here for long stretches of time and they get incredibly sick of one another. to see this building up yesterday -- there was another incident we didn't include in the piece. comber called a lawmaker a smurf. an attack line in a hearing. i do think the parties have gotten further divide and further at each other's throats. internally, as the kevin mccarthy showed, people could use time off to cool their jets. >> yeah. thank you very much. let's go to don hallman. what do you make of it? i can't even begin. the smurf analogy and the shouting down of lawmakers to one another. actual physical altercations, this seems surprising. >> the set of "morning joe" has been a place of peace and love and often -- >> it actually is. >> good feelings. i walked out this morning here and i saw mike taking his rings off. he and jonathan were about to throwdown. >> like the senate fight club. >> that's right. look, i mean, you can't overstate how little americans pay attention to politics and how little they care about what goes on on capitol hill, how much they think they're all a bunch of idiots. every once in a while it reaches a level that it breaks through to the american people. they have more important things to think about. one of those moments, snl put republican house back benchers when they were going through the speaker drama. snl cold openers would have a presidential nominee, a president, a vice president. now you have people no one cared about, they have reached the level where they broke through and they are a national joke. this is the kind of thing that perpetuates that. mike knows because they are -- normal americans, they are not paying attention. but when snl is making fun of lauren boebert and stuff like this, stuff that will be on snl this weekend, it gets to where it has political consequences for the house. everyone in america who doesn't want to pay attention now has this image of the republican party on capitol hill being ungovernmentable. it's stuff normal people understand. it's easy to mock it. but it's a thing that will stick to the republicans. people will be like, those are the guys who were trying to get in fights and hearings. those are the guys who couldn't find a speaker. those are the guys, those are the guys -- and gals. it's a thing where they have made themselves into a laughing stock. >> wait. i don't think gals would -- i'm just saying. i don't think -- any woman would -- >> in the larger picture. not yesterday. i'm saying, there are women in the republican party you would acknowledge who took part in the earlier dysfunction. >> yes. >> i'm making a larger point about the fact there are women in the republican party, including in the house caucus, that have behaved poorly. not yesterday. no women involved yesterday. >> weeks ago, marjorie taylor greene did challenge -- >> that's all different now. >> one of the unfortunate aspects of this could be, sean o'brien, the teamster president who the senator wanted to fight yesterday -- >> my money would have been on him. >>his origins are from boston. he was head of local 25. it's a rather famous/infamous local in teamsters history. another unfortunate aspect of this could be that the senator's address in oklahoma, christmas is coming, that requires a lot of package deliveries, driven by teamsters truck drivers. there could be a lot of missing christmas packages not under the tree in the senator's oklahoma home. that's an unfortunate possibility. >> oklahoma children going without their christmas presents because of this. let's move on. today, president biden is set to meet with chinese president xi in california. this is the first time the two leaders are speaking face to face since their meeting last year in indonesia. joining us now from san francisco, peter alexander. peter, what can we expect legitimately to come out of this meeting? >> good morning. for president biden, today's summit is an opportunity to restore one of the world's most consequential relationships, a tense rivalry that as we have been witnessing has been spiraling downward in recent years. for president xi, this is his first visit to the united states in six years. last one, 2017 when he was at mar-a-lago with former president trump. both sids will present opportunities and risks. their first visit in a year. president biden and china's president xi arriving in san francisco. ahead of today's summit between the world's two biggest economic superpowers. >> what we're trying to do is change the relationship for the better. >> reporter: the president detailing his desire to stabilize the relationship. >> get back on normal course of corresponding, able to talk to one another if there's a crisis, being able to make sure our militaries have contact with one another. >> reporter: tensions have escalated since the last meeting punctuated by the u.s. shooting down the chinese spy balloon and a collapse in military to military talks. downplaying the likelihood of major break throughs, white house advisors are emphasizing their effort to manage competition between the two. so it doesn't fall into conflict. >> the way we achieve that is there intense diplomacy. that's how we clear up misperceptions and avoid surprises. >> reporter: among the thorniest issues, china's ties to russia and iran, its approach toward taiwan and disputes over the theft of technology, hacking and trade. one possibility for new cooperation on the opioid crisis where the president is hoping to establish a joint partnership to tackle the illegal flow of fentanyl from china. china's president faces his own domestic challenges, specific economic struggles back in china. youth unemployment in that country, more than 20%. there's a critical housing crisis right now. this for him is also a day where he is hoping to try to lure back american businesses to beijing. what's been striking is just how nothing has been left to chance here. this is a very highly choreographed visit. the u.s. has been spending months trying to reduce tensions with china right now, which is why everything is choreographed from what president xi sees out the window of his motorcade to the camera angles he is shot at during today's meeting. for the u.s., they are equally invested in president xi leaving here viewing this visit as a success. >> nbc's peter alexander, thank you very much for your reporting this morning. what reporting can you add to this, jonathan? president biden is operating on a number of levels globally. >> there's no question there. there's hope for some small agreements that can come out of this meeting. on fentanyl, perhaps on climate change. importantly, to resume the two militaies speaking to each other. that has not happened in nearly a year. senior white house aides tell me this is to bring the temperature down, to restore the relationship to where it was a year ago. the last time they met. it was on the sidelines of the g20 in bali. as the president said, to kind of ease the communications between the two nations. obviously, a tenuous spot globally. the u.s. would like to get this under control so they can focus on ukraine, they can focus on the situation in the middle east. i do think we will hear from president biden nudging his chinese pry va vie vat -- privately on iran. the u.s. is concerned they might step in with their proxy groups. i think we will see the president try to push xi to keep tehran under control. president biden was in san francisco last night where during a fund-raiser, he accused former president trump of echoing nazis for using the word vermen to describe his political rivals. trump made the remark on veterans day. >> we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, fascists and rat cal left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. the threat from outside forces is far ls sinister, dangerous and grave th t threat from within. >> speaking to donors at a campaign event yesterday, biden said, vermin is a specific phrase with a specific meaning. it echos language you heard in nazi germany in the 1930s. sn't even the ftime. trump also talked about, quote, the blood of america is being poisoned. the blood of america is being poisoned. again, it echos the same phrases used in nazi germany. biden warned donors a second trump term in office would amount to a presidency of revenge and retribution. we have talked about that a lot here. i think the first time around, maybe a lot of people thought, he is just kidding, he is just not serious. we know he is serious now. we have seen what he can do. in this next trump administration, if he were to win the presidency again, there would be a lot more planning in the hiring of people that would follow his orders. >> there was already a lot more planning. they have a whole team working on what the next administration will look like if donald trump gets elected. in 2016 and 2017, there was no transition. no one expected trump to win. it was one of the most chaotic transitions in history. they have plans. we have seen them in a variety of ways. some are on -- a lot are alarming, whether they are as grotesquely alarming as some of the things trump said in materials of targeting specific people who have been -- he regards as betrayed him or turned against him or more general things. the notion that they are trying to put together a team of lawyers to run the administration where they think the federalist society are right -- those guys have some -- they are looking for lawyers who will do what donald trump wants and says. it's all interlocking. this is trump who is going -- is announced that he will -- it's the retribution campaign. people are in the category of the targets should be concerned about what he plans to do. especially when you layer on some of the rhetoric, which is lifted in a way that is not -- there's no mistake here. this rhetoric is lifted by people who are -- donald trump has a lot of idiots who work for them. they know when they lift the language of hitler, they know what they are doing. they pretend they don't but they do. it's as alarming as anything we have seen from donald trump because he is telling us the administration he will run. nobody should assume that he is not perfectly serious and literally serious about what he plans. >> we have learned to believe him. joining us now, rafael warnock of georgia. you are here to talk about the cost of insulin. we will do that. on this topic, senator, i'm curious what you make of the echos of nazi talk by candidate trump, and also this -- these skirmishes among your republican counterparts on capitol hill and in congress where they are physically going after each other and threatening each other. do you see a connection? do you have any concerns? >> good morning. it's good to be here with you. listen, i wish that this 2024 election were about who has the best plan to make sure that our children can get childcare, so that parents can get to work. that's important. i'm focused on that. the cost of prescription drugs, i'm focused on that. the cost of college so that students can get a good education and not have a mortgage before they have a mortgage. this election is really about the future of the american democratic project. what we witnessed yesterday in the congress is deeply concerning. it feels like the american people are being held captive to a kind of tragic comedy that's more tragic than comic. it should concern everybody who is paying attention. >> good morning. yesterday, the house passed a continuing resolution that will keep the government open for a time. that's expected to go to you and your senate colleagues today or tomorrow. what's not involved is any sort of funding for ukraine or for israel, taiwan, border security and the like. that's supplemental that the white house had put forth. what is your -- tell us what happens next. is the senate going to add this? what is your level of concern that the u.s. is leaving its allies out to dry? >> we're witnessing again those who don't really believe in government, they don't seem to mind shutting the government down. we will get the bill over here, and we will do everything we can to keep the government open. i'm focused on all of the things you mentioned. we have to make sure we provide aid to israel and humanitarian aid to palestinians. i'm concerned about that situation. the situation in ukraine is not just about the ukrainians. it's about our own national security. at the same time, we have to make sure we provide support for our veterans, that we strengthen the crisis in our childcare sector and a whole range of concerns. there are short-term and long-term objectives. what you will see the senate focused on is hopefully keeping the government open. that we will do on a bipartisan basis. >> senator, yesterday you and republican john kennedy of louisiana released a joint report highlighting the need to lower insulin prices for all americans. the report comes after you both introduced a bill earlier this year to cap insulin prices at $35 a month. people are paying so much more than that. it is life saving. what's the solution? does this do it? >> absolutely. we have the solution. i can tell you that i have seen up close the problem of diabetes, first of all, as a pastor. i can't tell you how many bedsides have stood next to over the decades. i have seen the tragic complications that come with unmanaged diabetes. the amputations, the dialysis when the kidneys fail, the blindness. insulin was invented 100 years ago. the patent was sold for $1. what we have seen in recent years is big pharma taking advantage of the situation. when you need insulin, you need insulin. which is why i'm proud in the inflation reduction act, we passed my provision, which capped the cost of insulin for folks on medicare to no more than $35 per month of outf pocket costs. we were trying to get it. i was trying to get it for both the insure and uninsured as well, which is why i'm proud that earlier this year my republican partner, john kennedy and i have introduced the latest version of this bill, which will cap the cost of insulin for folks who have insurance and those who do not have insurance. yesterday, we unveiled this report, which speaks about what we call insulin deserts. these are places throughout our country, but especially in the south and southeast, where you see the tragic convergence of high rates of diabetes and high rates of uninsured people. the bill that we have introduced addresses this problem. it's a problem we can solve for a fraction of the cost that we spend in the united states just dealing with the hospitalizations from the complications related to diabetes. it's the right thing to do. it's the smart thing to do. i'm hopeful we will get it done this year. >> senator, insulin at $35 per prescription would be a life saving gift to millions of people in this country. my question to you is, why is it taking so long to get this done? what about the power of the pharmaceutical industry? are they that powerful? >> i think we saw in the last few months that over the last year the impact that we can have on the private sector when we do our jobs here in the congress. we capped the cost of insulin of out of pocket costs for folks on medicare. what we saw was that in the private sector, i think responding to that pressure, they began to put some caps in place on their own. we would be foolish to not recognize that those caps can be rescinded at any time, which is why i'm pushing forward this bill. it will ensure that insulin is affordable for everybody in america who needs it. there's a reason why you see a bipartisan push to do this, because it makes sense. john kennedy, my republican partner has more diabetics in his state than i have in georgia. there's a reason why you have seen half of the states have capped insulin. we need do it at the federal level and ensure that people like lacy mcgee, a young graduate student i have gotten to know, who found herself while in graduate school having to meet up with people in facebook groups and in dim parking lots to get borrowed insulin from friends whose relatives have died. that should not happen in the united states of america. the good news even in these tragic times is that this is a problem we can solve. we really ought to do it this year. >> senator, thank you very much. >> glad to be here. >> good to have you. coming up, we will go through the latest developments on of gaza where israeli troops have raided a hospital which hamas has been using for its military operations. and the deputy mayor of jerusalem is out guest next on "morning joe." out guest next on "morngni joe." he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? 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>> first of all, i think everybody in israel, the government, the people are so grateful by the unequivocal support by president biden. from the beginning, understood what evil looks like with the horrible massacre and with the hostages being taken, including 5-month-old children, 84-year-old grandmothers. not just by words, but by action. yesterday, i was at -- i was lucky enough to be at that rally. we saw essentially bipartisan support for israel. people unequivocally saying, this is evil. people who take hostages who are children and innocent civilians are evil. i think that is very comforting for the state of israel and for its people to understand that our best friend, the united states, is behind us. >> also there was a march in israel. the family members of the hostages and friends and people, loved ones who support them. some of them didn't have very kind words for prime minister benjamin netanyahu. they seem extremely frustrated to say the least. what do they want from him? can he give them what they need? >> look, imagine your family member has been taken, your child. i don't want to begin to imagine. you are already sad, traumatized, frustrated. you want to make sure your government is doing everything possible, it's not leaving any stone unturned. i think what the families want to make sure is that the main priority of the outcome of this war -- we didn't start it, we didn't want -- is the return of the hostages. of course, one of the aims of the war is the dismantling of the terrorist group leading and governing gaza. the families are there to ensure the government does not forget that also bringing back their loved ones should be a top priority in the results of this horrific war. >> you are the deputy mayor of jerusalem. you live in jerusalem. rockets still fall from the sky aimed at killing jews. >> yes, we are under attack. >> we live in a country where hamas -- the linkage between hamas and hamas as a terrorist group has not been made. what goes through your mind when you hear americans in the street screaming for a cease-fire? >> i think -- first of all, i want to believe that there's a lack of understanding rather than malice. unfortunately, we have seen there's a mixture. you have the people who have always been anti-semitic. we're just smoking them out. when 24 hours after the massacre, when we are still discovering the details, you have people blaming israel for everything. you have student rights groups saying that it's all israel's fault, not even 24 hours after the massacre. it's still going on for part of the day. there's something more here than we don't want war. there's something more malicious. i think there's a combination of people who don't understand israel is at war, that we have a quarter of a million displaced people in our country, that we have rockets falling continuously. we have grandmothers running to shelters, my children running to shelters. in bethlehem, 90% muslim/arab, they don't care who they are hitting. i want to believe the best case scenario there's a misunderstanding, we live in this hash tag generation where people don't understand what free palestine is. at worst, i know there's a lot of anti-semitism, anti-semitic philosophy on campuses and being touted as legitimate. when people say from the river to the sea, do they understand it means the annihilation of us? that's what you are saying. i want to believe most people don't understand it. unfortunately, part of me does understand that there's a lot of malice and anti-semitism. >> tell us about what it's like at home, in jerusalem, in israel. the national mood, if you will. as you sat down, you reiterated what a small country it is and how everyone has been touched by this. >> everybody is affected. it's a small country. less than 10 million people. we know people. for example, in jerusalem, you had my good friend rachel goldberg here yesterday whose son has been taken hostage. people don't understand his best friend was killed. he was killed as a hero because they were in a shelter. the hamas cowards were throwing in grenades. he was throwing people back. imagine the courage it takes. that boy died. that boy lives a kilometer from my house. my kids know his kids. people are going to funerals. everybody is affected. i think for the first three, four days, we were in shock and deep depression. how could this have happened here? we have a state of israel precisely so that these brutalities don't happen to our people. what we saw in the holocaust. then we kind of kicked into action, defiance, resilience. that's where we are right now. we are busy 24 hours a day in order not to pause and reflect on the horrific things that have happened to us. >> the biden administration stood by israel in a steadfast way. it is clear the biden administration thinks in the long run there needs to be a two-state solution and are making that clear that long-term occupation is not in israel's best interest. how do you feel about the totality of what you are hearing so far from joe biden and his team? >> i think we're very impressed and we're happy. i will tell you what, there's no appetite in israel to go back and occupy gaza. this is another misunderstanding. we left gaza in 2005 unilaterally. for one reason. we believe in the self-determination of the palestinian people. we left in order for them to have the opportunity to build that state. they keep saying they want. they could have turned that -- the most beautiful peace of land on the mediterranean coast, into dubai, into singapore. they turned it into beirut. are we responsible for the fact they can't govern themselves or they invite iran to their backyard or that maybe -- maybe they don't want a state but what they want is a destruction of our state. that's a philosophical discussion that the world hasn't had. do they want a state when we have given them five, six opportunities, two generous peace deals. we gave autonomy to the palestinian authority of the west bank. people don't understand that 94% of palestinians in the west bank are under palestinian authority rule. you could argue what should happen with that. it's under their control. are we responsible for their genocidal corrupt governance? do they want a state? i believe in the self-determination of the palestinian people. do they believe in my jewish self-determination? >> deputy mayor of jerusalem, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," southern california residents are bracing for weeks of even longer commutes after a massive fire forced a portion of a los angeles freeway to close. we will tell you how long officials say it will take to repair. coming up, actor jeremy strong will join us coming off his role in "succession." he will discuss his new role on broadway. 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>> it has been adapted a bunch of times before. one of my favorite adaptations is actually the movie "jaws" which is an adaptation of "the enemy of the people," which is a little known fun fact. what makes it different this time is just how relevant and present it all feels and, so we're trying to strip it back, keep it really simple, and keep the focus on the actors and the words and tell a story that's always relevant but maybe especially so right now. >> so jeremy, you're one of the ak fors. i won't try to re-create mika's introduction just now. why -- what drew you to this particular project? >> yeah, it's a play written in 1882, is that right? but in so many ways, it's forecasted the political, social, ecological crises that we face now, and the play really touches on the third rail of so many things that we're experiencing in our society and in our world. a man discovers that the water source of the town's health spa is essentially poisonous, and it becomes about trying to confront the powers that be who have an interest in protecting the economy and choose instead to allow the town to be poisoned to protect the status quo. so i think, you know, it's a play about so many things, climate, activism, political extremism, the court of public opinion. i mean, you name it. >> seemingly ripped from the headlines. is that timelessness or should i say the timeliness of it that drew you to it as well? >> yeah, it's like a little allegory from a long time ago that can teach us a lot about our current moment. ipson was ahead of his time about a lot of things, and in this play, he spoke some things that i feel like a contemporary audience could really get a lot out of hearing. really when you ask like what drew me to it. what drew me to it was thinking about jeremy playing this character. i re-read the play last year, and i knew he was finishing up his job on "succession", and i was like i got to send this play to him because it's a part he would really bring alive. so it was the confluence of the right actor for the right role in a moment that felt like it could really use this play. >> you know, amy, i read the ipson play when i was in high school. that's 97 years ago now. but it seems to me despite all the descriptions from jeremy and jonathan and sam about the play, isn't it at the end of the day just about truth? you get punished for telling the truth, and it's a sort of version of trumpism today, fake news, you know, it's fake news that jeremy is pushing out there as the doctor in the town. isn't that the core of the play? >> yeah, i think that's right. it becomes a battle over the truth and what truth is, and trumpism also, you know, what we've just been through with covid where there was just this countrywide battle over what the basic facts were that became so politicized that it became impossible to sort of engage with any narrative without feeling the kind of tribalism and the politics around, we lost track of what truth could even be, and this is a story of one man who's really trying to hold that line and remain, you know, maintain a direct relationship with the truth, which i think is something that's so difficult for people to do today. >> it's a play that examines sort of what is truth without power and what is power without truth the. i think in 2017 trump used the term enemy of the people tweeting it about the fake news media, abc, nbc, cbs, the failing "new york times" and cnn, and it was the first time a leader had invoked that phrase, which has a lot of very heavy historical connotations. but it certainly goes right into that examination of truth and the sort of mirror world that we find ourselves in where truth is inverted and where the existence of objective truth is suddenly in question. >> yeah, so timely. "an enemy of the people" opens march 18th at broadway's circle in the square theater. tickets are on sale now. jeremy strong, amy herzog and sam gold, thank you all so very much for coming in. i know this is early for y'all. we appreciate it. that does it for us this morning, ana cabrera picks up the coverage in two minutes. rag. ♪everything i do that's for my health is an accomplishment.♪ ♪concerns of getting screened faded away♪ ♪to my astonishment.♪ ♪my doc gave me a script i got it done without a delay.♪ ♪i screened with cologuard and did it my way.♪ cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪i did it my way!♪ lowering bad cholesterol can be hard, even with a statin. diets and exercise add to the struggle. today, it's possible to go from struggle to cholesterol success with leqvio. with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by 50% and keep it low with 2 doses a year. common side effects were injection site reaction, joint pain, and chest cold. ask your doctor about twice-yearly leqvio. lower. longer. leqvio® right now on "ana cabrera reports," we are following breaking news out of gaza. israel launching a targeted operation inside al-shifa

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