tonight on ayman, taking a stand at last. donald trump is about to become the first former president to testify publicly under of. how this will test our legal and judicial systems alike. that wake up call. senate republicans are finally condemning monthslong tommy tuberville's blockade of military promotions. what took them salon? and all eyes on ohio. reproductive rights are on the line this tuesday with a constitutional amendment to protect abortion access on the ballot. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. >> tomorrow, donald trump will become the first former president in american history to publicly testify under oath, taking the witness stand in his own defense in his new york civil fraud trial. it will undoubtedly prove to b a surreal test, ye for the u.s. justice system, with judge engoron and the prosecutors who are actually working this case. but it will actually be one for trump himself, a man whose bombastic nature, shall we say, a penchant for half truths will be restrained before perhaps like neverefore. as lauren camera writesor u.s. news and world report, the case threatens to expose the g republican nominee and ovide a record setting course correct, likely an embarrassing one, to the image and identity he cultivated for himself over several decades. donald trump is on the stand. he won't be tough london, that's for sure. the pugnacious standard bearer of the republican party for a small sliver of time, donald trump will be nothing more than a disgraced real estate magnate accused of inflating the value of his assets by billions of dollars in order to obtain more favorable bank loans. he will be a man whose blustered lies have finally have repercussions, but it seems that reality has not yet dawned on the ex president. promise commenting on the impending court proceedings, a trump ally told nbc news this evening, quote the trump campaign is ready to take advantage of all of it. the media attention, to fund raising, further galvanizing the republican base against joe biden and the democrats. and when asked what trump's mood is heading in tomorrow, the trump ally defined it has quote, defiant, saying he wants his moment to push back against the false narrative against him. kudos i suppose to putting on a brave face for almost surely be a perilous day in court for trump. but something about his defiance doesn't quite ring true this hour. after all, his family members were fighting tooth and nail to stay off the witness stand and just on thursday, ivanka trump lost an appeal to delay her testimony which is now scheduled for wednesday of this week. so, make no mistake about it. despite their bravado, and despite their swagger, the trump family recognizes that they are woefully unprepared for this test. perhaps nothing illustrates that more than a fact breaking just a short time ago, donald trump once again viciously attacked the attorney general letitia james calling her a corrupt and racists, and once again viciously attacking judge engoron calling him highly partisan and out of control. once again, he attacked the whole trial, calling it a witch hunt. joining me now are glenn kirschner, an msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor and tim miller, msnbc political analyst, writer at large for the bulwark and former communications director for jeb bush in 2016. gentlemen, it's great to have both you with us. glenn, i will start with, eunice new reaction from donald trump on the eve of his testimony, going on social and media launching a tirade against both laetitia james, the attorney general and the judge presiding over his case. >> i think what would have been shocked ayman is if he hadn't have done that. this is what we have come to expect from donald trump, and i don't think it's a sign of strength, i think it's a sign of weakness right. i think we can comfortably predict that tomorrow what we will get from donald trump when he hits the witness stand's bluff and bluster and bombast and bs if i can continue the alliteration. you know that may play well to his base, to his supporters, to folks who don't seem to be all that interested in facts and accuracy and consistency in truth, but you know who the trump shot will not play well to tomorrow? it's judge engoron. if donald trump is foolish enough to think that judge engoron is so gullible that he is going to buy into anything here is comes out of donald trump's month mouth tomorrow, i think he sorely mistaken. i do wish cameras were in the courtroom, some say that would give trump what he wants, i say let the american people let him see play the fool on the witness stand. and expose him as far and wide as we can. unfortunately, georgia right now as the only jurisdiction involved in pursuing trump that allows cameras in the courtroom. but tomorrow will be a bit of a circus. i do think the more perilous testimony will come later in the week from ivanka trump. >> take me gland, into the prosecutors shoes for a moment. what does he need to say? what can he expect from donald trump in terms of answering to his possible questions? but if you were the prosecutor, what is the moment that you are trying to get in the questioning tomorrow? >> what you want to do is set him up for failure. and laetitia james attorneys, her team, they know how to do this. what you do as you ask the witnesses question that you already know the answer to and you can prove it up with some hard evidence, like a document with donald trump's signature. now the challenge they will have is donald trump doesn't have lots and lots of emails and text messages and written communications because he operates largely as a mob boss, and he knows the value of making sure his fingerprints more precisely his signature is not on much paper. but there is some. there are some documents that he will have signed. so first you ask him the question that you already have the answer to in your hand, but he may not either know it or he may be willing to lie about it -- . after he tells the law, you give him the opportunity to lie, then you hit him with the hard evidence, with the document with his signature. that's also a way to build towards a perjury charge. perjury charges are tough to bring and i don't know that the authorities in new york will opt to bring what even if donald trump does lie a material matter. but there are ways to walk people into a perjury charge, and it's not a trap, because you can escape the perjury trap by telling the truth. >> tim, this trump ally that told nbc news that trump's campaign is ready to capitalize on the court proceedings tomorrow. i guess showing he doesn't really know how severe a moment this is for donald trump. do you think they have a point? we know these trials have not been damaging when it comes to his base or the polling and certainly not among republican voters? >> i had to be put in the position of saying they have a point eamonn, but i think they have a point at least regards to the primary. ah lot of questions that were on president territory, a front runner for one of the two major parties who has been indicted, this former president, all of the stuff we have never experienced and in this. there are active court dates happening during the campaign so a lot of unknowns if you will about how that was going to impact this primary and this election. i think we've learned at this point that trump has been able to leverage the court dates for attention and to drown out the rest of the primary field. he's winning overwhelmingly in the primaries. ron desantis is getting the endorsement of the iowa governor tomorrow. i don't think any fair observer is going to think that is going to outshine whatever nonsense donald trump spouts out tomorrow during his court day. of course people will cover that more because it's unprecedented, it's more news-y and he's winning in the polls and when it seems the republican voters don't care about that. i think you will win in the primaries. what was more interesting to me, was that primaries over and we've moved over the general election, which seems almost inevitable at this point the trump will be the nominee, he's got a whole raft of court dates next year, and i do think that this will become a political liability if they try to use the same playbook next, april, may, june, i think it will be political ramifications to that. >> for the record, i totally agree with you that i think this is a done deal for trump. let's assume that there is some kind of hail mary that ron desantis, nikki haley or some republican can pull off here. what do they need to do, how do they message after tomorrow when they go on that stage for the third republican debate? what could they possibly be saying right now? >> sure. i will just say that everything i'm about to say that they should be saying they should be saying for years now, i think it really hurts the fact their credibility but they haven't been saying it. that said, clean slate, debate this week, he's gonna be testifying in trial. it's gonna be made to say your honor and be made to seem you're smaller than he likes to present himself as you said in the league on a man. i think there's opportunity there. the big opportunities what they should've been saying all the time, disguise a fraud and he's a loser, he is a fake. this was true in the election that he lost to joe biden, that he pretended that he won, it was true in his business career where he lied about how much money had. it was true when he screwed up with regular people at trump university, and the other times that he's had to go through court. that case is never been prosecuted against him for republican voters with any consistency or meaningful way. i suspect is probably too late for that, but if these guys are gonna stay in this race, no better to start making that case and. now >> let's start talking about ivanka trump right now. why has she fought so hard to delay her testimony? she is no longer a codefendant in the case. she was ruled to not have been sufficiently connected with the trump organization at some point, that -- why does she seem so scared? >> i think because she has potentially damaging testimony against her brothers and her father and she's doing everything she can to not have to give that testimony. it's very important to add a point. i think that to inform the fact that ivanka may have some perilous testimony for her family members. want, she has distanced herself from her father ever since he left the presidency. you don't see her legacy with her brothers, with these unhinged ransom rabies. she's kind of gone radio silent. she certainly distance herself from her father. second, as you say, she's been fighting mightily, trying everything from filing legal challenges to a subpoena. there were none, ticked claim claiming she has childcare issues. i bet she can afford a nanny for the day. that's the second point. the next point is that when she testified before the january 6th committee ayman she may not have wanted to throw her father under the bus but we all saw her do it when they revealed some of that public testimony where she said, i credit bill barr that there was no widespread fraud undermining the elections results. i do not credit my father. maybe she is prepared to present similarly incriminating and damning evidence on the business front and that's why she is trying so hard to avoid having to testify. >> we'll see what happens on wednesday when she does take the stand as a scheduled. glenn kirschner, thank you my friend, tim please stick around. in a moment i want to talk to you and discuss why it took some republicans so long to denounce tommy tuberville's blockade of military promotions. first my friend richard louis is here with the headlines. >> and good to see you. other stories we're watching this hour. russian officials reported successful on on intercontinental missile. it's launch to launch nuclear warheads from a summary. a week ago, vladimir putin land -- tyson foods is recalling nearly 30,000 pounds of donetsk sword shaped chicken nuggets. consumers reported finding a small piece of metal in the products, one oral injury was reported. and of course record was set to win the new york city marathon race. he broke the record books for the women's wheelchair race in her debut, and marcell hub won a record six-time the men's world chair race. congratulations. all more ayman with ayman mohyeldin more after this break. fter thi break. - ♪ unnecessary action hero! unnecessary. ♪ - was that necessary? 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>> extremism in the middle east, i think we overlook the extremism in our senate. tommy tucker vela embodies the most extreme elements of our senate. i call him radical, reckless, racist, nationalism into the military, he represents the most extreme, most damaging, most backward element of the senate. this is gone on for too long, i'm surprised it took this long for anyone, he's doing it and it's a step forward, it's been nine months of damage, he's undermining the military, he's weakening morale, he's helping our adam's -- putin love seeing this. it's long past time they hold him accountable he's an embarrassment not just to alabama, the senate, but the entire country. >> why does he think he has a mandate to take this position, this is where america, it's hard to imagine where alabama is, you knew alabama better than i do, if i went to alabama and set to them, you're undermining our national security, you're undermining our military because the senator is trying to score political points for political clout, they would not agree with. them >> no, i want to basic training and alabama and people in alabama they get a bad rap, he's giving them a bad rap, the support national security and care about our officers. we have over 300 officers being how because this guy's radical agenda. it's important to frame it that way. it's very radical, it hasn't happened in the senate, he'smapm up the works. i've been dissipated and schumer and mcconnell, this is absolutely endangering our security. if our rules in the senate can't move, change them, our military has to change, our allies have to change, our senate has the chains. -- when you start to listen to him and hear the way he talks about things, it sounds like he wants to drag our country back to the 1800s instead of recognizing that were a modern, divers, dynamic military in 2023. >> let me pick up on that point, tom, that they -- schumer, mitch mcconnell have not taken tommy tuberville hat on. what i would call a small mini revolt with some of these senators, do you think more will fall and why are they so late to actually stand up and do the right thing here? >> well, i'm surprised mcconnell in particular has not been fighting on this given the fact that he has actually fought, on the maga wing on ukraine fighting, he shown an ounce of spying recently which is something he hadn't been doing during the trump presidency. but again, there is concern here or if you're a senate institutionalist like mcconnell that if they run over tuberville that in the future senators have the opportunity on legitimate issues to exercise their power. to me, it seems like very insider v jargon in the face of a serious hold on so many people, it's not like one issuer bill that goes across our military, it's not just the marines it's the whole up and down, and those hold on ambassadors, we don't have ambassadors an 18 middle east countries. why are these republican so dame, i don't know, those speeches they just gave gave a gift to the democrats in the senate campaigns coming up next year, they can play those videos talk about how republicans are reckless to security, it's one reason. the other reason, it's a play politically in the whole state, among the republican base voters who show up in primaries this whole rhetoric, i listen to paul talk about the diverse military, the push back against that from the maga right, said the military wet rock, deep state is out to get trump, that has landed with republican voters and i think republican voters will view the military has changed over the last couple of years. it created an opening which there's not as much pushback as you would think, because the power in the republican party is with the people that show up at the primaries and folks of the maga wing that have a negative view of all our institutions including the military. >> what do you think about that, you're someone that served, you're plugged in with veterans, tim's point is right, the republican party has gone after wokeism in the military, they don't like where the military is on diversity, all these other issues where society is, they call it woke, we heard it from people and anyone else, has it taken a toll on the way that they view the military? >> yes, it's the upside down world of 2023. the republican party thinks the military is the thing that should be attacking, it's not the party of john mccain, colin powell, it's red meat for the base, it's narrowing, they're starting to see more and more independents, moderates, if i'm in a -- independent. this is the kind of thing that kills them with independents, drives people away from the party, it drives people out of the republican party, moderate veterans, people who would've joined the party, they're leaving the republican party, not necessarily joining the democrats, they're shrinking their base. at the end of the day, it's hurting our troops, the marine corps comment was running it to the ground, he had a heart attack, and they think it's no big deal. he's ridiculous, he's reckless, he's racist, he's bad for america, he needs to be held in check. -- what are you gonna do about it that requires a strategy on the part of mcconnell and schumer to do something about. it >> will see if they can do something about it when they need to. paul reich off, good to see you. tim miller, we appreciate it. up next, abortion act on the ballot in ohio. my conversation with the executive director of planned parenthood, that's after the break. break. businesses need 5g solutions today. that's why they choose t-mobile for business. las vegas grand prix chose t-mobile to help power operations for one of the world's largest racing events. mlb partners with t-mobile to advance how the game is played. and t-mobile's network helps aaa stay connected nationwide... to get their members back on the road. now's the time to see what america's largest and fastest 5g network can do for your business. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd things changed for me. breztri gave me better breathing, symptom improvement, and reduced flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. ask your doctor about breztri. in a crisis caused by a terrorist massacre. warning civilians to clear out, while hamas forces them back. allowing in food and water, which hamas steals. febreze! your bathroom... needs febreze small spaces... the always-on, odor-fighting air freshener you set and forget. no outlets used, no batteries needed, no effort required. so your bathroom stays continuously fresh for 45 days. that's the power of febreze small spaces. life, diabetes. each day is a unique blend of going, doing, and living. glucerna protein smart with 30 grams of protein to help keep you moving. uniquely designed with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar response. glucerna, bring on the day. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> how voters will decide on tuesday whether to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution testingthe strength of public support for the issue of the 2024 election. the proposed amendment with codify the right to one zone right to get medical treatment including but not limited to abortion. it specifies that abortion would remain prohibited for fetal viability, that includes inception to protect the mother's life or health. in the nearly 17 months since rowa overturned, abortion rights matters have won in every electioneven in conservative states like kentucky and kansas. back in august, a high and so did against the republican backed proposal that would've made it harder to pass constitutional amendments like the one we are seeing this cake. there's been a surge in early voting and polling has indicated there's majority support for this measure. but it's advocates are facing a major disinformation campaign and it is coming from a blog on the republican controlled senate official website. among claims in one post are that the measure would legalize abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy and allow for the dismemberment of fully conscious children, claims that are obviously false. joining me now is lauren blauvelt, executive director of planned parenthood, and co-chair for ohioans united for reproductive rights. it's great to have you with us, lauren, i appreciate you taking time with us. a lot of eyes on ohio ahead of this vote, walk us through what you are hearing from the state, ohio's and -- care about reproductive rights. what is at stake what this ballot measure? >> everything is at stake right now in ohio. we need to pass issue line voters, they need to vote, it's the only way to ensure that women, families have the right to their own personal medical decisions and stop extreme abortion bans. or encouraged by the conversations were having on the doors, on the villains, we have thousands of supporters showing up for us but we need millions of voters to show up. this is about turnout, every vote matters, every voter turnout this tuesday. >> walk us through what the constitutional amendment would mean, not just for women in ohio but for those in neighboring states as well? >> certainly, this is a huge impact for us in ohio. we had 11 weeks of our extreme abortion ban. we know that not everyone who needs access to abortion is able to travel to a neighboring state. it's incredibly important that we protect abortion access here in ohio. and certainly, every state that can used to prevent -- protect abortion access. voting on an issue one is the only one way to protect our decisions, it could not be important, every vote matters, every voter needs to tone up on tuesday. >> there's a lot of political dynamics at play. we've seen ohio republicans make it harder for a constitutional amendments for like this to pass. as i mentioned, there is blatant disinformation about what this does and what it would mean. talk to us about the republican pushback on this ballot measure, do you think that people in ohio can see pass this disinformation from what you're seeing at the moment? >> we're experiencing so much of this information coming from antiabortion politicians. they are doing everything to take away our rights, but i do believe that ohio voters will see through it, they saw through it in august and protected democracy, made it possible for us to take this vote on tuesday. i believe ohio voters to know the truth, the clear responsibility that we need to vote yes on a she want to protect our personal medical decisions and stop government interference. voting yes on issue one is the only way to stop extreme abortion ban, ohioans can and will see throughout, they'll vote yes on tuesday. >> with this vote on tuesday, assuming it goes the way you anticipated to go, our hope it goes, in contrast with other attempts in states that are more conservative like kentucky, kansas, who have upheld the right of women to reproductive rights. how important would the message be going into 2024 with this categorically attempt by republicans to make 2024 about abortion rights. do you think it will still be on the ballot in some way shape or form in the next election cycle? >> protecting abortion rights is definitely gonna continue to be on the ballot in 2024. it is a huge statement for ohioans to be able to vote yes on issue one on tuesday. we believe, or encouraged by all the conversations that we're having, we're encouraged that ohioans will come out and vote yes, voting yes is the only way to protect our medical decisions. we know that in 2024 will have to continue to fight for democracy, to fight for our rights to our personal medical decisions, we're not giving up. >> lauren bach belt, thank you very much we appreciate your time. up next, we'll switch gears and head overseas to the war in gaza, the danger of increasingly extreme rhetoric from some israeli officials. stay with us. stay with us family is just very important. she's my sister and, we depend on each other a lot. she's the rock of the family. she's the person who holds everything together. ♪♪ it's a battle, you know i'm going to be there. keytruda and chemotherapy meant treating my cancer with two different types of medicine. in a clinical trial, keytruda and chemotherapy was proven to help people live longer than chemotherapy alone. keytruda is used to treat more patients with advanced lung cancer than any other immunotherapy. keytruda may be used with certain chemotherapies as your first treatment if you have advanced nonsquamous, non-small cell lung cancer and you do not have an abnormal “egfr” or “alk” gene. keytruda can cause your immune system to attack healthy parts of your body during or after treatment. this may be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have cough, shortness of breath, chest pain, diarrhea, severe stomach pain, severe nausea or vomiting, headache, light sensitivity, eye problems, irregular heartbeat, extreme tiredness, constipation, dizziness or fainting, changes in appetite, thirst, or urine, confusion, memory problems, muscle pain or weakness, fever, rash, itching, or flushing. there may be other side effects. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions, including immune system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, received chest radiation, or have a nervous system problem. it feels good to be here for them. living longer is possible. it's tru. keytruda from merck. ask your doctor about keytruda. - [female narrator] they line up by the thousands. each one with a story that breaks your heart. like ravette... every step, brought her pain. their only hope: mercy ships. the largest floating civilian hospital in the world. bringing free surgeries to people who have no other hope. $19 a month will help provide urgently needed surgery for so many still suffering. so don't wait, call the number on your screen. or donate at mercyships.org. 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[speaking in a global language] [crowd chanting] [speaking in a global language] >> liberal centrist knesset member declared that the children of gaza have brought this upon themselves. aerial calder, a member of parliament called for a quote, one goal, nakba, a knack by that will overshadow the nakba of 48 referred to an expulsion of 700 -- in t year 1948. meanwhile, lecommunication expert in gaza told nbc news that internet and other communications have been cut off for a third time in a month. meaning people have no internet and once again no way to communicate with the outside world and amongst themselves. since october 12, israel cut off food, they've cut off water, electricity from the territory. the palestinian health auority says that more than 9700 have died since the war started, according to the united nation 1.4 million palestinians have been displaced from their homes. a short time ago i spoke about this and more with dana levy, president of the middle east project. daniel levy, thank you for joining us i know it's late where you are, i want to start by asking you about these recent comments, this uptick in violent rhetoric that we are hearing about gaza and palestinians being might buy or israeli officials, the minister saying he wants to nuke gaza, members of the knesset saying they want to destroy completely. members of the military saying gaza and lebanon are part of greater israel. how worried should we be about this rhetoric now? >> i think we should be worried, it joins the language that has been used for sometime now, threatening a second mass displacement of palestinians, and they see the displacements of them in gaza and put it in that context. but as ugly, a threatening as this rhetoric as we should not let it distract us from the real problem which is state violence which is being used not by members of the israeli parliament, or ministers without the authorization of the government, but it's what the government is doing, militias are a problem but they have a state behind them, it's the structural violence of the state with what's going on, it should be the laser focus in that. >> i'll ask you about the settler violence. let's start with a bit of the diplomacy that's playing out here, secretary of state, antony blinken, was in the west bank today, he met with mahmoud abbas, a person who's very low approval ratings, unpopular with the palestinian authority. we know u.s. officials have stopped short of calling for a cease-fire, is this refusal of them being so being met with opposition, if so why and why not support a move towards humanitarian pause? >> well, i think there's a problem with the humanitarian pause, which is that you have this break, and then more gets destroyed, more people get killed. you need to understand -- of october the 7th against israel. israel was an act against those perpetrated the action however this is not day one, day five, day ten, it's day 30. and we've seen that israel's action has led to a staggering, a staggering loss amongst palestinian civilians, among palestinian children. and there's way more palestinian children killed from save the children estimated they killed across the world -- so longer that this goes on the worse it gets. what we see is a trickle of humanitarian assistance and one looks more like a flood of assistance to keep the war going. it's not just that they're not supporting a cease-fire, they're encouraging the continuation of the war and its destabilizing region, it's horrendous for palestinians, i don't think this is gonna bring israeli security, and that's the message secretarial blinken heard in the region. and he saw president a boss, but it's too late, the ship assailed, abbas has been fatally politically weekend, he doesn't have crowded amongst people because while israel is busy militarily trying to defeat the armed resistance. it's also been busy politically trying to undermine and collapse the pragmatists by entrenching the occupation, 500% increase in settler's, and also at the same time it's been defaming and criminalizing those who pursued nine violent activism. israel is trying to undermine any palestinian option other than collaboration. and that problem is something the u.s. is not used to addressing alongside its refusal to go through what's absolutely need in a cease-fire, not a permanent stop to this. >> but aside for a moment whether hamas can even be destroyed militarily, which is what the israeli objective is stated to be. the belief now is not in a post-hamas gaza, you would need some form of governance, some form of structure. palestinians, arabs i've been speaking to say that would have to include an immediate transition or a very clear path to palestinian statehood, to liberation. if you want an arab buy in, or a palestinian biden. that doesn't look like it's gonna happen. everyone says we will not return to the status quo of october 6th for the israelis, but no one's come out and said, israelis are americans, but that will also be different for the palestinians across all occupied territories. >> and that is the crucial thing. because look. first of all, a position, permanent occupation and dispossession, and armed resistance as part of liberation -- the two sides of the same coin. neither side should be violating international law. both sides do. but you're not gonna get rid of one without the other. this needs a political, not a military solution. and as far as the palestinian reality is concerned, it was abnormal at five a.m. on saturday october 7th. for israelis, it might have been hit horrendously abnormal at six a.m.. that's what you can't go back to. and that's what i think the americans, encouraged by the israelis, would like the conversation to be at. as far as israel is concerned, this is a modus operandi we've seen before, i've seen firsthand. they would not love the next decade to be spent talking about what's the exact mechanism for moving this kind of good, this kind of service, this kind of policing apparatus or operation in gaza, do we have this truck or that truck, this detecting system -- continue to do their worst in the west bank while that's going on. that's the avoidance of politics, of the core problem of palestinian dispossession and structural inequality against palestinians which led us here in the first place. and unless the u.s. map set that path with -- continued to see a rejection -- [inaudible] >> 30 days into this where, it is a staggering death toll with no end in sight on the horizon. we daniel levy, thank you so much, always a pleasure, sir, thank you for your time. >> thank you, ayman. >> our coverage continues after a quick break. k time? 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