anthony blinken, it makes a surprise trip to the west bank to meet with the president of the palestinian authority. we are live with the latest from the secretary's continuing push for humanitarian pause. meanwhile, the war between israel and hamas has triggered a spike in antisemitism and islamophobia at home. jonathan greenblatt, director of the anti-defamation league has here in studio to talk about how we can stand up to hate. supreme showdown and justices are under scrutiny for receiving lavish gifts. senator sheldon whitehouse of the senate judiciary committee joins me live to discuss plans to subpoena some of the billionaires at the center of the controversy. daddy daughter week. donald trump is set to take the stand tomorrow in a civil fraud trial just days before his daughter, a blanca, is put on the hot seat. but their testimony could mean for the family business, and for the twice impeached, four times indicted of 91 counts, former president. i'm jonathan capehart. this is an extended edition of the sunday show. we begin this hour with american diplomacy in the middle east. this morning, secretary of state, anthony blinken, beta surprise visit to the occupied west bank. in a meeting with palestinian authority president, mahmoud abbas, blinken reaffirmed the united states commitment to delivering lifesaving humanitarian assistance, and restoring essential services in gaza. over the past few days, the secretary of state has met with leaders of several arab nations as the global call for a cease-fire grows louder. the biden administration is pushing for a humanitarian pause in the war to allow ward aid into israel. benjamin netanyahu has rejected that proposal, until all hostages taken by hamas are released. in the meantime, israel continues to bombard the gaza strip overnight. and israeli airstrike hit a refugee camp, killing at least 40 people. that's according to hamas health officials. nbc news could not independently verify the number of deaths, and has reached out to the idf for comment. joining me now, nbc news correspondent, josh lederman, from israel. josh, what more do we need to know about secretary blinken's visit to the occupied west bank? >> well, it was a surprise visit for security reasons, not announced in advance. in fact, not announced until blinken was on his way out. while the secretary did not speak publicly while he was in the occupied west bank, we did hear both from the spokesperson for hamas talking about what the message they delivered to the secretary, which is at the palestinian authority blames israel entirely for the violence at the scene now. we also heard from the state department saying that blinken, once again, affirmed u.s. support for the palestinian state hug, and the two state solution. it's part of an argument the u.s. has been making that struck some folks in this region as a little bit far upfield from the conversation that's really taking place in the region right now, that two state solution seems far and away, more than it has been quite some time. we know blinken use this visit to bring up u.s. concerns about extremist violence by jewish settlers and the west bank against palestinian civilians who are living that. that is something that the palestinian authority has raised concerns about as well. a message they were going to be glad to hear from secretary blinken. >> josh, what's the latest on additional humanitarian assistance getting into gaza? >> ha we haven't heard any confirmed reports of additional aid getting in today. jonathan, through that rafah border crossing. it appears that there might have been a kind of breakdown in what had been a functioning system for the past week or so, where aid was getting in. not as much as people want, but some trucks were getting and. injured palestinians were getting out, along with those foreign nationals. now we're hearing from border authorities in the gaza strip, that no more foreign nationals will be allowed out through the rafah border crossing -- [inaudible] we know the u.s. says that's [inaudible] so that may be why we see less activity, including humanitarian aid flowing through that border and 24 hours ago. >> one more question for you, has there been any update on the hostages inside of gaza? >> certainly no update in terms of a deal to get them out, jonathan. in fact the only real update we've heard is that the health ministry and hamas authorities in the gaza strip are now say that they believe that 60 of the hostages have already been killed in israeli airstrikes. there are dozens more who, they claim that nbc news can independently confirmed, the military has not commented on that as well, that is the latest that we are hearing inside gaza on the status of those hostages. >> josh lederman, coming to us live from israel. thank you very much for that report. as the battle rages on in the middle east, here at home, erhas been a noticeable rise in antisemitism. a hearing on capitol hill last week, fbi director, christopher, i told lawmakers, quote, the jewish community is targeted by extremist across the spectrum. adding, this is a threat that is reaching, in some ways, sort of historic levels. that rise has been seen across the country, including on college campuses were on tuesday, a student at cornell university was charged with posting threats to kill or injure jewish students. there's also been a spike in islamophobia, with the council on islamic relations saying it has received 774 reports of bias incidents and calls for help from muslims across the u.s. since the israel-hamas war began. joining me now, jonathan greenblatt, ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league. jonathan, thank you very much for being here live on set for this sunday show. according to organizations latest report, there has been a stunning 388% rise in antisemitic cases since the october 7th attack in israel. how do you account for such an increase? >> first of, all i would just say, i mean, this is an incredibly difficult time. i really appreciate josh's reporting on the front end. i have family in israel right now who are telling us overnight about the rockets and missiles coming from gaza, that the iron dome is taking out. every israeli right now is under a kind of mortal threat. i don't think we often see this in israel. they literally saw explosions overnight in their backyard. with respect to the antisemitism here, jonathan, all forms of hate or problem, and i can't speak to the data, the report complaints, but we verify everything that we report, and we've seen a 388% increase in a three-week period after the mass attack on october the 7th versus last year. this is accept harassment, vandalism, violence. you've mentioned a situation at court now. the student who was threatened to slit the throats up jewish men. rape jewish women. shoot up the cultural hall at cornell. we've seen situations where our students dorm room was set on fire at a university in philadelphia. we've had physical altercations against jewish students at harvard university. we've seen this all over the country. >> john at, then you have ben, on our air, msnbc's air, seemingly endlessly. for more than a year. talking about the rise of antisemitic hate. after october 7th -- >> it exploded. >> right. things have exploded. it's gone beyond, part in this, run-of-the-mill antisemitism, to what we are talking about with the student at cornell. does this speak to a rod within our society? >> jonathan, so glad you asked this question. >> you have covered this so well over the last few years, actually. specifically, are, right antisemitism is intensifying, increasing. we've seen this normalized from the far-right, and from the hard left. so when something like this happens in the middle east, and there is an explosion here. yeah, there is a kind of moral rot at universities. presidents and leaders didn't step in early on, so anti israel students felt like it was fair game to targets and victimized jews. and the public spaces as well, we have seen vandalism and attacks on what they're calling zionist businesses, jonathan. so i'm not talking about, you know, stores producing idf t-shirts. i'm talking about coffee shops in an ice cream parlor in the bay area. a restaurant in chicago. now they're been vandalized with free palestine. things like that. it is not okay. under any circumstances, to harass people because of their ethnicity or faith. it is disgusting and repulsive to target jewish businesses because you don't like what's happening in the middle east. i say this as the ancestor of a holocaust survivor whose barbershop was vandalized and destroyed by the not season germany. i can't even believe this is happening in our country today. >> you mention the phrase free palestine. there is a huge, there have been huge demonstrations around the country. huge demonstration here in washington. what do you say to people who have enormous empathy for you, for israelis, and for the families of the victims of the terrorist attack. also, they went to the demonstration yesterday, marching for free palestine. is it possible to have, i'm struggling to find the words. >> that's a super fair questions. i know we are going. look, we should mourn the lives of all the innocent who are killed. the israelis that are butchered mutilated, and the palestinian children who are dying now. that is a tragedy. we need to have the moral clarity to recognize that. at the same time, the moral clarity to say why are we in the situation? we should free palestine from hamas. this thing could end tomorrow if they would return the hostages, and they would simply say they would negotiate a peace deal with israel. put down their arms. literally we call for a cease-fire, we should just call for a surrender and return at the hostages. this would end like that. but, the moss brook people have said that they want to repeat october the 7th again and again. so free palestine, yes. free from hamas. make them willing to live alongside a jewish state. jonathan, wouldn't have this issue at all. i think too many don't realize what is the root cause of this. the root cause is an islamic, radical terror organization that does not believe jews have the right to live that. when you say free palestine for the river to the sea, i believe in a two state solution. that phrase is in annihilation's phrase that says, no jews. that is not okay in any circumstances. whether it's a palestinian thing, or is really saying it, again, these people they don't want to state solution, jonathan. we've been a one state. they want to one state solution. they're calling for a final solution. that is not okay. >> in a final solution has pretty horrific historic -- i agree with you that you cannot be a believer in a two state solution if the mantra from the river to the sea is coming out of your mouth. jonathan greenblatt, i appreciate you coming, as always, to the show. you made a specific effort to be here, onset with. me i really appreciate that. thank you. up next, it's on the sunday show, we'll go inside senate democrats plans to subpoena influence of conservatives connected to the lavish, undisclosed gifts given to the supreme court justices. senate judiciary committee member, senator whitehouse. he joins me next on how they're following the money. g the money. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're building a better postal service. for more on-time deliveries. and easier, affordable ways to ship. so you can deliver even more holiday joy. the united states postal service. delivering for america. 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[ting] ♪♪ live in the moment. ask your doctor about otezla. of yourself. because you are the ones who always professed how you are defending our democracy. you're the ones undermining our democracy. >> the highest courts in the land cannot have the lowest standard of ethics in the country. >> this is what you want, you're going to get it. >> democrats are looking to hold the highest court in the land responsible for its actions. this week, the senate judiciary committee is expected to vote to subpoena republican megadonor's such as harlan crow and judicial activist leonard leo, who have long advocated for and successfully helped install conservative justices on the supreme court. the subpoenas follow a string of a bombshell reports from propublica on justice clarence thomas, and justice samuel alito and their acceptance of lavish gifts and trips from billionaire republican donors. joining me now, rhode island senator sheldon whitehouse. he is chair of the senate budget committee, and a member of the senate judiciary committee. senator whitehouse, thank you for coming to the sunday show. both leonard leo and harlan crow have already come out with statements denouncing the possibility of the committee issuing them subpoenas. how will you go about enforcing those subpoenas, once they're issued? >> well, we're moving forward with the investigation one step at a time. the first step next thursday is to vote for the subpoenas. once the subpoenas are in place, they are a legal command to these individuals, to come forward and provide the documents and answer the questions that we have asked for. if they refuse, we have a number of options and we will be making a decision as a committee about which options we should pursue. but, i would note that the argument that they have made, which is that it is unconstitutional of us to ask these questions, is a ridiculous argument by any measure. this is a question of disclosure by justices of gifts, which must be done under a law that congress passed. and if the gifts are big enough, recusal by justice is under a law that congress passed, and the judicial conference which implements the disclosure and the recusal law, is a body that congress has created. so going forward with defensible notions that congress can't inquiry into how a body that it created is implementing laws that it passed. it makes no sense. >> senator, you just mentioned a moments ago that there are a number of options available to the committee if harlan crow and leonard do not comply with the subpoena. could you emirate one or three of them? >> well, one is to go directly to the floor and seek a decision from the floor, ordering enforcement. if we do that, it likely runs into the 60 vote closure problem. and the republicans have not surprising ali rallied among the big republican donor billionaires, who are behind the gift scheme and so much else. that's a hard way to go. but it's worth having to fight, and it's worth exposing their arguments to the light of day. there are other ways that include the prospect of, for instance, the department of justice moving to enforce the skin on its own. >> chief justice john roberts couldn't act a code of conduct today. three justices, kagan, capital, and coney barrett have publicly stated that the court should adopt a code of ethics. so, what's justice roberts waiting for? >> i really don't know. i suspect that he's hoping that he can generate unanimity among his fellow justices, on a method for enforcing the code of ethics. and i doubt he's going to get that, because frankly, justices alito and thomas are going to be a continuing problem because their hands are so, so deeply in the cookie jar. it's hard for them to face any kind of scrutiny. and that means he'd have to find a way to hold a vote. the way they do in other cases. they took away women's rights to bodily autonomy, by less than complete votes. so why not just have a proper vote? i suspect it would be 7 to 2. but he could do that. the other way he could do it is he's the chair of the judicial conference. and the judicial conference has the ability to set rules. indeed, it has been the oversight body on the disclosure issues when harlan crow first gave free jet travel to justice thomas a decade ago. that went through that procedure. so he has two ways to go, and i think he's planning to move. i don't think they can take the pressure any longer. the other judges are furious, because they know perfectly well that what the justices are saying makes no sense. >> is there any thought of subpoenaing ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas? >> i think, because i said, we're taking this investigation one step at a time. the first step is to find out what is going on. there clearly was an unexplained payment directed to mrs. thomas by leonard, through one of his front groups of $25,000. it is not clear that any services were ever rendered for that $25, 000, but from the context, it looks like it wasn't the only time. so clearly there are questions to answer there. there are also questions about why he didn't recuse from the january 6th case. his spokespeople have said it's because he didn't know anything, but that's a fact question that deserves to be examined. and nobody has examined or even asked the thomas is that fact question. >> i'm going to try to squeeze in two more questions. one, about the 14 billion dollar israel aid package that just passed the house. which we know would largely to find the irs, no ukraine aid. it's dead on arrival in the senate. the president is going to veto it. >> they won't call it, up and the president said he'd veto. it >> right. so can house republicans and senate democrat's reach a deal on aid for israel and ukraine, in a manner that would also keep the government open? >> i think so. we're working very hard to do that. i think that the program would be aid to ukraine, aid to israel, something to help support taiwan, and investments in border security. that's the shape of the package that would succeed, and it would draw i believe significant bipartisan support and sent a very strong often back to the speaker to take up and pass and avoid shutdown. >> okay. have you put back on your judiciary committee hot for one moment? earlier in the show, we were talking about the lawsuits in colorado and minnesota. trying to basically get -- remove donald trump from the ballot in 2024, in those states. what do you think the possibility -- what do you think of those lawsuits? do you support them, and do you think that if they go to the supreme court, the supreme court will side with the voters in colorado and minnesota? >> i am are they getting it's a very real option. -- some of the judges are hearing them and taking them seriously. there are very thoughtful legal scholars who have thought very clearly about how and why a 14th amendment option is appropriate to use in this circumstance. and i think you end up on the fact question of was donald trump's conduct enough to make him an insurrectionist with regard to developing a section of the 14th amendment? 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>> i think it matters in the context that we know for a fact that he is afraid to face his opponents. particularly chris christie. he said to his stuff and two others, i will not be on a stage with this man. because he knows that christie can take him on one-on-one. ultimately, will it matter? i don't think so, because here's the deal. the rnc and -- have rigged the whole ball game. trump, look. if you look at the early state surveys of iowa and new hampshire, trump is not -- he is far ahead, but he's not like -- 70%. i think an eye what he's a 44, in new hampshire he's a 37. so there's a desire, at least in these early surveys from voters, to see somebody who could be an alternative to trump. if these candidates, after -- almost a year of campaigning can finally decide what to be the nominee, and turn the gun's not on each other but on trump, maybe it could have a difference. but at the end of the day, i think comes super tuesday and beyond, he will be the nominee. the question is how much to these people want to make sure that he's not the president going into 2025? >> i see you nodding in agreement, donna. what do you think? does it matter? >> i think it doesn't matter at all. and i think frankly, from trump's perspectives, his calculation is on -- n >> there's more jeopardy for him that way. and i think that at the end of the day, republicans are going to do what they did in 2020, and they're going to come back home to the republican party and i think that trump is going to be the nominee and he is going to have the overwhelming support, especially with the republican base. >> you know, read, donald trump 's twice impeached, four times indicted on 91 counts for a president who's out on bail or bond in four jurisdictions. and yet, and nbc news has a new poll in iowa this morning, and 65% of those polled believe that trump can win an election against joe biden, regardless of his legal challenges. does this even matter? >> look, i think that, you know, you say all of those things, jonathan, and i wish they mattered. here's what i will say. we should look at his behavior. how do you say that donald trump is going crazy, how can you tell? i'm not entirely sure. but here's what i know. we've seen his behavior in this courtroom in new york, it's only going to get worse. so we should remember that donald trump doesn't have the capacity to contain his crazy. it just channels in different directions, and so what i would say is that between a sense of probably in the next six weeks -- some of these opponents, even if they're going to lose, and i agree with the congresswoman that they will lose. they're going to start taking some direct shots at him. as you, said he is going to be in for different courtrooms. maybe three, depending on the judge in florida. he is going to be sitting there like a mob boss at the defense table with a bunch of people who he knows, who he elevated going, he did it, he told me to do it. he was the guy who told me to do it. and i think that we're going to see an uptick -- even of trumpian proportions, that i think will start to scare independents and soft republican voters away again, and start to crystallized democratic voters. because i think right now we're in this big sleep, jonathan. nobody wants to believe, as you said, that a year from today it's going to be a rematch. but it's going to be a rematch. folks don't want, it and i understand that. but now is the time to get with reality and understand what we're facing. >> you know, congresswoman, among iowa attendees, donald trump is in first place. but interestingly enough, former south carolina governor nikki haley has surged to a tie for second place, with former florida governor ron desantis. there is a speculation that this all but clinches the nomination for trump. do you agree with a? >> well, i think so. i mean, i think at the end of the day there's a solid base of republican voters who, even with all of the court machinations that are going on, one, they don't believe them, to, they believe that trump is being attacked and they are solidifying around him. and nikki haley and ron desantis can kind of duke it out for second place. but second place is not good enough when you want a nomination. and i think that largely, nikki haley's support is coming because ron desantis has faded like a dead balloon. he really has taken a nosedive. and i don't see him recovering from that, and i think haley benefits from pence coming out, to be able to raise more money. but at the end of the day, that's not going to be enough to propel her to first place. and it turns out that you get a nomination, you have to be in first place. >> right. i also noticed in the poll that we showed, that governor chris christie is at 4%. and i bring up his name, this is among likely iowa republican caucus goers. i bring up chris christie's name because he got into a little bit of trouble yesterday, and i want to talk about that when we come back from this quick break. reed and gianna are staying with me, we're going to talk about what happened to chris christie yesterday. keep it right here. christie yesterday keep it right here keep it right here like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. woman: who's that, who is that? 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he said every one of those boos, every one of those catcalls, every one of those yells will not solve one problem we face in this country. your anger against the truth is reprehensible. and there are more boos that follow that. reed and gianna, what does that convey to you? read, you go first. >> what the congresswoman said during the last segment. this is trump's party, and it's going to be trump's party until he inevitably loses a day from today. or a year from today, jonathan. and that you can't convince people who have decided that their entire belief system is wrapped up in the hopes and dreams of one man trying to keep himself out of prison, and returned to power. this is who these people are now. this is who the party is now. chris christie probably represents on the best day ten to 15% of republican voters in this country. and i'll tell you why that's important. because if those voters vote for joe biden, like so many of them did in 2020, donald trump loses and loses badly. if half of those people vote for joe biden, like so many of them did three years ago, then donald trump loses, and loses badly. and what i'm saying here, jonathan, is that yes, we know that donald trump has a stranglehold on these people. but it also means that there's a feeling of otherwise normal human beings who are going to come to him. yes, there will be so few republicans that come home, if they stayed in 2020. but if you were a republican biden voter in 2020, very hard for me to see how you go back to donald trump in 2024. >> donna, what do you think? >> i absolutely agree with that. one of the things that the response to chris christie shows is that donald trump really does have a lock hold on this republican party. even ron desantis got a sort of lukewarm response in a florida audience. and i think that this is the first time that trump and desantis have been in the same place on the same stage, and it's donald trump's party. it's donald trump's party in the congress, it's donald trump's party among republicans. and i agree, absolutely. democrats and independents are going to come home to joe biden, because they realize the threat that donald trump poses, even from a jail cell. >> ron desantis potentially got booed because of questions about his boots. but all say that for another time. reed, there is something -- i took notice that you took umbrage over minnesota congressman dean phillips showing his hat in the ring to take on president joe biden. what do you think of this? as i said, and i will repeat it for your viewers, jonathan. i think he's an arrogant, ignorant guy, for whom this is a giant ego trip. he's a rich guy, he's been told by people around, him and i've heard the speech that he received. i personally heard the speech that he received about how he could be president. he cannot be president, he cannot be the democratic nominee. and as far as i'm concerned, jonathan, anyone, anyone who is on the pro democracy spectrum, and that stretches from aoc to liz cheney, who was not 100% behind one, ensuring joe biden's success, and, to ensuring that donald trump never, ever gets within visiting distance of the white house, is doing damage to our country and doing damage to our democracy. i think this is an ill-timed, ill-conceived ego trip and i think that mr. phillips knew what was good for the country, not necessarily good for him, but good for the country, he'd go back to making jim and gelato and sitting in congress and leaving the rest of the country alone. >> donna? >> i'll be brief. dean phillips is a back of the back ventures in congress. even democrats in the house had to look him up and google him to figure out who he is. he is entitled and privileged, and this is insane in a time where there needs to be democratic unity. and i think it's going to go nowhere fast. the reception that he's already receiving on the campaign trail has been, frankly, laughable and embarrassing. and i don't think that joe biden even has to lose a bit of sleep over teen phillips. >> okay. former congresswoman donna edwards, reed galen, thank you both very much for coming back to the sunday show. and, coming up. trump's on the stand, after donald trump testifies tomorrow, his daughter of anchor is set to take the stand wednesday. in her father's to under 50 million dollar civil fraud trial in new york city. we will discuss just how much of a risk her testimony poses to the imperiled trump empire. to the imperiled trump empire. to the imperiled trump empire. the chase ink business premier card is made for people like sam, who make- everyday products, designed smarter. like a smart coffee grinder, that orders fresh beans for you. oh, genius! for more breakthroughs like that- i need a breakthrough card. like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more. plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases. and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas- a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours. oh... stuffed up again? 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can he act a fool on the stand the way he does in front of the mics outside the courtroom? >> well, he does have moments of lucidity. so, if he chooses to testify, as opposed to taking the fifth amendment, because as you said earlier, he has four criminal indictments in four jurisdictions, and anything he says during this testimony can and will be used against him. assuming he does not take the fifth and he testifies, he can be lucid. he might decide, because it's just a judge trial and a judge he has a score, it'd to act like he does in front of the cameras when he gets out of the courtroom. that would not be a good decision, because he is going to appeal, if you found liable, he is going to appeal -- that found that his business certificates should be canceled. so, an appellate court will read his testimony and if he acts the fool, that's not going to look good for him on appeal if you were to lose this case. so, he would be wise just to find that moment of lucidity that he can bring and testify like a grown-up. >> okay, so what happens if he does act a fool on the stand? what does the judge do? does he let him keep doing it, or does he sanction him? what could possibly happen to him? >> well, there is acting a fool where your contemptuous and it's just not answering questions appropriately, i, mean his younger son eric trump was very combative. but he wasn't contemptuous, so there is that line. donald trump can be combative, he can be smart alecky, but there's that -- as long as he's not disrespectful to the court or the process. if he is, yes. the judge has stopped -- other judges have done this in cases where witnesses who just lost control don't answer questions. the judge can stop, and then give a warning. and you are going to be held in contempt. remember, donald trump has already violated in less than a month, a very limited gag order that the judge imposed. and was fined $15,000. >> on that gag order, is it unusual for lawyers to be put under a gag order? because that's what has happened to trump's lawyers. >> yes. for this particular reason, these lawyers were put on a gag order to stop talking about the judges clerk. it's shocking to me and other new york state court practitioners. if you are familiar with new york state courts, you know that judges, particularly on the civil side, rely heavenly on their law clerks. the law clerks sit up on the bench with them, the law clerks talk to them during the trial, during the proceedings. the law clerks often assist the judges in settling cases. so these particular lawyers are bothered by the fact that this judge uses his law clerk in that way, it shows me that they have probably not been in front of many new york state court judges. and so it is unusual, their behavior. so it's unusual that the judge would have to issue this gag order, to tell him to stop. leave my loch lloyd alone. >> so, another person who were all watching to testify this week is a vodka. she's due to testify on wednesday. what are you expecting to hear from her? >> well, the reason why the attorney general lawyers are calling her is the same reason why they called her brothers. so, she can confirm, under oath, facts that she can't tonight. her brothers chose to deny certain facts, and then the attorney general just pulled out, is that your signature on this financial statement? here's an email of someone who said they discussed it with. you here's deposition testimony. so, if ivanka trump chooses to go the way her brothers did, they're going to do the same thing. every question she is going to be asked by the attorney general, the attorney general's lawyers already know the answer to. because this is a documents case. the evidence in this case are in the financial statements, or in the business records, are in the insurance allegations. so that's the proof of this case. and she's being called to basically be confronted with these documents, and prior statements. >> and so then, given that, is ivanka's testimony more important to watch next week, then her father's tomorrow? >> well, the sideshow aspect will obviously be her father. but her, it will be very important. because what will she say? now, it is true that she went with her father to the white house during the period that her brothers and allen weisselberg were in control of the trump organization. but, there are allegations that even when she was in the white house, she still had her hands involved in some deals. those involving the organization. it will be interesting what her answer is going to be about that. >> yeah. much to look forward to in that trial next week. catherine christian, thank you so much for coming to the sunday show. and that will do it for me today. thank you for watching the sunday show, i'll be back next saturday and sunday at 9 am eastern. remember to follow us on acts, the platform formally known as twitter, instagram, and tiktok, using the handle at weekend key part. don't go anywhere, my friend ali velshi is next with the latest. latest. s that? cole: this puppy! woman: cancer. it's different in a child. because your child is still growing. charlie: i had 14 rounds of chemo. there's thousands and thousands of kids all over the world who need help. girl: it is my first time having cancer. and it's the very worst. spokesman: saint jude children's research hospital works day after day to find cures and save the lives of children with cancer and other life threatening diseases. woman: it's scary to watch your kid battle and fight for their lives. spokesman: 1 in 5 children diagnosed with cancer in the us will not survive. woman: childhood cancer is hard. it's a long road. you just have to give. you have to give someone that hope. and especially with them being so young. spokesman: please, call, go on line, or scan the qr code for only $19 a month. families never receive a bill from saint jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food, so they can focus on helping their child live. man: she grew up in this. so when we go to st. jude, she's happy, because that's her home. every time i take her to the doctor, she's excited because she gets to play. and that's all because of saint jude. spokesman: when you call or go online with your credit or debit card right now, we'll send you this saint jude t-shirt you can wear to show your support to help saint jude save the lives of these children. woman: [non-english speech] spokesman: let's cure childhood cancer together. >> good morning to you. it is sunday, november the 5th. we begin this morning with breaking news out of the middle east. the united states secretary of state antony blinken made an unannounced visit to the occupied west bank this morning, to meet with the palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas. according to a boss's