we also need to be focused on the day after, and so in conversations that we'll be having through the course of this weekend, i expect you'll see a focus there and particularly how we can get over time to two states for two peoples, which in our judgment remains the best guarantor and maybe the only guarantor of a secure jewish and democratic israel and palestinians with the state that they're entitled to. so these will be the things that we're focused on. these are challenging times. these are intensely difficult issues, but i am convinced that american diplomacy can make a difference in moving everyone to a better place. that's what we'll be working to do. >> thank you, mr. secretary. do you assess that israel has shown restraint up to this point, and what are the concrete steps you'll be pushing them on? and are you confident you'll actually be able to get them to make any movement on this given the maximalist positions we've seen? >> as has been said and it's important, israel has the right and obligation to defend itself, and again, to try to make sure that what happened never happens again. no country, no country, not the united states, not anyone else that i can think of would tolerate the slaughter of civilians, so we stand behind that, and we stand behind the proposition. as democracies, the united states, israel, other democracies have a responsibility to do everything possible to protect civilians who may be caught in harm's way, and this, again s a cross fire quite literally of hamas's making. the fact that it cynically and monstrously, deliberately has people, men, women, and children as human shields puts its command post, puts its leadership, puts its fighters, puts its weapons, puts its munitions underneath its hospitals or even inside them. schools, mosques, makes this incredibly challenging, but we have to rise to that responsibility. we will be talking about concrete steps that can and should be taken to minimize harm to men, women, and children in gaza and this is something that the united states is committed to. i'm not going to get into the details here but it's very much on the agenda. when i see a palestinian child, a boy, a girl, pulled from the rubble of a collapsed building, that hits me in the gut as much as seeing a child in israel or anywhere else. so this is something that we have an obligation to respond to, and we will. >> thank you, i wonder if we could get your assessment of the current risk of the spillover in the conflict. today hezbollah said they've attacked 19 posts on israel's border with lebanon. while you're in the region, how do you expect to be able to get other countries in the region involved in sort of the day after plan that you're talking about when, you know, there's rising opposition, rising protests against israel against bahrain and jordanians put out their ambassadors. >> we are determined to prevent escalation on any of these fronts, whether it's lebanon and northern israel, southern lebanon. whether it's the west bank, whether it's anywhere else in the region. the president's been very clear in what he's said publicly. we've been very clear in what we've shared privately. we've been very clear that we are determined to deter any escalation, so with our partners as well, we're making sure that that message gets through. it's not in anyone's interest, not in anyone's interests for this to escalate, and i think some of the other parties involved recognize that. we're going to work on that every single day. >> happening though, strikes already taking place? >> what we've seen so far are discreet attacks. we've responded as necessary, and including on our forces. our forces who are in the region in syria and iraq to prevent the resurgence of isil, which also should be in everyone's interests. you saw the actions we took in response to that. we're determined to prevent escalation, and we're taking necessary steps to try to make sure that happens. with regard to what comes next, again, i think understandably people are very focused on the day of, not just the day after, but we do have to have conversations now about how we can best set the conditions for a durable sustainable peace, durable sustainable security for israelis and palestinians alike. so i expect that those are conversations that will have an opportunity to pursue over the next couple of days. this is a long-term effort, but we have to make sure we're focused on it now. thanks, thanks, everyone. >> that is secretary of state antony blinken about to board a plane to tel aviv, going into what he perhaps understates as an intensely difficult situation, militarily for israel, obviously, certainly diplomatically, which is where he is the key figure and the humanitarian crisis that counties to escalate. i want to bring in nbc's andrea mitchell, chief foreign affairs correspondent, and of course my colleague here on msnbc. andrea, that first question which gets to the heart of what is going on in places all around the world, the concern for the ongoing attacks by israel that are killing civilians and he said of course israel has a right to defend itself. but as the president has said in the past, they also have a responsibility to defend civilians. talk about the complexity of the diplomatic situation he is going into over the next several days, andrea. >> it is so complex. remember the last time he was going with the president to israel and jordan, the jordan part of that, the arab summit in jordan got canceled because of the bombing of the hospital, and erroneous reporting not on our network but in newspapers and on wire services and other networks that the hamas claims of 500 people being killed and that it came from israel were disputed later by intelligence both in israel and the u.s., that it was not from israel and it was not 500 people. although any deaths are terrible. but in any case, the balancing act is just excruciating for the white house, for the administration, for israel, and what he is saying today is that the first thing israel has the right to defend itself. there was a new threat from hamas from a spokesman today to wipe israel off the face of the earth, but he said at the same time israel is a democracy like the united states is, and they have to balance that with the need to protect civilian lives, and he will be speaking about that as well as speaking about the need to get humanitarian aid in and to get a better flow of civilians out. it's been a trickle a little bit more today. the president just said it was 74 dual citizens so people with u.s. citizenship as well included in that. but this is so tough. until now the war cabinet and the prime minister have not really been listening according to all my reporting, first of all, not letting the fuel in, and also not targeting their strikes, the air strikes have not at all been targeted. you've seen the size of the craters, and ironically, a ground invasion is actually, according to military experts i've been speaking to and intelligence experts, u.s. here who say that a ground invasion, as tough as it is on both sides because of israeli casualties is better than these air strikes with bunker bombs, enormous craters, wiping out whole parts of refugee camp for a community because at least israel says that there's a command in control of hamas center, a terrorist hub in the tunnels underneath. chris. >> andrea mitchell, thank you so much for that, and we're going to have much more on the situation on the ground in gaza including what we expect to be the release of many americans coming up very shortly. now to a pair of major legal developments underway right now involving donald trump. one with extraordinary personal implications, the other with extraordinary political implications. in the new york civil fraud trial, it's eric trump who's now taken the stand following several hours of testimony from his brother don jr. a lot of that testimony centered on his argument that any exaggerations or errors that appeared on the company's financial documents weren't his fault. here's what trump jr. said just a short time ago outside the courthouse. >> before even having a day in court, i'm apparently guilty of fraud for relying on my accountants to do, wait for it, accounting. i mean, think about that. what does that do for literally any other business? you pay experts millions of dollars to be experts. you sign off on what they give you, and you're liable. we made hundreds of millions of dollars. if this was to become precedent where you could have an overzealous attorney general, this city would be in worse shape than it is today because even would be driven elsewhere. so it's a sad -- it's a sad thing. >> but one potential problem for what he's saying is that in at least one o those annual fincial statements, there was language saying that the trustees -- and that included him, don jr., that they were, quote, responsible for those documents. meantime, halfway across the country, two other court hearings are taking place, both with the potential to undercut trump's bid to return to the white house. in colorado and minnesota, lawsuits are being heard today arguing that trump incited an insurrection triggering a clause in the constitution that should disqualify him from running for president again. trump's legal team pushing back. >> we would say that what happened on january 6th was crimes, some of them serious, was violence, some of them serious, but that it did not reach the scale or scope of what would be regarded as an insurrection. >> msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin just left the court he or she. she joins me now, joyce vance, law professor at the university of alabama and an msnbc legal analyst. tim miller is a writer at large for "the bulwark." lisa, what's latest? what stood out to you today? >>. >> reporter: what stood out to me today, chris s sort of the tale of two brothers because we think of don jr. and eric as a pair, but really both temperamentally and otherwise, boy that you would not be more different in their approaches to testimony today. you noted earlier that don jr. on the stand principally deflected, denied responsibility, and put it all on the accountants and lawyers who guided him. he is a person who over the course of his life has been used to outsourcing things to other people, but the problem is as an officer of the company and particularly as a trustee of his father's trust, there has to be a place where the buck stopped, and when his father was president, the buck stopped with he and allen weisselberg as the co-trustees of the trust in which all the trump organization assets were put. notwithstanding that, his direct examination by the new york attorney general was relatively pleasant and easy. that doesn't mean it wasn't damning. it got a lot of admissions from him that could support an argument that donald trump jr., even if he didn't intentionally deceive others was so reckless as to have intentionally defrauded banks and their accountants and other financial institutions and insurance companies and the like. eric on the other hand, when he took the stand, has been combative from the start. he doesn't want to give an inch. he didn't even want to admit that in 2012 he understood his father even had statements of financial condition, and so the attorney general is really working hard to establish that eric understood that they sent their financial statements to other people outside the company who relied upon them, whether that's members of a golf club in north carolina that the trumps purchased in 2012 or to banks and others. when eric was about to get off the stand, he finally showed a flash of trumpian anger and basically said, of course we have financial statements . we're a major corporation. he's been calm and collected if not particularly generous in his testimony so far, chris. >> that brings me to an old saying, which i don't know if it's always true, but ignorance of the law is no defense. look, so here's what don jr. said. we depended on them. we paid them a lot of money. we counted on them to do thi well. then one of t accountants going back toar october when he testified said the trump organization was notivin us all the documents that we needed, explaining that there were certain app out there for a number of years that we had never seen. he said we didn't screw it up , the trump organization made a mistake, and we didn't catch it. where legally, joyce, does the buck stop? >> right, so the buck the judge has already decided stopped with the trump organization and with the individual defendants because he's already ruled that fraud took place. what's going on now and it's interesting that donald trump jr. tries to couch this in the language of criminal law saying i'm not guilty, you know, i didn't commit a fraud. that's not what this case is about. this is about whether or not the books were cooked. fake numbers were used to obtain insurance or loans or other financial benefits in ways that violate new york's law against corporate fraud. that decision has been made. the question is how much profit the trumps are going to have to discourage because of their misdealing. nothing they've said today does anything to suggest that the judge shouldn't go to the upper edge of what the attorney general is asking for which is $250 million. >> let's say, tim, that all those people who voted for donald trump because they truly believed that he was going to make this country a better place for folks who feel they've been getting the short end of the stick financially, that this has been either the result of some activity that was fraudulent or just outright a lie, does it matter in the end politically? >> i don't know if at this point this civil case in particular matters all that much politically. i do think that it is another piece of evidence that donald trump has perpetrated a fraud throughout his entire life. there are a lot of other instances, he's actually involved in another civil case right now where there are real individuals who are victims who are part of an mlm scheme that donald trump was perpetrating where he got them to sign up for this product that was another fraud basically and the people that signed up lost their savings. i think stories like that are the types of things, assuming he's the republican nominee, that democrats need to be talking about in this campaign to try to peel people off. you know, there are going to be certain people for whom the anti-democracy thing is the top issue or abortion is the top issue. there are other working class folks, i think, that have suffered because of donald trump, and i think that democrats can't forget to carry that message against him. and when they do, being convicted of fraud is certainly a piece of evidence that helps. >> we were expecting to hear from all the key players, right? we were expecting to hear from the two brothers, which we have. donald trump himself, but also ivanka trump, even though she was removed essentially, right, from this suit. now we find out that she filed to not have to testify at all. what do those court documents tell us, and what are the chances she'll get out of it? >> i don't think that she'll -- i don't think she'll get out of it despite the fact that she's appealed judge arthur's decision. she was an employee of the trump skporpgs its component parts during many of the years at issue of this suit. she has firsthand knowledge of representations made to financial institutions, in particular she was involved in the negotiation of the old post office loan. the old post office is of course where the trump international hotel in d.c. was. that was like the unofficial clubhouse of the trump administration when donald trump was president. so i think ivanka will be forced to testify, but, as you note, she is not going to be individually responsible here and that distinguishes her from her brothers, even if functionally she played a similar role at the time she was an employee. >> not a small distinction, however. okay, so joyce, then you have these hearings that could decide whether trump stays on the ballot in colorado and minnesota. colorado's hearing is ongoing in front of a judge who in fact ruled yesterday it should go forward. but in minnesota, it's in front of the state supreme court. what do we need to know about these cases, how quickly do you think we might get an answer on them? >> right, these are two very different proceedings because in minnesota, the chief justice, lori gilday issued an order saying that the court wanted to consider whether there were legal reasons that would prevent the proceedings from going forward. it seems very likely that they will short circuit this effort to keep trump off the minnesota ballot based on questions this morning. in colorado, though, we're in the trial stage, and the judge is taking evidence to try to determine whether under the 14th amendment trump should be prohibited from staying on the ballot because he participated in an insurrection after taking an oath to uphold the constitution. so they've teed up that fact issue there, which turns on a number of different highly technical legal distinctions including whether or not the president is an officer of the united states. questions that might sound benign to us, but that have a lot of legal content that the court is in the process of trying to unpack. ultimately, of course, the legal questions face the larger political context of whether the people should have the opportunity to decide whether or not donald trump should be president again or whether he's legally disqualified by events on january 6th and his conduct during the 2020 election. >> and tim, that's exactly the argument, at least the first part of that that many of his supporters are making, which is this isn't a decision for the courts to make. let the people in those states decide who they want to vote for, and in fact, these are both blue states. they voted for biden in 2020, so what are the political ramifications as you see them? let's say somehow -- and i think most people, the lawyers here can nod if they agree -- think these are long shots potentially, but what are the implications here, do you see? >> yeah, chris, i hate it when you put me in the position to agree with the trump lawyers. i try not to have that happen as much as possible. in this case, i think there was an opportunity to prevent trump from being on the ballot in 2024. and that was the republican senate's obligation, when the house impeached him after january 6th over the insurrection, had two-thirds of the senate voted to convict, he would have been legally barred from running. that required 17 republicans, only 7 did it. i think it is to the shame of every republican that did not vote to convict in what was a very obvious impeachment in my opinion. once that happened, once he was acquitted, whatever term you want to use by the senate, then, you know, i think this now becomes up to the people. we have a supreme court that is 6-3, republican appointees. i find it very hard to believe they're going to disqualify him at this late of date. he's winning the republican in a landslide. i think we're going to have to beat donald trump the old fashioned way. >> tim miller with my apologies, thank you -- go ahead, i'm sorry, did one of you want to make a quick comment on that? 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>> reporter: that's right, he is a member of the political committee in gaza for hamas. he's also a spokesperson, and he's actually here in beirut at this moment. we managed to sit down with him following those incendiary comments he made on lebanese television just a week ago where he said that there would be a second, a third, a fourth october 7th, what they call the al-aqsa flood, that's the operation's name. i asked him, what does that mean for the people of gaza, and why should the israelis trust their calls for a humanitarian cease fire in they're planning on continuing to attack? here's what he told me. >> but how can you ask for a cease fire, how can you ask for israel to stop their aggression when you go on television in lebanon here last week and say that you will continue your aggression, you will continue october 7th -- >> what do you want us to do? to stop? >> if you're asking for a cease fire. if you're asking for a cease fire, it has to be two ways. >> i am talking continue occupation. this is our leader to fight against -- it is according to international law. according to all the -- in europe you fight against the nazis. >> reporter: now he also told me that there may have been mistakes made when they were killing civilians, when hamas was killing civilians in israel. this was something that he didn't really seem to want to admit to. he basically said it is against islam to kill civilians, and i pressed him on that point too. it was clear as day to everybody who was watching on television and on social media that hamas, they uploaded their own videos of them doing this, that they had killed civilians. this is really something he didn't want to be drawn on. his main point, chris, was that, yes, hamas did this. they did it in the name of the people of the gaza strip, in the name of the palestinians. the palestinians have no real alternative to hamas. hamas is really the only one trying to fight against the israelis. the peace process has now been essentially rendered null and void. the palestinian authority, you know, in the west bank, which governs the west bank, they are essentially feckless at this point. they've not been able to stop the expansion of settlements in the west bank, so for him, hamas is doing god's work. it is the only one that is remitting the palestinian people, and if that requires more violence, which is what he told israeli television, they will continue to press that case. i also asked him, yes, there are civilians being killed in gaza. those are civilians that didn't necessarily vote for hamas. they didn't ask for this operation, and they almost certainly watched with dread as they saw the number of civilians who were killed in israel and they saw an expected and have now received an insane punishment from the israelis, a horrific punishment that is now coming on top of the civilians of the gaza strip, one that, you know, was nothing that they asked for. he told me essentially that this is war, that they have to continue to press this case, and they have to continue to do it with violence. so this really puts pain to the notion that hamas is not going to be interested in a peaceful reconciliation, even as they demand a humanitarian cease fire from the israelis. chris. >> we should differentiate between a cease fire and what the president, president biden is calling for now, which is a humanitarian pause as the situation gets more and more dire by the day as we outlined coing in to you. did you hear -- thinking sort of a split screen, we just saw secretary of state antony blinken getting on a plane, hoping to work some diplomatic channels to amp down the tensions there but also to open humanitarian corridors. was there anything you heard at all that suggested to you even a humanitarian pause is likely? >> reporter: from this official, he was calling for one. he was demanding that israel stop its aggression, and again, he wouldn't admit to the fact that this was a conflict that had started with hamas's attack on october 7th. and this is something we've been hearing from hamas and hezbollah officials constantly. history did not begin -- and the history of this conflict did not begin on october 7th. he reminded the israelis have been occupying the palestinian people for generations now, and that's why he was saying, you know, that we can't just -- we can't shoulder this blame ourselves. we, hamas. he's asking for some sort of humanitarian cease fire, some sort of pause, but he says also that he would be willing to free or hamas would be willing to free all the hostages currently in their position, and there's well more than 200, if there was a complete stop of all of the fighting, or all the israeli aggression as he called it, and if all the prisoners, palestinian prisoners that israel is now holding were set free. those are conditions that would make it very tough for the israelis to exceed to. so it's kind of hard to see those terms being adopted by either side. >> yeah, and i guess in the big picture, that is not going to happen. i don't know anyone who thinks that's going to happen, but at least in that case, they claim and no one should take hamas at their word, they're a terrorist organization, and you've heard in what he said that they are going to prosecute again and again and again. they have said here's the deal we're willing to make. what do they want? they're not going to just do a humanitarian pause by themselves, so what are they saying? how does that happen, as they see it? >> reporter: i mean, this was what he was saying that was sort of so remarkable and made it so hard to see him and to see hamas as a trustworthy partner in any negotiation with the israelis. he's at one side demanding a humanitarian cease fire, a humanitarian pause in president biden's words, while at the same time speaking in arabic on an arabic language channel here in lebanon saying they will continue twice, three times, four times, ad infinitum these attacks on israelis even if it means killing civilians, which, again, he said they never did deliberately. things got out of hand. they got complicated was the language he used. again -- and i pressed this on him -- how can the israelis, how can the international community see hamas as a reliable partner for peace? again, he went back into what he was saying before, that hamas, the palestinians are the victims. they shouldn't be the ones to have to shoulder the blame for what was happening, even the blame for what happened on october 7th. chris. >> an important interview, particularly right now, matt bradley, thank you for bringing it to us. we have some more breaking news. we just got this via our white house team. as of this morning, at least 79 americans and family members have exited through rafah crossing into egypt. five of them, we knew there were a number of who did it yesterday. five came on wednesday. 74 more of them so far today at least, at least, and they expect that number to grow. we knew from looking at the list obtained by nbc news that there were several hundred american names on that list, but at least it has begun. 79 americans who were desperate to get out of the increasingly dire conditions in gaza have now crossed over into egypt, and there is a belief here that there will be a continuing number of them who are able to leave. i want to bring in kavita me non, director of communications for doctors without borders. they are leaving a situation as you know so well, that is horrific, that is a humanitarian disaster. what is the latest you're hearing from doctors on the ground? >> first of all, it's very difficult to stay in touch with our colleagues on the ground. many of them are on the move all the time. the air strikes have really been relentless. but they are working around the clock as and when they can. they are describing pretty horrific scenes, really running out of words to describe how acute the humanitarian catastrophe is. you showed earlier in your reporting the attacks on are jabaliya refugee camp. that camp was attacked two days in a row. that camp is full of children, full of women. our nurse, you spoke to our nurse this week who, you know, they said dozens of patients came in really seriously injured at al shifa hospital, they treat the most serious cases. he describes children with very deep wounds, severe burns. many of them coming without their parents, you know, screaming in pain, and we don't have enough supplies to treat them. we don't have enough medicine. we don't have enough anesthetics. that's why doctors without borders is calling for a cease fire and not just humanitarian pauses. we really need a cease fire to protect civilians who are bearing the brunt of this war. >> as you're talking about some of the stories that are being told, one of your doctors described a 10-year-old boy who had burns over 60% of his body, and he had to be treated without any painkillers, without any anesthetic. it is almost impossible to even imagine the level of pain. but it's also hard to imagine what your doctors have been dealing with. how concerned are you, just to be honest, for them, obviously for their safety, but for their ability to keep going? >> we're really worried about them. i was just on a call about this this morning. we're very worried about our teams, about their physical safety and security. many of them are sheltering together in msf offices or at hospitals because those are supposed to be safe spaces. we have let the israeli defense force knows where we are. we are asking them to uphold international humanitarian law, which requires that hospitals must be protected so that people who are wounded, people who are sick can receive the care they need. so this is a big call to really spare hospitals, health officials, also refugee camps, schools, civilian areas should not be targeted even in times of war. we are making that ask also on behalf of our colleagues, our patients who are under fire every day. we, you know, many of our colleagues when we speak to them, when we are able to reach them on the phone, are barely able to speak. they say they don't have words to convey the horror of what they're seeing. we are worried about their mental health. they talk about really not sleeping. they're working around the clock. they're also looking after their families who are scared. so you know, kind of staying up all night comforting their children and going right back into work these really long hours seeing extreme situations and not having the means to even treat people as they deserve to be treated, you know, with dignity. they describe treating people on hospital floors. all the hospitals are overcrowded with patients inside as well as thousands, tens of thousands of people who are seeking refuge on hospital compounds. again, with the expectation that hospitals are safe places and they will be protected. so it's really, really an extreme situation that we're witnessing. it's one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes we've ever seen as doctors without borders. >> there's obviously an extraordinarily huge medical need, but i want to ask you about something else because a spokesperson for unicef -- i'm sorry, i brought this up with the israeli ambassador yesterday. that nowhere is safe, right? and you have these children, even the ones who are not injured, they are suffering in a way, losing parents, seeing war, there was a story of one unicef worker who said her own 4-year-old has turned to self-harm, is scratching herself until she bleeds. there is also an emerging and growing mental health crisis that is happening with these children. is there anything that can be done for these kids who are stuck in gaza right now? >>. >> i mean, that's the big question. we have more teams ready to go in when it's safe to work in gaza to reinforce our colleagues there. we have mental health programs. those have been disrupted right now because people in gaza have been facing -- they've been living under siege, under blockade for 16 years before this conflict started and now it's so extreme, the level of violence, the intense aerial bombardment. you see massive displacement, and i think people should remember when you -- these statistics seem kind of huge sometimes, more than 8,000 people killed and 20,000 people injured, and i think the last i saw was 1.4 million people displaced. the whole population of gaza is about 2.1 million people. half of those people are children. each of these statistics, this is a human being. this is a human life. we can't sit by and be complacent while this level of extreme violence is happening. you had the reporting earlier, andrea mitchell report pointed out that israel has been very firm about really not letting fuel supplies in. when they don't let fuel supplies in, hospitals, generators can't function, and we can't sustain life support, you know, we can't sustain incubators for the babies. like this has severe and much wider ramifications affecting all civilians in gaza. so there's been no effort to target the air strikes. andrea mitchell also mentioned that in the report. you've seen widespread indiscriminate attacks on densely populated civilian areas. that's not allowed. that's not okay. >> there is virtually no place in gaza not densely populated. it is one of the most densely populate on the face of the earth. kavita kenon, the extraordinary work continues. thank you for bringing that information to us, we really appreciate it. >> thank you so much. coming up, new reporting on how donald trump is going after ron desantis in the state they both call home. ey both call home s american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪ right now get a free footlong at subway. like the new deli heroes. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. it's a pretty big deal. kinda like me. order in the subway app today. this is spring semester at fairfield-suisun unified. they switched to google tools for education because there's never been a reported ransomware attack on a chromebook. now they're focused on learning knowing that their data is secure. 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is this donald trump just trying to sort of be in the face of ron desantis, or could it have some real implications? >> it has real implications. donald trump is up by maybe 30 points. some have 40 points over ron desantis, some put it at 20. donald trump is winning the state of florida. ron desantis, his campaign apparatus has lined up all the endorsements of the elected state legislators. as one republican legislator put it recently, i endorsed ron desantis because i had to, not because i wanted to. why did he have to? in florida the governor has a line item veto authority, and he threatened that, and he used that to get the state legislators in line. move to the congressional delegation where ron desantis can't control that and you see all the endorsements going over to donald trump. donald trump's campaign now is engaging in some traditional campaigning, last week before the republican jewish coalition, he announced that desantis's highest profile jewish endorsement had flipped to trump. this week before the freedom summit in florida, he's going to announce that several of these republican legislatures are backing trump. eventually they all will. trump's going to win florida and be the nominee. desantis seems to be the last one to realize that. >> we're learning today that rick scott, the florida senator endorsed trump over desantis. again, is this something that's going to move voters, or is this timed specifically by team trump, sort of as they make this move on florida? >> ahead of the freedom summit -- >> i'm sorry, david, go ahead. >> so ahead of the freedom summit, this is a timing move to announce rick scott's endorsement. does it move voters? not necessarily. the back story is that rick scott and ron desantis really, really dislike each other, so scott's endorsement was never in play for the governor. >> matt, earlier today on msnbc, ron desantis said he was still optimistic that he has a path to winning the republican nomination. i want to play a little bit of that from "morning joe." >> people are not locked in. i mean, that is very true, and in iowa, i don't think they're locking in. new hampshire, they're not locking in, so we're doing it. i'm not hoping for any type of special intervention. we're going to go win it by convining a plurality of the voters that we're the best choice. >> so matt, you know what's going on on the ground in those states. you know what the polls are. if desantis somehow strings together something at least close to a victory in iowa and new hampshire, does he have a path? does it change anything moving forward? does it blunt the impact of the inevitability of donald trump? >> a win of course would be huge. desantis for a while now has focused on iowa. he's moved his entire campaign apparatus from tallahassee where it had been headquartered up to iowa and done that focused on a top, the problem is as best we can tell it's not moving the needle. his campaign time and time again said campaign has said our internal numbers show better than iowa in public polling. we have a better sense of what's going on in the general public, the pundits and journalists. as best we can tell, trump has a commanding lead like he does elsewhere, like he does in florida. if desantis could pull off a victory, a close second in iowa, i think they could consider that a win. i don't think we're seeing the needle move in his direction, despite the fact he has spent millions of dollars and almost all of his time there in recent weeks and months. >> david, we're going to get early indications in next week's votes in 13 states, at least statewide votes in 13 states. key is virginia, where the legislature is at stake. former psident obama recorded a couple of robocalls, here's a clip. >> i'm calling to remind you that time is running out to cast your ballot in this year's eltion. the people we elect in the state senate and house of delegates will make decisions that affect your every day life. vote early now through november 4th. >> so obviously barack obama doesn't get into every race, why this one? >> well, because this is a critical off year election. first you do some message testing, what message resonates with democratic voters in this moment. you also are measuring intensity and enthusiasm. are democrats excited, are republicans more excited. chris, this is all about the post dobbs electoral environment. every election we have seen since the supreme court's decision on reproductive rights has had this wind at the back of democrats, particularly in places we didn't expect it or see it. that's why democrats are going all in this off year election. it appears the trend is their friend. that a post dobbs electoral environment helps democrats and they want to see if they can carry that into next november. up next, the rising fears of anti-semitism driving members of the jewish community to purchase guns. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. wching g reports" only on msnbc (♪ ♪) the walking tree is said to change its entire location in pursuit of sunlight (♪ ♪) where could reinvention take your business? 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